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11:08 AM
@jalf You'll be recognized by your style :)
 
@sehe and avatar.
 
@classdaknok_t Did you check? I'd guess the avatar is missing if the account name isn't even linked
@ScarletAmaranth Old news
Apr 26 at 21:23, by Jerry Coffin
@MooingDuck What was the counterexample? Feel free to add it to my old question on the subject.
 
@ScarletAmaranth plus lists are slow as hell.
 
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Q: Under what circumstances are linked lists useful?

Jerry CoffinMost times I see people try to use linked lists, it seems to me like a poor (or very poor) choice. Perhaps it would be useful to explore the circumstances under which a linked list is or is not a good choice of data structure. Ideally, answers would expound on the criteria to use in selecting a ...

 
@sehe Quite possibly, then why do people always use them :) ?
@classdaknokt You don't say! :)
 
11:13 AM
@classdaknok_t depends 100% on use case
@ScarletAmaranth They don't.
 
@sehe Then why are we encouraged in uni to use them extensively :) ?
@sehe Oh wait a minute, my uni is trash, nvm :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth because they are about the simplest data structure in existence, after pairs.
 
@classdaknokt Incorrect, arrays are simpler.
 
@ScarletAmaranth To learn about them. Reason about them. Learn how applicable they are. Really, apart of optimization problems, it is a valid container (it has nice properties towards iterator invalidation .e.g.)
 
Teachers can explain them in under ten minutes.
 
Xeo
11:15 AM
@classdaknok_t Really? With all the problems that people are having all the time with pointers?
 
@classdaknok_t Not true? Arrays would be way simpler IMO
@Xeo +1
 
Yeah, people can't quite grasp pointers :(
I need to flee this uni :)
 
The pointers thing allow for abstraction, which is why all naturally GC and 'flexible' language seem to center around the list concept (Lisp anyone?)
In practice, the underlying implementation might well be array-based, for the necessary oomph
 
Don't forget to import numpy ...
 
@ScarletAmaranth Who, where, when, why?
 
11:16 AM
Megaupload y u no more exist.
 
@sehe Because python's lists are outrageous :)
 
@classdaknok_t For the same reason as why you need it.
 
@sehe @Xeo I guess today's not my day.
 
Who's day is it?
 
Xeo
@sehe Because I want to share a private file with a friend over the net? ;)
 
11:18 AM
@classdaknok_t Oh I envy you. Days where lists seem the simplest datastructure I can think of, would be a nice day to revisit my crippled tree algorithms that are 'just working' in several older projects :)
 
How do you spell the word woo, in in surprise or excited?
 
facepalm
 
@Xeo No, because centralized storage hosting is too expensive for you to consider buying it for yourself
 
@LearningC "wow"
 
@LearningC Repeat. Repeat
8 hours ago, by Learning C
How do you spell the word woo? As in surprise excitement.
 
11:20 AM
No not wow. More like Woooooooo or Wooh or something like that.
 
@LearningC Fuck that. You ask a question, you dis the answer? Go figure
 
I did a search but I can't find my old question
 
yesterday, by Learning C
@classdaknokt oh lol, didn't know people read messages 2 hours ago. Thanks
@LearningC FWIW, Woah! is my preferred spelling
 
I prefer "Dafuq".
 
What does FWIW mean?
 
11:22 AM
If I have expr1 + expr2 is it defined which is evaluated first?
 
for what it’s worth
@classdaknok_t no
 
@LearningC hehehe. Try here
 
Are these acronyms really used in the real world?
 
@classdaknok_t Perhaps bin.xxx can help out :)
 
Lol
That to far back man
I'm going to ask english.stackexchange.com
Hope it is an English word for it.
 
11:25 AM
@LearningC ROFL Nope. FYI, that 'FWIW' was just because I SCNR. IYAM you're trolling. Beside, this chat is not IRL. IANAL
Go!
 
@LearningC "whoo"
> An expression of delight.
 
Wait give me a minute to decode that sentance
 
@LearningC I'll gladly give you a month. No need to rush
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Dude
@LearningC "whoa"
> An expression of surprise.
 
11:27 AM
i wonder whether the expression of surprise is an rvalue?
 
And "woah"
> Common misspelling of whoa.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb depends on the context.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I'd say a prvalue. My surprise is a statically known, constant value and an can be expressed as literal of the language.
 
hmm
but it has an identity
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Nope, my surprise is stateless, deterministic, exchangeable. My hardware supports it natively too.
 
11:29 AM
SCNR, IYAM and IANAL is no decode able.
 
IANAL: I am not a lawyer
 
Surprise is a catch-block. Hence the expression: I was caught by surprise.
 
@LearningC You are no able decode. FTFY
 
IANAL is an expression of sexual preference
 
IANAL has undefined behavior and can lead to anal demons.
 
11:30 AM
@sehe So why would he use IANAL
 
IANAL is how Tarzan expresses his sexual preference.
 
@StackedCrooked But, you can't say 'I was caught by whoa'. So, whoa is like a compiler intrinsic that causes a known, builtin, exception instance to be thrown.
 
That could be as well.
 
@StackedCrooked Why would he express it? Did he get free pshycho-analysis sessions?
 
Nope, he didn't care about shit.
I mean, figuratively.
 
11:32 AM
I'd say he enacts/exerts/whatever his preference
 
Man there are so many acronyms, it could be another lanuage
 
@StackedCrooked He was known to say "No shit" as an expression of surprise
 
looks pretty generic, unless you scroll down to SO rep ;)
 
21 mins ago, by sehe
@classdaknok_t Did you check? I'd guess the avatar is missing if the account name isn't even linked
^ Yay, I was right
 
@jalf lol
 
11:34 AM
Mandala 101 - I skipped that course
 
Expelleamus! (that's latin for: "Move it to the bin")
 
11:46 AM
is stackoverflow the only what you call 'em that actually uses the meta?
 
// clang segfaults on this program. -_-
int main() {
  []{}();
}
 
@classdaknok_t that's this new fangled verdiac of what ever isn't it?
 
verdiac?
 
Well, if it's supposed to be lambda then ofc it segfaults o_O
 
a) I have spelling skills of a chimp
b) I have very little idea what you call those dodads or how you use them
 
sfw?
 
Yeah, it's reddit post. Only text.
I mean some of the user stories are quite entertaining. The OP's post is quite tragic however.
 
I hate working with code that's older than a day.
 
@classdaknok_t Store your code on a RAM drive :)
 
@StackedCrooked how would that make a difference?
 
Xeo
11:55 AM
@classdaknok_t I assume 3.0?
 
@Xeo 3.1SVN
 
Xeo
Last update when?
 
Yesterday.
 
@StackedCrooked Because being alive is too mainstream ?
 
Xeo
That's strange then
what does clang -v say?
 
11:56 AM
% clang -v
Apple clang version 3.1 (tags/Apple/clang-318.0.45) (based on LLVM 3.1svn)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0
Thread model: posix
 
@classdaknok_t Assuming your reboot your PC daily (which kind of a bad assumption) then you'd have to rewrite your code daily.
 
@StackedCrooked I put it on GitHub.
 
@classdaknok_t That defeats the purpose of course.
 
Xeo
@classdaknok_t Derp, Apple Clang is not the same as the current ToT
Their 3.1 is based on a very early llvm 3.1 svn revision
FWIW, r154936 doesn't segfault
 
Is it really different? I installed it by following these instructions, adding --enable-optimized to the configuration options, and followed by sudo make install.
 
Xeo
11:59 AM
Did you really load the source from the llvm repo?
 
Xeo
Then I don't understand why you get the "Apple clang" in the version output
and not the revision
 
~ $ clang --version
clang version 3.2 (trunk) (llvm/trunk 155832)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0
Thread model: posix
^ Looks a little different on my comp.
 
Xeo
that's what the output should be
 
12:01 PM
Type which clang to find the path to your clang binary.
 
% which clang
/usr/bin/clang
hmm
 
Xeo
@Stacked, mind testing his lambda code just for consistency?
 
aaaah
% /usr/local/bin/clang -v
clang version 3.2 (trunk 155826)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0
Thread model: posix
 
Xeo
Oh, and I didn't notice they're at 3.2 already
 
12:01 PM
make install installs it in /usr/local/bin.
Time to modify my PATH.
 
main.cpp:1:14: warning: expression result unused [-Wunused-value]
int main() { [](){}; }
But it compiles.
 
Fuck I pressed Ctrl-Z in emacs. How do I get back?
 
Xeo
righty, like I said, the apple version is based on a very early 3.1 SVN revision which didn't handle lambdas at all, yet (except some weird parsing stuff)
 
ah fg %emacs stupid suspension.
% clang -v
clang version 3.2 (trunk 155826)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0
Thread model: posix
FTFM
Finally I can use lambdas. Thanks @Xeo!
 
Xeo
np :)
 
12:06 PM
Morning.
 
ohh boy
 
challo
 
Afternoon.
Now I have three different versions of clang installed. :/
 
Three times the power.
 
12:08 PM
Three dragons.
 
Let them fight each other first.
 
No I'll let them fight the bull, GCC.
 
isn't GCC the egg. baby bull
 
GCC is bullshit.
 
GCC's code is horrible IMO. but it seems to evolve well
 
12:22 PM
If I use a moved object is the behavior undefined? For example:
Foo bar;
baz(std::move(bar));
bar.qux();
 
Yeah, that's bad.
 
Xeo
If you're talking standard library types, it depends on the function invoked
Otherwise, consult the doc / whoever wrote the class :)
 
I think it's best to assume that the object is in invalid state after moving it, right?
 
Xeo
Yep
Though standard types are in an "unspecified, but valid" state
So empty, size and the likes can be called
 
12:34 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb why did you delete your answer?
 
because that question sucked
3
 
@JohannesSchaublitb it's time C++ gets static if.
 
__declspec(property()) FTW.
 
12:52 PM
I want Google glasses. Not speaking to your glasses is so 2012.
HeyYo.
 
1:07 PM
Do we get the head to go with it?
 
just knowing the computer language makes one good programmer?
 
What do you expect?
 
@StackedCrooked 0_o
 
@M3taSpl0it that only works for PHP.
 
"Knowing C++" is quite a challenge.
 
1:14 PM
I know C++.
 
@classdaknok_t oh really?
 
Just not all of it.
 
@StackedCrooked yes , but what if someone gives to some problem to solve efficiently and you're unable to solve using that language?
 
Then you're fucked.
 
Problems are language-agnostic.
I want to write a web app. I like web apps.
 
1:17 PM
Sooner or later I realized programming is not easy field if you want to be good programmer :D
you need to learn lots of thing other than language too :(
 
@M3taSpl0it No shit ...
 
It never stops.
 
Have you just had your first CS101 :) ?
@StackedCrooked And thanks god for that ? :)
 
How can I hide hidden files in TextMate?
 
@StackedCrooked what never stops?
 
1:18 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah, otherwise it would get boring.
 
@M3taSpl0it it
 
@M3taSpl0it Learning.
 
@StackedCrooked+1
New languages, new techniques, new apis, new libraries, new methodologies, new paradigms ...
 
Old languages, old techniques, old apis, old libraries, old methodologies, old paradigms ...
 
@StackedCrooked yeah , I need big heart and mind to keep doing that :D
 
1:22 PM
start with latin
 
Broken languages, broken techniques, broken APIs, broken libraries, broken methodologies, broken paradigms...
 
Maelstrom.
 
I dareclaim that in it's current state, c++ is not really all that broken :)
 
But PHP and Java are.
 
That goes without saying, @classdaknokt
 
1:27 PM
@ScarletAmaranth no , why would you ask that?
 
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Q: Is Learning C++ Through The Qt Framework Really Learning C++

user866190The problem I have, is that most of the C++ books I read spend almost forever on syntax and the basics of the language, e.g. for and loops while, arrays, lists, pointers, etc. But they never seem to build anything that is simple enough to use for learning, yet practical enough to get you to unde...

I misread the accepted answer.
 
@M3taSpl0it Because you've come here and stated the world's most obvious fact :) ?
@classdaknokt Well, here's a thing. Not everyone needs to be a systems programmer / designer.
 
@ScarletAmaranth yeah , true , But sadly I'm realizing that late
 
@classdaknokt Also if you're in it only for money, then usually being a system programmer doesn't come with this particular benefit yet you (probably) in all fairness have to think some moar than someone coding frontend to spec.
@M3taSpl0it Just how late exactly ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth As I said, I misread the accepted answer and thought it said something different.
 
1:31 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I'm 25 , now you can already guess
 
@classdaknokt Oh, i didn't read the edit, sorry.
@M3taSpl0it Finished some CS college-program ? Or been programming some really dull stuff for the past few years :) ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth It has nothing to do with it now though I guess , past is past
 
@M3taSpl0it Well, you're not 70, duh', go grab "Algorithms and Data structures" book, OOP design book, c++ or some managed language book and you're good as new in a few months :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth I'm good at programming lang overall but bad at problem solving
 
just another 1337 h4ck3r %)
 
1:35 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I know most of the algos from those books already I think :D
 
^ I guess it likes to write in C
 
@M3taSpl0it "Know algorithms" sounds scary :) They are there just to "show you the way" sort of :) I reckon at least.
 
@Abyx F you, I'm not :D
 
@M3taSpl0it ah, btw, it looks you are new here, so please read newbie hints
 
@M3taSpl0it But honestly, you don't need to be the world's best problem solver to be able to work in this field ... (imho) ... If you can reason about pros and cons of data structures and algorithms and know a programming language or two, there's nothing stopping you from being a successful programmer.
Oh, and sadly, there are "successful programmers" who have no clue about algorithm complexity yet they write some trash code without even knowing it's trash.
 
1:38 PM
@M3taSpl0it Wut? Did someone say something wrong?
 
@sehe I guess not
 
@M3taSpl0it just look at your nickname, it says more than you write here
 
Ah that's what the leet reference came from :) I disregard usernames 99% of the time
 
@Abyx I can change my nick to "Bill Gates" , will that make you think I'm bill ? :)
 
@M3taSpl0it try it
 
1:41 PM
BillGates wouldn't be a bad username.
 
lol
Have I already offended someone here?
 
If you feel offended you must be new here.
2
 
@M3taSpl0it probably not, if you didn't mentioned the J-word
 
Java you!
 
JAVA ALL THE THINGS
 
1:44 PM
@classdaknok_t yep =(
 
@M3taSpl0it And you haven't even met Cat Plus Plus yet! ^^
 
@Abyx lol :)
 
What an idiot.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Thanks god ? :)
 
@classdaknokt I love java too ... in my cup ...
 
1:45 PM
I eat Java byte code for breakfast.
 
@ScarletAmaranth ? Cat isn't the most outspoken here
 
@sehe My oh my, i'm just kiddin' :)
@sehe Tho it might be true that i stole DeadMG's "fame" :P
 
Meh I'm bored.
 
@classdaknok_t It's because java classes come with a cerial Version ID
 
@classdaknok_t keep editing, it helps sometimes
 
1:47 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Wut.
 
@ScarletAmaranth You wish
 
@CatPlusPlus Why hello there cat :)
 
5 mins ago, by M3taSpl0it
Have I already offended someone here?
and context.
 
@sehe To steal it for cat obviously ...
 
1:48 PM
@sehe I like to byte in cereal!
 
I'm never offended.
3
Being offended is silly.
 
Speaking of cats, we just 'bought' adopted one
 
The point is that you offend people.
 
@sehe I just ate one.
 
1:49 PM
fuck sake
 
@classdaknok_t ? where
 
@CatPlusPlus well I didn't say that.
 
another hellish week for me stuck in shitty documentation
 
@thecoshman Don't drink during the day
 
5 mins ago, by ScarletAmaranth
@M3taSpl0it And you haven't even met Cat Plus Plus yet! ^^
 
1:49 PM
expect rage and plenty of swearing
 
hm
 
@sehe it might actually help
 
@thecoshman There's no other kind of documentation.
 
1:50 PM
@classdaknokt Traitor!
 
@CatPlusPlus the anal work methods doesn't help either
 
I suppose they wouldn't.
 
So I had this idea of a social network where you can send messages to each other and post your mood. It's going to be the worst web app ever, after Facebook.
 
@classdaknokt Actually, that would be facebook 2.0
 
And nobody will use it.
 
1:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus that's good because that means I have to spend less money on servers.
 
It'll be a social network without social or network.
 
So it'll be a ?
 
I keep thinking it's Saturday. Holidays screw up my sense of time.
 
Somewhat like [] + [] in JavaScript.
[] + [] === ""
 
1:54 PM
 
"Forever Alone", a downloadable non-networked desktop application that allows you to create a local profile and post status updates.
 
I really need to start looking for a new job. There is no need for me to spend my day this fed up
 
You spend too much time on reddit.
 
^ Quite a beast at 7 kg + and 3yrs/o
 
@sehe Dat your cat ?
 
1:55 PM
 
Dat cat.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yup
@classdaknok_t Irate. My day.
 
iRate ftfy
 
@sehe I like the white small thingie hangin' there ...
 
It's called a toy mouse
 
2:06 PM
oh :P
 
I’m starting to see how the Stack Exchange communities might be off-putting for new users
 
@KonradRudolph Elaborate on that :P ?
 
My Superuser question is getting trounced completely, and I have no real clue why
The close reason “not a real question”, of which I’ve never been a huge fan, is simply applied in ridiculous proportions
 
@KonradRudolph I "saw" a podcast with Joel and someone and they said the average age of people on Superuser is around 15 or something if i recall correctly, that may be the reason.
 
There is a lot of answer trouncing that goes on... its sad and discouraging for new users who simply want to help
 
2:08 PM
> average age of people on Superuser is around 15
seriously?!
 
@KonradRudolph Ill try to look up the podcast.
 
@ScarletAmaranth too much effort :p
 
average age in most rooms is low... not saying that young people don't have great answers... but there is a lot to be said for experience
 
@KonradRudolph Yeah i can't quite find which one it was, it was "kinda mentioned", not a fully fledged topic.
 
mawnin
 
2:13 PM
mawning
sup?
 
sup nub
 
the sky
sup pup
 
for me, the ceiling
 
I finally fixed almost ALL THE BUGS with my pathfinding
now I can move on
 
2:17 PM
i like the "almost" part there ^^
 
@KonradRudolph > The expected age of the whole StackOverflow site is ~30 years old.
> On StackOverlow the tag with the youngest expected age is 26 years old, the tag with the oldest is 36
> The site with the youngest users of the StackExchange network is: Gaming, then surprisingly Game dev, and Ask Ubuntu
> A funny one, on ServerFault one of the tags with the oldest expected age is old-hardware. Apparently older people know more about old-hardware than anything else
 
@sehe Can you check data on Superuser somehow ?
 
seeing “expected” used for a sample mean is … weird ;)
 
That can't be right.
 
2:20 PM
Hard numbers have a pre: they're hard. I don't know the measurement method, but it doesn't matter: everything is bound to be based on profile age, which is not reliable
> The below calculations were calculated with the April 2011 StackOverflow data dump.
> To do this calculation I calculated the Expected Age of each site.
 Expected Age = Summation over each age X of: P(X) * X
 
I'm not surprised GameDev is the youngest
These are cool stats
 
* Several users don't enter their age in their profile, so no answers from a user without an age specified counts.
* Users that are very young and users that are very old may be more unlikely to enter their age.
* Each user may be counted more than once, since I only count +1 for each age that answers a questions.
* Some users may be entering fake age values, although I ignored age values out of an acceptable range.
* We are talking about averages here, so this doesn't mean there aren't a lot of younger and older contributors.
 
Then you get people like hockey-game programmers :)
 
haha
In probability theory, the expected value (or expectation, or mathematical expectation, or mean, or the first moment) of a random variable is the weighted average of all possible values that this random variable can take on. The weights used in computing this average correspond to the probabilities in case of a discrete random variable, or densities in case of a continuous random variable. From a rigorous theoretical standpoint, the expected value is the integral of the random variable with respect to its probability measure. The expected value may be intuitively understood by the la...
@KonradRudolph It looks like the guy actually tried to come up with sensible methods and definitions.
 
I have got to find the podcast ... since data from it directly from Stack xchange crew were way different than the website suggests.
 
2:27 PM
what is that site again where I can find individual user stats?
 
@bamboon ? stackoverflow.com?
 
@sehe ^^no, I once was on site where I could for example find how much Y I still need for badge X
how much jon skeet I am
 
@bamboon data.stackexchange.com ?
 
@sehe ah yeah, that was it, thanks
 
2:36 PM
@sehe I know that the use is correct, it’s just that “expected value” is usually used when drawing a value at random from a population, whereas you were talking about the population as a whole
as in, the statement you made had no probability in it, but certainty about a known value (since the whole population is essentially known)
there is no random variable involved
 
@LucDanton What's annex's licence?
 

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