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12:01 PM
"and another guy didn't want to believe that object data members are variables :)" o_O ?
 
What else would they be?
 
I have no clue o_O :)
What did he think they were ?
 
he said that clause 1 would say they are not objects
 
hmm … anybody got a nice idea for me for dinner?
I’m all out of ideas for recipes
 
12:07 PM
… not in Berlin :(
 
why does Berlin not have Döners?
 
it does – but I’m not there
 
Ell
@KonradRudolph beef wellington :)
 
@Ell Hmm, actually not such a bad idea …
 
12:08 PM
where are you?
 
Cambridge
 
oh
isnt that in the USA
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Dude. Not cool.
 
Ell
haha :L
 
12:14 PM
lol, Cambridge in the USA
 
Cambridge is a city in Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States, in the Greater Boston area. It was named in honor of the University of Cambridge in England, an important center of the Puritan theology embraced by the town's founders. Cambridge is home to two of the world's most prominent universities, Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. According to the 2010 United States Census, the city's population was 105,162. It is the fifth most populous city in the state, behind Boston, Worcester, Springfield, and Lowell. Cambridge is one of the two county seat...
 
They have a 'new' York, too.
 
> It was named in honor of the University of Cambridge in England,
 
Ell
@LucDanton was just going to mention that :L
 
12:16 PM
I'm naming my town 'Oxford'
 
Not to mention Cairo, Memphis, Berlin, Paris and so on.
 
Ell
Newcastle yeah!
 
Lol, Cairo, Illinois
 
@CheersandhthAlf Did you have access to dynamite when you were a kid?
 
woah, seriously. Where did you even get dynamite?
 
12:20 PM
I don't think dynamite can be purchased by mere mortals.
 
unless you live in Afghanistan. :D
 
lol
I think dynamite was invented by a Norwegian though.
 
@StackedCrooked My father used to synthesise black powder and nitroglycerine as a kid
 
wasn't it invented by Alfred Nobel?
 
Oh, apparently Alfred Nobel was a Swede.
 
12:21 PM
his parents had a basement in which he’d built a chemistry lab
 
@KonradRudolph My childhood pales in comparison.
 
back then you’d get the most wicked chemicals for free sales in a drug store
 
weird how the guy who invented something as destructive as dynamite also started the Nobel prize.
 
Meh, McGiver was his close personal friend, he gave him a chewing gum and a piece of thread and voila, dynamite.
 
@IntermediateHacker Dynamite was is more used for mining and demolition etc. It is "constructive" on the longer term.
 
12:22 PM
lol
 
@IntermediateHacker Well, he invented it for mining, and got rich with that
 
oh, guess that proves how everything can be used for both good and bad purposes
 
@IntermediateHacker How does it prove that?
 
Like blowing up things.
 
what good does a torture device do?
 
12:23 PM
That was the point though. He wanted to be remembered as more than the inventor of dynamite.
 
It's a fine piece of mechanical engineering :) ?
 
@KonradRudolph It tortures people, duh.
 
@StackedCrooked And that's a good thing :D ?
 
12:25 PM
morning fools
 
morning dog
 
I guess hanging out on the 4chan subreddit desensitized me a little.
Morning. I should sleep actually, but I won't.
 
@StackedCrooked Long-term side effects may include nausea and mass murder sprees?
 
Nausea yes.
But that's rather short term.
Mass murder sprees I don't know.
 
that reminds me, wasn't there some mass murder somewhere in norway recently?
 
12:28 PM
facepalm
 
@StackedCrooked No conclusive link proved in court, eh?
 
@IntermediateHacker There was something going on in Germany, wasn't there?
@KonradRudolph I don't know what you are talking about actually.
 
oh yeah. It was this guy
 
Ell
is there a observe_pointer? e.g. just a wrapper around a raw pointer with a name? I know @DeadMG doesn't like this, but I want it and was wondering if there was one ready made?
 
@StackedCrooked I’m really just making stuff up as I go along
 
12:29 PM
@IntermediateHacker Napoleon, right?
 
@KonradRudolph A group of scientists found a link, but unfortunately they were caught in a murder spree.
 
It was a link to /b/.
 
So all it takes to get a wiki-page is to kill a bunch of people ? o_O
 
It's one of the many ways.
 
Note: this is not a recommended way of getting a wiki page.
 
12:30 PM
Foolproof but with inconveniences.
 
That's it, if mass murder is what it takes to get your own wiki page, I'm ready!
 
Winning a nobel prize is another way.
 
Might involve listening to a song you hate, and lifetime in prison.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, the recommended way ist to work your ass off for 60 years, make a small but important discovery in your field and get a “this article about a living person is a stub.”
 
I wonder what kind of people I should kill.
 
12:31 PM
@StackedCrooked Oh, how foolish of me, i should have thought of that myself ...
 
Or you could just as well create your own page on wikipedia.
 
With a sockpuppet.
Note: this is not recommended way of getting a wiki page.
 
@KonradRudolph Bitch please, look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber
 
You could also try to win a medal at the olympics.
 
Considering my religion, I could pretty easily get a page by growing a 3 feet long beard and calling everyone I meet an 'infidel'. But that's too mainstream.
 
12:33 PM
There's no need to work for 60 years, all it takes is to sing 2 songs out of tune.
 
Or throw a shoe at a president.
 
Autotune for the rescue.
 
Muntadhar al-Zaidi ( Muntaẓar az-Zaydī) is an Iraqi broadcast journalist who served as a correspondent for Iraqi-owned, Egyptian-based Al-Baghdadia TV. , al-Zaidi works with a Lebanese TV channel. On November 16, 2007, al-Zaidi was kidnapped by unknown assailants in Baghdad. He was also previously twice arrested by the United States armed forces. On December 14, 2008, al-Zaidi shouted "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog" and threw his shoes at then-U.S. president George W. Bush during a Baghdad press conference. Al-Zaidi suffered injuries as he was taken into c...
The picture doesn't seem to be rigth though :)
 
12:34 PM
lol
 
Picture fail :D
 
Ell
what would you call a pointer that is non-owning?
 
> He was released on 15 September 2009 for good behavior, after serving nine months of the sentence.
That's not too bad.
 
Ell
and not non-owning-ptr (something better)
 
@Ell A renting pointer?
 
12:36 PM
> A Saudi businessman offered US$10 million to buy the shoes thrown by al-Zaidi.
He even got rich by selling the shoe
 
The shoes were burned by the US I just read.
 
> On December 20, 2008, protesters in the Canadian cities of Montreal and Toronto threw shoes at posters of George Bush in front of their respective U.S. consulates to support Muntadhar al-Zaidi
And came into pop culture
 
Oh, ridiculously photogenic guy doesn't have a wikipedia page. I guess being photogenic doesn't cut it.
 
oh, googled it.
 
Google "ridiculously photogenic guy" :p
 
12:38 PM
Good job.
 
+1 for Google.
Dammit, my neighbour is drilling holes in his wall at it's noisy now.
 
Ell
drill some holes back
 
It just stopped.
 
lol
TIL: The stairs in my apartment building are not a good place to learn skate-boarding.
 
In my apartment building?
 
12:43 PM
edits FTW.
 
Ell
do you think its a good idea to use observe_pointer<T> instead of T*? if they are the same thing? just for clarity?
 
I don't think so, no.
 
Ell
Why not? all it does is improve clarity?
What are the disadvantages? Besides typing?
 
@Ell observe_pointer?
 
It's clear from context whether a T* is used as indirection (to just one object) or iterator.
 
12:47 PM
You mean weak_ptr?
 
Ell
ohhh
is that what a weak pointer is?
 
No it isn't.
 
I suggest we use:
#define THIS_IS_A_VARIABLE(x) x
int THIS_IS_A_VARIABLE(x);
instead of int x;
just for clarity.
 
Edit that a few more times!
 
Ell
@IntermediateHacker but you dont know what to do with a T* . Well you should, but if you don't, you cant get it from the name. If we used non_owning or observe or whatever then it would be explicit that you aren't supposed to delete or whatever?
 
12:49 PM
5 mins ago, by IntermediateHacker
edits FTW.
 
Yes I do. I can check for nullptr and (possibly) dereference. Or use it as an iterator.
 
Ell
Yes you do what? o.O
 
Yes I do know what to do with a T*.
 
Had a little frustrating experience this week. At C++ training the instructor told us to always avoid raw pointers. And to use shared_ptr in containers. I said that storing raw pointers in container is ok if you don't have ownership. But he kept insisting that that was unsafe.
 
Always ignore the word always
 
12:52 PM
I'll always ignore it from now on.
 
#define always sometimes
 
Always remember to never forget.
 
Owning raw pointers are bad.
 
Ell
@LucDanton but don't you think its better if it was explicit?
 
@CatPlusPlus Agreed.
 
Ell
12:53 PM
and if you are interfacing a c library or whatever - how do you know then?
 
@Ell It's already explicit. So no.
 
Ell
It's not explicit? * doesn't tell you anything besides the fact its a pointer
 
@StackedCrooked I’m with your instructor on this one … for beginners it’s easier just to stick to one schema … at least this will reduce the spurious use of raw pointers in beginner code
 
Ell
you cant tell if you are suppoed to delete it, not delete it, who owns it, if it is shared, etc.
 
You're never supposed to delete a pointer.
 
12:54 PM
Apart form that shared_ptr should obviously avoided unless you actually intend to share ownership
 
Ell
@LucDanton ...why not?
 
It's unnecessary. It doesn't help at all.
 
@KonradRudolph Given the amount of bad code I've seen at my workplace I tend to agree with you. But always using shared_ptr for everything is a bad habit as well.
 
I think my Failbuntu is broken.
 
Ell
do delete a pointer?
 
12:57 PM
@classdaknokt you're a chicken now?
 
@CatPlusPlus I guess that's a feature then.
 
@IntermediateHacker about a week already. :P
 
Argh, I know why gconf2 upgrade failed.
 
@LucDanton I bet you have deleted a pointer at one point in your life.
 
Apparently having an empty file in /usr/share/gconf/schemas is such a critical error, it just CANNOT continue.
facepalm
 
12:59 PM
anyway...
Off to #Pakistan tomorrow. Will stay there for about a month. Will come back somewhere in early June. Inshallah.
 
Ubuntu can be buggy crapware at times.
 
Wee, gconf2 is configured. Now moar errors from compiz.
 
bye, all.
 
Apparently that distro upgrade was half done.
Good thing I didn't try to use Unity.
@StackedCrooked At times?
 
Unity is somewhat of a misnomer given the controversy.
 
Ell
1:00 PM
Whats wrong with ubuntu? o.O
 
unity, apparently
 
It's wrong.
 
Woop, woop, woop, dependency problems.
 
Ell
unity is nice
so is gnome 3
 
so is dos
 
Ell
1:01 PM
and what dependency problems? o.O
 
The following packages have unmet dependencies.
compiz-gnome : Depends: compiz-plugins-default (= 1:0.9.7.6-0ubuntu2) but 1:0.9.7.8-0ubuntu1 is installed
unity : Depends: libunity-core-5.0-5 (= 5.10.0-0ubuntu6) but 5.12-0ubuntu1 is installed
Depends: unity-common (= 5.10.0-0ubuntu6) but 5.12-0ubuntu1 is installed
 
Did you do strange things with your PC?
 
@CatPlusPlus what's strange about that?
 
Like forcing things manually bypassing the package manager.
 
I clicked "upgrade" and then gconf2 configuration failed because of that empty file and then it went downhill.
 
1:02 PM
Or something like that.
 
Ell
why cant you just sudo apt-get install them all?
 
Because it results in MOAR FUN: pastebin.com/UTJHDUGP
 
I'd format the drive and start from scratch.
 
Ell
oh dear :/
Yeah
 
Usually I favour new installations over upgrades as upgrading is usually painful but I gave it ago and so far I'm surprised nothing is broken.
 
1:04 PM
Trying to repair an OS is futile.
 
user784668
Oh, dependency fail!
 
OS is working.
And I don't need GNOME or Unity, so I'll just remove the fuckers.
 
No desktop?
 
Ell
Package managers seem only a good idea for libraries, and an alternate method should be used for applications. Or something like that. There is no solution to it :/
@CatPlusPlus kubuntu?
 
1:05 PM
Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same thing.
 
I might want to try out KDE. I'm not to happy with Gnome myself. (I won't mention Unity.)
 
Let's see why they made Rhythmbox the default player (again).
 
kubuntu is a virtual package you can install on Ubuntu.
 
Ell
But kubuntu comes preinstalled with KDE
 
Good, it crashes on first run.
 
1:06 PM
Lol.
 
Ell
whats the point in getting ubuntu and uninstalling gnome and installing kde, when you can just install kubuntu?
 
Same thing.
Also I got annoyed with Unity's stupid launcher.
 
> rhythmbox-metadata crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_value()
 
And that global menu.
 
user784668
Unity sucks.
 
1:07 PM
What's this new 'Report a problem' box?
 
Ell
try linux mint? IMHO it is very nice
Unity doesn't suck!
 
[root] ~ # apt-get remove compiz-gnome unity unity-common
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies.
compiz : Depends: compiz-gnome but it is not going to be installed or
compiz-kde but it is not going to be installed
unity-lens-applications : Depends: unity-common (>= 4.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
Yes, changing distribution completely is a wonderful idea.
Especially that Mint has the same stupid package manager as Ubuntu.
Big difference.
 
Ell
actually good point I don't know why I suggested it
 
Unity does suck. It's the reason why Ubuntu is no longer the #1 distro.
 
Ell
I was thinking about the Unity thing that people dont like as opposed to your problem :L
 
1:08 PM
I'd install Arch, but am too lazy currently.
 
Ell
its a matter of opinion so lets just leave it there
 
Unity problem is resolvable by installing KDE.
Or any other DE.
 
I thought you were running arch?
 
But changing package managers is not that easy.
 
One does not simply .. change the package manager.
 
1:09 PM
Now, where dpkg keeps its registry.
I will either fix that or break it completely.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus yeah, rm is the best package manager ever.
 
Rhythmbox has a plugin for fetching cover art but AFAICT the player itself doesn't display covers :|
 
Lol.
[root] ~ # dpkg -r unity
(Reading database ... 338932 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing unity ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Victory.
Funny, Rhythmbox just got autoremoved.
And apt-get upgrade works perfectly. I win!
 
btw weren't you supposed to use autoremove back then?
 
apt-get didn't want to do anything with that dependency conflict.
Kept telling to apt-get -f install, which didn't work.
 
1:15 PM
Had a conflict when removing Rhythmbox, switched to autoremove.
It suggested dependees to remove.
 
My conflict was apparently worse.
 
Let's see if Unity now configurable (without hacking conf files).
 
STRUCT_PERSON @tom_mai78101 (STRUCT_PERSON @tom_mai78101){ Oh no! I hate recursive functions...; return @tom_mai78101(@tom_mai78101);}
 
Ell
what actually causes these dependency problems? like how do they get there in the first place?
 
Oh, I can reveal the launcher by moving the cursor into the top-left corner as opposed to the whole left side. That's new right?
 
Ell
1:19 PM
I don't know but I don't like your tone.
 
@Ell apt-get sucking and not doing its job properly.
 
Relax, apt-get is just relaxing. Cut it some slack.
 
@Ell I bring some packages from the Debian repos.
 
I'm pretty sure, after a few days, apt-get will return to normal.
 
I can set my system to send the error reports (like what came in the nice box earlier) and there's an nice link to the privacy policy of Canonical but that policy covers going on their websites :/
 
user784668
1:22 PM
You can set your system to send the error reports tarred together with your /home to Canonical?
 
Maybe? It doesn't say :p
In any case there's still a lack of configuration options for Unity.
 
user784668
You want configuration options? Use KDE.
 
That 'lack of' doesn't mean 'not enough', it means 'nope, there's nothing'.
Well there might as well be nothing. Like the previous release actually.
 
user784668
Sure, I know. Canonical knows better than you how you want your system to behave.
 
Apparently this was supposed to come (the bit about the application menu).
 
1:28 PM
Woah.
 
> Ubuntu 11.10 users can already ‘disable’ the global menu by removing the ‘appmenu‘ package from the Software Centre.
Is that true? Anyone tried it?
 
Not me.
 
Apparently EA might be taken over by a Japanese firm. (bloomberg.com/video/91450228)
 
@StackedCrooked wha' o_O ?
 
It's mentioned near the end of the video.
 
1:35 PM
EA's making 7 billion million gazillion $ a day, why would they sell that o_O ?
 
Meh, it's just speculation.
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's not how publicly traded companies work.
 
Are you referring to my or @ScarletAmaranth's comment?
In other news: Fairy Tail ep 128 is available online :D
 
Tail ^^ ?
 
No mistake.
 
1:39 PM
Isn't it Tale ? :)
Isn't it the anime about a fire mage or sm. ?
 
I always assumed the title is a simple play on words, however, it's not explained. Perhaps at a later point in the series it will suddenly turn out to actually mean something.
 
What's the name of that OpenGL matrix library?
 
@Pubby glm ?
 
@KillianDS Yeah, that's it
 
user784668
1:43 PM
@StackedCrooked wtf
 
I don't see anything wtf about that.
If that unsettles you then you must be new to the Internet.
 
user784668
Nah, it's just a blashepmy. Happy is a parser generator, not a flying cat.
 
Blasphemy!
It's a flying cat!
 
It must be named after Happy then.
Just like Haskell was named after a person.
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1:50 PM
"beat the living daylights out of" lol.
 
std::floor takes on new meaning.
 
I've never heard of someone getting literary smitten before. How does that work?
 
When you whack someone with a book.
 
This person was annoying so I bopped him.
Even "crowning".
 
Domain and server expire in a month. Bye bye money. :(
 
1:54 PM
You won't have to pay the bills anymore.
Do you mean that you now need to spend money in order to renew them. Or do you mean that you'll lose your advertising income because of the expiration?
 
I don't do ads.
 
I figured that.
 
Not that I'd have any noticeable income from them.
 
ohai
what you guys up to?
 
I once tried it and gained 40 ct. However, there's a treshold before the payout is done so I never got my money.
Lol.
The ad placement.
 

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