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1:00 PM
I don't mind you correcting my answers.
 
ah Robot
have you arrived at your destination?
 
I'm at the airport in Lisbon, still waiting.
Flight was scheduled for 15:25, but it seems it's 15 minutes late
 
@BartekBanachewicz my mother always googles for "google". it thought it was silly until i understood that that way she got the google menus up at top of web page. she's not interested in why or how it works, it's just a magic incantation, a fixed procedure.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf "normal" people don't use computers the way we do. I recently was stunned by that, too
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf people learn some odd ways of doing things, and seem to really like their 'solution'
 
1:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right
@BartekBanachewicz there's truth in that. People that don't understand all the intricacies we understand about computers, tend to use them in different ways to what we would do.
 
well it's often quite baffling
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's mostly, the learn a way to use it, and fear risking to learn a better way
 
Oh look, I've found either Cat++ or sbi's pet d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5460685_460s.jpg
 
@thecoshman right.
 
1:10 PM
@thecoshman it reminds me of this XKCD about colorful dots on the screen
 
@BartekBanachewicz Very Very Grumpy Old Cat
 
"I've been pressing keys in some strange order to make the dots light the way I want - and now? - they don't want to - try pressing more keys"
 
Xeo
Great. Monday 11 a.m.
 
niiiiccccccceeeeeeeee
 
@Xeo what?
 
Xeo
1:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Personal interview with those Funatics guys
 
Wedding Ceremony?
 
Xeo
And they even pay for the travel expenses
 
@Xeo That is remarkable
 
that's unheard of (speaking of junior position, if you're still applying for that)
 
Xeo
Indeed
 
1:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz my travel expenses were paid in my last two interviews, I'm a junior dev
 
Xeo
Wait, the job description didn't even say "junior" :) It's just "Software developer C++"
 
@sehe Why is it remarkable?
 
@Xeo so it's normal position. good.
 
a new meme is born :P
 
1:14 PM
@DeadMG where's the impact font?
 
spent a little while trying to think of what the caption should be
@BartekBanachewicz where's the what now?
 
pffffffff
this thing I'm working on is complicated
 
@DeadMG the font used in memes is called "Impact"
 
so I see
 
1:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That doesn't usually happens on job interviews, at least not where I live :)
 
You changed nothing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bolder font.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes He changed the font
 
1:18 PM
no, I edited
originally, I forgot to save over the changes and uploaded the same file twice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this is how re-catcha works
 
then I fixed it
 
I get kinda annoyed how many times Kevlin Henney's keynote get's linked on twitter, as if it news every freaking time...: twitter.com/QConSF/status/251294944457814016
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you saying we're not normal? The technical term for those people is "muggles" not "normal people".
 
@thecoshman catcha captcha!
 
1:19 PM
anyways, I'm fairly happy with my new meme
 
It is trivial to generate graphics from a C++ console application regardless of system, e.g. SVG. I can only conclude that the people who have so far commented, are not entirely competent. And that that goes in particular for those who, in their ignorance, chose to close the question. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 1 min ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes made me laugh :)
 
^ Needs 4 more votes to re-open.
 
@sehe meh, it works just as well for priates
@DeadMG one mans post does not a meme make
 
@thecoshman It does if I post it enough times!
 
1:21 PM
can i do image search in google with file uploaded from disk or I have to upload it elsewhere?
 
@DeadMG New meme: Annoying puppy guy.
 
whatever. bah, no 3840x1200 -.-
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes awww
but I'm not an annoying puppy guy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not new
 
@DeadMG You would be if you kept posting your "new meme".
 
1:25 PM
oh come on, I only posted it once, and then once more for a suggested change.
and hey, you can't post my dog with that caption, she hasn't done anything
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what shall we call this meme? Scumbag puppy?
 
Well it would have been nice if someone had helped re-open that question, so that maybe the OP as well the commenters could have learned some fundamentals. But OK. That's not SO.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf what are you talking about?
 
It is trivial to generate graphics from a C++ console application regardless of system, e.g. SVG. I can only conclude that the people who have so far commented, are not entirely competent. And that that goes in particular for those who, in their ignorance, chose to close the question. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 8 mins ago
 
@DeadMG who's foot is that in the picture?
 
1:27 PM
@TonyTheLion My sister's.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I call your picture of my dog and I raise another picture of my dog
 
@TonyTheLion "Annoying puppy guy"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes WTF is that around his neck @DeadMG
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Douchebag puppy
 
1:28 PM
 
awwwww
 
@thecoshman A dog collar?
 
@thecoshman Her, and it's a bark collar.
she likes to bark, we don't like her to bark
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in particular a shock collar
 
in theory, when she barks, it sprays some kind of lemon scented mist, which she can't stand
but instead of simply not barking, now she simply doesn't bark when it's on
 
1:29 PM
@thecoshman It's calling a training collar.
@DeadMG lol
She's smart.
 
@DeadMG oh, I thought it was one of those electric shock collars
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
@thecoshman Illegal, I believe.
 
who keeps a dog if they don't like barking?!
 
@DeadMG as far as I know, not. They damn well should be though, or better yet, rammed up the ass of people who use them
 
if you keep a dog, you should know it will bark
that's what dogs do
 
1:31 PM
@DeadMG Wikipedia says they're illegal in Wales.
 
If you don't like dogs, then keep a unicorn.
they don't bark
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow! They must make then very big!
 
I'd figging love to own a unicorn
 
or a plant. I love mine. It's kind of rare, and I managed to save it from nearly-frozen state
 
you can own one, in your own fantasy world
I suck at keeping plants
they all die
 
1:33 PM
@MartinJames Not sure if joking, or if missed the point.
 
@TonyTheLion Not all of them. Our previous dog practically never barked.
you guys want some more cute puppy pictures?
 
@DeadMG oh
 
Yeah, not all dogs bark much.
 
@DeadMG no
 
@DeadMG yes
@thecoshman shush you
 
1:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I misread it briefly as 'Whales' <g>
 
We've actually had to teach some of our hunting dogs to bark.
 
hang on, let me rotate it
 
for some reason the iPhone pictures are always rotated
 
@TonyTheLion I speak my mind
 
1:34 PM
well, admittedly, before we had our small Doberman Pincher, a I remember days of quiet even with dogs in the house
 
I'm trying to compile an exercise program from book, but it's causing segfault: pastie.org/4829614
 
@MartinJames face palm
@DeadMG eye-phone, case solved
 
@galymzhan The v vector is empty.
 
Is it because of not using back_inserter(v.end()) ?
 
@galymzhan Exactly.
 
1:36 PM
What if v had , say, 1 element?
 
You could use std::copy to copy one element to it.
The "normal" iterators never make the vector grow.
 
wow, Outspoken badge
 
you need growing iterators
 
back_inserter returns an iterator adaptor, not a plain iterator, right?
 
1:37 PM
@galymzhan good for you :D
@DeadMG by any chance, is that her towel?
you also seem to have the same couch as me :D
 
@thecoshman Well, of course, it's owned by my parents. But we do refer to it as her towel.
 
@DeadMG Post on r/aww, gets tons of karma.
 
@galymzhan Yes, something like it. It returns an iterator that uses push_back.
 
by the way, I took these about two minutes ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes r/ being reddit?
 
1:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes. Internet Points are important :P
@DeadMG yes
 
@DeadMG well I hardly thought your dog was able to hold down a job long enough to earn the money to go to shops and buy the towel
 
@DeadMG Yes.
 
@thecoshman lol
 
well, I won't spam up the chat with any more puppy pictures
 
@DeadMG he is only 26 or something like that
 
1:39 PM
mostly because I only took three and the third sucked
 
@DeadMG thank you!
 
@DeadMG lol. IOW, you would if you could ;)
 
technically, what's the difference between cast and convert?
or is there no difference?
 
the Robot has no idea?
 
1:40 PM
I just toss the terms out as they come.
 
@TonyTheLion To my mind, converting is something you're supposed to do, whereas casting is more of a "Fuck you type system, do as I say!"
but the distinction is hardly formalized
@R.MartinhoFernandes Naw, there's a limit to how much cute puppyness anyone can take in any given day
 
@TonyTheLion convert actually does something, such as converting from Celsius to Fahrenheit, casting is just treating the raw value of one thing as a different thing, so 10C is not 10F
 
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Q: Is casting the same thing as converting?

rp.In Jesse Liberty's Learning C# book, he says "Objects of one type can be converted into objects of another type. This is called casting." If you investigate the IL generated from the code below, you can clearly see that the casted assignment isn't doing the same thing as the converted assignment...

this is .NET though
but I'm guessing it's similar in C++
 
Seriously, you'll find lots of contradicting, ambiguous, and inconsistent definitions.
 
1:42 PM
oh, are we talking in technical programming terms rather then in terms of word meanins
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes meh
@thecoshman yes of course
 
static_cast<int>(4.5) is technically a conversion, but uses the cast operator.
So... it's all wishy-washy.
 
@TonyTheLion how silly of me, thinking we would actually talk about programming in here of all palces
 
I believe the standard calls everything a conversion.
 
@thecoshman Our dog is just annoying to work with. Couple months ago, he ate half-a-box of packing peanuts and the anti-static bag, but complely rejected the board inside. Even our dog hates my firmware:(
 
1:43 PM
But some people like to make a distinction somewhere.
 
@MartinJames o_0
 
Xeo
... screw the Deutsche Bahn
 
That's a train?
 
Xeo
It's the train company of Germany
 
Ah, right.
What's wrong?
 
Xeo
1:45 PM
I wanted to pay for the tickets with debit, but I need a special code to enable that for my account
 
Poor you.
 
@Xeo so it's your bank you are pissed at
stop ragging on the trains
 
@MooingDuck Testing, testing
... Oh, he's not here.
 
woah, the English word cast has a lot of definitions.
 
I just make virtual cards everywhere, so I don't have trouble with "not accepting X type of card".
 
Xeo
1:46 PM
@thecoshman No, the DB needs that code
 
Well, that's just unfortunate. I figured out what the LNK2019 error originated from.
 
@TonyTheLion a lot of them not very wise to use any more
 
Damn templates.
 
From. Your. Code.
Just a hunch?
 
Xeo
Now I requested that code, and they send it with per mail... non.electronic.mail.
 
1:47 PM
@sehe Pretty much, yeah. Turns out the lib and everything was linked correctly and was never the problem. I just have to explicitly instantiate the templates before I use them.
 
You know your language sucks when the most useful feature is the most annoying one.
 
which is?
 
You probably want to keep templates in headers.
 
@TonyTheLion Templates.
 
oh yea
 
1:48 PM
@Xeo Cards in Germany:( Tried three different cards to buy fags from machine - none worked. Found out later I needed a special ID card to prove I was old enough to buy them:(
 
@ThePhD I'm pretty sure that was mentioned yesterday. And in the faq entry linked:
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Q: What is an undefined reference/unresolved external symbol error and how do I fix it?

Luchian GrigoreWhat are undefined reference/unresolved external symbol errors? What are common causes and how to fix them? Feel free to edit/add your own.

 
Xeo
@MartinJames Oh, for cigarettes?
 
I watched STL (Stephan T. Lavavej) Advanced STL series 6 video yesterday, where he goes over the STL pretty printer that KerrekSB proposed as a topic. Was quite interesting, but I find templated code gets bloated quite quickly
 
petty pointer?
 
@TonyTheLion Blasphemy.
@sehe "pretty printer".
 
1:49 PM
@Xeo Yes - I didn't know! The machine was there, it had a card slot and keypad, so I shoved in Visa, Master etc - nothing...
 
for you template nerd, it probably is
 
@sehe I feel so bad right now.
 
I'm still finding it hard to think with templates
 
Think with portals.
 
1:51 PM
@ThePhD To be fair, /explicit and /instantiation came up empty (or non-related matches) in that faq entry.
 
please, you do get the reference don't you?
 
@thecoshman It's a scary thought to think someone hasn't played Portal. Or even heard of it.
 
How are system header files implemented? Do they vary depending on compiler?
 
@sehe I still should have been able to comb through some of those. But I guess I was more focused on thinking it wasn't exporting correctly, so I was trying to fix that (even though there was nothing to fix, a big derp on my part)
 
@ThePhD I haven't played much of any games in my life
only recently started playing
 
1:54 PM
@TonyTheLion What kinds of games do you like playing?
 
@ThePhD FPS
mostly
strategy games are also nice
 
like I used to play Age Of Empires
 
@TonyTheLion Oh well I can't help you there. I barely play FPS, and the ones I do are probably not what most people would consider 'Great FPS'. Mostly L4D2 and Killing Floor.
 
back a long time ago
 
1:55 PM
This is a highly non-specific question with a meaningless code snippet. Why don't you start with the samples in the documentation: boost-spirit.com/home/docsehe 28 mins ago
@sehe How is this non-specific? I want to know if boost-spirit supports recursive calls to parse() with the same grammar instance. (Yes or no) — iolo 5 mins ago
 
Portal is nice. Portal 2 coop is even nicer.
 
I feel like Portal 2 coop can get on your nerves, though.
 
^ Amazing. You should have a look at the 'code sample'. It was quite clear the OP hadn't written a spirit grammar yet :)
 
@TonyTheLion then you will love portal
 
@ThePhD I'm gald if it works now :)
 
1:57 PM
That one guy one your team who hasn't figured it out yet when you've already done the whole thing, and you don't want to ruin it for them, but at the same time you're like JUST LOOK AT THIS PANEL AND SHOOT THE PORTAL LOOK AT IT LOOK AT IT.
Start doing the up-down mouse shuffle in front of them, just to get their attention.
 
@thecoshman looks quite fun
 
@TonyTheLion it's one of the few games from this decade that everyone can agree is a classic :)
 
@TonyTheLion it is :P
 
also maan, shitty graphics in that trailer. Was clearly pre-release stuff :D
 
1:59 PM
I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to games
 
Xeo
So, off to see how I can get those tickets today. I have two hours.
 
@jalf Portal is this decade's SMB, I'm fairly sure.
Well, no exactly. But, it's pretty close.
 
You should definitely grab portal. It's a fairly short game, can play through it in a couple of hours. And you won't regret it :)
 
@Xeo Have fun.
 
@TonyTheLion is ignorant the right word, perhaps oblivious?
 

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