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10:00 AM
LINK!
give us some text that is hyper!
 
You'd think I'd get a "your question sucks because..." comment or two.
I already know why it sucks, it's barely a question.
 
not if yo don't give us a god damn link (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
huh... my angry table flip doesn't seem to have worked
 
it's a C# question, so I won't bore you with it
 
don't make me find a tool to let me do super large text!!!
 
@keithlayne C# is strangely accepted to an extent here. We're real pragmatics.
 
10:03 AM
you're so open-minded
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Q: How should I extend XmlDocument, XmlElement, etc?

keith.layneI am trying to add functionality to XmlDocument that will allow processing of xml that can be embedded into multiple xml document types. After doing some reading (especially since I am new to C# and .Net) I'm pretty convinced that the DOM API is the way to go in my use case. I essentially want ...

I told you it was lame, but you didn't listen...
 
at last! now I can know what it is I don't have a clue about :P
 
and no, I will not make it more specific or put in a code sample.
 
Dec 10 '11 at 0:02, by awoodland
Alf should put his signature in his account name, so it appear everywhere his account name is shown :)
lol
ahem
 
I remember that.
 
so... the tl;dr is, you want to pass an xml dom, looking for src tags. when you find those src tags, you want to get the xml they link to and insert it into the main dom
sort of like a c++ #include?
 
10:06 AM
After being away for awhile I noticed a new user named "cheers. hth"
that's just an example, the simplest
 
@keithlayne that's just alf
 
I keep mentally substituting the 'hth' for "hand to hand"
 
for which I mentally substitute "dutch rudder" for some reason
 
I love reading Jeroen Frijters blog:
 
firstly, I think your question is not really a C# thing. what I mean is, your problem is not specific to C# it would help you and others if you edited your question to make it language agnostic, a purely theoretical question. though you can still point out you are using C# as it might sway how it is solved
 
10:08 AM
> System.Runtime.CompilerServices.UnsafeValueTypeAttribute The documentation for this attribute, somewhat uncharacteristically, actually explains what it does, but I decided to try it out.
 
well, it's definitely a .net API that I want to use
but I know it's a tl;dr question too
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hey Tomalak in chat! Nice to see you around
 
Or lightraces or something like that :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How are you doing? Not very active on SO - or is it me? (I'm really only ever in chat these days)
 
is sbi still reading the backlog?
 
10:14 AM
@keithlayne: Fat chance. He would, surely, have posted 3 relevant tweets, 4 factual corrections and 2 literature references by now
 
well said
 
sbi
@keithlayne Actually, I never really did. Why do you ask? Said something nasty about me?
 
@sbi My guess: you're quiet and he's bored :)
 
@sbi what other kind of thing can be said about you?
 
10:16 AM
@TonyTheLion aloha
 
what's up?
 
Actually, haven't talked to the old gorilla in a while and wanted to say hello
 
@TonyTheLion roll the scroll wheel away from your body, or towards the button end, depending on your mouse orientation
 
I've been ill for the last 24hrs, feeling better now thank god
lol
 
@keithlayne check out my answer, see if it is what you are after
 
sbi
10:18 AM
@sehe I can bore him away, if that's what he's after. :)
 
@TonyTheLion I know that feeling. Have been ill Sunday - Wednesday (Tuesday really, but my son took over)
 
sbi
@keithlayne You got a nasty way to say hello, kiddo.
 
@sbi You might be on to something
 
@thecoshman not at all, but thanks for trying
 
sbi
@sehe I'm always onto something.
 
10:19 AM
@sbi :)
 
@sbi yeah, whatever. I hope you're doing well.
 
@TonyTheLion seems there is some sort of plague going around :P
 
sbi
@keithlayne Thanks, but I don't do wells. I write software.
 
@keithlayne well, in that case, I suggest you see what I have incorrectly assumed and edit your question so it is clear that is not what you are after
 
10:20 AM
@thecoshman oh
 
or.....I could edit it to be more obscure and downvote you without a comment. :)
 
@keithlayne (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@thecoshman I still haven't figured out what that actually means
 
@TonyTheLion it's a flipping of a table
 
vtable
 
10:22 AM
ghosh, what happened to all those Belgian kids in Switzerland is quite horrendous
 
@TonyTheLion :O what happened?
 
I can't even imagine what it must be like for a parent to loose their kid
 
@TonyTheLion ooh
 
@thecoshman Tour bus crashed in Swiss tunnel, and 28 people died, of which 22 kids (ages 11-12)
 
10:23 AM
most kids were of Belgian origin
 
all kids.
all people.
 
tragic
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I was thinking of you Belgians here when I read that. I hope none of your friends or relatives are even remotely involved.
 
@sbi none of my relatives
 
is any one here Belgian?
 
10:24 AM
me
 
oh, TIL
 
sbi
@thecoshman @Tony, @ruben, I think there's more, but I can't think of anyone right now.
 
lulz
and @StackedCrooked
 
yup.
No one I know involved AFAIK.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Oh yeah, I forgot @Stacked.
@rubenvb Good to hear.
 
10:26 AM
@rubenvb are you from the Flemish or French part of Belgium?
 
Flemish.
 
ohh Antwerp
 
could be. There's more to Flanders than Antwerp.
 
so you're a Bart de Wever fan? :P
 
Kind of.
 
10:27 AM
lol
 
Great, overheard my boss tell our tester "the Linux Workstation installer isn't supposed to work. So... install something else"
 
he he he, Flemish
 
Isn't it 'de Wevere'?
 
@rubenvb that's true, but on your SO profile says University of Antwerp
 
@TonyTheLion ah crap. Internetz got me again
 
10:27 AM
@jalf oh
 
@sehe no, why would you think that?
 
@rubenvb didn't think that was public or what?
 
@sehe I'm still active :)
 
@sehe nope, it's "de Wever"
@sehe you speak Dutch don't you?
 
are you guys aware of what 'flem' is?
 
10:29 AM
yes
 
@tony aren't you working for MI-5? Are you the mole?
phlegm?
 
@keithlayne close enough
 
@TonyTheLion oh, just forgot I had that there :)
 
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I'M WORKING FOR EITHER FBI OR MI5 OR SOME OTHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY???
 
@TonyTheLion obviously all the references to sex.
 
10:30 AM
because it's fun
 
flem = spit
 
@ruben wow that didn't take long
 
@TonyTheLion more that sort of mucusy spit you get when you are ill
 
my grandfather also accused me of working for FBI
 
@rubenvb It's what I seemed to remember, you know the usual reason for people to expect things :)
 
10:30 AM
just because I wouldn't tell him what I was doing
meh
 
maybe he does ¬_¬
 
@TonyTheLion Jazeker
 
and what do you do @TonyTheLion
 
oh kewl :)
 
he can't tell you
 
10:31 AM
@thecoshman I can't say that, I was asked by my client not to
 
or he'd have to kill you
 
@TonyTheLion so, freelance?
 
@TonyTheLion fluim :) (In Dutch)
 
10:31 AM
somebody using qtcreator here?
 
@sehe oh yea
@bamboon nope
 
@bamboon I have but am not at the moment
 
@bamboon sometimes, what's the problem?
 
@rubenvb well, lambdas and >> c++11 style braces totally screw my formatting
 
lol
unscrew it then :P
 
10:33 AM
@bamboon that's expected, there's no IDE (except maybe VS) that does that right.
They're working on a Clang-based Syntax highlighter, which should fix all the gripes one could ever have about an IDE's parser...
 
@rubenvb ok, I have to wait then
 
oh Clang Syntax highlighter, sounds cool :)
 
Might take a while still, though.
 
@bamboon that's why I started using VS more
 
surely
 
probably not so easy to write
I've always wondered what Nokia's incentive was to create a framework like they did with Qt?
 
I thought about writing a plugin for that but realized that would be dumb of me.
the commercial license
 
I mean, Nokia is a mobile phone producer
 
@TonyTheLion they didn't create it. They bought it
 
@keithlayne well, for my lightweight uses, it is to bloated and doesn't run on linux anyway ;)
 
10:35 AM
but their phones needed a GUI too :)
 
@jalf ah this explains it
@jalf right
 
as do their dev tools
 
@bamboon I prefer linux too
 
but yeah, now that they're going Windows Phone, it's a bit hard to see what purpose Qt serves
 
supposedly the European Space Agency has used Qt
cool :)
 
10:36 AM
a lot of people are hooked on it
especially the KDE folks...not that they count
 
@TonyTheLion ESA uses QT? where did you get that from?
 
I think Qt could still be good if they fixed some stuff and used c++11
 
It's used for Ubuntus software-rendered fallback GUI too, and a million embedded devices
 
Qt ( "cute", or unofficially as Q-T cue-tee) is a cross-platform application framework that is widely used for developing application software with a graphical user interface (GUI) (in which cases Qt is classified as a widget toolkit), and also used for developing non-GUI programs such as command-line tools and consoles for servers. Qt is most notably used in Autodesk Maya,The Foundry's Nuke, Adobe Photoshop Elements, OPIE, Skype, VLC media player, VirtualBox, and Mathematica, and by the European Space Agency, DreamWorks, Google, HP, KDE, Lucasfilm, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Siemens, V...
 
10:38 AM
no ESA there though.
 
lol, Qt was created by Trolltech :P
what a bunch of trolls :P
 
wow, I have never called it "cute"
 
it's not that "cute" really
 
@TonyTheLion Especially not as in cute small (animals|humans). It is huge
 
I refuse to call it "cute"
it's "Q" "t"
 
10:39 AM
yeah, so much STL reproduced crappily
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit +1
 
yeah, always called it "Q" "T"
 
@keithlayne Partly predated? It has the same feel as MFC in that regard
 
@sehe predated STL? Really?
 
10:40 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hush hush. He might actually be referring to the initial STL by Stepanov
 
ugh MFC
 
We had the STL in 1997 at least in school
and that was my first exposure because, well, I was in school
but it was the SGI version, not standardized yet
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the "t" is lower case for a reason. You don't want to know how many SO questions I edited to fix that.
 
did you get the QT badge?
 
@keithlayne >Partly< - I mean with this kind of library/framework, they usually build on pre-existing container classes. What I want to say, is basically: in those days, using legacy was still the norm since STL wasn't obviously and widely accepted as it is now
 
10:42 AM
@keithlayne yes I did, actually :)
 
@TonyTheLion Haven't actively used Qt much, have much experience with MFC though. From what I've seen, the UI classes/model is a lot saner with Qt, I was referring just to the container classes
 
well, shame on me, I didn't realize Qt dated back to '92
 
@keithlayne Woot. I didn't know that either. But it does lend my idea a lot more plausibility
 
Qt's STL isn't bad at all, it's just different and seems foreign if you're used to std::vector and std::map.
it even has implicit data sharing, which is cool all by itself.
 
> The toolkit was called Qt because the letter Q looked appealing in Haavard's Emacs font, and "t" was inspired by Xt, the X toolkit.
@sehe right
 
10:44 AM
good ol' Xt
 
@keithlayne Haven't seen used it, I think. Is it related to Motif?
 
@rubenvb I always feel pressured to not mix, even though I want to use std classes...I don't know whay
 
> The next major version of Qt will be Qt 5. It is expected to be released in 2012. This new version will mark a major change of paradigm in the platform, with hardware-accelerated graphics, QML and Javascript playing a major role. C++ Widgets continue to be supported but they are no longer a central part of the platform.
what does that last sentence mean?
 
@keithlayne yeah, best not to mix at all.
 
@sehe I think Motif was originally a commercial thing to be less ugly than Xt
 
10:46 AM
@TonyTheLion what they've been doing all along: write your gui's in QML instead of bare metal C++.
 
and then there was Xaw...ugh
 
@rubenvb ah right, something like XAML in WPF
 
@keithlayne Had to google that, but aha, Athena, rings bells
 
@rubenvb no, I don't :)
 
 
10:48 AM
I never used QML. But then I didn't use Qt that much
oooh, pretty
 
@sehe ohh that looks old
 
Neither did I. The demo's are all pretty cool though. Fancy animations ftw!
It's to get a better phone GUI I guess.
 
@TonyTheLion They had 3D versions of some controls at some point, woot: efalk.org/Widgets
 
and I think Lesstif was a free (even uglier) alternative to Motif
 
10:49 AM
@keithlayne absolutely. If you go looking for it, some linux applications actually still use it, I believe
 
there's also zoolib nowadays, seems cool in its simplicity, never tried it though
 
3d had a different vibe back then.
 
@sehe i love it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit looks pretty advanced, in terms of actual UI features.
 
I think CDE on Solaris used Motif, and was underwhelming, even back then
 
10:51 AM
@rubenvb would you believe it, I think their site has no screenshots?
 
Windows was already way ahead on look and feel
 
@sehe I just noticed that. Abysmal for a GUI toolkit.
 
@sehe (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@keithlayne Yup: I still sometimes use ddd (data display debugger) and xpdf
 
Once again, I just want a sane cross-platform GUI toolkit that looks awesome everywhere.
 
10:54 AM
every time I find myself on a project website with no screenshots on it, I close the browser tab
 
I used to use ddd...and kdevelop
 
@keithlayne There'll always be Mac GUI bitches that think it sucks on their fancy Mac.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit boost has no screenshots...?
 
You can even coax GTK+ to look more native there.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what's worse, downloading a sample built for your OS, they make you go through dogslow 'File Area` in sourceforge.net. I closed that tab
 
@keithlayne <neck on the line> SDL?
 
10:55 AM
@rubenvb You know what I mean
 
Qt looks native almost everywhere; Gnome is the exception.
 
@thecoshman How is that a GUI tookit?
 
@sehe admittedly, you can write a GUI in SDL and be cross-platform...
 
@thecoshman you know, I've never used that at all. I mean, @sehe has a good point, but I think I'd use it in conjunction with a GUI toolkit if I needed it.
 
10:56 AM
well, I know that is cross platform and provides a rendering context. I only used it for OpenGL, so I have no idea what it offers beyond that, though I am sure it offers GUI elements
 
@rubenvb You can write a GUI against VESA standard framebuffer devices and be even more portable. [sic]
 
@sehe oh, now your just being silly :P
 
@thecoshman nope.
 
sbi
I keep my middle finger well manicured because its the one people see the most.
 
@thecoshman nope
 
sbi
10:57 AM
Debbie has said a few good ones again, recently.
 
@sbi she hasn't got boobs?
 
I'm going to write a user script that plays a rimshot when @sbi chats
 
@sbi yeah, I noticed a very bad turn of late.
 
sbi
@sehe Huh?
 
@sehe AFAIK boobs are not fingers.
 
10:58 AM
@sehe what :S
 
@sehe no mouse, no touch, no audio, no no.
 
@sbi @keithlayne has found new meaning in life
 
sbi
@thecoshman What I was trying to say was that, most recently, there were a few good ones again. I guess I failed.
 
I got it. But I'm extraordinary.
 
@sbi oh no, it's me. I mean, I too noticed that she has been bad, not sure if they are getting better though
 
10:59 AM
hi all!
 

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