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4:00 PM
Well, too late to edit.
 
@Xeo I'm also still struggling
 
TIL: meatspin.com (extremely nsfw)
I can't stop listening to the music.
 
user142019
@DeadMG old.
 
@DeadMG Welcome to the Internet, granddad.
 
:7660912 Zero times
 
4:01 PM
nah
 
huh? A load of messages appeared before my message all of a sudden
 
I don't care about the gif, it was the music that surprised me
 
SO, fix the damn chat
 
user142019
 
cheers
 
who let tony at imgur again?
fucking chat log is full of his links to iamges
 
user142019
@doug65536 implementation-defined.
 
guys, is there something like std::set but more like boost irange? i.e. set operations on iranges or something?
 
user142019
Standard doesn't give a shit about warnings.
 
"You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)" is a song by British band Dead or Alive on their 1985 album Youthquake. The song was the first UK number-one hit by the Stock Aitken Waterman production trio. Released in November 1984, the record reached number one in March 1985, taking seventeen weeks to get there. In the US, it peaked at #11 in September of that year. The video was directed by Vaughan Arnell and Anthea Benton. The strings were based on Richard Wagner's classical piece Ride of the Valkyries. The song is in 4/4 time and in the key of F# minor. Appearances in popular media This s...
 
4:03 PM
@thecoshman lol
 
Boost.ICL maybe
 
like, irange(1,10).union(irange(12,13))...or something
@CatPlusPlus yeah that looks kinda like what I want
thanks :)
 
@doug65536 No, need. There is an implicit conversion to bool.
Chat is broken.
 
PS, is chat really broken right now? seems like there's hell of a delay
 
did the chat freeze
 
4:08 PM
This crap doesn't auto-refresh anymore.
 
it's the brokens for everyone else, seems fine to me.
 
oh, had to refresh
ffs
i've been missing all these important messages
 
@Xeo Not quite.
 
@melak47 I'll say, just refreshed and got the last 20 minutes of chat
 
Argh, fuck chat.
2
 
4:10 PM
@thecoshman and I got your ping before your message :S
 
@DeadMG oh you poor soul.
 
Now I refresh and it doesn't have my messages.
 
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Q: How to fix the Script Task code that downloads ticker price files from Yahoo and inserts into database?

StiflerBelow given SSIS script task takes in a ticker symbol and the date range you would like to get back and returns a CSV formatted download that can be used to extract the price history but it does not work and I have no idea why. Full information about this SSIS well-thought-out concept can be fou...

 
I need to use the transcript window for reading... Sigh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haven't you heard? This is how hugely popular websites should be run these days.
 
4:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes they'll come when they are ready
 
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Q: const vs non-const of container and its elements

WalterWith a container class, such as std::vector, there are two different concepts of constant-ness: that of the container (i.e. its size) and that of the elements. It seems that std::vector confuses these two, such that the following simple code won't compile: struct A { A(size_t n) : X(n) {} in...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ogonek has been compiling for over 30 min =/
 
@TonyTheLion close, must be a dupe
 
@Borgleader Woah, really? It only takes that only on my RPi. And uses a shitload of RAM and swaps like mad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damnit, that means I broke something.
 
4:13 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Facebook style deployment: throw the switch, cross your fingers, and if it doesn't work right away, well, no worries, they'll come back anyway. Even if they whine a bit.
 
@Borgleader What are you doing? Full build? Or regenerating the UCD?
Regening the UCD takes minutes on my year-old laptop. But not half an hour.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I ran "python scons.py dist"
 
Shouldn't take that long. Is it still building or running tests?
Wait, dist doesn't run tests, I think.
 
Oh it just finished
Wow that was retardedly long
 
Yes, it was.
How much RAM do you have?
512MB?
 
4:16 PM
hey, it's refreshing again
:D
 
I have 6Gb
 
@Borgleader 'that was retarded' FTFY come on now, no need for sloppy grammer
 
Then it should have no problem.
Weird.
Anyway, before I leave, he's the explanation behind that is_constructible weirdness I posted before chat went 🍌🍌.
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Q: Why does is_constructible claim something is constructible when it isn't?

R. Martinho FernandesThe following program, when compiled with either GCC 4.7 and clang 3.2, produces "1" as output. #include <type_traits> struct foo { template<typename T> foo(T) { static_assert(not std::is_same<int, T>(), "no ints please"); } }; #include <iostream> ...

 
oh sure, break chat again why don't you
 
Now I'm off to class.
 
4:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The funny thing is that this is worse than I've ever seen with Facebook.
It seems to stem from an incredible quantity of arrogance about how to deal with your users when you have 1.5m of them.
 
Anybody know any channels at webchat.freenode.net/ ? (sorry, my chat was not working before)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have fun
@user1690130 huh?
 
in PHP, 14 mins ago, by user1690130
PLEASE HELP. IS MY CHAT WORKING?
 
@webarto am I missing something?
 
@webarto yep, it works now :)
 
4:20 PM
@thecoshman No, this one fell out of the sky :)
@user1690130 Cool.
 
great, can it kindly clear it self away now then?
 
@webarto do you know any channels at webchat.freenode.net/ ?
 
@user1690130 what does that have to do with C++? i.e. why are you asking us here?
 
@cat @dead help! shit needs clearing up
 
what needs cleaning up?
 
4:22 PM
@thecoshman What
 
woah, that worked well :P general spam shit
any hoops, home time for me :D
see y'all
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Let' keep it real. How much of this room is devoted to C++? The site I posted is about programming. Do you know or no?
 
I'm surprised Luchian failed so hard on the vector constness question.
 
@DeadMG yes, because I'm a fountain of knowledge that rarely fails...
 
4:26 PM
@user1690130 i am devoted to c++ 4 life
 
@BartekBanachewicz good so i better only see C++ talk here
 
fucking fuck
 
"This is a programming blog" As seen on Stackoverflow.
 
I wrote complete answer to the question, which stfrabbit wrote just one part
he go 13, I got 1
FML
QQ
 
4:28 PM
@user1690130 There are thousands of channels on Freenode, so no, there's no list
 
user142019
LOL PHP.
 
@DeadMG: I meant to ask you yesterday. What are you using to do the Lexical/Semantic analysis of Wide?
 
@webarto "This is programming blog"? What?
 
Also repeating your question 100 times is not a good idea (tm)
 
@CatPlusPlus could you please name me a few?
i am wondering whta some are
 
user142019
4:29 PM
Dropbox is downloading 11k files. T_T
 
@user1690130 Can't you Google?
 
Googlin' be hard
Let's go annoy people
We'll protect those poor people on IRC and not tell you
 
i am wondering whta some are
 
@user1690130 We know, you already said that once.
What I'm saying is: can't you look it up on your own?
I mean, being able to do some research is an essential skill for a programmer.
 
@EtiennedeMartel i tried but to no avail. I was wondering if someone knew one easily off the top of their head that they would not mind sharing
It is a favor.
Like if you asked something that I knew, I would tell you.
 
4:32 PM
First result.
Your Google-fu sucks.
 
user142019
inb4 lmgtfy
 
@Zoidberg You're so late.
 
@EtiennedeMartel i have no fu. thanks
 
@user1690130 Then work on it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, I do'nt know what fu means. but i will try. I hope i find some at the gym today.
 
user142019
4:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I never gave fewer fucks.
 
@Zoidberg Again, if that was true, you wouldn't be telling me.
 
@user1690130 it's surprisingly hard to get help on any chat
 
@Borgleader Me, myself, and I.
 
I don't know about other chats but this one is not for helpdeskin
 
@user1690130 Generally, "FU" means "Fuck you". In this case, though, "Google-fu" is a play on "kung-fu", and refers to your ability to find information of search engines, most notably Google.
 
4:38 PM
@DeadMG You made your own parser?
 
@Borgleader That wheel isn't gonna reinvent itself.
 
LLVM and Clang are my only external dependencies.
 
You need your own parser to accept throw throw throw throw throw
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hey, the Bison parser can't be strongly typed (and also can't be a template and other such things).
 
@webarto Can't even be bothered to spell the city's name correctly. Typical.
 
4:39 PM
@DeadMG Isn't Bison a C lib?
 
Bison is a generator, it doesn't have a runtime
Generates self-contained parsers
 
Hm. Bash experts: is there a good way of defining an empty function? Just f() { ; } doesn’t work
 
What do you need an empty function for
f() { true; }
 
@EtiennedeMartel There is a C++ skeleton, but it's not much different.
 
at the moment I’m doing f() { echo -n; } but that feels stupid
 
4:40 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, I figured as much.
 
@EtiennedeMartel bison takes a --language argument. supported languages are C, C++, and Java
 
@EtiennedeMartel Whereas my parser is a template and involves a bunch of complex types like unique_ptr.
 
Parsec owns anyway
 
what I really need to do is fix up my analyzer.
 
@CatPlusPlus I’m building a file which can be of either of two formats (determined by a command line flag), and the individual file parts are built by methods called $method-do-something – and in some parts there’s nothing to be done
 
4:41 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Indian Asking Pattern
 
there's no reason I should be giving out code-generatable expression objects from a namespace reference.
 
@webarto ehehe
do you have an URL btw?
 
@KonradRudolph Instead of defining an empty function you could use true directly probably
 
@CatPlusPlus hum? how?
 
Functions in bash can't be empty AFAIR
Functions in bash can't be empty AFAIR
 
4:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus How? Just to clarify, I have these two methods for instance:
tsv-header() {
    head -n 1 "$2" | tr '\n' '	' >> "$1"
}

bam-header() { true; }
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can't view deleted questions because I don't have the rep, there is link somewhere in chat history but that is not working at the moment (search).
 
what about your browser history?
 
… and I call this elsewhere in my script via $method-header "$target" "$source"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's purged every 7 days or so, found it :) stackoverflow.com/questions/13801800/…
 
4:49 PM
@webarto nice one :)
fortunately we can still mark deleted qs as favourites
 
lol really?
 
hmmmm.
every semantic expression has a type, but not all of them have code-generatable values.
so I should tuple<codegen::expression, semantic::type>.
also I need to expand the type system so that it actually does things
that's good, right?
 
I don't care.
 
thanks
 
Xeo
5:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How so?
 
> In February 2012, ITV Studios America and HDFILMS officially announced their intention to produce a reimagining of Space: 1999, to be titled Space: 2099
Lol. And, cool.
 
Xeo
Interesting, while a question is being dupe-voted, it has a notice now: stackoverflow.com/q/14816409/500104
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this must be a java guy stackoverflow.com/a/14813458/893693
 
@Xeo: How did you find that rock you've been hiding under all week?
 
Hm. while read line reads at least one line, even when whatever it reads from is empty. Not cool.
 
5:10 PM
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Q: Automatic insertion of dupe-banner after just one close vote is vulnerable to abuse

Lightness Races in OrbitI see that the "close as duplicate" feature continues to undergo changes. Unfortunately, I must report negatively on this newest one. This time, it's that a banner is added to a question as soon as the very first dup-vote is cast: This just seems: Ripe for Abuse: you can vote for absolutely...

 
I take that back
 
user142019
The TV is crawling with popes.
 
@Zoidberg There's only one pope.
 
user142019
There have been popes in the past and the images shown are from when they were popes.
 
Did you know, I was Pope once?
 
user142019
5:17 PM
And you're still bad.
 
@Zoidberg My favorite was Rodrigo Borgia.
 
@Zoidberg You should be nicer to people, instead of insulting them all the time.
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Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 'scuse me for not having internet at home
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit neh.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit From you to him, that's extremely hypocritical.
 
5:26 PM
@DeadMG You missed all the fucking irony. Like, ALL of it.
 
maybe the next pope will be an age that actually makes sense
 
@TonyTheLion Dead?
@Xeo No.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not dead, but young and alive
 
Xeo
Then sincerely, fuck you. :3
 
@TonyTheLion Like a nice eight-year old boy perhaps. They already know the system.
@Xeo :D
 
Xeo
5:27 PM
@TonyTheLion Any young pope they might consider wouldn've gone old and grey by the time their voting finishes...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit offs
 
@Xeo home? sounds like a cave
 
Xeo
I'm not even sure how those voters make it out alive.
 
@Xeo oh
 
You mean.. the cardinals?
 
Xeo
5:27 PM
Whatever they're called.
 
user142019
 
user142019
Terripun.
 
it's aleph-null
or countable infinity
 
user142019
Aleph numbers represent the cardinalities of infinite sets.
 
user142019
5:32 PM
Døh.
 
> cardinalities
lol
 
user142019
I should be the new pope.
 
user142019
And the president of Earth.
 
nah
 
user142019
yah
 
5:34 PM
The prayer would be "Why not Zoidberg?"
 
you'd be like, "OMG! Suffering! must end! .... .... aaah, can't be bothered."
 
user142019
I would declare nuclear war with Mars.
 
and he'd say to the whole world: "You are bad and you should feel bad." only in Latin
 
"All advisers are sacked. I have nothing left to learn."
 
Et si male sentiat malum.
 
user142019
5:35 PM
I'd "forbid" sex without condoms and heterosexuality.
 
I'd feel weird having a lobster as pope
 
user142019
Except for the pope himself.
 
Right so you'd be restricting yourself to masturbation only for the remainder of your life.
 
lol
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he isn't restricting himself, nothing would change. :)
 
Given two nodes in a binary tree, is it guaranteed that for any two "consecutive" nodes, one is a parent of the other?
 
5:37 PM
true
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are non-Christians.
 
user142019
Problem solved.
 
Oh, so, as president of Earth, you would not rule over non-Christians?
 
user142019
As the pope.
 
user142019
I'll be both pope and president.
 
5:37 PM
@MooingDuck Depends how you define "consecutive".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit iterator++
 
@MooingDuck it depends on the meaning of consecutive, and how you're doing the search, breadth-first or depth-first
 
That is not a definition for "consecutive".
That is an application of it
 
@MooingDuck that could go breadth or depth, depending on implementation
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, right. is "in-order-traversal" the right term?
 
5:38 PM
possibly
 
whatever std::map does
 
std::map's underlying storage is implementation-defined
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh right. curses.
I'm bad at questions.
yeah, "in-order-traversal", where each "node" is an element of an ordered binary tree. Is that enough clarification?
 
Then I'd say "yes, it must be so"
 
Isn't std::map mostly a rb-tree?
 
5:41 PM
why am I on r/wtf
 
seriously, some gross shit
 
@bamboon probably, but it can really be any type of tree where each node has at most one element. (cannot have more than one element)
 
@KonradRudolph Ah, then yeah just do that function with true in it
 
stdlib needs a btree-kind-of-thing. And a vector with O(sqrt(N)) everything.
 
Stdlib needs better I/O, process management and filesystem routines
Fuck containers seriously we've got enough
 
@TonyTheLion You should try r/spacedicks
 
@CatPlusPlus Unsatisfied with std::tr2::filesystem?
 
@MooingDuck how can you build such a vector?
 
gah
process/filesystem doesn't belong in C++
 
5:45 PM
@AndreiTita I think you mean boost
 
@CatPlusPlus those too
 
@Borgleader I think it's pretty much the same.
 
user142019
Standard library needs to be Python's.
 
@bamboon it's vaguely-similar to deque, with variably sized blocks
 
user142019
PUT IN IT ALL THE THINGS!
 
5:45 PM
I think they're planning to do that
 
yum install boost-devel, they're header only, done. what's the problem? Why must everything inevitably be bundled into the language?
(ok, fine, filesystem is probably not header only. go away)
 
stackoverflow.com/q/14817446/1312672 someone should troll this guy by telling him to disable the plugin to fix the problem
 
@EdwardA do it
 
Imma get hated for it :(
So no ty
 
@AndreiTita I don't think tr2 was official, and I have no idea who implemented it.
 
5:47 PM
@EdwardA Why would we do your dirty work for you?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what belongs in C++?
 
@MooingDuck me.
@MooingDuck impl-agnostic stuff. streams are barely okay but we do need those of course for a fundamental interface with the three standard I/O/E interfaces
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so no vector?
 
i.e. I shouldn't have to be compiling my C++ to code on a platform that has processes and a hard disk for it to be compliant
@MooingDuck vector is impl-agnostic
@MooingDuck it can be defined in strictly abstract terms
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In C++ many of the headers are already optional, I fail to see the problem.
 
5:50 PM
@MooingDuck but once you start talking about computer processes you're fucked
 
@AndreiTita Comes down to I/O really
 
@MooingDuck I know you do
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, OS-agnostic?
 
@MooingDuck That's my point, really. You shouldn't even need an OS!
 
Fuck implementations with no processes
 
5:50 PM
@MooingDuck It's a language, not a PC platform.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fuck that platforms.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah
 
user142019
Albert Einstein: widely regarded as one of the smartest people ever to live. And he NEVER read internet comments.
 
user142019
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And clog.
 
5:51 PM
It has threads, there's no reason it shouldn't have processes
 
@Zoidberg +1
@DeadMG I already said E
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit cerr != clog.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The language is not the same as the standard library. The language doesn't care about OS at all.
 
@CatPlusPlus I was largely opposed to adding threads to C++11
@DeadMG they both end up on STDERR though
 
@AndreiTita the library is a quasi part of the langauge
 
5:51 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oic
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit only by default
 
@MooingDuck yes
 
it's because of that crossplatform crap C++ std lib sucks, comparing to C#/Python/J**a
 
user142019
IMO formatting and I/O should be separate.
 
@AndreiTita if only this were so
 
5:52 PM
Get a hold of the plugin and call the cops. — Edward A 2 mins ago
 
@Zoidberg Yes
 
there
 
user142019
Especially localization crap must be completely separated from I/O.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You were largely opposed to making stdlib useful
 
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Q: Is the C++ Standard Library part of the C++ Language?

Lightness Races in OrbitIs the C++ Standard Library part of the C++ Language? (note "language", not "standard"; both are, of course, part of the standard). If so, why? If not, why not? The answer to this question may differ across C++98, C++03 and C++0x. It's not subjective because it can be inferred from wording/req...

 
5:52 PM
anyway, I do think that the Standard Library should be extended
 
@CatPlusPlus No, I was largely opposed to the notion that you should be able to do everything, ever with just C++, the standard library, and your dick
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what if the library was split into two parts, required/agnostic, and optional/dependent?
 
I think C++ shouldn't be an ISO standard
 
user142019
I/O should deal with bytes.
 
I mean, not every platform is a desktop, but I do think that hosted/non-hosted is a fine enough distinction, and hosted probably does include threads/networking/etc by now.
 
5:53 PM
@MooingDuck well they do already have the notion of a freestanding implementation. That helps a bit.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit right
 
@MooingDuck What if we stopped caring about 0.1% of use cases
 
@Zoidberg It does.
 
And make the language actually better
 
@MooingDuck It's already optional on non-hosted implementations.
 
user142019
5:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I/O streams in C++ deal with strings and numbers and characters and crap.
 
user142019
It's terrible.
 
@DeadMG I was getting there yes :P
@Zoidberg IO streams are for formatting. Of course they deal with strings and numbers and such. streambuf (or something) is just bytes.
 
@CatPlusPlus ...and come up with something like D?
 
I/O streams are badly defined
 
user142019
They shouldn't be for formatting.
 
user142019
5:54 PM
It's bad.
 
@AndreiTita The largest problem with D is tooling support
 
@AndreiTita D is terrible.
 
user142019
Do one thing and do it well.
 
@Zoidberg the streams do. I/O doesn't.
 
user142019
Don't do 23437892423424243 things terribly.
 
5:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus Something like that, yes.
 
IOstreams is poor I/O framework and poor serialisation framework merged into one
 
@Zoidberg streambuffs are for byte IO. something else does the formatting. The only thing streams do is syntactic sugar. They don't even do one thing, they don't do anything
 
It needs separation of concerns at the very least
 
Isn't linking websites in SO questions against the rules?
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Q: Subdomain ignoring margins from linked stylesheet?

user2062190I am having a problem which I haven't run into before. I am working on a site http://recruitingprocessanalytics.redbranchmedia.com and when a user clicks to log in, it redirects to a subdomain http://app.recruitingprocessanalytics.com/. The subdomain is using the stylesheet from the main site. Th...

 
(but yes, they need replacement)
 
user142019
5:56 PM
@EdwardA //care
 
user142019
If it's good information for programmers it's ok IMO.
 
user142019
Don't ever delete good information. It's idiotic.
 
@EdwardA no
 
user142019
Only delete bad information.
 
@DeadMG Competition? :D
 
5:57 PM
I'd like to see something like Haskell's pipes in C++
 
In other news:
This notification was generated for feedback item: "Cannot specialize variadic template functions" which you submitted at the Microsoft Connect site.
Hi: this issue has been fixed and the fix should show up in the next release of Visual C++
 
user142019
I'd like to see something like Haskell instead of C++.
 
Yeah there's that
 
@AndreiTita I'm not afraid of competition with D, because D sucks.
 
(But seriously pipes are awesome)
Bytheway Zoidberg, have you thought about that new project I told you about :p
 
user142019
5:59 PM
Never used them.
 
user142019
Time to learn something today.
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus yes.
 
user142019
But I haven't worked on it.
 

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