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5:00 AM
"No woman no cry." means "No woman don't cry."
Everybody gets it wrong.
 
oh misrembered
but anyway
 
You're stupid remember :P
 
TPR
nobody from USA/UK here?
 
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Q: how to be a good programmer?i want u guys to suggest me,i m beginner and learning c++

Dhananjayokay guys i dropped out and now self teaching myself programming.i want to be a good programmer.i downloaded c++ primer plus by stephen prata .i thought its a good book but here many peoples are saying that its not a good book.so please suggest me from where i should start.which books i should re...

 
@TPR I'm in the US.
 
@TPR I'm in the US.
 
gee, thanks for that, Mysticial
it's not like I want to get to know people before giving out my information
no, no problem, I'll just spell it all out to any random fucker who walks in
want my full name, address, credit card number too?
 
:)
 
5:04 AM
Dude, you angered the puppy.
 
arf!
 
TPR
@Rapptz, @Mysticial what do you guys code in?
 
it's in the room name.
 
I'll disclose the fact that I live on Earth.
 
TPR
lol, apart from C++...
 
5:06 AM
@TPR Pyjamas.
 
TPR
anything else... ?
@StackedCrooked good to know, lol
 
In sleep-deprived state.
 
Python, JavaScript, C#..
 
My programming language diversity seems to be shrinking. I've been mostly focusing on C++ the last few years.
 
TPR
@Rapptz, nice
@StackedCrooked I code in whatever I get assigned, lol
 
5:10 AM
I once was assigned to create a cupboard.
 
Do you guys all pull all nighters
 
TPR
Oh yes
 
Some of us frequently do that.
 
TPR
not good for health :(
 
Glad I'm not the only one.
 
5:11 AM
with redbull and all of that?
 
TPR
but then what about meetings with managers etc?
how to not piss them off?
 
wait, wait.
we pull all-nighters because we're dysfunctional.
3
 
I realized that when I'm home during the weekend that programming during the day makes me feel slightly depressed. This is not the case if I program at night. Hence my preference. (Maybe not really depressed. Rather uncomfortable.)
 
TPR
@BadSniper I'm insomniac ...
 
if your manager makes you work over 40 hours a week
then go right ahead and piss him right the fuck off
 
5:13 AM
@TPR well I wish I'm an insomniac, it could save lot of money
 
TPR
but he doesn't... remember the dysfunctional comment
 
I do 6 hours 3 days a week and 11 hours 2 days a week.
 
The atmosphere at night is better suited for coding.
 
@StackedCrooked I agree.
 
During the day there's sunlight and shit.
 
TPR
5:14 AM
but health, guys... what about that?
 
@StackedCrooked exactly lol
 
@TPR What about it?
 
My managers are cool.
 
You killed them?
 
Who cares about health.
 
5:15 AM
@TPR It's not unhealthy as long as you don't do it too much.
8 hours during the day, 8 hours during the night, nobody cares except we prefer to do it at night
 
TPR
I do it too much
 
We don't need as much sleep as we think we do. (I once read that on the Internet therefore it's true.)
But I think it is.
 
TPR
lol... sleep at night is much more healthier (I heard it from doctor, lol)
 
if you have a good routine, diet, exercise, low stress, you can probably go a lot less
@TPR Depends on the age.
 
Giraffes can survive on 20 minutes of sleep a day
 
5:17 AM
some age groups are very biased towards sleeping at night, some not so much
 
TPR
oh the age thing again ...
 
what do you mean, "again"?
 
The male Sandpipers (birds) go for weeks with little or no sleep during the mating season - Link
 
TPR
@DeadMG I keep encountering this "it depends on your age" too many times during the day... making me feel time is running out
 
Sleep is a different mode of activity, not a turning off of the brain.
 
5:20 AM
@TPR If you prefer working during the night and sleeping during the day to be more natural, then time is running out.
 
Time is running out?
 
well, as you age, your sleep cycle goes back to working during the relatively early morning and sleeping earlier at night
 
Ah. Yeah, old people wake up early and sleep early.
 
I sleep 2 hrs in afternoon and 3hrs in night
 
wait
 
5:23 AM
How can you sleep 2hrs in afternoon? Don't you have school or work?
 
I left a Cornish Pastie in my fridge
 
Happiness!
 
I have classes in evening
So not a problem
 
sleep is compatible with classes
 
@Potatoswatter lol
 
TPR
5:24 AM
is it due to computer? people from older generation didnt have such messed up routine... (just based on observation)
 
that's because they were older.
 
@TPR You're just observing the ones who survived
 
people from previous generations at our age were just as fucked up as we are.
although computers are a partial source of the "problem"
 
Technology in general tends to keep people awake now a days. There was a paper written about it that I could find somewhere.
 
Anyway who wants to live 80 yrs
I dont want to
 
5:24 AM
What about artificial lighting?
People like a couple hundred/thousand years ago couldn't really stay up and do stuff
 
80 yrs isn't really ambitious any more
 
anyways
the local "sugar and fat cooked together" shop is now open for business
i ain't got no time to play around what is this
so I'mma go purchase some "sugar and fat cooked together"
 
That sounds disgusting
 
Good luck with that. I might buy a sandwich at local bakery.
 
TPR
@BadSniper It's not about wanting to live that long... but being forced to live that long and facing all health issues... assuming suicide isn't an option
 
5:26 AM
I always imagined that a Tipp-Ex bottle flying though the air and hitting the teacher's head would be the most hilarious thing.
Not sure if something is wrong with me or just into slap-stick.
Apparently my mom left some fruit in the fridge.
 
Anybody listen to music while programming?
 
Of course.
 
It's the only way to code.
 
I'm addicted to this multitasking..even I have to study I use to browse.. I can't just concentrate on one thing except for video games
 
TPR
I don't listen to music while I code
=/
 
5:39 AM
You should
Unless it distracts you or something, it's neat to have background music.
 
TPR
I love music too much - I will start singing along or heck even get up from chair and dance or something, lol
 
6:00 AM
@TPR oh, there was a very funny video from some barracks, hidden camera, showing a guy who just couldn't resist moving and getting up from the chair to dance
^ I think that's it, but currently too slow network connection to verify
Currently playing Porcupine Tree "In Absentia"
I discovered there's about three or four PT albums from that period that I don't have
 
TPR
Deja Vu!!!
 
I can't get C++11 to work with g++ hm
 
-std=c++0x
 
I'm using -std=c++11 with 4.7.1
It's MinGW
Oh I see
 
flump
rofl TDWTF
 
6:22 AM
That video's brilliant
 
7:00 AM
Morning
@jalf I will visit your company today
 
@Drise here? I would have a Qt question as well :)
 
howdy
@ManofOneWay oh really? Cool
 
@jalf I'll drop by around 14:00, maybe I'll see you there =)
@jalf Btw, which station is the closest one? Is it Valby?
 
yeah
is 5 minutes walk from here
 
Great
 
7:37 AM
moaning.
Darn sensor porch lights. Made me go up a ladder to ... erm ... "fix" the lamp (ultimately by removing the bulb - the lamp wouldn't go off and had been flooding the front yard pretty much 36 hours continuously)
Let me tell you. That is not my thing
 
Friends question: I have added class C as a friend to class A. Class A has a base class B which has a protected member. Can I then call the protected member from C?
 
Grrrr.
 
ahoy
 
@sehe Doesn't the Zoo staff usually change the lamps? :)
 
@Nils I believe it works the other way around: friend can touch the privates of your children. Yes, really
 
Boing
They failed to observe duties
 
yeah but not of the bases, rigth?
 
@Nils I don't think so. Try it :)
 
Meh I wonder if I use it not the way I am supposed to.
@sehe I tried, does not work.
 
morning. Oh gosh, Qt again?
"friend can touch the privates of your children" says it all
 
sbi
7:42 AM
@daknøk Kurt Vonnegut.
 
@Nils B can't access C, but A can
sehe put it best
 
@Nils There. Give yourself +1 :)
 
@sbi the first response is just trash
 
@thecoshman It might be true, though
 
sbi
7:45 AM
@thecoshman I never looked at them. (Why do I think it appropriate that you the lounge would find such an response?)
 
user1182183
so folks, I'm @ school, nothing to do, so I ran and came up over here with my 15 minutes left
 
:)
 
user1182183
so what topic you talking about a whole day? ; o
 
@GamErix ... to live?
 
@sehe I am sceptical as to the true hotness of the owner off the twitter account
 
user1182183
7:46 AM
@sehe certainly 15 minutes left to be dead, then, after school, I can live again <REBORN>
 
@sbi you linked to it, it has the response directly below :S what's your problem?
 
@GamErix summer vacations ended already? Mine's starting on 8th september.
 
yeah, noticed this morning kids geting ready to head to school
 
@thecoshman Huh, I'm pretty sure she'll be hotter when off the account then when on it
 
user1182183
My summer vacation ended on 18-08 :(
 
sbi
7:47 AM
@thecoshman Ah, I see. For me, those show up in my timeline, and I don't see responses unless I look at them. I had only copied the link, but never followed it.
 
wait, why would a 24 year old guy go to school?
 
I am fatigued.
 
user1182183
i'm 17 lulz xD
 
@DeadMG Does that mean you're tired?
 
@GamErix oh. No need to lie about your age then. :D
 
7:48 AM
@sbi that explains it
@ApprenticeHacker who?
 
user1182183
@ApprenticeHacker I didn't but then i had to hide my age from google ::P
 
user1182183
(and nickname changed)
 
user1182183
I wasn't always 'Gam Erix' xD
 
@thecoshman @GamErix.
 
@ApprenticeHacker ah
 
7:49 AM
@thecoshman he's really 17 though. Same age as me.
 
@ScottW Ohai. long time no seen buddy. Are you hungry?
@ScottW And that friend... do we know him/her? I remember you saying something about meeting those in Amsterdam, IIRC?
 
user1182183
how funny, the PC's in my school have a bad clock, and my calculator is set nicely to go off at the same time with the bell
 
user1182183
xd
 
@ScottW Kk I see.
@ScottW Kk I see :) Eat!
 
user1182183
I could use some good food
 
user1182183
7:51 AM
lunch break is in 50 minutes :/
 
user1182183
Im gonna die! SOMEONE SEND A FOOD PACKAGE TO NETHERLANDS xD
 
@ScottW I must have asked for her name before. Just curious whether I'd possibly know her
@GamErix Wait, just shipped one to down under. You parcel will be ready in... 2 months
 
user1182183
@ScottW at Jumbo we have enough of that stuff at gr8 price xD
 
@ScottW Thanks for not oneboxing
 
user1182183
7:52 AM
@sehe well I'll spent my 9 euros I have with me on food and drinks : P stupid school doesn't support Maestro
 
user1182183
I like Rafaello
 
user1182183
those are really tasty
 
user1182183
van steen is a netherlands name yes..
 
@ScottW Anonymous date or something?
 
user1182183
*<switch lang mode> xD
 
7:54 AM
@ScottW Nope... no match in database
 
user1182183
Please chose your language:
0) Polish
1) English
2) Dutch xd
 
user1182183
@sehe you mean facebook?
 
@GamErix 9 euro's. Kinda hefty for snacks
 
sbi
I have just learned that an iPhone sold for €629 carries hardware worth €155. Yes, there's also software, marketing, sales, shipping, etc., but it seems the major share of that €629 goes into making Apple the most expensive company on earth. That explains why they are so vicious in defending their patents.
4
 
@GamErix Nope. I actually mean brains
 
user1182183
7:54 AM
@sehe school allowing 3rd parties to come over here and charge 2,- euros for just a sandwitch
 
user1182183
one blick of fanta (0.33cl) 1 euro (in shop, 30 cents)
 
user1182183
so what could we expect.. ~.~
 
user1182183
+ school doesn't allow you to order pizza, chips, or whatever...
 
user1182183
even at lunch time
 
@sbi yeah. It's a bit cheaper here. iPhone 4 costs Rial 299 => ~ 600 Euro. Guess the last 29 Euro is taxes.
 
user1182183
7:56 AM
bring ur own food or buy it, else u won't be eating anything xD
 
@sbi In fairness, I guess there's also the manual labor involved in production, plus the initial R&D
 
user1182183
ah man, tomorrow will be a fucking hard day
 
@GamErix exams, already?
 
@GamErix And you allowing them to take your money. It works for both parties...
 
sbi
@jalf That labor has been included in the costs (€8 per phone). R&D hasn't, of course.
 
7:57 AM
but yeah, it's not a coincidence that they're so absurdly profitable :)
 
Can I patent "the technique of using bogus patents to stifle competition"? There is definitely NO prior art for that!
 
@sbi Not so fast ! you linked it to me.
Aug 24 at 19:55, by sbi
@kbok If you think taht's bad, then (do not) look at this.
 
user1182183
1) GF comes over to me after school , 2 I have to work, 3) a friend will be sleeping over at me with his gf, 4) i have to go thursday to school bah xD
 
@sbi That is not unusual. A 150 euro sports shoe costs ~ 15 euro to make.
 
user1182183
@ApprenticeHacker ye, 5havo
 
user1182183
7:58 AM
@sehe I have no choice i'm hungry :(
 
@GamErix Lol? School? Seems hard indeed.
 
Wonder how it is for cars, but around the same I think :)
 
Just die instead.
That'll teach you to remember to make sandwiches before coming to school next time :)
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz not hard.. just time consuming ~.~
 
user1182183
in 3 minutes and 30 secs the bell will go
 
7:59 AM
How can I arrange the filters in a VS project? I end up putting them inside of each other, but I just want to have one first and then the next..
 
@GamErix One glance at my chat history from yesterday would tell you how hard my work is :P
 
sbi
@Nils Yeah. And not coincidentally, Nike carries the same reputation as Apple for me.
 
Glad to see my school hasn't started yet.
Curse those bell timings.
 
user1182183
2 min and 50 sec
 
@Nils They are sorted alphabetically. Makes you think of new names to sort properly ^^
 
user1182183
7:59 AM
I know it will go at exactly the time
 
user1182183
xd
 
user1182183
@BartekBanachewicz I will get my own job, life, then we can compare xD
 
user1182183
Bartek polak? :P
 
Damn those bells. When it's a free lesson, they ring 10 minutes too early. When it's a math lesson, they ring 20 minutes too late.
 
user1182183
@ApprenticeHacker +1
 
user1182183
8:00 AM
50 secs
 
user1182183
30 secs 'x
 
user1182183
well ima log out cya guys, have a nice day lol
 
@GamErix Yes, indeed I'm from Poland. But I consider myself a citizen of web community ;)
 
user1182183
::P
 
@BartekBanachewicz But not always sometimes it seems to behave different, for example if I add a new filter or something.
 
8:02 AM
@Nils Please link to my posts about the actual issue, not random ones. Well, too bad. You might look into inner xml of .vcxproj files and sort it there.
I never really felt the need to sort them in arbitrary order
 
Yay, they finally uploaded my result on the internet.
I got an A in English, but only a B in my native language. Weird.
 
@ApprenticeHacker I got 98% in English compared to 63% in Polish. I don't see how it's weird, really.
 
Guess it's pretty common then. English is the global language after all.
 
(1) expectations are generally higher for your performance in your native language than in foreign ones, and (2) much of your grade isn't about language skills at all, especially in your native language
It doesn't mean "you're better at English than you are at your native language"
 
Yea. I was too lazy to add that, actually, thanks @jalf.
 
8:12 AM
It means "your performance relative to what is expected according to the criteria for the English exam was better than your performance relative to what is expected according to the criteria for your native language exam"
 
Apparently some people haven't heard of Qt: benzilla.galbraiths.org/2012/08/27/pixate
@ApprenticeHacker Congrats on the As :)
 
@Nils thanks. But believe it or not my evil parents are disappointed. My dad got 6 A*s, 1 A and 1 B. I only have 2 A*s, 3 As and 3 Bs. :'(
A* => (British) A+
 
@Nils Some people haven't heard of code reuse, cross platform UIs :) Not every GUI is well served with a large lib. QtGui.lib was 211483kB in 2009
 
I believe today it's still 10 MB after compression.
QtCore + QtGui
 
8:20 AM
Opera Mini for Symbian S60 and Symbian Anna is written in Qt right?
Oh damn, I have to go now.
Bye, all
 
8:46 AM
I am a servlet demigod!
 
I thought we found a conclusion regarding Qt yesterday.
 
9:11 AM
Duh, I need a ride. Like totally epic - steampunk - like a sir ride to my uni, for everyday use.
 
9:23 AM
Hashing question: Can I use std::hash or std::tr1::hash to hash ANY object? If not why not?
 
It doesn't always make sense
 
humm
Can't it just look at the object as a bunch of bytes and create a hash over them?
 
You can, but that'd be an error in some cases
some objects may have several different representations which should be treated as equivalent
say, it might have a cache member which should be disregarded when computing the hash
or it might have a pointer member, and the hash should process the pointed-to data, rather than the address stored in the pointer itself
 
members are not in the object unless they are virtual
well it's just a POD struct
 
try applying a blind byte-wise hash to a std::string and see what that gets you ;)
@Nils A moment ago it was ANY object ;)
 
9:28 AM
yeah I see the problem now
but I need something which hashes a bunch of bytes
given n bytes I need a fixed size hash which has a high probab of being unique
or..
I might have a static id field which is 0 at the beginning
that would solve it I think
:)
 
Sounds like MD5 or SHA1
Though maybe that needlessly complicates things
 
Boost has an extensible hasher, but I forget where it is.
 
isn't the algorithm typically used for hash tables pretty simple? Something like hash += input byte % some prime for each byte?
 
Daamn. Just watched "why resharper is awesome". Too bad C++ doesn't get that support -.-
 
10:10 AM
@jalf yes, but there's no fixed size
If that were in any way important at least
Apparently there's no way to tell if an object is empty of members without using a loop in javascript. I am disappoint
 
10:27 AM
@ApprenticeHacker What on earth gave you that idea?
My guess is google told you that Opera Mini runs on the Spice Qt phone. Blarrg
I watch that everyday. When I use it.
Linky though?
 
@sehe "Linky though?" ?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ""Linky though?" ?"?
 
Stack overflow detected.
 
:) Do you have a link to that presentation? I wager there will be >3 vids with that title :)
You know, Resharper being so awesome and stuff
 
10:29 AM
yeaaa... It was from their page. jetbrains.com/resharper
 
Ah/ thx
 
I have such an urge to learn Breton
 
Anyone care to review? I'm not sure I didn't write something quite stupid. Seems ok at first glance, but still... stackoverflow.com/a/12156922/752976
 
Do I get a notification from Stack Exchange if my bounty is about to expire? I set a bounty on a question of mine, but I don't want to forget to reward it to anyone, since I want to wait for some other answers first.
The bounty expires in five days.
 
@daknøk I think it does. But I don't kow how much time in advance
 
sbi
10:42 AM
All is not lost on this planet, when I just have to post the name of Vonnegut to receive a star.
 
@daknøk fairly sure it tells you once it has expired, and that it will auto-reward in a day
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not quite the most convincing vid IMO. I hate how absolutely slow things are done. And how they stop when they reach mediocre code style.
It would be so much more convincing if they showed you how you'd reach code equivalent to handcrafted code in style (naming, formatting) but in mere seconds. A few local renames to make the job complete
 
@sehe So it's even more frustrating that that crappy vid is more that C++ VS has.
 
sbi
Close votes, please, for this one. There must be dozens of those questions.
 
@thecoshman auto-reward...? award I hope
@BartekBanachewicz Yup. Learn to live with it. C++ isn't C#. Or java. I love that. I pick my tools for the job. And don't look back in envy
@sbi Agreed
 
10:48 AM
But @sehe, it's not that they can't! They just don't want to, to push C# into the market. Okey, c# is funky sometimes, but it isn't near half as beautiful as C++ is. Then loads of Xna guys spawn and claim they "code" their games -.-
 
@sbi I seem to spot a paradox there. Did you mean to say the inverse of what your statement actually says?
 
Also hi.
 
sbi
@sehe No.
 
Xeo
Gah, how can I get bjam to do what I want x_X
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ahem. Learn about metadata, modules, concepts, preprocessor inflictions. That said, with the ever-increasing computation power of computers and C++ modules looming on the horizon, we might get there some time in the future
 
10:51 AM
@sehe brain fart :P
 
sbi
@Xeo Through hoops and by getting your brain raped. It's notorious for being very complex and hard to wrap your head around.
 
Xeo
I execute it, with a "boost-build.jam" in the same folder, and it tells me it cannot find "boost-build.jam". :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz basically, it is much more a matter of infeasibility or relative infeasability (i.e. it would be clumsy to get it all consistently working, especially with regards to compile flags, include paths etc.) than just a refusal from IDE vendors.
@Xeo Unicode dash? <grin/>
 
Xeo
can't be, it already built the libraries once, but not for static runtime link
and now I try to build those
 
hi
 
10:54 AM
@sehe I don't care if it works with strict 100% code. If it helps me do everyday job (stub methods, simple refactoring, etc.), it's ok. I am human, after all - no machine will handle exceptional conditions better.
 
we have launched a product -30 days since lauch
Just want to ask a question about desktop software market
very less traffic to the website
it this good
got 3 sales till now
what you think?
 
@techno Donuts. Steampunk. Pink. Meta-vector.
Ah, you meant about your great commercial success? Cool, I guess.
 
are we doing good?
 
Hell, it depends.
If you're selling space shuttle software for 10M$ each, probably it's ok.
If it's 2$ app for smarthphones, probably not.
 
our product is priced at $30
i know there are lot of factors effecting conversions
just want to know about your openions
 

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