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4:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus It does if you want to write some sort of plugin to hide it everytime
 
@JimNorton Implying my comments have meaning (well, that one had).
 
@Neil Not really, no.
 
@JimNorton one of the other users of the room has a bug similar to that as his avatar
 
Also, who removed ?
 
4:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus Then what would it require, in your opinion?
 
@Neil CSS. ._.
 
@Cicada Damn! Does Jerry live on SO? Look at that reputation... good god!
 
You know, other people already wrote UserCSS managers.
 
@Drise I can't really offer advice, it sounds like you've got something unusual going on, but without a more detailed description/code, we can't help you much
 
@CatPlusPlus CSS is weak (though it works in this case)!!!!
 
4:02 PM
WHO REMOVED ? :<
Ah, those tags are useless, too.
 
user784668
@Neil You are weak.
 
@Fanael Oh yeah? You are weak!
 
I just installed a complete dev environment on my desktop in <10 minutes. (MinGW-w64, Qt Creator, Git, CMake). Take that, VS2010!
 
don't hold your breath on this one, we've been asking for a way for mods to know that a user is q-banned forever, and SE refuses every time. Your feature would reveal that the user is q-banned - no other reason someone would be asking for permission on a public room - and I don't think SE will let regular users know something they don't let moderators know. — Yannis Rizos 2 hours ago
We could just not let them in at all!
One day I'll make a better chat.
 
user784668
@rubenvb I just installed complete dev environment on my desktop in <1 minute (gcc, eclipse, mercurial, scons). Take that.
 
4:07 PM
@CatPlusPlus Another way would be to suggest that room owners can set a rep minimum to join.
 
@Fanael damn you. I had to figure out what to download to make Qt Creator clone my git, add my key etc...
 
And it could even be rep-blocked, since you can auth with SO API.
 
@Fanael Half a second. Beat that.
 
I suppose the 20-rep min. already keeps out the majority of the annoyances.
 
@Neil dafuq?
You should be able to get downvotes in chat.
 
4:07 PM
@Mysticial Eh, rep is really arbitrary and doesn't matter much.
You can be a shitty contributor and have 10k easily.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hey! Watch it. You're really close to insulting me ;-)
 
@CatPlusPlus I meant that we could set a min rep of like 100 or 500 - just to keep out the spammers.
I'm not talking about 10k+ or anything.
 
But then we exclude people who are fun to chat with, but have low rep.
 
user784668
@Neil Notepad+notepad+notepad+notepad is not a complete dev environment.
 
@Fanael Well, obviously. It's vim+vim+vim+vim.
 
user784668
4:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus You compile with vim?
 
@Fanael compiles in his head
 
I said environment, not text editor.
 
@Fanael Thought we were just topping each ohter
 
Let's charge everyone 5$ to chat.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus $6.
 
4:13 PM
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Q: Downvotes in chat

rubenvbThere should be an option to downvote in chat. Chat is very tied to SO, and almost all rooms have well defined basic rules. I believe strongly that being able to downvote off-topic or run-by questions in chat would very much discourage such irritating behavior. It is also much more humane than ...

My first (I think) non-duplicate question on Meta.
 
Or ignored, really. Just look at the list.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus
 
I know Meta is a bitchy place. Can't be much worse than here.
Anyone know a good way to generate fast automated testing of a bigint class?
As in, me not typing every interesting bit combination for it to test?
 
348 feature-request + chat
24 feature-request + chat + status-declined
74 feature-request + chat + status-completed
Okay, so most are ignored.
 
One of my coworkers just told me he purchased 40 pairs of socks.
 
4:17 PM
damn SO, Y U NO respond to our feature requests?
 
Ask him if they're poopsocks.
 
fap socks
 
@TonyTheLion SE (FTFY)
 
I'm sure
@rubenvb same difference
 
@TonyTheLion oh gotcha. -0==+0
 
4:18 PM
@JimNorton Perhaps looking at my avatar will clarify her comment.
 
x86 is guaranteed two's complement, right?
 
user784668
@rubenvb Yes.
 
lucky me :)
 
@rubenvb For integer types, yes. For FP, no.
 
user784668
4:20 PM
Three's complement is better.
 
@Fanael Three's not a complement, it's a crowd. The next C standard should endorse "three's crowd" integer representations.
 
oh downvotes on Meta!
 
user784668
@rubenvb You have been metadownvoted!
 
@Fanael down-metavoted!
 
user784668
@rubenvb Meta yourself.
 
4:25 PM
What's this all about?
There suddenly seems to be a lot of feature requests just to keep questions out of a single SO room... — Ben Brocka 28 secs ago
 
user784668
Meta idiots hate the lounge.
 
I can't find any feature-request chat questions mentioning C++
Come on. I'm at -2. Need backup!
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Q: Downvotes in chat

rubenvbThere should be an option to downvote in chat. Chat is very tied to SO, and almost all rooms have well defined basic rules. I believe strongly that being able to downvote off-topic or run-by questions in chat would very much discourage such irritating behavior. It is also much more humane than ...

 
user784668
@rubenvb I can't downvote you, sorry.
 
Oh, am I now doing exactly what this question is about?
@Fanael That'll need an explanation, boy. :P
 
@rubenvb I removed my down-vote, since it's not a bad idea, I just don't think we need it.
@rubenvb Jalf mostly
The vote counts on this question still make me giggle
 
4:33 PM
@MooingDuck bad for you that the accepted answer has so less upvotes, otherwise it would be a candidate for the populist
 
Damn. Meta really deserves the gray colour scheme. Makes me feel like I'm in some post-apocalyptic wasteland ruled by fanatics.
7
^ exaggeration
 
damnit
how do you strikethrough in comments?
I tried both --- and <s>
 
try <strike>
I'd like to know as well <strike>though</strike>
damn
 
@rubenvb What? You can't be serious!
 
@JerryCoffin It feels like you need to have a 10-page document detailing proposed change before thinking of going there.
With environmental statistics included.
 
4:39 PM
@rubenvb more specifically, you have to have a thought out proposed change.
"we should add red" is bad. "we should add this red here" is better.
 
@MooingDuck Then where is the discussion element? I like an idea that is then discussed much better. A fleshed out idea out of the blue is very one-sided.
 
@rubenvb I suspect that depends on the nature of the proposal. I've made one proposal that was fairly well received despite being fairly short (but it was still reasonably detailed).
 
(and why)
 
I understand their feelings though. I just don't have the time to think it all out. That's what I thought meta was for. Discussing Stackoverflow. Like metaphysics, discussing physics.
 
@MooingDuck Let me see if I can cook up a better example.
 
4:42 PM
@rubenvb I need to make a meta question at some point
Oh! I have enough rep on meta to downvote now! Hooray!
 
lol
 
@rubenvb Meh, that's silly. Just ban the fuckers.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes mods have been known to be slow.
and remember that troll we had to close the room for?
 
Mods have been known to be fast too.
 
yes
 
4:44 PM
we should have just voted him under the Chat minimum.
 
user784668
@rubenvb s/have been/are/
 
No intervention needed.
 
@rubenvb If that would work, we should have just flagged him over the threshold. No intervention needed.
 
@MooingDuck +16, btw.
 
we should simply be able to ban people from the room
 
4:45 PM
That's an entirely different thing from downvoting posts.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yet he returned.
 
I know
 
Hello.
 
@rubenvb And you think downvotes would help anything? Don't you think those people are constantly downvoted on the main site already?
Because, uh, well, they are.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes sure, then the chat minimum can have use.
 
4:46 PM
They don't give a fuck.
 
downvotes aren't effective enough, by far.
 
Why are you suggesting them, then?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm more on the "too the little effect on rep" vibe.
 
he suggested -5 per chat downvote, not -2
for one thin
 
and I feel SO downvoted should be -5 or more too.
They're not that common on good answers anyways.
 
4:48 PM
That basically means it can be way less effective that flags already are.
 
user784668
-1000000 per downvote!
 
User has more than 50 rep => more than 5 downvotes needed.
 
robot
 
You need something more effective.
 
I has a problem, for which I are seek ur advice
imagine that I wish to support custom allocators
 
4:49 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes 5 downvotes here wouldn't be that hard to come by...
 
imagine that I wish to use some allocator which depends on static size- like say, an object pool
 
@rubenvb Yet somehow flags are.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes because they're not immediate.
 
this seems to be somewhat problematic when you don't know what internal type a Standard implementation might try to allocate
 
And mods complain about too many flags
 
4:50 PM
@rubenvb They are.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes flags aren't hard to come by, they're simply dismissed
 
Have five people from across all chat flag someone and he's gone for 30 minutes.
 
across all chat is a downside, not an upside
people in the other rooms just click invalid or i don't know just to get rid of it or because they don't know context
so it requires more Loungers to get someone out
 
^that
other chatters see things out of context
 
And downvotes can require more just as well.
 
4:52 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes yet that would have a lasting effect.
 
You're basically suggesting an alternative flag system.
 
Not really. I didn't have bans in mind
I had punishment in mind
 
A ban is not punishment?
 
Punishment?
We can already troll people to death
 
Also, I don't care about punishment.
 
4:53 PM
and with bad trollers, there's usually more than one message to downvote
 
What else do we need?
 
I care about getting the fuckers out.
 
@Cicada derails the conversation we came here for
 
Yeah sorry. Bad habit?
 
user784668
@MooingDuck I thought we came here for derailing. This is the Lounge after all.
 
4:54 PM
@rubenvb Yes. Don't you think that gives too much power to one single user?
Downvote 20 messages of someone you don't like => BAM instant annoyance.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes then put a rep minimum on the downvote ability.
say, 10k.
 
Look, just like stars.
 
or 7.5k
 
@rubenvb That's so lame! What about a regular like myself?
 
heh, the DJ on the radio is asking out girls who call in
 
4:55 PM
@rubenvb Oh, like for flags.
 
@Drise you've been here two or three weeks if I recall correctly. Do more stuff on SO!
 
Just give room owners banhammers.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hmmm
Sounds risky
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I like that one
 
Or at least, using the banhammer requires 3 owners to agree or something
 
4:56 PM
Hey there's already meta posts about chat banishment
 
@Cicada I like that better
 
@rubenvb Usually @MooingDuck or @RMartinhoFernandes or Luchian beat me to it. I'm working on it.
 
@Drise there must be some type of question they don't care for. Qt or GTK or more C like stuff.
 
I have a deque named myDeque , and I want to erase an element in the "i"th place place of the deque with the myDeque.erase(___) . But in the parenthesis a Iterator is needed. How can I do it ?
 
std::next(it, i)
 
user784668
4:57 PM
@georgemano myDeque.begin() + i
 
@rubenvb And that's what you're asking for here, except softer. You want 10kers (not necessarily room owners!) to be able to downvote people out of chat.
 
@georgemano myDeque.erase(std::next(std::begin(myDeque), i))
 
@Cicada Why risky? What could go wrong?
 
@Fanael thanks man
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Think a bit
 
4:58 PM
If you make a gallery room you already get banhammers.
 
@rubenvb Luchian always beats me to the C like ones.
 
The only difference is that you have to manually accept every new user.
 
Mooing duck hits hard on the C++11 ones, and @RMartinhoFernandes Is just a robot and beats me at anything.
 
Putting entire power in one user only is a door open for arbitrary bans
 
user784668
@RMartinhoFernandes I want newcomers to be able to downvote 10kers out of the chat!
 
4:59 PM
Requiring bans to be approved by several owners is better
 
@Cicada All room owners can ban or unban users. And there are ten of us.
 

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