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11:00 PM
@JerryCoffin also, if I edit an xml document with schemas, it freezes for ~15s every few minutes, I presume while it refetches the schemas.
 
@MooingDuck 2008 is the first that went to using WPF (previous versions used GDI).
 
@JerryCoffin good to know
 
Lulz at the room tagline.
Anyone here good with git?
 
@LuchianGrigore 1)/2) are actually the same thing. They could be the 'focal point' for noobs; 3/4) are also the same thing ("declarations missing declaration") and are in a way similar to 1/2. I agree they warrant separate mention, since the root cause is significantly different.
 
I blew up my git installation on OS X.
 
11:01 PM
@Moshe Yup
@Moshe What.
 
@sehe Yea, I accidentally replaced it with git-credential-osxkeychain
 
So now my question has some text that says close ( 1 ) next to the edit text. Does this mean somebody has voted to close it?
 
@Moshe ? i'm not into OSX
 
@sehe I overwrote usr/bin/git
 
@Chimera yes
@Moshe Well, use your favourite package manager to fix it :)
 
11:03 PM
@sehe Eh, just fixed it, by deleting the old git file and reinstalling.
 
@sehe windows started out as cooperative multitasking, suited for the 16-bit world
 
@MooingDuck Somehow this seems to have turned into "You must be wrong unless you can prove that every program ever written for Windows is perfect and designed to work the way I'd prefer."
 
Reinstalling didn't help, actually, since the new install went somewhere else but the path pointed at the old location first.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf No shit. That's old
 
@sehe I guess I can also group together 5) and 6)
 
11:03 PM
git-credential-osxkeychain is a login storage utility, btw.
Anywho, I'll be off.
 
@sehe and get rid of 9) altogether, although I've seen it happen more than I wished...
 
@sehe yes, and backward compatibility constrains it
 
@JerryCoffin I think his point was that gnome doesn't have the problem where you can't minimize stupid programs. MSVC is a stupid program, and can't be minimized in Windows when it's unresponsive.
 
@JerryCoffin Not really. It's basically you saying that there's nothing wrong with windows, while at least a few of us are obviously annoyed by it
 
@sehe Probably for being too localized?
 
11:05 PM
there's a lot wrong with windows. problem is, there's a lot more wrong with *nix desktops. i don't know about mac
 
@LuchianGrigore On that topic, why does 6) mention 'virtual'? I mean, it's the same for non-virtuals (except you can't define them pure - but that isn't a viable solution usually)
 
i think if i make some money (must get well first) i will buy mac
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Depends on taste. Is the point. My linux desktops work a lot better than my windows ones.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf: Had to work with a Mac last semester for a project (involving iPads). And I don't like them.
 
@LuchianGrigore I'm still going through things
 
11:06 PM
@sehe you get the error even if you don't use the method if it's virtual.
 
@sehe How can anything I said possibly be interpreted as saying there's nothing wrong with Windows, or anything even close to it? What I said (and all I said) was that on Linux, the X server runs as a process with its own priority, while on Windows the GDI (for example) functions run with the priority of the process that calls them.
 
@LuchianGrigore Well, meh. It's in fact just another case of 'declaration missing definition' right? You might mention that virtual methods are considered always 'used', since the vtable should contain a pointer to them
12 mins ago, by Jerry Coffin
@sehe I hate to think how badly you must have munged things to get that. And (since Windows Vista) you certain can minimize a window when the app isn't responding. I'm astounded at the idea of the app not responding though -- where are you getting such buggy crap? If it's happening a lot, it sounds like badly munged drivers, or perhaps a hardware problem.
 
@sehe well I thought that was a big enough difference. Marking them pure generates the dummy vtable, right?
 
@JerryCoffin ^ Nuff said
 
http://stackoverflow.com/users/596781/kerrek-sb?tab=reputation&sort=graph
omg this guy is on fire
 
11:10 PM
@LuchianGrigore Hmm. Yeah, but listing everything you can think of as a separate 'cause' makes it a bit unwieldy. It is not, in fact, a different reason. I think the FAQ, being a FAQ, might want to highlight that the cause is always, basically, the same; empower the user with something he can understand and reason about, instead of dealing out a 'random' laundry list of things that are 'magically' related.
@LuchianGrigore (I'm getting a bit tired here, so I could just leave you to it. It is, after all, your post :))
@Borgleader Always has been
 
fuck
 
@sehe OK, gotcha. Will get to it. Thanks!
 
been a while since eating something bad drove me back up from my bed
 
@Borgleader I remember him and me coming up at roughly the same speed. Until I dropped the ball. And got a lot more time to chat :)
 
@sehe: Hehe, I can't keep up with him, half the questions he answers I had no idea what the answer was. Maybe one day....
 
11:12 PM
:)
@LuchianGrigore Now that I've finally actually read all of it, I gave the question +1 already. I hope you can find a way to make the answer more newbie friendly. I'll have a look tomorrow (if I don't forget)
 
@sehe I'll hold you to it.
 
@sehe Well, no, not really. But if you somehow believe I was saying Windows is perfect, or anything even close, then your understanding of English is clearly so badly flawed that it's pointless for me to even attempt to discuss it any further.
 
@JerryCoffin Huh. Is it my mistake that read that to mean: "you screwed up, it's not window's fault"?
@JerryCoffin I'm not actually saying it is windows' fault. All I'm saying is that Linux's X-as-a-process is working very very nicely for me. Much less frustration, in fact, than with many years of windows experience.
 
30 years of 'dont' wait in GUI event handlers', 'don't perform blocking operations in GUI event handlers', 'don't perform lengthy CPU-intensive non-GUI operation in GUI event handlers'. What happens? 'To terminate your thread, you must set some flag and perform a blocking wait with 'Join' :((((((
 
@MartinJames Well, as long as you don't do it in your message handling loop (IOW destroy all thread-owned windows first)
 
11:21 PM
there is so much i would like to do but i dont' have time
like making that GUI framework
writing that book
continuing my blogs
learning haskell
 
commenting my code
 
learn how to make your bernaise sauce (with real estragon)
argh
 
looks like the easiest one... : S
 
also i would like to learn how to hack them reddit kids and give them malware
just for kicks
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf huh. They're on reddit already?
 
11:24 PM
@sehe yes
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf So? No need to incapacitate them any further. Also, chances are close to 99.999% that they already have a healthy supply of malware
 
hm i wonder if ms ever fixed the WM_TIMER attack vector thing
i think the funnest attack ever conceived was when the IE source code was published and some russian figured way to take control by crafting a special picture. virus in a picture. how quaint
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Just do the kicking first.
 
it was a signed/unsigned thing allowing overwrite of stack frame
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf How does signed/unsigned lead to memory corruption?
 
11:32 PM
@DeadMG treating a negative value as unsigned you get a biggie value.
 
yes
 
@DeadMG only if the software reading it had a flaw (e.g. using it to index a buffer, out of bounds)
 
conversely, treating a biggie unsigned value as signed you get a negative value
 
yes
 
i don't remember which of these it was
 
11:33 PM
@sehe The root cause, then, would be that they were morons about using unchecked buffer indices, rather than any specific cause of generating bad indexes
 
it was just a bug in the IE parsing of the picture header
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf s/i/it/ :)
@DeadMG Who said otherwise?
 
hanks! darned key!
 
lol
 
TIL Alf was a bug in IE.
Who the fuck starred a link to cracked.com?
 
11:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Coming from TVTropes over here?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not I! When I star shit, I have a proper fucking starfest!!
:-)
 
@DeadMG Not really, but I really want to click that link.
 
@sehe The basic problem is that too many Windows apps are built by clueless morons with the multithreaded acumen of a pistachio nut. I'm fixing one now:( Either the overall design or the actual code would cause you to commit suicide.
2
 
Salty!
 
Shall I demonstrate?
 
11:40 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I think this presentation says it was 'patched after the Shatter attack' (page 52). The presentation contains some trustworthy info, but also some ... simplifications here and there
@Chimera No thanks, buddy. We know what you are capable of
 
@sehe LOL hehehehe
muahahahah
 
Am i too late for the Itunes Nuke demo?
 
@Chimera why don't you just star all the things already on the starboard? Quench you thirst for starring, while not mutilating our right hemisphere input
 
@sehe I don't, furthermore, I do not wish to be educated.
 
@CaseyDiemel Ah. You came to implement it
 
11:41 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We took too long to change the topic, and now people are coming for that iTunes nuke demo. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
@sehe oh hey.. now there is an idea!
 
@Chimera missing emphasis
 
@sehe i came to see how progress was going
 
Duh. Still missing emphasis
 
11:43 PM
@sehe Ok, you lost me then. :-(
 
@CaseyDiemel Turned out that the iTunes API for that was proprietary and is only available for paid software partners these days.
 
What's the point with iTunes and nukes?
 
That better?
 
@Chimera 'oh hey.. now there's an idea!'
 
@Macmade Nothing. If it's in the topic it's probably meaningless.
 
11:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Will remember that... ; )
 
@sehe im sure it'll be come OS soon enough
 
@sehe :-)
 
@LuchianGrigore I'd combine the 'Declared and undefined variable or function.' with 'Undefined static data member' since it is essentially the same
 
Also, argh, I'm so weak. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that for real? This a site script gimmick?
 
11:48 PM
No, it's shopped.
 
@sehe thx, again
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
@sehe done. That's it though, in 5 hours I gotta be up for work.
G'night everyone!
 
@LuchianGrigore Much much better already. (Still wondering whether it would make more sense including the source snippet with error messages in the question. But the 'wall of answer' is solved now)
@LuchianGrigore Sleep well
@LuchianGrigore PS. Did you mean virtual ~A() = 0; in the snippet?
 
@sehe And dream of being paid €200K for writing bash scripts.
 
11:52 PM
@sehe yup. Edited.
 
@MartinJames That's a pipe dream
@LuchianGrigore Cheers. Sleep even better :)
 
Thx u2
 
@sehe <g>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You might want to review this new entry: stackoverflow.com/q/12573816/85371 (of course, you being a robot, you saw it?)
 

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