« first day (477 days earlier)      last day (4485 days later) » 

10:00 AM
@sbi I have very bad memory's of a person I knew playing WoW, so I will never play that game
I'm not really a gamer, despite many attempts to become one
 
In a talk from "clang on freebsd" maintainer
 
I have an Xbox, and I have never used it
 
@sbi Being parent is bitter-sweet life. My parents including me are really so much fed up of my eldest brother in the house :( , he's always creating some scene which is damn disturbing
 
sbi
@MrAnubis You can still watch the whole second day here, including Andrei's talk.
 
"nothing gives you job security like C++"
 
10:02 AM
reddit is down for maintenance :( My day is ruined
@awoodland not what I've found
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion See the upside: A day won for you! How will you spend it? What will you get done? :)
 
@sbi Thanks , I already downloaded the three to watch them offline , now waiting for Andei's specially :)
 
euh donno :( I want to finish watching all the talks from GoingNative
 
sbi
@MrAnubis A likely setup for this is that you are the eldest, and have two younger brothers. It's not necessarily yours, but it's a quite likely one.
 
@sbi I'm the youngest one :) , don't manipulate my age lol
 
sbi
10:06 AM
@MrAnubis :) I know nothing about your family, but my experience is that, as a parent, in general you get the kids you created. When one of my kids becomes a trouble maker, I try to find out why. The problem is, though, to realize something like this is happening.
 
in my experience, it simply becomes true that the older and older you get, the more and more difficult it is to cohabit with your parents and siblings
 
My brother is alcoholic plus on that in relationship with a girl, which is seriously I learnt from him , is dangerous combination.
I don't do both , I'm smartâ„¢ :D
 
sbi
Being in a relationship is nothing dangerous for a boy. To the contrary. Alcohol can always be a danger, though.
Where again are you from, @MrAnubis?
 
@sbi Nepal :)
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Ah, I seemed to remember that, but wasn't sure it was you.
I suppose relationships between young people are seen somewhat more restricted in your culture than they are here?
 
10:14 AM
@sbi But youngster don't listen to anyone in any culture I guess :)
 
sbi
What do you guys think the above image shows?
 
tanning salon?
 
@sbi a restaurant I guess ?
 
sbi
Look at those structures. What do they remind you of?
 
portals and chairs?
 
10:16 AM
in the stomach of dinosaur?
 
sbi
 
:D
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Close!
 
I was goingto say that they remind me of the Stargate :P
 
sbi
@DeadMG Close!
Hint: The guy who designed this, was a prop designer for a famous movie.
 
10:19 AM
I don't know any prop designers for any films
and I don't recognize that architecture
 
sbi
@DeadMG You might remember the film, though.
@DeadMG Never mind the fact that it's architecture. The style of design is hard to place wrong, though, if you have seen the movie.
 
judging by it, it's the kind of film that I would pass on seeing in a heartbeat
 
sbi
Oh c'mon guys! I know you're young, but you can't have not seen this movie.
@DeadMG I doubt that.
 
then just tell us what it is :P
 
I'm 100% sure I never saw movie which had any place like this in it :)
 
sbi
10:22 AM
 
yes, I absolutely skipped watching those
 
alien?
 
Aliens, to be more specific, I'd imagine
 
I can never remember which of those is which
 
sbi
That's from the scene in the spaceship relict.
 
10:25 AM
I have definitely never seen Alien
my family described it to me and I immediately decided that I would rather not
 
sbi
The guy has designed a bar in Switzerland. And if you've seen the first Alien movie, with that spaceship, you will instantly recognize the design style.
@DeadMG I recently watched it with my teenage daughter. I had, so far, always told her to skip over those movies when we picked any to watch together. She was a bit anxious beforehand she wouldn't be able to sleep afterwards, but all is well that ends well. :)
 
it's not so much that I can't sleep afterwards, but more that I just don't see the point
 
sbi
@DeadMG I'm absolutely not into horror movies (they are mostly boring), and I'm not one of those who love to read and watch crime. But Alien is a damn good movie. Just the interaction of the engine grunts with the officers in the first half an hour is worth watching the movie. And it's certainly an enthralling story full of suspense, and lacking the usual plot holes of the (mostly dumb) horror movie genre.
 
suspense is boring
2
it's a horror film, you already know what's going to happen
most of the characters are going to die, insert black guy dies first tropes and suchlike, and then one of them survives or kills horrific beast or both
 
You don't know the order in which everyone will die.
 
10:31 AM
well done, congratulations, film over
 
sbi
You saw Avatar, @Dead?
 
yes, but I don't think it was a good use of my time
 
sbi
Did you manage to summon some respect for that old woman, Dr Augustin, IIRC?
 
you mean the one played by Sigourney Weaver?
 
sbi
Yeah.
 
10:33 AM
not really
it actually occurs to me that the plot of Avatar is fundamentally similar to the original Stargate film
 
sbi
Alien pretty much is the start of her carrier. It's where she got that "tough woman" image.
 
I thought that Ghostbusters was the start of her career
 
sbi
@DeadMG I haven't seen Stargate.
 
but more importantly, I really don't care about the history of the actress
 
sbi
@DeadMG Maybe. I haven't seen that either.
 
10:34 AM
either she does a good job playing this character in this film or she doesn't, and either her character is interesting/well done or it isn't
the fact that in the past she might or might not have done good roles is irrelevant
@sbi Ghostbusters is worth watching.
the original Stargate film isn't bad, actually
 
sbi
@DeadMG My daughter, thought that in Alien she very much resembled a younger version of what she played in Avatar.
 
eh
the only thing I remember that she did in Avatar was introduce the very basics of the plot
 
I've seen all 3 Alien films, didn't think that they were that scary
 
sbi
@DeadMG Ok, put on my list. I was on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain when Ghostbusters came out, that's why I never saw it.
 
also saw Alien vs Predator, not that scary either
 
10:37 AM
I downloaded the original Stargate a few days ago and saw it again
and in my opinion, it's actually fairly entertaining
 
sbi
@DeadMG Thanks, I put that one on the list, too.
 
no probs
 
1
A: std::array initializer list initialization in initialization list

Nicol Bolasstd::array, when used with braced initializer lists, uses aggregate initialization. And that requires that the contents are, well, an aggregate. Element2 is not an aggregate. It has user-defined constructors, so it can't be an aggregate. So you can't use aggregate initialization on it. And since...

 
it's actually interesting to see the differences between the later TV show and the original film
 
see my comment
 
10:40 AM
for example, they re-cast all the roles that were continued
changed all the special effects
even new props, if I remember
 
sbi
@MrAnubis As for young people and sexuality — my views are very different from what seem to be the ones of the culture you grew up in. I recently helped my teenage daughter to be on the safe side of it when her boyfriend stayed with us for a while. (At her age, doctors want the agreement of parents, and her mother was reluctant.)
I also offered advice. She, a teenage girl, came to me, her father, and asked for that advice, and even heeded some of it. And I still suspect her to be behind the boy asking me for advice, too. I'm very proud of that.
They must have had a very good time. She's plotting visiting him for her whole summer holidays. I'm very glad of that.
 
I personally think that as long as they're being safe about it, there shouldn't be a problem
but then, I'm not a parent and might well feel different when I am
 
We need something like RAII for safe sex. The current idioms are failing.
 
lol
 
10:47 AM
Type-safety to the rescue. Somehow.
 
yeah, it's called "condom" :P
 
sbi
@DeadMG I actually was quite fascinated by the irrationality of her mother's reluctance. I happen to know about that woman's youth (there's little you do not learn about someone's youth in a decade), and her daughter behind her on that score. I was expecting having to fight grandmothers over this issue, but her mother's attitude really took me by surprise.
 
struct RAII { RAII() { if(hasntSucked(this)) suck(); putCondom(); } ~RAII() { try { removeCondom(); } catch(...) { gotoDoctor(); } } };
 
you can't know everything about a person, I guess
 
10:48 AM
haha
 
@DeadMG Every problem can be solved by adding a new level of indirection :)
 
@sbi "and even heeded some of it" he he.
 
@StackedCrooked Indeed. The traditional programming remedy.
 
cyber sex, another level of indirection :P
 
That's quite safe.
 
sbi
10:49 AM
@StackedCrooked As with RAII, actually it's not the lack of idioms, it's the lack of adoption. Everything needed for safe sex and exception safety is there, and when you look at where teenage pregnancy, AIDS, and memory leaks thrive, you'll find it's cultures that lack adopting these.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Especially considering that persons might not know such things about themselves until they are put into a situation to find out. When I got to know that woman, she was still a teenager, and she'd have sworn to never do this.
 
@sbi I think you have a very interesting point re mem leaks and teenage sex. Because the clever girl teaches the stupid boy what to do and what not to do. Without letting him on that he's being taught.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Hey, in my teenage relationship, I was the one who brought protection.
 
@AlfPSteinbach But why is the clever girl having sex with the stupid boy?
 
10:53 AM
i always have to teach my f* buddies about how to do it safe
 
@StackedCrooked because most all boys are pretty stupid about it when it comes to sex?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Well, as a parent, that's the best you can hop for for your kids: that they take some of your advice, and disregard the rest. If they took none, they'd go down pretty quickly. If they heeded all, they'd never be their own persons.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Fair enough.
 
that's not really fair
they don't exactly have much experience
 
even if you know the guy better do it safe he may not know about it
 
10:54 AM
if you're seventeen and you have a seventeen-year-old girlfriend, then it's not exactly the pinnacle of knowledge on her side, either
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach They are both clever. But despite the theory, they were bloody newbies in practice.
 
but if both haven't had sex before it's pretty safe to do it without gum
 
of course they are
 
it's also better for the girl because the guy can better sense when he "hits" the virgin wall
 
sbi
@DeadMG If you're seventeen and have a seventeen year old girlfriend, then you might have a knack for elder women, and she might have a knack for younger boys. :) At that age, the average woman is still two years ahead of the average man.
 
10:56 AM
lol
maybe I'm just mature ahead of my years :P
 
I doubt that.
 
heh
 
oh sh*t, I pressed "publish" instead of "preview"
 
well
I'm pretty sure that going on five years ago, I was
the problem is that I haven't changed much since
 
10:57 AM
well its not that bad i think, just a figure lacking still
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb That's what i first thought, too. But then I reconsidered, because there's more in this than just this one experience. I want to imprint a pattern: new partner, use rubber. So I better start beating it into her right away. She was surprised about my request, too, saying she was sure that neither of the two could have caught anything yet. But then I asked here: What if something happened at the next party you go to? Would you tell him? She thought for a while, and then agreed to me.
 
gum? is that some kind of slang word? haven't seen that
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach So the @Feeds guy will be around any minute, showing use your premature ej^publishing?
@DeadMG I saw @Johannes using it, so I hoped it might be an English slang, too. Of course, this was stupid, since we both are Germans...
 
definitely not
 
sbi
Better now?
 
11:01 AM
the only slang for condom that I know in English is rubber
 
Chewing gum is not a good condom.
 
@sbi he he, right
 
posted on February 05, 2012 by Alf P. Steinbach

Contents of this lesson: > Conceptual: how events are served to your code one at a time. > Basic command event handling in HTML. > Basic API-level command event handling for Windows windows. > WM_COMMAND as command versus WM_COMMAND as notification. > Posting versus sending of messages. This lesson’s main points: User commands are represented [...]

 
sbi
11:02 AM
@DeadMG Well, therein lies @Johannes' and my problem: In German we use the same word for "rubber" and "gum" (as in "chewing gum"). And it's a close cousin of "gum".
 
ah
 
@sbi if she doesn't tell him he can report her
 
sbi
@Feeds Wow, perfect timing.
 
for assaulting him
 
@AlfPSteinbach how long does it take you to write one of these articles?
pretty extensive they seem :)
 
sbi
11:04 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb Um, maybe I veiled that too much. What I was talking about was, that she might have ended up in bed with one of her classmates.
 
ohh
dirty bitch xD
 
@TonyTheLion I started on that one in mid December I think. Then done nothing with it until yesterday.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb I was sure she wouldn't do this (they are still in that phase of a relationship where you do not see any other human equaling your partner), but she agreed that, should it happen, it certainly wouldn't be the first thing she'd tell her boyfriend about. Which imperatively lead to the conclusion that he might not do so either. thus, it's always better to be on the safe side.
 
when is the next user meeting of this room. let's make Alf a cake for his good articles
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb I have a better idea: Lets make @Alf make a cake.
 
11:09 AM
xD
 
@sbi oh, i only know how to enjoy the food. i know however that you are quite good at baking cakes, or breads, for christmas. :-) so... ?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach I like cooking, but my enthusiasm for baking cake is quite limited. I do make a cake when one of the kids has a birthday, but that's about it.
 
@sbi I missed all but the last 2 minutes of Hans' live talk, so I wouldn't have been able to compare it with the previous one (which I missed completely). But of course STL's talk was the greatest, who would have thought otherwise? :)
 
sbi
11:16 AM
Is that Pickens or Chigs?
 
probably neither
 
sbi
> The average keyboard is about 5 times as dirty as a toilet seat, and has 60 times as many germs.
Ugh.
 
the number of germs is fairly irrelevant
something like 99.9% of all germs are completely harmless to humans
and more importantly, if your keyboard only contains germs from you, then you're not exposing yourself to any new pathogens
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, that's why we don't die snogging.
 
on the other hand, the toilet seat probably contains pathogens from your friends
 
11:19 AM
lol
 
sbi
In university, I often sat at a dirty keyboard in some lab, used by hundreds of students. :)
 
that's true
 
there are always countless of hairs in my keyboard
 
@Damian If you've never seriously programmed in C++, how did you come to the conclusion that "the code is about 2 times faster"? If you read it somewhere, it's probably a dubious source. If you've measured yourself, you probably did something wrong.
 
"the code" in general? that's a shitty statement
 
11:20 AM
@sbi I'm gonna start peeing on my keyboard from now on, then.
 
there are always going to be algorithms which benefit more from garbage collection than native memory algorithms
 
Right, especially in combination with immutable data structures.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Mine wouldn't fit in there.
 
@MrAnubis Andrei's talk wasn't that interesting if you already knew variadic templates. And this "type-safe wrapper around classic printf" was a strange example that I did not like at all, personally.
And for someone who was entirely new to variadic templates, it was probably a bit too advanced. "Variadic variadic templates templates", anyone?
@TonyTheLion You mean you'd like to watch 8 porn videos simultaneously, right?
 
11:26 AM
lol
 
he can't do that right now?
 
@sbi By the way, isn't there a new Alien movie scheduled this year?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Really? Too bad.
It was downhill after the first.
 
having never seen any of them, I've heard that the second was just as good
 
11:29 AM
> Der weltweite Kinostart für den fünften Teil mit dem Titel Prometheus ist für den 8. Juni 2012 geplant.
Prometheus is an upcoming science fiction film directed by Ridley Scott and written by Jon Spaihts and Damon Lindelof. The film stars Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, Idris Elba, Logan Marshall-Green and Charlize Theron. The plot follows the crew of the spaceship Prometheus in the late 21st century, as they explore an advanced alien civilization in search of the origins of humanity. Conceived as a prequel to Scott's 1979 science fiction horror film Alien, script rewrites developed the film into a separate story unconnected to the films of the Alien franchise. According to Sco...
 
directed by Ridley Scott, the director of the original Alien
 
@DeadMG If you like Terminator 2, you'll like the second Alien movie as well. Same director, and lots of action ;)
 
I know
 
Terminator 2 was a goddamn awesome film
 
11:31 AM
I mentioned your blog
 
but I have absolutely no desire to watch Aliens
 
@DeadMG Did you know that the "Arnold terminator" (model T 800 or whatever) apparently uses a 6502 CPU? :)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Ah, right, I had heard about that.
 
no, and I also find myself with a large, distinct lack of care
 
@DeadMG Okay so you've never programmed a Commodore 64?
 
sbi
11:35 AM
@DeadMG Maybe it would have been, as a standalone movie. The problem with sequels, though, is that the setting isn't new anymore.
 
I'm pretty sure that the C64's life cycle began and ended before I was even born
 
> This is precisely why the robots became self-aware. You can’t be giving the robots access to their own source code — of course they’re going to look at it and start modifying it to suit their own needs. At the very least, the developers should have removed the comments and obfuscated it. Its just common sense.
lol
@DeadMG The C64 scene is still quite alive in Europe.
 
are you kidding? I can't stand the idea of using a compiler that isn't the latest version
let alone programming such a typewriter
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Oh, I just came here to paste that myself. :)
 
what kind of language features does C++ for the C64 have?
C and the "class" keyword?
I don't think that's going to make for a more efficient expression of my creativity
 
11:38 AM
@DeadMG Compilers? Nobody writes C64 code in a compiled language, assembly is the only practical choice.
 
ok
 
so I imagined it to be a useless pile of junk, and now you're telling me that it's even worse than that
glad to know that my original decision was at least in the correct direction
 
@DeadMG Graphics programming for the C64 is so timing-critical that you need to go down to the assembly level, there's just no other way.
 
11:39 AM
i will install linux again when they changed to Wayland!
 
right
remind me why that's a useful thing to know or do?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Except for BASIC, of course. :)
@DeadMG Because it would threaten your ignorance? Oh, wait...
 
Okay you can use BASIC for vocabulary trainers and such, but not for games anyone would want to play.
 
what, of an ancient junk heap?
perfectly happy to remain totally ignorant of how to program such a device
 
3
Q: Java - How is the return of foo.charAt(i) a reference?

CodingIsAwesomeI'm new to Java, but understand C++. When I do foo.charAt(i) == 'a' How is 'a' a reference? And how foes foo.ChaAt('a') return a reference? When I debug it looks just like 'a'? Are these pointers? Am I just too drunk? How would these look if they returned values?

> Are these pointers? Am I just too drunk?
Wow, this guy is very confused.
 
11:46 AM
lol
i removed the "c++" tag
comparing an Integer reference against 0 or 10 always yields false I imagine
 
I wonder if that guys actually was drunk when he posted the question :)
 
becuase the 10 is autoboxed and then the two references compare unequal right?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb No, it will unbox the Integer and compare the ints.
 
or are the box classes handled specially by operator==
ohh
 
Which could result in a NullPointerException, by the way.
 
11:49 AM
this is valid T*&& ptr ?
 
Sure, it's an rvalue reference to a pointer to T.
 
of course it is
 
Tony, alias<T*>&&
 
ah ok
had never seen it
 
11:49 AM
Although it's not clear to me why you would want an rvalue reference to a scalar.
 
auto &&x = &abort;
now x is an "T*&&"
 
auto and x = bitand abort;   // I don't like prezels
 
0
Q: Forwarding arguments

smallBI have a construct in a form: template<class T> void do_something_with_it(T*&& ptr) { //here I can do something with this ptr } template<class T,class... Args> void do_something_with_them(T*&& ptr, Args&&... args) { do_someth...

 
auto and x eq bitand abort;
or is there no "eq" ?
 
11:51 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb A colleague of mine always refers to T&& as the "Doppelbrezel" :)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb apparently not
auto and x <% bitand abort %> ;   // this should be possible
@JohannesSchaublitb But there is still space left for one more entry in the table, so why don't you suggest eq as = to the committee? ;)
 
Als
Hmm Fullhouse on a Sunday...bloody geeks!
 
You're welcome to stay with us.
 
Als
@FredOverflow Yes, And I have nothing better to do!
:P
 
11:58 AM
Of course not, there's nothing better than chilling at the Lounge!
3
 
Als
For sure.
I have just spotted you rep-whoring @TonyTheLion
How are you doing? @FredOverflow, cold out there?
 
Out where? I'm staying in and watching STL's GoingNative talk again :)
 
lol @FredOverflow
 
Als
:) and you said chilling in the Lounge, You liar!
lulz
 
they would stone me with steinbach
 
Als
12:03 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb: huh with Alf? Why?
 
lol
no not with Alf... with steinbach
 
Als
Well Alf is Alf.P.Steinbach
So you mean not this Steinbach
 
another Steinbach with sharp steinen
they use for stoning me :(
 
Als
Okay seems it's about something that I am not even remotely aware of.
 
Als
12:07 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb On second thoughts I feel you just might be trolling!
 
not true :(
 
12:18 PM
@Als yea lol
 
Is Bjarne wearing the same shoes in GoingNative as he is in this picture?
 
Haha, I just love how people in the audience try to ask questions to STL, and he always interrupts them after the first few words, because he already knows where the question is going. Not a single person got to the question mark :)
@Als I can watch videos and stay in the Lounge at the same time, I have a Core2Duo!
@Pubby He certainly loves those kinds of shoes.
 
12:33 PM
I think he means new balance;
 
@FredOverflow wow that was a rude letter
 
@TonyTheLion but kind of sad at the same time
 
sbi
@Als He did speak of "chilling at the lounge", that should have given you a clue about our temperature.
 
sbi
@Als "Stein" is German for "stone" ("Steinbach" == "stone creek"). I suppose one of @Alf's ancestors was of German origin. IIRC, the Hanseatic League had an important office in Bergen, which might have brought some wealthy Germans into the country.
 
12:54 PM
so I see
 
Can anyone explain to me why the double slit experiment switches from interference patterns to simple slits as soon as we "observe" the particles? What exactly does "observe" mean, and why does it change the result?
I watched several videos, but I don't get this particular aspect at all.
Oh, we have a physics stack exchange, maybe I should ask there :)
 

« first day (477 days earlier)      last day (4485 days later) »