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7:00 AM
@Mysticial what is a swing state?
 
@TonyTheLion It's a state that could go either way in an election.
 
ah I see
 
The whole electoral college thing is a complete piece of shit...
 
the Cat's reaction when he get's plonked
politics is meh
it's pissing rain where I am
ugh
 
@TonyTheLion Better than raining piss.
 
7:05 AM
lol
Cannot unsee Slightly NSFW
 
7:24 AM
WTF. I somehow ended up on wikipedia reading Russian jokes.
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Mornin'
 
@TonyTheLion care to fill me in...
morning all :D
 
Ohh dear. I've made an enemy out of one of my work colleagues I think..
 
@Neil Kill him before it escalates.
 
What do you do when one of your work colleagues says you did something wrong that you didn't?
 
7:34 AM
Ask for clarification.
 
Do I really have to waste time proving my innocence like I were on trial?
 
No, don't defend yourself.
 
@StackedCrooked Sarcasm detected.
 
in JavaScript, 3 mins ago, by Black Lotus
hi how to suck ur boops ?
 
"I didn't do it. I swear." -> Never looks cool, whether you did it or not.
 
7:37 AM
@StackedCrooked I always say that, whether serious or not. People usually think sarcasm when I'm serious and vice-versa.
 
-2
Q: This simple C++ code is supposed to do X, but it doesn't compile, it gives error Y

CJAN.LEEThe problem has confused me for a long time, sorry for repeating it again, I think it is important for me and others who are using lex & yacc. I explain it again: I want to use the yyparser() in my own c++ file. Let's assume there is a function getvalue() { string str="T+F+!F";xxxxxx; ...

Is this question title a joke?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are crafty.
@jalf Meta question :)
 
@jalf WTF. At first I thought that came from meta.
 
I guess any time we find another question which fits that template, we can close as duplicate then
 
@Mysticial IANAA. but, as I understand it, each state gets votes on proportion to their population. Seems reasonable to me, so what' the issue? AFAIK, changing that would need a C. amendment and would be very difficult?
 
7:39 AM
@MartinJames how about this: everyone who votes for the "wrong" guy in a state basically just have their votes thrown away
 
@MartinJames A C amendment? Do you mean C++?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes AC/DC?
 
"IANAA" -- I Am Not An Asshole? What?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, the other , less important, standard in the US:)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Oh, that's what it means?
In that case, IANAA.
 
7:42 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes dunno, i'm jus' asking
 
Also, I just read this joke:
The teacher asks the class to produce a word that starts with the letter "A"; Vovochka happily raises his hand and says "Asshole!"
The teacher, shocked, responds "For shame! There's no such word!"
"That's strange," says Vovochka thoughtfully, "the asshole exists, but the word doesn't!"
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf American! - In other words, I'm just interested in US views as a non-US citizen.
 
@thecoshman there's that picture with a fish on it that says PLONK
 
oh
i guess the witty retort would be "but isn
t that the same"?
:-)
 
7:43 AM
lol
 
@TonyTheLion oh I'm with you now. I took your meaning as that the Cat had done something plonk worthy
 
@jalf Is than not difficult to avoid? Someone has to lose.
 
@MartinJames It means that your vote doesn't count unless you voted for the guy who won in your state. Which again means that (1) it's unrealistic to ever get more than two parties, and (2) you can get in a situation where the majority of voters nationwide vote for a guy who still ends up losing
@MartinJames er, no. Count all the votes nationwide. X gets x0 votes, Y gets y0 votes, if x0 > y0 then X won -- (or do it proportionally where that makes sense)
 
@thecoshman no, it was a joke.
 
rather than the bullshit "I only got 51% of the votes in one state but I gained just as much from it as if I'd had 100% of the votes
winner takes it all. Everyone else is ignored
Proportional representation (PR) is a concept in voting systems used to elect an assembly or council. PR means that the number of seats won by a party or group of candidates is proportionate to the number of votes received. For example, under a PR voting system if 30% of voters support a particular party then roughly 30% of seats will be won by that party. PR is an alternative to voting systems based on single member districts or on bloc voting; these non-PR systems tend to produce disproportionate outcomes and to have a bias in favour of larger political groups. PR systems tend to produ...
 
7:49 AM
There is something similar to that in the UK. Each voting region vote for the party they want, and winning party for each region get's so many 'seats' in parliament. The party with the most seats has the lovely job of breaking the country for the next few years
 
@thecoshman and that's why the lib dems basically got screwed over in the election, despite getting a huge proportion of the votes
I guess now they're paying everyone back by screwing over the country :p
 
The main problem with that system is working out how many seats each regions is worth, because it's not just based on the population
 
"For shame! There's no such word!" A non-existing word? How shameful!
 
but the winning party for each region gets to manage the region as a local council
 
Well, with nationwide representation, a lot of voters would still be pissed off when ther guy got 49%. Unlike the houses in Congress, it's difficult to split the Executive branch in half? Maybe some sort of cloning-style process where, say, only 49% of the President is republican?
 
7:53 AM
Wut.
Republicanism is not a genetic trait.
I hope.
 
@MartinJames well, how it works in most countries is that parliament-type things ( senate and congress in the case of the US) is determined by proportional representation, so it reflects how many votes they actually got nationwide. But the actual government, the administration, the president, goes to the most popular party (or coalition)
 
People where pushing for this strange multi stage vote system. you vote for your top three, in order. Then it's something like, if your number one vote does not win, your second vote is taken.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes An American genetic trait.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Americans have a very simplified view on genetics, cut them some slack. At least they understand the idea of being able to inherit stuff now, and not just Grandads fortune
 
@thecoshman I don't really like US bashing. It seems like a thinly-veiled attempt to prove oneself superior to them.
 
7:57 AM
@StackedCrooked it's a cultural past time, you can't take it away from me :P
 
Our system is super complicated, but it seems kind of fair. Proportional representation so the number of seats in parliament is determined just by how big a proportion of votes you got nationwide, plus a weird kind of bonus system where a handful of extra seats given out to whoever won in particular regions of the country, to ensure regional interests are heard, I guess
 
@StackedCrooked I'm not US-bashing, I was just curious re. the views of US developers here on their electoral system.
 
and let's be honest, the Americans do not have a good track record for accepting science... well, they have a very loud group who do not
@jalf actually sounds rather good. Do you still have regional counsels (sp?) with different parties?
and where is 'here' for @jalf ¬_¬ Germany?
 
and the actual government is usually formed by coalition. Based on how many seats each party got, they bicker and negotiate until they've got an alliance with support from at least half the seats
@thecoshman Denmark
 
@thecoshman Erk!! Faith/science - we should probably not go there!
 
7:59 AM
@thecoshman dk
 
@thecoshman yup
but they're pretty much separate, with separate elections and all. Don't have a say in nationwide stuff
oh, and then a few bonus seats for our "colonies", faroe islands and greenland :D
which seams kind of demeaning imo
 
so you guys are talking politics on a Monday morning
 
@jalf ah, now that's where it start's to sound a bit bad. I think it works best one party is in control on their own
 
@TonyTheLion Kind of heavy, I agree
Let's go with religion
 
oh no
don't go there.
 
8:09 AM
@TonyTheLion Don't blame me! I didn't start it and I saw only one alternative, [starts VMware, squeak...trundle...beep...].
 
Funny thing is that within the religions there is also much discussion about the details.
 
@StackedCrooked is "don't be a douché" really that hard for people to follow?
 
@MartinJames haha
 
Not saying they are douches.
 
@StackedCrooked oh no, I meant as far as needing a religion to 'guide' your moral decisions, do people really need a book to tell them to not be dicks to each other?
 
8:13 AM
I was called a douchebag yesterday :(
am I?
 
of course, many of the social and moral norms are more dependent on region, but a lot of it stems from books written in very different times
 
@LuchianGrigore you are :) :P
 
Well, screw you too
 
@LuchianGrigore are you used to clean out vaginas?
 
8:14 AM
@LuchianGrigore fat man smile?
 
School is boring.
 
@thecoshman was talking to Tony
 
@thecoshman W.
hat.
 
:)
you never looked up what a douchebag is ? :/
 
@ScottW well, I guess really that's the function of a douche, the douchebag would simply hold the water
 
8:16 AM
@ScottW well, since it belongs to a douchebag, I'd call it a method...
hahaha
:|
so funny
 
lol
@LuchianGrigore I was joking, ya know.
 
@LuchianGrigore there is no room for talking about OO here
 
@TonyTheLion ergo the laugh at the end
 
:P
^ singletons
 
8:17 AM
urgh
 
I do love it how I get a class all to myself though
:D
 
@LuchianGrigore You're special like that. Just like Douche.
 
@LuchianGrigore you should see the crap you inherit from
 
heheh
 
class LuchianGrigore : Crap {
...
};
 
8:24 AM
wth is this custodian badge?
is it new?
 
@LuchianGrigore don't think so
 
template <class InputIterator, class Predicate>
  ptrdiff_t count_if ( InputIterator first, InputIterator last, Predicate pred )
{
  ptrdiff_t ret=0;
  while (first != last) if (pred(*first++)) ++ret;
  return ret;
}
why would they return a ptrdiff_t instead of just an int here?
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Q: Why does the C++ standard algorithm "count" return a ptrdiff_t instead of size_t?

SamaursaWhy is the return type of std::count a ptrdiff_t? Since count can never be negative, isn't size_t technically the right choice? And what if the count exceeds the range of ptrdiff_t since the theoretical possible size of an array can be size_t? EDIT: So far there is no suitable answer as to ...

 
8:50 AM
@Neil It's multiple inheritance.
 
class LuchianGrigore : Crap, Shit, Dodo, Poo {
...
};
 
One of my friend is back from London. He was given a large wad of cash and paid extra to wait in a long queue to get a couple boxes with an apple printed on them. Lots of others in the queue had been paid to wait too. The boxes were collected in a suitcase and taken to Heathrow.
 
@Neil That's more like it.
 
9:05 AM
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Q: c1xx : fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file - with some Chinese or Javanese

Iron-EagleHello! I am getting the following compilation errors: 4>c1xx : fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: '䀀∀䤀渀挀氀甀搀攀倀愀琀栀猀䘀漀爀䴀甀氀琀椀刀愀挀欀䌀漀爀攀䰀椀戀⸀琀砀琀∀': No such file or directory 4> ∀䐀㨀尀瀀㐀挀氀椀攀渀琀尀倀爀漀䄀甀搀椀漀尀搀攀瘀开瘀猀㄀㈀尀倀爀漀䄀甀搀椀漀尀堀倀氀愀琀昀漀爀洀尀䄀瀀瀀猀ⴀ䌀漀洀洀漀渀尀䌀漀搀攀尀吀栀爀攀愀搀猀尀圀䌀䔀爀爀愀渀搀䴀愀渀愀最攀爀⸀挀瀀瀀∀ 4>c1xx : fatal error ...

:))
 
comic sans FTW
 
did you scroll down to source code?
 
sbi
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A: c1xx : fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file - with some Chinese or Javanese

sbi Any ideas? How can I fix the language settings? This is not a language issue. The compiler cannot open the files you want it to compile. Do those files exist? Are you invoking the compiler from the right directory? Also, you might get better help if you call your source files foo.cpp, ba...

BTW, @R.Martinho, I will now make a few phone calls.
 
9:23 AM
@sbi Good luck!
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion I'd rather wonder why it's not size_t that they return. ptrdiff_t is a signed type, and there can't be a negative count.
Also, good mornin
 
@Xeo the question I linked to underneath, kind of answers the question
 
@sbi commented, and downvoted both the question and his own answer to it
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Derp. :)
 
9:32 AM
Don't you mean roar, being a Lion?
 
no
I mean exactly what I'm saying :)
 
9:43 AM
@thecoshman depends on what the objective is. Obviously, if one party gets complete and ultimate control, they'll get more done, but you have fewer safeguards and less stability. Every 4 years, you might change direction completely. With a minority government you actually have to play nice and gain support from those not currently in government, which again means that they can't really decide to just tear everything you did down once they win an election
 
9:53 AM
> Allocators should be copy-constructible. An allocator for objects of type T can be constructed from an allocator for objects of type U.
huh? How is that usefull?
U could be a completely different type, somehow I don't see the use of copy-constructible allocator?
maybe I'm missing something?
 
Xeo
Imagine a memory pool of char that gets shared on copy
The allocated type isn't important then
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion IIRC, the standard argument is this: When you have a std::list<T>, you pass in an allocator for T. From that an allocator for list::node<T> must be created, in order for the list to create nodes in which your T objects are stored.
 
Xeo
And it's needed because a std::list<T> doesn't allocate T but nodes
 
because char can just be any type
 
Xeo
9:56 AM
so it copy-constructs a rebinded allocator
 
sbi
@Xeo Erster!
 
Xeo
@sbi Blame the slow interweb here at Ingeus
Taking ages to transmit a message
 
sbi
@Xeo What is Ingeus?
@Xeo You had a message in first, though, only it wasn't a good one. :)
 
@sbi so from T you have to be able to create node<T> which is why you need that T to U conversion?
 
Xeo
@sbi The job-finding/application-writing helper thingy from the job center.
 
sbi
9:58 AM
@TonyTheLion It's a std::allocator<T> to std::allocator<U> conversion, I think. Or did I misread your question?
 
@sbi yes, your understanding is correct.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion typedef typename Alloc::template rebind<node_type<T>>::type node_alloc;
 
sbi
@Xeo Ah, looking for a job, huh? Well, I did have one, but you never reported back. Now the robot is having an interview with them.
 
Xeo
@sbi Don't remind me, I don't know why I didn't really get back to you about that...
 
wah. I'm going to open days of the company i want to get in tomorrow
 
sbi
10:01 AM
@Xeo Yeah, that pretty much damaged my reputation with them as being someone who only recommend very good developers. I am not exactly thankful for you doing that to me.
 
@sbi ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
 
@thecoshman well, he's got the point (damn keyboard)
 
Xeo
@sbi .__.
 
btw, @Xeo, do you have your Careers 2.0 profile filled in?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?
@BartekBanachewicz how good is that service?
 
10:04 AM
@thecoshman nvm
@thecoshman Well, it's the best one I've used, that's for sure. A lot better than Linkedin, which, on the other hand, is a lot more social
"Top 20% SO in C++" on my profile doesn't hurt, either. However, its popularity is quite low, I'd say; especially in Poland.
 
@BartekBanachewicz bleh, linked in
 
@thecoshman Way to show off. My friend convinced me to create an account, finally. And to put my code on github
I am so freaking social right now I can hug everyone
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Mostly
But I guess it isn't used much in Germany, atleast from what I can tell
> Top 20% for
wtf
 
@Xeo mind sharing a link? tried to look at your profile out of curiosity
xD and how much C++? Top 5%?
 
Xeo
They only show top 10% at best
 
10:09 AM
Too bad, given the curve.
 
Xeo
I answered 7 Java questions. And am in the top 20%. The fuck.
And all of those were really just tagged java in addition to C++
I guess it comes from the 90+ votes on my sum answer
 
@Xeo top 20% is top 200,000...
or something like that :P)
I'm in top 20% for QT, but I've never used it
 
@Xeo where do you see that?
 
Luchian, still downvoting me? :O
 
@jalf careers2.0 profile
@LewsTherin ummm... no?
 
10:12 AM
Also, if you have just one rep in a tag, you're probably in the top 30%
unless they discard people who have 0
I guess that would make sense to do
 
@LuchianGrigore Ok, just wondering..
 
@LewsTherin I don't even know who you are. Did you write any stupid answers/questions lately? If so, then I might have....
 
@jalf well, it looks nice if you ever used SO anyway
 
Let's see if I'm able to collect a few more downvotes for a technically correct answer: stackoverflow.com/a/12554454/321013
 
@LewsTherin if you're talking about this - stackoverflow.com/a/12553194/673730
Then no, one downvote is all I have, and I already voted yesterday... :D
 
10:15 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I have an account, but I just can't be arsed with it
 
@MartinBa tl;dr. Sorry, can't help you with downvotes, I've got my rep at a nice round number, and don't plan to mess it up.
@LewsTherin plus, you're the one that called me a douchebag...
 
@LewsTherin got another one from me
 
For the laugh right? :P
@BartekBanachewicz If it wasn't for the laugh then why? Aren't downvoters supposed to give a valid reason? :O
 
@LewsTherin Is the reason "i think your answer is bad and you should feel bad" valid?
 
Nope.
What part of it "is bad"?
 
10:26 AM
oh boy, language barriers are a fun day to day challange
 
@LewsTherin "The above is C++ standard but may not work on all compilers".
 
So?
Unfortunately, not all compilers follow the rules
So much for a standard right?
I feel like ranting :)
Compilers will usually follow those standards fairly closely, but each compiler manufacturer will decide how to handle options left open by the international standards.
 
@LewsTherin Did you really throw a uni (sic!) document from 1996 (SIC!!) at me?
 
I think I did..
 
Lews uses 1996 doc
 
10:39 AM
@LewsTherin which is following the standards :P
 
It's not very effective
 
@thecoshman But may not completely follow the standard.
 
1996 university doc. Why on earth...?
@LewsTherin so it's shitty and you shouldn't use it. Period.
 
And is it definite that a OP knows that?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Had it private till now, but decided that I might aswell make it public: careers.stackoverflow.com/Xeo
 
10:42 AM
@BartekBanachewicz this @LewsTherin
 
Xeo
Sadly, IE8 is so crappy that I can't reorder my "top answers" :/
 
@Xeo kewl.
 
@Xeo 'prosumer'?
@Xeo why on earth would you be using IE?
 
Xeo
Prosumer is a portmanteau formed by contracting either the word professional or, less often, producer with the word consumer. For example, a prosumer grade digital camera is a "cross" between consumer grade and professional grade. The term has also taken on multiple meanings in business and economics: the business sector sees the prosumer (professional–consumer) as a market segment, whereas economists see the prosumer (producer–consumer) as having greater independence from the mainstream economy. These differing meanings often describe the same people; consumers unusually interested in th...
@thecoshman Ingeus... they only got IE8 here and no way to install anything else
 
@Xeo fucking stupid word
 
Xeo
10:45 AM
:)
 
@Xeo where on earth are you?
this really is taking design patterns too far. A factory class called 'Factory'
 
@thecoshman at least you know it's a Factory :P
 
@TonyTheLion I am amazed it's not a singleton or some crap like that
I get the feeling 'Senthil Kumar' is a rather common Indian name... I deal with a few of them
 
sbi
@thecoshman A factory that's not a singleton. Sounds wrong.
 
10:54 AM
@thecoshman Maybe it's the John Smith of Indians.
 
sbi
John Doe.
 
Yea only ProxySingletonFactoryBeans are really acceptable :P
 
@StackedCrooked seems that way :P
@sbi that's dead people, in particular unidentified dead people, even more particular male dead people
 
sbi
@thecoshman So? Don't you wish he was dead? Or you'd rather he keeps churning out code for you to fix?
 
10:56 AM
@sbi I'm not fixing either of their cod... at the moment
 
but soon you will be :P
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I doubt he'll be fixing cod. Or. Well. Actually, Ii have no idea whether he can cook.
 
I know for a fact that I cannot cook
even though I should be learning it, I'm just not interested enough to bother.
 
@sbi I would avoid cooking cod. Not only do I feel it is over farmed and thus we should try to eat other fish, it is also rather dull. Would much rather have a lovely line caught tuna steak, with a nice soy ginger and chilli marinade
welp, now for lunch
 
Am I only the only one here that has lunch at my desk and just continues working while eating?
 
11:04 AM
@thecoshman the same is true for (some) tuna though
 
I don't like Tuna.
It's urgh
 
Ah, one of those days. It's 1 pm and I basically haven't gotten anything done yet
 
oh I know how that feels
 
@SethCarnegie Whatever. Assigning them to char* is still wrong.
 
who uses char* anyways? :P
 
11:08 AM
Rules are for bad posters, so you should read them.
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Well, I have a tin of Tesco Value tuna and someone else's protocol-parsing code that is so bad that it would make the developers in here explode on contact. Not sure which to tackle first :((
 
go find another job :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman What. You're prefering tuna over cod because cod is over-farmed? What do you think happens to tuna?
 
sbi
11:11 AM
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Rules are for bad posters, so you should read them.
 
Hello Guys, I have a quick question
regarding netbeans c++ on ubuntu 12.04, I get it to build successfully but in the code there are unresolved , do you guys know how to overcome them ?
 
Xeo
Oh hey, I got my Careers invites
 
@timothy Doesn't sound like a successful build to me..
 
Xeo
Anyone needs one?
 
11:13 AM
exactly this is wat I thought @martin
 
(You people are not paying any attention, are you)
2
 
but it says a successful build
 
5 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Rules are for bad posters, so you should read them.
 
I even tried code assistance - > reparse project, dint help
 
@timothy it didn't link. Check your library dependencies
 
11:18 AM
its a static library @Bertek
sorry @Bartek
 
@timothy you can edit your posts, ya know? + it doesn't matter, a static library is explicitly linked. If something is unresolved, you're either not linking or linking something wrong
 
@timothy Well, just pick the top 'unresolved', find out why it won't link and fix it. With a bit of luck, fixing just one 'unresolved' will get rid of lots of other projectile-vomiting from the linker.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks ! will have a relook at this linking again.
@MartinJames Yes will check on that , but somehow there are number of people have this problem on the internet, nevermind, considering mine is a big project, I will have a look. fortunately in windows works fine, but just not in linux
 
oh, this is great. Came across a bug in Firefox. Suddenly I remember why I despise web development
 
You don't have to remember to despise it.
My stomach is killing me today.
 
11:34 AM
so, it turns out that if you make a HTTP request from Javascript, Firefox completely ignores the credentials you specify, if it has cached some credentials from an earlier connection
 
oh well that is fail
 
very
 
@CatPlusPlus @DeadMG?
 
our tester had a fun time with that. "Oh, hey, I can log in no matter which password I specify"
 
I don't know, is he curing it with vodka?
 
11:37 AM
Which HTTP verb is normally used for login? POST?
 
@CatPlusPlus no AFAIK
 
@TonyTheLion Then I ain't DeadMG.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus With cookies, I think. :-/ IIRC, he despises alcohol.
 
lol
TIL Cat cures stomach issues with Vodka
 
11:39 AM
@jalf Maybe you used GET where it should have been POST? In any case Firefox' behavior is hard to defend.
 
Only today, and it was my flatmate's idea. Seems to work, though.
It's a magical fluid that cures a lot of issues.
 
lol
how do you work while drinking Vodka?
 
@jalf Are you using HTTP auth? Don't use HTTP auth.
 
@CatPlusPlus hmm?
 
I took the day off, I can't work when I spend most of the day in pain or on the toilet.
 
11:41 AM
@StackedCrooked Nope, it is a POST. It happens for all verbs
 
use https
 
@jalf Auth via headers.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's what HTTP auth is
 
I know.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR HMM MEANT
Anyway don't use HTTP auth.
 
So you're saying that instead of doing what I currently do, I should do what I currently do?
Ah
What would you do instead? And why?
 
11:43 AM
It's bad, nobody uses it, don't be that guy.
 
@CatPlusPlus erm, that's not true
Crappy PHP developers don't use it
So why is it bad?
 
1. Auth via headers instead of HTTP auth. 2. HTTP auth is the same as auth with headers. 3. ?
 
There's no way to clear the session, for one.
@StackedCrooked No, I was explaining HTTP auth because jalf said "hmm" to "don't use HTTP auth".
 
@CatPlusPlus yes there is. A common method is to just specify different (invalid) credentials
 
Silly workaround.
 
11:45 AM
HTTP just seems to be the wrong protocol to handle authentications
SSL FTW
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, not using the auth mechanism built into your software stack is also kind of a silly workaround, isn't it?
 
Really, almost nobody uses HTTP auth, because custom session engine is more flexible and easier to manage server side.
 
@TonyTheLion SSL is just about encrypting whatever you send. HTTP is about what you send. Combine the two, and you have HTTPS
 
Also Basic is primitive, and Digest nobody knows about.
 
@CatPlusPlus I suspect the reason almost nobody uses it is different. Incompetence, ignorance and NIH. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel, especially in the web community
 
11:47 AM
HTTP is a bad stack, so vOv.
 
That doesn't automatically mean HTTP auth is a good mechanism, I'm just saying it's flaws aren't the reason why it's not widely used
@CatPlusPlus Primitive is good. As long as the underlying connection is encrypted, I don't see how that's a problem
 
Well, suit yourself. Have fun working around bugs that nobody actually cares about.
 
yeah right
you do know there's a bit more than PHP storefronts on the internet, yes?
 
@jalf right.
 
I work as a webdev (well, recently more mobile but still).
 
11:51 AM
@CatPlusPlus doesn't webdev drive you crazy?
 
Yes. Mobile does, too. Funny how that works.
 
cause it sucks, perhaps?
 
It's common for websites to not use http auth, yes. But we're not exactly building a website. And it's very common for more API/service-oriented stuff to use http auth. It's used if you want to connect to services like FTP servers or, well, anything with more complex authentication schemes than just "please log me in to Facebook and show my personalized front page"
 
http auths are RESTful.
 
yup
 
11:53 AM
@jalf @sbi you seem to have over looked the 'line caught' I never by net caught tuna as I disapprove of just how much just how much by-catch there is. Line-caught tuna involves the gathering of small fish at night, followed by using those small fish as bait to catch tuna in the morning. The is next to no by catch
 
> "The is next to no by catch" <-- wut?
 
Xeo
@sehe Fish you didn't want to catch, I take it
 
Bah, APIs tend to use OAuth not HTTP auth.
 
@CatPlusPlus Again, depends on what you're looking at
 
I really haven't seen HTTP auth in the wild for a long time (barring router software).
 
11:56 AM
And again, we're not building a website or a tool to aggregate flicker pics
 
And where it does, the system is usually bad.
I'm not, either.
 
@sehe s/the/there/
 
Xeo
@thecoshman lol, I read it as "there" already
 
There is just little reason to use HTTP auth over alternatives.
 
@Xeo funny, I wrote it as "there"
 
11:57 AM
And no, being a part of HTTP standard is not a reason.
 
sbi
@thecoshman The problem with tuna isn't just its by-catch, it's also that we eat more tuna than what grows.
 

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