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4:00 PM
@KonradRudolph That's why the XKCD article was so... not needed.
In fact, I'm pushing week 2 of my new found freedom. Honestly. It's just about the same as it was before, minus a ring on my hand. I liked that ring.
 
@Ell I don't have a tragedy :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Robots don't have emotions, do they? So the only tragedy would be a BSOD, which i hope you're not based on a windows platform.
 
ah shucks. My excuse for insensitivity: I haven’t been in the chat for ages, and even before that only sporadically :/
 
That would be a tragedy.
@KonradRudolph It's cool.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not yet
 
@Drise Oh cool, you didn't cast doubt to my intelligence and instead went for the wishy-washy emotions thingy stuff.
 
I liked that ring.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Robots are only as intelligent as the people who programmed them, no? So it's irrelevant.
 
Cool, our propaganda plan is working.
 
The awesome thing about that ring: It shines just as nicely as it did when she gave it to me in November. Tungsten carbide is awesome.
 
You remember that idiot politician who said something about raping and pregnancy?
A Dutch politician just said about the same.
 
4:15 PM
@daknøk Scroll back a couple hours, and you'll find extensive (excessive?) discussion of it.
 
Nice.
 
Poll time again: Would a "Please show me an instructive implementation of a deque as per the c++ spec." be 1) closed (not constructive) 2) Downvoted (-3 or worse) 3) Actually find a gem or two?
 
@CaptainGiraffe why not post it to clc++m. just don't use an "@gmail.com" address, because the mail systems currently sends those to the big bit bucket in the sky.
 
@CaptainGiraffe My guess would be downvoted and closed -- but if you wrote a minimal implementation and posted it to CodeReview it would probably get a reply or two, and probably at least a couple of up-votes.
 
@JerryCoffin I was thinking Programmers to maybe be the lesser of evils. CodeReview is of course a very viable option.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Sry Alf, what is clc++m?
 
4:20 PM
@CaptainGiraffe That sounds like a fun thing to do
 
@CaptainGiraffe Usenet -- comp.lang.c++.moderated (of which Alf is the local expert, being one of the moderators there).
 
Google groups?
 
Or rather please recommend a host and a some client software where I can get in touch with Usenet again. Thanks Alf
 
@CaptainGiraffe You can (or at least used to be able to) get to Usenet via Google groups, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were to fail in this case, given the ban on @gmail accounts (posts to a moderated newsgroup are emailed to the moderator(s), then they post them, so if they're filtering gmail addresses, chances are they won't even see an attempted post via Google Groups).
 
4:24 PM
Is it... odd... that a female coworker of mine got a giant smile on her face as she told me she was sorry to hear that me and fiance broke up?
 
Am I reading too much into that?
 
@JerryCoffin I don't have a gmail adress on my google account I have a proper one.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf =) Yes, I'll try my very best not to.
 
@Drise Make sure you're not imagining things.
 
@Drise Maybe -- some people smile for odd reasons. It might be, for example, from nervousness talking about an uncomfortable subject.
 
4:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I almost am sure I remeber thinking "why the fuck is she smiling?"
@JerryCoffin Possible.
 
@Drise That would have been a valid question at the time. Unless you cared for the smiling woman in a GF way
Any neat clients I can use to persue clc++m?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Well, I think she's about 26, and I just turned 20. She's ... date-able... but not particularly my type per say.
 
@Drise If I were a betting man, my money would be on she was telling you she was interested, in a socially fashionable way. (Isn't it "per se"?)
 
I think my biggest flaw when it comes to dating is that I'm quite the introvert.
 
I'm not a betting man though.
 
4:29 PM
@CaptainGiraffe It very well may be per se.
 
You just turned 20, also. How do you feel about the breakup?
 
@CaptainGiraffe It wasn't really a flirtatous smile, is was more of a surprise smile, like she got really excited.
@CaptainGiraffe It's quite unfortunate, we were a great pair, but career choices made long distance issues.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes, it's "per se". It's latin, but I've seen many native English speakers writing "per say", I suppose because that's how they pronounce it.
 
@CaptainGiraffe For years, I used Gravity, and still like it better than the others I've looked at -- but it's Windows-only, and I don't remember whether you do Windows or not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's quite valid - "how they pronouce it".
 
4:32 PM
Where should I call the static init method ?
 
@JerryCoffin I frown upon Windows apps because of the Wine compatibility charts.
@NeelBasu In a java app?
 
@CaptainGiraffe No its C++
 
@Drise Sorry, what do you mean with the part in quotes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd understood it to mean that pronunciation was a valid reason for misspelling.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm saying that's a valid reason, specifically because that's why I spelled it "pre say".
 
4:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes He did the classic mistake of doubling -talk and "quote"
 
ASCII porn? Where?
 
per se is very commonly used in Dutch as well.
 
@Chimera Google it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Google knows all.
 
@StackedCrooked The Dutch always surprises with etymology =)
 
4:35 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Yes -- if you're not running Windows, it'll probably (at best) feel fairly foreign so it's probably not the best choice under the circumstances.
 
@Chimera asciipr0n.com/pr0n Safe for some works.
 
@JerryCoffin Any open servers running comp.lang freely?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I will check it out after work. :-)
@CaptainGiraffe Wow, is NNTP still kicking? It seemed like it was going away...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose that's the only pr0n robot understands?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Alf already linked to Eternal September. I've used at least one other, but it was long enough ago that I'm not sure if it's still around, and even if it is I can't remember the name. Eternal September is pretty good though.
 
4:38 PM
@Chimera I hope not. Oh I was afraid to click Alf's link considering the title =)
 
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DriseI have a QTreeWidgetItem added to a QTreeWidget: QTreeWidgetItem* item = new QTreeWidgetItem(ui->trwPairs); item->setFlags(item->flags() | Qt::ItemIsEditable); If the item is edited, I want to do a few checks on the new value: Pairs::Pairs(QWidget *parent) : QWidget(parent), ui(new...

Anybody?
28 views is pathetic.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh I was afraid to click Alf's link considering the title =)
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah, a bit scary sounding, but a real (and quite good) Usenet server anyway.
 
Would you say SO has reached its Eternal September stage?
 
ANybody use the Pan news reader?
 
4:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do we get lots of questions about i+++++i?
 
@JerryCoffin I'm glad it's still possible to find free NNTP servers.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm?
 
@Chimera I'm glad they exist, but find it hard to get excited about using them. Unmoderated newsgroups are slow and full of spam. Moderated newsgroups have less spam, but they're substantially slower still. I've thought of some ways to deal with spam I think are technically feasible, but deployment would probably be difficult.
 
@JerryCoffin I remember the days of using them before SPAM was a problem.
 
4:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe you're too young to remember. (I am too, but I have memorized large portions of the Jargon File)
 
@Chimera As do I -- but eventually it just became too much.
 
@JerryCoffin It's a freaking shame.
 
ideone is slow today
 
I like the date on that eternal-september.org site.
> Today is September, 6937 1993, the september that never ends
 
@JerryCoffin ideone.com/Cua8e
 
4:50 PM
What's that supposed to mean?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was my first year on the proper internet.
 
Amazon, stop advertising me PFPL or I might just pre-order it. Grrr.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I just had my first birthday then.
 
@Drise I was attending lectures on Quantum Physics =)
 
@CaptainGiraffe Sorry to make you feel old :/
 
4:52 PM
I know there probably isn't a real answer to this question, but how hard is it to write a compiler for a simple language that can generate assembly code for a given platform?
I've always wanted to write a compiler.
 
@Chimera non-trivial
 
@Chimera Easy with the LLVM.
 
@Drise Yes, that is a given. :-)
 
Also easy if you consider CIL or Java bytecode as "assembly code for a given platform"
 
@Drise I don't mind =) I'm a university teacher by profession and my students and I carry a lot of dialog that is very lifegiving to both parties.
 
4:54 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Neat. What do you teach?
 
@Chimera Depends on the language. Forth, easy.
 
@ecatmur I thought about just implementing a simple BASIC type language.
 
@Drise CS, algorithms, c++ OC, some Java EE and C#.NET=) programming theory and that kinda stuff.
 
@CaptainGiraffe For non-traditional students, what do you think of places like University of Phoenix?
 
@Chimera It's a hoax.
 
4:57 PM
for profit schools are all scams.
 
@Drise I'm quite an afficionado on the whole network architecture stuff too, so you'll find me agreeing with REST alot (REST: google Fielding)
 
@Drise I've heard good things about University of Phoenix, they are regionally accredited..
 
@Chimera ABET or go home
 
But I wonder what the consensus is.
ABET?
 
@Chimera I have no idea. I would like to say go to a proper university where you have people.
 
4:58 PM
ABET, incorporated as the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology, Inc., is a non-governmental organization that accredits post-secondary education programs in "applied science, computing, engineering, and engineering technology". The accreditation of these programs occurs mainly in the United States but also internationally. , around 3,100 programs are accredited, distributed over more than 660 universities and colleges in 23 countries. ABET is the recognized U.S. accreditor of college and university programs in applied science, computing, engineering, and technology. ABET al...
 
@Chimera The first time you do it, it's pretty hard -- you need to learn techniques and/or tools that are fairly unusual otherwise. Once you've done it a couple of times, you can whip out a compiler for a simple language in a (perhaps somewhat longish) day.
 
@Chimera I think he's just advocating STEM majors.
 
@JerryCoffin Wow, that's encouraging.
 
@Rapptz What other majors are there? MRS?
 
@Drise Liberal Arts.
 
4:59 PM
@Rapptz MRS?
 
Why is everyone talking in acronyms?
Or, WIETIA?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not an acronym
 
Just for the argument about schooling. I have yet to turn out one of my students in unemployment, and that is after 13 years of what I do. Every single one have had one or more offers they accepted.
 
Wut.
@Drise Then what is it?
 
Well, none accepted two offers but I think you get my drift.
 
5:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Anything that isn't a Science, technology, engineering, or math major is an Mrs. major.
 
@Rapptz Seems Univiersity of Phoenix isn't ABET accredited. Perhaps I will have to find a local traditional university that offers night classes.
 
And the letters MRS just came out of nowhere?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Misses. Mrs. Go find STEM boy and get married major.
 
@Chimera I wouldn't call it exactly a hoax. If you want to learn, you can undoubtedly learn a fair amount there. Degrees from (most) other schools will get considerably more respect from most employers though.
 
5:04 PM
@JerryCoffin True, but there is a lot of other stuff you don't learn from an online course. The biggie being "Why does not my evaluation of this stuff look any good"
@JerryCoffin Also people.
 
@Drise Then I'll bitch about people speaking in capitals.
I can always find something to bitch about.
 
@Drise Politics. Business Administration. Languages. Medicine, if you don't categorise that as a science. All of those subjects have plenty of scope to make a successful career out of - if you're good enough. And I doubt there's much of a bias toward people called 'Mrs' in any of those
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've heard people in Capitals speak; Am I misinformed?
 
@TomW Med is surely a science, as is Political science.
 
@TomW Politics is Science, as is Medicine.
 
5:07 PM
Business can be classified as math.
 
Why couldn't you say Lawyer?
 
Language..... MRS.
 
@JerryCoffin I wish there was a place to go to ask several thousand HR departments.
 
Ah - science in the sense that you'll be awarded a BSc? Not in the sense of hard science?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Unless I'm badly mistaken, University of Phoenix has classes in class rooms in addition to online courses.
 
5:08 PM
Translators make a good living. I know one
 
@CaptainGiraffe University of Phoenix has classroom courses as well.
 
@TomW Yea, science not in the "I put chemical A into chemical B and watched what happened"
 
@Chimera Awesome! Not sarcastic, I'm a swedish Uni Teacher and we have been free since the 60's
 
@Drise So, science in the sense of "not an MRS degree"?
 
@Chimera isn't there a business or interviewing stack exchange site?
 
5:10 PM
It sounds like a pretty vague and broad definition of science you're using.
 
The unfortunate aspect to US secondary education is that it's less now about learning, and more about making $$$
 
@Collin I don't know, but I will check.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Precisely.
 
There is a list of STEM majors on Wikipedia.
STEM fields is an acronym for the fields of study in the categories of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. The acronym is in use regarding access to work visas for immigrants who are skilled in these fields. The initiative began to address the perceived lack of qualified candidates for high-tech jobs. It also addresses concern that the subjects are often taught in isolation, instead of as an integrated curriculum. Maintaining a citizenry that is well versed in the STEM fields is a key portion of the public education agenda of the United States. Definition The exact defin...
 
Thanks, that helps a lot. Now all I need is a definition of MRS that doesn't include "Science" in it.
 
5:11 PM
So How does Uni oPh make money?
 
@CaptainGiraffe It's a completely for profit school.
 
@CaptainGiraffe It sure would be nice if the U.S. provided for free secondary education, or at least at a greatly reduced rate.
 
@Rapptz Doesn't seem to include politics. Or law.
 
I think I'm remembering "The Workplace" workplace.stackexchange.com
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, like I said, there are some non-STEM majors that are very successful.
 
5:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes English.
 
Political Science is a Liberal Arts degree, IIRC.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Next to impossible -- subjects that don't involve science work particularly hard at legitimizing themselves by using the word whenever possible.
 
It sounds a lot like a term to describe "stuff I don't like" in a demeaning manner.
 
@Chimera Not really. A few things would happen. 1) Quality goes to shit. 2) Scarcity of skilled workers goes away, and high paying jobs become minimum wage.
 
There really should be a quick poll option. I don't even know how I should write the time? Are there any europeans on here?
 
5:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. People from STEM majors tend to have a superiority complex :P
 
many of the most successful politicians and civil servants here studied PPE at either Oxford or Cambridge - Philosophy, Politics and Economics. It's a code-phrase for 'I'm from the landed classes, give me a job doing fuck all'.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, the people from "the stuff I don't like" force me to take their shitty classes. I don't see English majors having to take calculus C or introduction to Object oriented programming.
 
@Drise Unlikely. Lots of scholarships go un-claimed every year. Most colleges would simply have a wider choice of applicants from which to choose, so it'd be based more on entrance exams (and such) and less on parents' income.
 
@Drise As a for instance, Chris Hitchens did not take any Calculus at the university.
 
@Drise you'd have a point if the majority of programmers and scientists could write worth a dam
then again, I'm sure undergrad English doesn't teach you that either
 
5:17 PM
@TomW Why the fuck do I need to know how to analyze literature as a CS major? And have it hurt my GPA when I don't succeed?
 
@Drise You don't, you need to be aware of your surroundings though; not as a CS but as a human.
 
@CaptainGiraffe And have it hurt my GPA. Brilliant.
 
@Drise Yes, why not
 
Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic about the content of those lectures - if it had anything to do with linguistics, the structure of a formal argument, how to write good prose, and so on - then I'd be all for it
 
@TomW WHen I was in University we had to take technical writing as part of our CS degree.
I passed out of the standard writing classes
 
5:20 PM
@Drise You're not your GPA, you are not your post count, you are not your SO rep.
 
My head is like a living room. you can stick furniture in, but it can only take so much until it becomes cluttered and a mess. I'd rather fill my head with useful pretty furniture, than useless ugly furniture.
@CaptainGiraffe Tell that to employers.
 
@Drise That you should.
 
Not a single employer has asked me about my GPA.
o.o
I'm not in IT/CS though, I'm in biomedical
 
@Drise I have yet to find an employer that said, nope GPA too low. Does not happen.
 
So here is my post on worksplace.
http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3495/what-do-hr-departments-think-of-universities-such-as-university-of-phoenix
 
5:21 PM
@Rapptz I watch my employer reject hundreds of applicants because of GPA alone
 
Doesn't happen here.
 
@Drise Does your employer require a degree? Or is "equivalent experience" considered?
 
@Drise Your employer cannot possibly be hiring Uni graduates? If so Google HQ?
 
@Drise Who do you work for?
 
@Chimera Not sure. I was hired without a degree, but then again, I'm an intern. I don't know if "I've been doing this for 20 years, but don't have a degree, because when I started, there were no degree programs" would count, but may be a reasonable argument.
@CaptainGiraffe They are. Mean age around here is somewhere in the mid-high 20's.
@Chimera See my profile.
 
5:24 PM
@Drise Got it.
@Drise Wow, at 42 I'm on the older side... :-(
 
You're 42?
 
@Rapptz yes
 
Ok. My story is as a uni lecturer that have tutored about 120 students for their final essay/paper I have a 119/120 ratio having employment when I give them the final goodbye.
 
Also note that I believe over half if not more hold masters. At least. I know one of my coworkers has 3 degrees?
 
@Chimera Meaning of life, universe, and everything?
 
5:27 PM
@Rapptz LOL yeah! But I really am 42. Haha.
 
@Chimera Happy 42! Enjoy=)
 
I feel sad. I have some University under my belt, I'm largely self-taught with over 20 years in C doing mostly embedded development, but I feel I won't reach my potential without finishing my degree which is going to be hard with a full time job, career and family.
@CaptainGiraffe Thank you.
 
Have you considered going to Community College for part time?
 
@Rapptz Alsy I got the meaning of life when I was 39, the universe about 28, everything still curious about that.
 
@Rapptz I have.
@Rapptz And I probably will for refresher courses. It's been over 20 years since I've been in school.
 
5:32 PM
If I were in your shoes, that's what I'd do. It's cheaper too.
 
@Rapptz Yeah, good idea.
 
@Rapptz and @Chimera you're in the US?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes, Nevada
 
Yeah.
 
@Drise Who cares about that number?
 
5:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes EMPLOYERS
 
@Chimera Most of eurpoe has a "you learn we pay" policy. Sweden is somewhat special in the "We teach, don't pay" policy
 
Where do you live @Drise
 
@Rapptz US?
 
I meant State wise
 
AL
 
5:36 PM
Because I find it really odd that they care about your GPA post-Uni
 
I don't see how this is relevant
@Rapptz For your first hire or two
 
@Drise Maybe I'm special in that I don't care about employers that care about that.
 
When I got hired for research after my graduation they didn't ask for my GPA lol
 
@Rapptz None do. They look at you thesis and go: Dude when?
 
Same with most of my buddies, GPA meant nothing after graduation.
 
Xeo
5:38 PM
can anybody see the repo?
 
Nope
 
Did you make it public?
 
@Xeo Sure I just logged in with my google credentials
 
> _xeo has no public repositories.
 
I think I explictly recall the CEO of the company telling me they usually don't hire anyone below 3.0
 
Xeo
5:40 PM
Nope, just checking stuff :) Don't want to make it public yet, but I wanted to link it for an application (they asked for work samples)
 
@Xeo ok ok no I didn't
 
Proof I worked on MC anon
 
Xeo
agh, but for them to see it when its privat, they need to have a bitbucket acc..
 
5:41 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Interesting
 
@Xeo Yes, if you want something on the Internet to be public, you need to make it public.
 
Xeo
... :P
hmm
I think I need to familiarize myself with that license stuff.. ugh
 
What license?
 
@Xeo Don't use GPL
I think BDSL is good?
 
@Drise No nothing good has ever come out of the GPL.
 
5:43 PM
@Xeo My recommendation is CC0.
But some people may find that too liberal.
 
Public Domain?
 
That's what CC0 tries to do, yes.
 
I know, I just usually see it referred to as Public Domain not CC0 :P
 
Xeo
@Rapptz public domain is different still I think
but what do I know...
 
@Rapptz Just saying public domain is not recommended because some jurisdictions make it difficult or impossible to have something in the public domain (Germany, where Xeo lives, is one).
 
5:45 PM
There is a difference
 
CC0 is "as much public domain as possible", except in legalese.
 
Well Xeo hasn't stated what he wants the copyright to be.
 
Xeo
Well, I don't care what gets done to the source, since it's nothing special anyways
Atleast I think I don't care
/me hates legal stuff
 
@Xeo I think that would be good for you
Beerware is a somewhat tongue-in-cheek term for software released under a very relaxed license. It provides the end user with the right to use a particular program (or do anything else with the source code). Description Should the user of the product meet the author and consider the software useful, he is encouraged to buy the author a beer "in return" (or, in some variations, to drink a beer in the author's honor). History The term was invented by John Bristor in Pensacola, Florida on April 25, 1987, and the first software distributed using the Beerware licensing model was uploaded to ...
 
5:49 PM
@Rapptz Not usable for software.
The only CC license appropriate for source code is CC0.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah right. Software licenses.
 
Xeo
Hm, and then I need to add that copyright stuff into all the files...
Copyrights-101 crashcourse for software, anywhere? :P
 
I like zlib/png, I guess
 
@Xeo I don't know if that's really necessary.
 
Xeo
So, what kind of bad stuff could happen if I just leave everything as-is and make it public?
 
5:53 PM
Nothing.
 
Xeo
Then lets go with that for now
 
Just use CC0
 
@Xeo I think in most jurisdictions you have to explicitly rights to others. If you don't, well, it's still your code.
 
Xeo
So, @R.MartinhoFernandes, how did you make that nice overview page? :P
 
I wish I had a project to work on
 
5:56 PM
you need a readme.md file in your root
 
@Rapptz what sort of thing you into?
 
@Xeo ?
@Xeo Oh, you mean the text below the commits?
 
Xeo
Yes
 
iunno, I'm a pretty general kind of guy. That's kinda why it's hard for me to do things
 
Add a README.md file to the root of repo with Markdown in it.
 
Xeo
5:58 PM
Thanks (/cc @bamboon)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is uppercase actually a must?
 
Dunno.
I know uppercase works :P
But it probably isn't necessary.
 
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Q: C++ program produced many errors

imulsionOk, I'm a complete C++ noob (I only started learning yesterday) and I am trying to write a simple calculator program. I wrote it in notepad, but when i tried to compile it, the cmd produced so many errors it was funny. Can anybody tell me what i'm doing wrong? Here is my code: #include <iost...

"so many errors it was funny" but doesn't list them :/
 

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