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12:00 AM
@monokrome That's not enough.
 
@Mysticial I'm just saying what Intel said when I bought my Xeon
 
that's like saying that women shouldn't wear short skirts if they don't want to get raped
 
@monokrome Why? :L
 
(for my server, I have an i7 in my desktop)
 
Apple should uphold their obligations and be fair, honest, and open, which as far as I can tell, they don't
 
12:00 AM
@monokrome Of course they'll say that. It's marketing! :)
 
and what about all of those people where the Android market alone isn't enough to sustain their business?
Apple should arbitrarily decide that their business should go under?
 
@DeadMG No, it's like saying that they shouldn't walk through the town with the highest percentage of rapists wearing a mini skirt. You know what's going to happen, so why did you take the walk?
@DeadMG They should be on more than one market. More baskets!
 
@monokrome Because there are no other routes home?
 
The real problem with the app development process is that you have to have an app completely developed before it gets accepted.
@DeadMG In this analogy, there are plenty of other routes.
 
@monokrome Just replace that with "Where not having the iOS market means their business goes under". Android's just the biggest competitor and I get that there are others.
@monokrome Yeah, like what?
the Apple store is by far and away the most profitable for developers right now
and those small indie devs often won't survive on Android and the other minor markets alone
take another route is your company goes under and your employees have to go home to their children and explain to them why they can't have nice food anymore
 
12:12 AM
as for c++, how do you guys feel about placement of #defines? what do you think is the best standard? eg beginning of file, where used, in separate headers, etc.
 
@DeadMG Like web-based services? Windows applications? Android's platform?
 
for a specific situation, what about using #define within a function
 
Acting like iOS is the only platform that you can develop for is a great way to make excuses not to develop things.
 
@monokrome As I previously stated, iOS is by far and away the biggest markets for several kinds of application. You can't just switch market and get the same effects.
 
@kendfrey Top of the file
Under #include
@DeadMG No, and that's why I've been saying develop for multiple mobile markets this entire time. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. The thing that you fail to mention is that everyone knows that the risk of their app not making it into the store exists. If it doesn't and your business fails, it's your fault. Not theirs. You can't blame business failures on anyone except yourself.
 
12:15 AM
@kendfrey for function specific stuff I tend to put it in the function, and then undefine it at the end of the function
 
@monokrome Who said anything about not making it into the store?
I'm talking about Apple yanking it afterwards for fun
 
@monokrome don't argue with the dog, he gets angry
 
and in addition, if your app would have succeeded if Apple had been reasonable, then it's failure is entirely Apple's fault.
 
12:26 AM
does kerberos good system, what do you think?
 
user457812
Kerberos does salmon taste like
 
@user1131997 Did you make wi-fi on Ubuntu?
 
@DzekTrek nope, there are funny problems )
 
Did you check the link I provided for you?
 
No, it's not useful :(
and not the level of my problem
 
12:29 AM
I see, well search for help there, I'm sure someone will help you to solve it.
 
the topic, which you have given to me is about when wlan0 is indentified and ready for use
my problem was, that system doesn't accept wlan0 interface and don't allow it for using
I had *-network UNCLAIMED
 
Did you check for it here on SO?
 
no
trying to solve it by reading man
 
aha, I see, well if you decide to seek for help, this is the link where you can get it. :) askubuntu.com
 
thnx, druzya ;)
 
12:32 AM
np, brat :)
 
also working with Minix right now on VBox
new package manager is very good on it
 
Yep. :)
 
pkgin is miles better than packman
 
Konecno. :)
 
I has the same problem:
but for it doesn't help )
*for me...
Who has used Berkley DB ? :)
 
12:35 AM
Did you follow the steps from the start?
 
@DzekTrek yeap
 
and still it doesn't work?
 
I seriously don't understand why this exam board essentially makes you write a crappy gross looking crude program in excel. What. The. Fuck.
 
@DzekTrek yeah :(
 
What's the message you get?
 
12:37 AM
@DzekTrek that can't accept wlan0 interface and use ath_pci as driver for it
 
Check for the solution here webcache.googleusercontent.com/…
 
thnx Brat =)
 
:)
np brat
The last post may be crucial for solving the matter.
interface=wlan0
bridge=br0
driver=nl80211
ssid=yourssid
hw_mode=g
ieee80211n=1
auth_algs=1
channel=1
ignore_broadcast_ssid=0
macaddr_acl=0
wpa=2
wpa_passphrase=yourpasswordhere
wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
wpa_pairwise=TKIP CCMP
 
no, I have tried it, problem is not with it and also I'm using open WiFi :) so wpa isn't required
It's problem with driver
which is incompatible
cause of messages from dmesg
 
Aha, have you done the updates for your driver software?
 
12:49 AM
@DzekTrek I can't cause on my netbook, the only available access to internet is from WiFi :) so I must find the update from web and download it to usb and update it localy from usb
 
Yep, quick do it. :)
 
How does know how to look at C/C++ the real implementation of functions as sin() from <math.h>

cause I have look this file, and see only declaration of this method ( return type, arguments with different ifdef/ifndef ), so, how can I look how sin() function was really created in C/C++ ?
 
1:06 AM
@MooingDuck remind me to never get lured into java homework again?
@MooingDuck On a positive note, I think I made the right career decision when I bailed out on my Musical Theory education. I'd have become a conservatory teacher (solfege, harmony, contrapunt). I had the itchy feeling, that I'd never quite have the patience to 'teach' people the difference between a third and a fourth (muscial intervals). I mean, that should be obvious.
@MooingDuck Also, damn profs with their petty unrealistic rules. Yeah, it is good exercise, but most it just serves them well to overconstrain the problem such that there is really only 1 single possible outcome with varying identifiers :)
 
@sehe The difference between a 3rd and a 4th is 1.2599 to 1.33484. :)
165
Q: Mathematical difference between white and black notes in a piano

egarciaThe division of the chromatic scale in 7 natural notes (white keys in a piano) and 5 accidental ones (black) seems a bit arbitrary to me. Apparently, adjacent notes in a piano (including white or black) are always separated by a semitone. Why the distinction, then? Why not just have scales with ...

 
@Mysticial showoff
 
Covers what we talked about that other day pretty much...
 
Who does know how to make some ssid-connection ( EXACT ssid ) be always in startup?
 
@Mysticial That would at least depend on whether the third was major or minor (and the fourth could be pure, diminished or augmented, too; though for pure intervals, pure is the accepted default).
@Mysticial secondly, it would depend on the tuning system (Equal temperament, pythagorean, WerckMeister I,II,III, pure, meantone, etc). I remember we had a lengthy discussion on that before (or was it with @StackedCrooked?). Anyways, you get my drift. It was about aural recognition of those intervals :)
 
1:17 AM
@sehe Yeah, those numbers are for equal temperament. And I'm also a piano guy... so...
 
Yeah I remembered right:
Jan 5 at 1:58, by Mysticial
Piano A-G: = 1.49831
Violin A-G: = 1.5
@MooingDuck see ^^
 
Was supposed to be C - G... but, yeah.
 
Huh that was only a month ago? And yes, @StackedCrooked was there too, discussing Matrix Chess
@Mysticial I'll grant it
 
@sehe I remember the matrix chess, less so the octives
 
Oh, by the way, has this been mentioned here yet:
(that should go on the start board, IMO)
 
1:25 AM
@sehe hinthint
@sehe unrelated: GOTOBED
 
Includes a 10 minute interview with Dave Abrahams.
Just saying
@MooingDuck Ok, power cord yank
 
why does wikipedia's list of data structures list "bitmap" as a "linear array data structure"
 
I thought a bitmap was a map of bits. Am I wrong?
 
@Mysticial The term is possibly overloaded.
 
@Mysticial you're thinking "bitfield"
or "bit array"
both of which, are right next to the bitmap entry
 
1:32 AM
@MooingDuck No, that would be a "field of bits". :-P
 
srsly, who the hell keeps pinning random messages?
 
@DeadMG everyone
 
only room owners can pin
last time I checked, anyway
 
@DeadMG oh, I saw a few during the mod war. I'm trying to think of who was active that day
 
I'd expect, but don't know for sure, that mods can pin as well
@MooingDuck Most of the room owners.
 
1:37 AM
hmm, (on the wiki for self-balancing-trees) "Maintaining the height always at its minimum value is not always viable; it can be proven that any insertion algorithm which did so would have an excessive overhead.[citation needed]"
I wish that had a source
 
Does anyone know when the VS 2011 beta is coming out?
 
1:53 AM
@SethCarnegie VS11 is unrelated to 2011. They said it was an unfortunate coincidence that VS10 came out in 2010.
@SethCarnegie also, no idea, and can't find it
 
2:35 AM
@DeadMG Everyone knows that the risk of pulling it is just as realistic as the risk of it not making it in the first place.
 
@monokrome Except you don't do things like take out loans on the basis of an un-made app.
 
@DeadMG People invest in apps. Time is money. Nobody is talking about a loan here in the first place.
 
no, but once you get it on the app store and you're making money off it for twelve months, you might well take out a loan based on the income it provides
@monokrome Just because everyone knows it doesn't make it right.
 
@DeadMG Then you take that risk. It's not Apple's fault. You know damn well that you may get taken off the app store. If you don't build your app to appeal to more than one market, then you've done something wrong already. You have put all of your eggs in one basket.
 
@monokrome You keep talking about that as if it's any use.
 
2:38 AM
@DeadMG I never said it was right. Sometimes the world isn't fair. Oh well.
 
as if being on the Android market is some magical solution
 
It is of use.
 
which it isn't
 
If you create an entire company around an app and take a loan based on future sales then you just made a bad decision.
 
@monokrome Not fair is when it's a random factor. When it's a human factor, then anyone who's suffered from it has a perfect right to complain.
 
2:39 AM
Unless you have other revenue sources to support it.
Hence, my basket scenario applies.
 
except those revenues almost certainly won't actually support it at all
 
@DeadMG No. Not fair doesn't imply random. It implies something being unfair.
 
@monokrome Other people's incompetence or maliciousness has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with the fact that their behaviour needs actively correcting.
 
@DeadMG If it was not unfair, it wouldn't need correcting. Nobody here is saying that what Apple is doing is "good". However, taking risks that threaten your entire business is not a sign of someone doing good business.
@DeadMG Apple might be malicious, but assessing risks and maintaining consistent revenue is part of running a business - and if a company doesn't prepare for that risk in some way while completely throwing all of their business into that single mobile market (aka all your eggs in one basket) then it is their fault. They are the ones that can't survive independently. The maliciousness of Apple might be an issue, but acting like it's Apple's fault that their business failed is just an excuse.
An excuse to avoid saying "Okay, I'm not on App Store. Let's redefine our marketing strategies and move forward while we see what Apple needs from us to get us back on it if possible."
Another meeting. bbl.
 
@monokrome Sorry- are you saying that it's not Apple's fault that they're malicious and they're not responsible for the damage their maliciousness causes?
 
2:51 AM
@DeadMG Meeting postponed it seems. I'm saying that Apple has the right to decide what is and (more importantly) what isn't part of their ecosystem. I wouldn't even call it malicious, but if you want to - you can. When you start developing an app, you agree to these terms. If you ignore them, then expect that your business might fail and prepare accordingly.
If you don't prepare for these things, it is not Apple's fault that your business failed. They have the right to remove you from their devices. It is your fault.
 
@monokrome Except Apple effectively can change the terms whenever it likes, so there's no way that you cold possibly make a meaningful agreement
 
@DeadMG Sure they can. PREPARE TO POTENTIALLY NOT BE WORKING WITH APPLE IN THE FUTURE.
Getting into a business relationship "assuming" it is going to last forever is silly. Getting into one "hoping" it is going to last forever, but it's okay. However, not preparing for the alternative outcome is silly.
 
@monokrome Apple has obligations to it's developers. It can't just wish them away.
 
And if Apple doesn't want your business, then I guess that's just too bad. It's not Apple's fault.
@DeadMG Obviously it can.
 
or, more likely, the other guy just didn't have enough money to pay for a lawyer to sue them
 
2:56 AM
Maybe.
Who cares? He is the one relying too much on Apple. Why wouldn't you just create a business plan that is meant to exist in independence and then make these things an unneeded extra benefit to your customers? Because you are planning to potentially fail.
You know it. You agree to it. Don't be surprised.
 
@monokrome Surprise has nothing to do with it.
 
Is that all you can say? ______ has nothing to do with it?
 
@monokrome Who cares he got screwed? Well, I guess who cares about those guys who got robbed or murdered, obviously they should have created a plan which didn't depend on being alive.
@monokrome Nah, just watching TV on the other screen and it's gotten interesting and I can only type at a certain rate whilst distracted :P
 
Nobody agreed to being murdered, and probably didn't get into business with the murderer knowing that they're a murderer.
 
if Apple offers an App store and invites developers to create applications for them, enhancing the value of their product, then they have an obligation not to fuck those developers just because they can
@monokrome Depends on how desperate they were.
 
3:01 AM
They aren't "invited".
They request to be developers, and some are "accepted".
Under terms that they might be revoked in the future.
 
@monokrome Really? Cause I'm pretty sure there's a web page out there that would be so happy to tell me all about the benefits of being an iOS developer
 
There are benefits of being an iOS developer. That doesn't mean you are being invited.
 
I'm pretty sure that, legally, at least in my country, it is effectively the same thing
 
What country is that?
 
UK
it's an invitation of sale, or some such rubbish, and you have legal obligations regarding such things
 
3:04 AM
So you are telling me that if I walked up to you and told you that apples are nutritious, then I am legally obliged to provide you an apple?
Sucks for people in the UK
 
There's a big difference between "Apples are nutritious" and "Apples are nutritious. Eat apples and cook things with apples in them today! Look at all my scientific studies of how great apples are! Buy apples now, from me!"
in which case, you most certainly have an obligation to provide a reasonable supply of apples and recently there was an online trading company which was fined large quantities for advertising things of which it had nowhere near enough supply to meet any kind of reasonable projection of demand
 
@waffles Could I please have a moment of your time?
 
They sell you the ability to create apps and be part of their community. They don't sell you the right to be on the app store.
They give you that opportunity.
 
uh, how do you create apps and be a part of their community without being on the app store?
 
And they have the right to choose what is in their ecosystem.
Are you saying that if I am a developer that figures out how to make an app that completely bricks an iPhone, Apple doesn't have the right to remove it from their store in your country?
 
3:08 AM
@monokrome They have the right to remove products for various reasons. That doesn't mean that "Because we felt like it" is a valid legal reason.
 
Usually the reason is because it competes with Apple or their partners.
It is not "we felt like it".
 
alleging copyright pretty much is "we felt like it"
 
Not unless you can prove that.
 
normal people, like retail stores, you have to get a court order, it's called an "injunction", to prevent sale of allegedly infringing material, you can't just call up and go "I allege infringement"
unlike Apple, which basically is "I allege infringement"
 
If people develop businesses in effort to work in an ideal world, those businesses would never survive in the real world. That's why life is unfair and we deal with it. And that's why this conversation is mindless banter at this point, so we'll just have to agree to disagree that it's Apple's fault some guy's business doesn't work now and he has a big loan.
 
3:51 AM
Hello
 
hi
 
Can we use content from newbie hints webpage with attribution ? ( We are planning on using most of relevant content in creating our wiki page for iPhone/iPad chat room on Stackoverflow )
 
4:12 AM
sure
 
4:43 AM
you have my permission
he he
 
Thank you :-)
 
 
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5:50 AM
Oh my, I answered a beginner's question with some "advanced" code, he he!
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Q: How "reject" instancing a class

Helin WangFor example, public class Test { Test() { if(xxx)//do some check here //reject instancing class test. } } I think I can throw a exception to reject it, is there any other way? I am not sure what's the effect of instancing been rejected, but I think a natural way is: Test t...

 
 
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8:24 AM
Either this room has been awful quiet, or I sleep to little. When entering (at work), the top most line of this chat was still my own @MooingDuck Ok, power cord yank message :)
@AlfPSteinbach Codepad doesn't load for me, so I really don't have a clue what your 'advanced answer' was on about :)
 
@sehe I put it in quotes, like, quoting Microsoft (e.g. like the button to edit environment variables is on the "advanced" tab of the system applet in Windows). Anyway you can see it from my answer. Merely a Visual C++-compatible macro NOXNEW that transforms any exception into a nullpointer, losing the exception info but gaining the simplicity sought by the OP.
Why doesn't Codepad load for you?
Oh well, it doesn't load for me either now.
Let me show you how, by adjusting current code and so on, one can end up making the very simple both complex and inefficient (i.e. the code that I posted :-) ):
#include <iostream>
#include <functional>
#include <memory>
#include <new>          // std::nothrow
#include <stdexcept>
using namespace std;

enum Reject { reject };

class Foo
{
public:
    Foo( int ) {}
    Foo( Reject ) { throw runtime_error( "Foo::<init>: bah!" ); }
};

template< class Result >
Result* nox( function< Result* () > f )
{
    try{ return f(); } catch( ... ) { return nullptr; }
}

#define NOXNEW( type, args ) \
    nox( function< type*() >( []() -> type* { return new( nothrow ) type args; } ) )
^ Just because my brain suddenly refused to list the other code posting sites
 
@AlfPSteinbach ideone.com, gist.github.com, pastebin.com
 
thanks
^ This one still rocks (old folks) :D
 
@AlfPSteinbach that happens to me frequently with codepad.
Though it exhibits several flavours of 'death'; It varies from 'dogslow' to 'never-gonna-happen'-slow
@AlfPSteinbach This one's nice too:
Goes to show how active I am on SuperUser:
 
8:42 AM
I think instead of mv you can edit the directory entry directly. But I don't know the format of modern nix directory entry.
 
@AlfPSteinbach that would severely depend on the fs implementation and the OS etc.
 
Well it would in Windows, but in *nix? My old books like "The UNIX Programming Environment" did such things, as I recall. Written by the folks who created nix.
 
9:09 AM
@AlfPSteinbach By the way, the linux userland API's will refuse to write directly to directory nodes. But I do remember cat directory still working on AIX 5.3 (not so long ago, say 2009)
@AlfPSteinbach And yes, it is still entirely FS specific. The major assumption in those books being that every UNIX system run UFS
The Unix file system (UFS) is a file system used by many Unix and Unix-like operating systems. It is also called the Berkeley Fast File System, the BSD Fast File System or FFS. It is a distant descendant of the original filesystem used by Version 7 Unix. Design A UFS volume is composed of the following parts: * a few blocks at the beginning of the partition reserved for boot blocks (which must be initialized separately from the filesystem) * a superblock, containing a magic number identifying this as a UFS filesystem, and some other vital numbers describing this filesystem's geometr...
 
Hm. Thx. Me learn more later.
 
Obviously that doesn't hold on many UNIX systems these days
 
 
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10:23 AM
Boa snake; // calls the boa constructor
 
sbi
I just found a possible dupe for this old question. Do you guys agree?
 
The new OP message highlighting is neat
@sbi I don't think it's exact. The question is specifically about Linux.
 
looks so but i think, if one has to expend effort in finding a duplicate, then those who come here from google or wherever also has to expend such effort or more likely will not, so then there is negative gain by closing and merging
 
My head hurts.
 
you have to hurt it back
 
sbi
10:28 AM
@Pubby Huh? If you mean what I think you do, then this was introduced several years ago.
 
remember, if it isn't with you, then it's against you
A ' (literally, "a commander of a force") was one of the (usually) hereditary military dictators of Japan from 1192 to 1867. In this period, the shoguns, or their shikken regents (1203–1333), were the de facto rulers of Japan though they were nominally appointed by the emperor. When Portuguese explorers first came into contact with the Japanese (see Nanban period), they described Japanese conditions in analogy, likening the emperor, with great symbolic authority but little political power, to the Pope, and the shogun to secular European rulers, e.g. the Holy Roman Emperor. In keeping wi...
 
@sbi The earlier one was on Windows behavior and the newer one was on Linux safety. They are definitely similar but I don't think they are exact duplicates.
 
sbi
Oh look, someone has removed my justification for why I want to circumvent copy protection. :(
 
@AlfPSteinbach I'm afraid if I hit it back, this will happen:
 
10:33 AM
@sbi just a dumb person. he did not understand what the story meant. he would probably remove the intentional mispeling from a draft standard. an idiot. ignore him and revert. please.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach I'm not sure I dare to revert. I'm a newbie on SU.
 
considering sleep
 
anyone any idea why my answer still wouldn't work
 
Oh, the meta police. Well look, I included some "rude" words in the comment above, and (as opposed to the Lenna pic from Wikipedia) it has not yet been deleted! So, maybe safe...
 
10:37 AM
@AlfPSteinbach seriously? is 'idiot' considered rude?
 
By their standards, yes.
As I understand it.
 
@IntermediateHacker He previously had comments censored merely for it's use
 
gotta grab some lunch. bye everyone.
 
bb
 
Lua has closures I just learned
 
10:49 AM
@IntermediateHacker Annoying picture. Removed it with adblock locally.
 
didn't you already know that?
1 message moved to bin
 
It's the core feature.
Ah, I forgot about the bin.
 
very helpful room
 
I would prefer JavaScript (V8) over Lua. It's fast and I already have some JS experience.
 
sbi
Did we already have this here?
@DeadMG Sorry.
 
10:52 AM
@sbi yes
@StackedCrooked eh, as far as i can tell, they're pretty similar for most intents and purposes
@sbi what? just answering your question
 
Lua has a smaller footprint. That is its only advantage I can think of.
 
Lua doesn't have a million crappy type coercions
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, and I was just apologizing for reposting something we already had.
 
also, Lua has (some) operator overloading
 
@DeadMG Ok, that's interesting.
Never programmed in Lua.
 
10:55 AM
Hello guys, how using keyword is used to bring base methods, when derivating with veriadic templates?
 
more restricted than C++'s
but still existent
 
@sbi To be honest, I do think that motivation was a little distracting and over-the-top.
You could have sufficed in saying "You all know how kids are with DVDs and I don't intend to buy all titles several times. So...:"
@DragomirIvanov That looks like you haven't used any of that. Or you need a spell checker. Badly
 
sbi
@sehe But that wasn't the way I felt when I wrote this.
 
@sbi That might explain why the editor thought it wasn't relevant anymore :)
 
@sehe Actually I am learning to use them in tandem, but it doesn't work for now
@sege if you are interested you can read my question: stackoverflow.com/questions/9295387/…
 
11:04 AM
@sbi I'm not saying you /should have wrote this instead/. I'm saying I can understand someone reading through that rant, thinking it was a waste of his time and thus swiftly editing it away. It'd be nice to replace it with the executive summary, but then some people are not so creative/in a hurry
 
@sehe there is a simple code primer
 
@DragomirIvanov that Q has an accepted answer
 
@sehe yes, the solution works, but at a price of 1 extra method call. I am searching for a way to optimize it out.
 
sbi
 
What's the behavior of static_assert in specialized templates with no template parameters? Can I guarantee static_assert(false)will work in it?
 
11:15 AM
@sehe, I just edited my question(look at the end). Does making forward function inline will optimize out this extra method call?
 
Hmm, seems like I can't. Stupid static_assert being stupid.
 
@sbi That's annoying. Your question was funny but then they stole all the funny. :(
 
sbi
@KianMayne That wasn't a question, it was a picture.
I agree that it is funny, though.
 
Sorry I was replying to the whole question edit thing
 
Ell
hi guys
 
sbi
11:29 AM
@KianMayne Now you are indeed. :)
@Ell Hi girl!
 
Ell
@sbi, unfortunately not, I am, in fact, male :)
 
sbi
@Ell That sounds yoda-esque, and defeats my attempts at deciding which of the possible two meanings I should parse out of it. :)
 
Ell
ell = elliot :)
@sbi sorry, there are a lot of misplaced commas, in a nutshell, I'm a guy :L
 
@Ell That was 3 words
@sbi Also, I can't comment on that question, but I was going to say that if you do get DVDs that won't copy, it may be worth installing custom firmware onto your DVD drive, but that can be risky
 
sbi
@Ell That forebodes badly for the name of the guy with the nick "id".
@Ell Putting the wonder of you fitting into a nutshell aside: What do you become when you leave the shell?
 
Ell
11:33 AM
haha :L
I remain a man in or outside the nutshell, I just have to say I'm a man in a confusing and strange way outside of the nutshell
 
sbi
So it seems we are still being watched by the meta police, one of the cops is still hanging out here. Shall we chase him away (everybody keeping plinking him for a day or two should do), or is it better we know him to be here instead of having some anonymous sock puppet watching over us unbeknown? :)
 
Ell
we are being watched by the meta police? o.O
 
@sbi which one?
 
sbi
Note the diamond.
 
ah
 
sbi
11:38 AM
@jalf Why am I not surprised that you appear the very minute "meta police" is uttered here? Almost as reliable as Tony appearing for other keywords. :)
6
 
I don't want to start chasing people out of this channel
even if they're affiliated with meta
@sbi actually, I just came back from lunch. :)
 
sbi
@jalf Yeah, of course. @Tony, too, always has an explanation every time he appears right on key.
 
@sbi I would have said more mods around in chat was a good thing - if it wasn't rare to see a mod in this channel this situation would probably have never occurred
 
@awoodland which? The situation of having a mod in the channel?
 
sbi
@awoodland "this situation"?
 
11:40 AM
@jalf the situation where people are shocked to see a mod on chat and assume it's for negative reasons
 
sbi
@jalf I trust you have noted the smiley at the end of my message?
@awoodland I don't care all that much what the reasons are, but I fear the consequences. We have been quite conspiratorial here once in a while. :)
 
(it also probably has the side effect of stopping the silly flag wars in some of the other channels much faster)
 
Great, I don't see any user pictures.
 
@FredOverflow I found an "optimising" proxy that did that for me once
(it was the free wifi on a ferry)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Are you sick of seeing us or is there any other reason why you consider that "great"?
 
11:46 AM
@awoodland so far, I don't believe the mods have made a difference in that respect
 
@sbi Everytime I try to make my computer more secure, something stops working. Isn't that "great"?
 
@FredOverflow Brilliant :L
 
@awoodland eh, meta users here are suspect because they're meta users, not because they're here
 
sbi
@jalf Actually the worst flag war we had in a while was while the mods were here.
 
@sbi exactly. I don't believe they interfered with it, did they?
 
sbi
11:50 AM
@jalf I don't think so. But maybe they couldn't even interfere. There were a lot of us here and we were quite fast with stomping on any flag.
 
// in-place vs copy: should I use different functions names for these two overloads?
void SearchAndReplace(std::string & text, const std::string & search, const std::string & replace);
std::string SearchAndReplace(const std::string & text, const std::string & search, const std::string & replace);
 
The corperate guys here where I work want to take away local admin righs on my Windows development box. What reasons can I give for keeping my permissions?
One idea is that I need to register com servers using regsvr32 everytimne I build so that is registration database permissions.
Can anyone come up with anything else?
developers unit against IT security and lockdown!
 
@Damian Why do they want to take your rights away?
 
unite
This is not only for me but for "everyone", they argue that all users can install software (malware) themselves and this "has been identified" as a security risk
 
@Damian can't you just work inside a VM that you have full power over?
 
11:56 AM
Yes, that is one idea.. or setup a dual boot..
My PC is to make for VM but are planing to order a faster PC
to lame
 
sbi
@Damian Every developer is a security risk. Not only could you install malware on your machine, you could write it yourself! If management doesn't understand that you can wreak havoc much more effectively by producing bugs in the code of the product the company is built upon than by installing some program, I'm afraid there's little you can do except for contacting your local headhunter.
 
Was thinkg about that acually!
 
@Damian not really. You're the one who knows what your job involves. If it requires admin privileges, tehn the argument is simply "I can't perform my job if you do this"
 
@Damian Show them that having admin rights means a lot and would make you less productive ;)
 

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