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9:00 PM
@KonradRudolph No. You've come at the wrong time. We're all in Saturday night mode. :b
 
long-distance relationship
@sbi But so am I! Cool cidre and a text editor. :)
 
If I open_rw before open_r then all asserts will pass.
 
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Gah! Another Saturday night programmer! What kind of losers are you, that you don't have anything more interesting to do than programming?
 
One can write blog article about the programming
 
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@KonradRudolph Ugh. Cidre I'd like. But programming with it would spoil it. Really, you guys need to get out more.
 
9:03 PM
@sbi I could go into down and drink loads of alcohol in a nightclub but I don't like the hangovers.
 
@sbi Like I said, I’m a bit broke right now. And my last two evenings were quite nice, out.
 
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@StackedCrooked Or you could go down and drink some alcohol and have lots of nice talks. Or you could read a book. Or...
 
@sbi And programming is quite interesting, I hardly need to tell you …
 
I used to go out on the town and read a book. I thought it was fun.
 
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@KonradRudolph You know, one can have fun without spending more money than what buys a bottle of cidre.
 
9:05 PM
@sbi Yeah, I could read a book. There's always that.
But I like programming.
I'll start reading books when I'm old and grumpy like you.
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@CheersandhthAlf Well, maybe I could get myself to accept that — from a geek beyond help. You know, slowly get drunk on a bottle of good red wine, and write about programming. Like Steve Yeggie used to do.
@StackedCrooked So you're a hopeless case, huh?
 
@sbi Yeah, but in my defense: there are worse hobbies.
 
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@StackedCrooked Actually I started reading books when I had learned to read. And I assure you I wasn't old and grumpy then.
@StackedCrooked Like playing sys admin on a Sat night??
 
Sys admin, aargh, no. Programming, I said.
@sbi "... and rant about programming" . FTFY :)
 
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@StackedCrooked Well, when you mentioned worse things to do than programming on a Sat night, I had a hard time coming up with something worse. Until I thought of sys admins.
@StackedCrooked I did mention Steve Yeggie, didn't I? :)
 
9:09 PM
Steve Yegge advocated OCaml in his earlier blogs. Later he switched to dynamic typing.
@sbi Ok, the ranting part was kind of implied by that.
 
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@StackedCrooked Oh, so he's spelled "Yegge"? I'm ashamed I forgot.
 
@sbi Ah, I understand now. I taught you had meant "Do you like" abbreviated.
 
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@StackedCrooked When I was working for some other company here in Berlin a few years ago, one of the more likable cow-workers had started out with studying CS at the Technical University here in Berlin. He always dreaded them pushing him to write in OCaml. He said those were the guys who had invented it.
He later dropped out to become full-time programmer.
 
Hm, I wouldn't mind having to use OCaml.
 
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He did awesome stuff with OpenGL. Like making a 2x1m touch table surface behave like the water surface of an giant aquarium when you touch it. That always amazed me. In that company, he was always called when they needed something to look like water, or fire, or some other strange matter.
 
9:15 PM
That's cool.
 
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Yeah, he is the guy who programmed this.
 
this is so awesome xD
strings
 
Yep, just noticed the description.
 
is this still there (in the bmw museum in berlin) ?
 
@sbi Beer, not wine, and not get drunk, but just have a beer or two (or three).
void admitFatalFailure( std::wstring const& info )
{
    using winapi::emptyMessageQueue;

    if( !emptyMessageQueue() || true )
    {
        FatalAppExit( 0, info.c_str() );    // Does not do newlines, does not return.
    }
    else
    {
        MessageBox(
            0, info.c_str(), L"Oops! Failure fatale...", MB_TASKMODAL | MB_ICONERROR
            );
    }
}
 
9:22 PM
@ScottW In Belgium, if a woman says she's full then that means she's pregnant.
 
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@joschua011 I dunno. I've been there in 2008, I think, and it was there back then. :)
The comapny this guy worked for when he did that also did this. You can see it in Berlin's Natural History Museum. (Which has a selection of dino skeletons in their main hall which makes Dippy look trivial in comparison.)
 
^ The code above is interesting in a way, because if one tests it, it shows that FatalAppExit exits with process exit code 0, which indicates success. I like Microsoft. They're subtle! :-)
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Yeah. I had a beer for cooking my dinner (which didn't look half as nice as the food porn you usually post, but tasted marvelous), and one for eating it. And I had a glass of port for dessert. Damn good dessert, IYAM.
 
Progress!
He he.
 
@sbi Have some beef braising in beer right now..
 
sbi
9:26 PM
@CheersandhthAlf If this weren't a Sat night, I'd wonder about that if( x || true ). But since this is a Sat night, I don't, and will have another glass of port instead.
@CollinHockey Oh. I never did that. How do you do that?
 
@sbi It's in a cast iron pan, just heated it up and browned the beef (seasoned with salt and pepper) first. Then pour beer over, add some Worcestershire sauce, simmer covered until tender
Haven't tried it yet, but it smells good
 
sbi
Yeah, sounds pretty good. I only ever tried that with heave red wine, but beer should be well, too.
Do you put a lid on that?
 
@sbi I thought about wine, but we don't have any in the house
yeah, covered
 
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@CollinHockey Ah, Ok. Mhmm. Using beer instead of wine. I should try this, one day.
 
I'm thinking it won't be done for another hour or so, but I'll let you know how it turns out
 
sbi
9:30 PM
@CollinHockey A household where you don't even have some cheap wine to spend on food? That actually sounds despicable.
 
@sbi I'm pretty terrible at remembering to buy alcohol, I don't cook with it often and my wife doesn't really drink it
 
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@CollinHockey An hour? So it's not just a steak, but a full-blown roast, eh?
 
@sbi It's called "Steak for Braising", I think it's a shoulder cut or something
Good couple pounds anyway
 
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@CollinHockey That was one of the best things about my second wife: we drank incredible amounts of strong, Spanish, barrique'd Tempranillo together.
 
hey... the last 25 minutes before data preservation =D
 
9:34 PM
@sbi Mine will drink margaritas and champagne and the occassional fruity "beer". Sometimes some white wine
 
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@CollinHockey Actually, I had to look up "braise". I had never heard it before. But, yeah, some cuts from the shoulder would be called a "Schmorbraten" ("braise roast", literally) here.
@CollinHockey Well, I'm not into champagne, but drinking margaritas sounds fun, too. And I had to teach mine to appreciate the occasional lass of white wine, because she thought white wine is terrible.
 
damn, stop talking about cooking, you!
 
I'm not a huge wine drinker, but we've been getting it more often
 
I’m getting really hungry
 
@KonradRudolph Then get in on this.. toss something on the stove!
 
sbi
9:36 PM
Interestingly, you will have to spend a lot more money in order to get a decent bottle of white wine here in Germany than what you'd need to spend on red wine. I don't know why that is.
 
@sbi Not a lot of whites made in the area?
 
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@KonradRudolph Well, it's only 10:30 where you are, so get your ass into your kitchen and make yourself something decent to eat!
@CollinHockey Here, in the area? None at all. The closed decent wine area would be southern Germany.
 
@sbi I’m tempted to … but oh soo lazy
 
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But she and me somehow got into heavy, strong, Spanish barriques.
 
@sbi Guess that's not that far. I was thinking maybe higher import taxes on it, but I can't pretend to understand the european economy
 
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9:39 PM
@CollinHockey No, I don't think there's higher tax on white wine than red one. :)
 
@KonradRudolph You just need pretzels stuffed with peanut butter - they are incredible
 
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But I really like some pinot blancs, and maybe it's just that pinot blanc is expensive compared to Spanish tempranillo? I really dunno. Pinot blanc needs a lot of sunshine, and it's hard to grow a decent kind of it in Germany. And it seems to be out of fashion in the rest of Europe. maybe it's that?
@CollinHockey Ugh. Peanut butter.
 
@CollinHockey Never really liked either. ;-) Had you come earlier, you’d seen my lunch consisting of hummous (the ambrosia of the Middle East) and bread
 
@KonradRudolph I've tried hummous a couple times, never liked it. Might not have had one that was any good though.. they come in little plastic tubs from the grocery store here
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Sounds decent, too, but not exactly like the feast I had.
 
9:43 PM
I was on an IRC channel the other day, and I tried to press up to edit a typo, and nothing happened :(
 
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@KianMayne Do not press too hard on those hummus tubes. Makes a mess, it does.
 
@KianMayne That tip has just blown my mind edit puff
 
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@CollinHockey You might want to read the newbie hints, then.
 
Ah, missed that before
 
Who makes cauliflower cheese over macaroni cheese? Wtf
 
9:51 PM
sounds tasty to me
 
sbi
WTF is "cauliflower cheese"?
 
I assume it's like macaroni and cheese but cauliflower instead of the pasta?
 
@CollinHockey Yeah
Gunpoint looks epic
 
sbi
@CollinHockey Um. Now I am confused. (Remember, I had those two beers, plus three glassed of port. I have now taken the port bottle back to the kitchen.) So someone makes cauliflower + macaroni cheese over macaroni cheese? What's that even mean?
 
9:56 PM
Sounds like someone who thinks whitish colors mix well.
 
no, just cauliflower + cheese
 
Unless it's brown cheese?
 
substitute the cauliflower in for the macaroni
 
sbi
Cauliflower with cheese on top? Doesn't sound too bad.
My kids often demand I make them fried cauliflower for dinner. They like it.
 
I figure anything with cheese on it is pretty good
I've had some good fried Brussels sprouts before
coated with some cheese
 
sbi
@CollinHockey Ah, Brussels sprouts. I hated them when I was a kid, but those were cooked to death. My first wife loved them, and would cook them to death, too. So I took over, and I did fry/braise them in butter, making them slightly brown, and added lots of nutmeg. I learned to like them that way. (Which was sad, because my second wife hated them.) But with cheese? Really, that's stretching my imagination a bit.
 
@sbi Yep, fried in butter and sprinkled with parmesan
@sbi My mother in law cooks everything to death, I've been training my wife :-P
 
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One of the things I did after my second wife had moved out was to buy Brussels sprouts and to make them for dinner. Yum! I had mercy on the kids, though, and made it when they where not with me.
@CollinHockey Oh yeah, mothers in law cook terrible, that seems to be a universal law. Their mothers, however, often have an interesting knack to share. You want to watch out for that.
Damn, I am drunk.
 
@sbi I'm going to have to start catching up -- time to go finish working on that meat, I think it's almost done
@sbi My mom is an ok cook, but my dad is actually quite excellent
 
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@CollinHockey IME there's very little you need to do with the meat. But the gravy takes a lot of attention and time.
 
10:07 PM
@sbi Yeah, I'm not sure if I'll bother to make a gravy out of what's in the pot, but I guess I do have to make the side dishes
 
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@CollinHockey Same here. Only mine are separated since I was a little boy, and I only got to know my dad when I was ~10. Consequently, it took me a while to find my role as the family's cook.
 
@sbi I've only really started learning how recently (my parents are also divorced) when my dad started really getting into it. He was originally a chemist, so he's got the science of it in him
He didn't do much cooking when they were still together
 
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@CollinHockey Ha! That does sound somewhat dubious, actually.
@CollinHockey Oh, I wouldn't dare to make a roast without gravy. My oldest daughter would probably kill me. ("Daddy, as always, the meat os Ok, and so is the rest — but for that gravy, I'd die today!")
 
Welp, looks like my PATH is too big after all.
Silly undocumented arbitrary length limits.
It doesn't help that some app path names are so damn long.
 
sbi
We're talking of meat, and in comes a @Cat and takes about paths. Really, what's this room got to?
 
10:16 PM
And suddenly everything works perfectly.
 
@sbi Write-only?
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@StackedCrooked I certainly don't hope so.
 
@sbi alright, you've convinced me.. gravy here I come :-D
 
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@CollinHockey Oops. How do you make a gravy as an afterthought?
If I make beef, I always also make some broth from bones and stuff, and then use this as a foundation for a real good gravy.
 
@sbi Actually, I think you're one of the few persons that starts reading the transcript after logging in.
 
10:20 PM
@sbi Oh, I was just going to boil down the juices from the braising and see how it turned out
 
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@CollinHockey Ah, that's the second-best then. :)
 
A gravy-ish thing
 
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@StackedCrooked Actually, I don't do this, because I simply do not have the time.
I do look at the transcript if it mentions me, though, of course.
 
@StackedCrooked Suddenly the room is Perl.
 
$#*?
In school we learned perl and bash at the same time and I got them mixed up badly.
 
10:24 PM
@CollinHockey I usually add flour at that point to help it thicken up
 
sbi
@KianMayne Don't do that. Carbohydrates will consume a lot of the flavor. Instead, I use sweet cream, which you can reduce quite nicely.
 
@sbi Mmm. I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually already old / grumpy deep inside.
@StackedCrooked Hey, don't forget about me
 
@sehe Sorry, didn't know you did that :)
 
sbi
@sehe As a 7yo? No, I wasn't. Definitely not.
 
I don't have a life
(that's actually a lie)
 
sbi
10:27 PM
@sehe You don'#t have a life which is actually a lie? So your life is all true? I am confused.
Did I mention I had two bottle of beer, three glasses of port, and am now deep into my thrid bottle of beer...
 
@sbi I'm not grumpy, but if I were, I'd have been it all my life. My true life :)
@sbi Hey, I had my first beer of the year. Probably the last as well :)
 
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@sehe Well, it was my life that made me grumpy. I had to go through all its shit first.
 
I had Palm bier in the fridge since my wife's birthday (Jan 16) and I thought it shouldn't just expire because nobody drinks it.
 
Palm, ugh.
 
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@sehe Sounds like it si with me and coffee then. :)
 
10:30 PM
@StackedCrooked Now that's a surprise coming from a Belgian
 
I think I only drank Palm once. And I vaguely remember not liking it.
 
@sbi So you drink beer exclusively (like I do coffee/water)?
@StackedCrooked No basis for an opinion then. I like it. As far as I like any beer, really
 
sbi
@sehe No. I drink lots of tap water, orange juice, herbal tea, beer, red (and sometimes white) wine, and some other stuff.
 
@sbi Mainly water, coffee here
And lemonade. It's hereditary (you get it from your kids)
 
@sehe I don't like Palm either, there are much better Belgian beers
 
10:33 PM
@sbi Hah. fixed it :) The beer was talking
Also:
> Sie verwenden Opera 11.62 - Aufgrund eines Fehlers in Opera kann es zu Problemen bei der Darstellung der Seite kommen. Bitte aktualisieren Sie Ihre Opera Version!
 
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@sehe Yeah. I guess I'll never understand when this fucking FF requires me to add http:// in front manually and when not...
 
^ That's pretty surprising since I run with the lastest version as always
 
sbi
@sehe You're using a German Opera version? (It's all Flash, BTW. At least my FF shows me the FlashBlock icon to click on to stat the flash stuff.)
 
@sbi No, but the site is German
 
@sehe I got the same about Firefox 11 and it was complaining I should disable adblock
 
sbi
10:37 PM
Anyway. It's past 12:30 here, and I need to get up at 9 tomorrow, so I guess I'd better go to bed now.
 
@KillianDS Hah. It is a bug with the site then:
> Sie verwenden Chrome 18 - Aufgrund eines Fehlers in Chrome kann es zu Problemen bei der Darstellung der Seite kommen. Bitte aktualisieren Sie Ihre Chrome Version!
 
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@sehe Mhmm. If I open furrin language sites, FF will usually show errors in my language.
Anyway, did I mention I need to go to bed?
Because I do.
Good night, folks!
 
@sbi The message isn't from the browser. It's from the site. Also, the message is the error, the site works perfectly on both browsers
@sbi Good night
@KillianDS: I bet you're on linux:
> Sie verwenden Firefox 11 - Aufgrund eines Fehlers in Firefox kann es zu Problemen bei der Darstellung der Seite kommen. Bitte aktualisieren Sie Ihre Firefox Version!
Why do I feel Wernes Grüner doesn't really get User Agent strings
 
Yes I'm on linux, they fail to parse that in the user agent?
 
@KillianDS Apparently they hardcoded for Windowsy (or known) user agents. My guess is, any browser on linux will generate the false warning.
 
10:44 PM
Hmm, my beer is almost empty.
 
At least lynx, elinks, links, links2 and w3m all correctly complain about In order to view this page you need Flash Player 10+ support!
TIL: from The Daily Wtf:
This is actually a real bug report on VS2010 (gasp):
 
11:21 PM
Folks
@sehe i cannot see what is wrong with that?
ohh!
 
can someone help me with a pattern
 
Knitting patterns?
 
numerical
 
11:50 PM
Repeat 'one'.
 

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