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6:01 PM
@sbi I don't get why single-purpose machines like transport displays always use Windows.
 
sbi
@Maxpm Because you can more easily find Windows programmer than those familiar with some specific embedded device?
 
@sbi Just have it run Linux...?
 
@Maxpm Why?
 
sbi
@Maxpm I guess the same applies there.
 
@DeadMG Cheaper. Faster.
 
Ell
6:03 PM
yea I was thinking cheaper
 
linux is only free if your time is worthless
5
 
Heh.
 
Ell
in c++ if a file failed to load, is that an exception or fail return status? I never quite know what is an "exceptional circumstance"
 
I saw Red Hat running on airplane entertainment screens once.
Once.
@Ell Exception.
C++ generally doesn't have error codes.
 
I'd call it exception
 
Ell
6:05 PM
kk, thanks
 
If it was an error code in C, it's probably an exception in C++.
 
@Maxpm Everything was an error code in C.
 
Ell
@Maxpm well I don't know what it would be in C. Is it bad practise to use exceptions for all runtime errors?
 
@DeadMG setjmp/longjmp is popular too, as long as it's not a library.
 
Ell
hmm - how about the file loaded, but it uses an incompatable version of format - I guess another exception?
 
6:09 PM
If it's an error that you could have predicted, then use an assertion. If it's something that you couldn't, use an exception. Error codes are for pussies.
 
Ell
okay how about this - the file starts with a version number. If that is incorrect - I guess I have predicted that so, assertion?
tbh I have never used assertions
I'm only learning c++
 
If the file is input, then for most applications it wouldn't make sense to assert on that -- an exception would be fine.
 
Basically, assertions are there to make sure you don't make a mistake while coding.
 
Ell
@LucDanton I thought assertions were at compile time anyway
 
The idea is usually to treat every kind of input as something very much likely to be ill-formed or that will otherwise fail in horrible fashion.
@Ell They don't have to be.
 
Ell
6:13 PM
ahh kk
 
@Ell Static assertions are.
 
can anyone tell is this normal? img269.imageshack.us/img269/551/perlinbug.jpg
 
But most of the time, when we mean "assertion", we mean "runtime assertion".
 
Ell
oh kk
 
sbi
@Ell That depends. If we're talking a function get_file_name_from_user(), an invalid filename might not be unexpected.
 
6:14 PM
@LucDanton AKA "Never trust user input."
 
Ell
thanks guys :)
anyway its my dindins, brb
 
Hmm, a poutine would be great right now.
 
Are those available on my side of the Atlantic? I'd like to try it some day.
 
Honestly, I don't know.
 
I've never seen cheese curds (that's what those are right?) in my life, and only heard of their existence some years ago. I'm not overly optimistic tbh.
 
6:20 PM
That's weird.
 
Oh man, there's like a whole paragraph on the (French language) Wikipedia dedicated to finding poutine in Europe. It's like a treasure hunt.
Unsurprisingly, cheese curds appear to be substituted with local cheese in some cases.
 
What the hell.
 
I told you, we don't have cheese curds.
3
 
Life's a bitch when you think about it.
Where do you live, by the way?
 
Banlieue parisienne.
 
6:28 PM
Oh.
 
Ell
back :)
 
Hi
 
@LucDanton This Cheese Curd you are talking about. It sounds intriguing!
 
But I don't know what it is!
 
6:43 PM
It's cheese that makes a squeaking sound when you chew on it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Like refrigerated american cheddar?
 
Ell
I fancy a cheese fondue now
 
sbi
@LucDanton dict.leo.org translates it into German "Quark." That is produced from milk by using lab-ferment from calves, is very common here in Germany, and seemed almost unknown in the US when I was there twice in the 90s.
@EtiennedeMartel Mhmm. That doesn't fit "Quark" at all, though.
 
@sbi A pre cheese stage.
 
@sbi Oh, I've known that word. I wouldn't associate it with those pictures of cheese curd I find.
 
6:46 PM
 
Right, Quark doesn't look a bit like that, does it?
 
In swedish Kvarg, the first stage of coagulating the cheese milk.
 
sbi
@LucDanton No, Quark is almost creamy, compared to that.
 
I love quark!
 
@LucDanton I would expect them to be green blue and red, at least
 
6:48 PM
Yeah, I think what you're talking about is known as "cottage cheese" here.
 
I second that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Might be.
 
Can cottage cheese be 'savoury'? I think Quark tends to be.
 
'savoury' as in salty and flavorful?
 
Yes.
 
sbi
6:50 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Cottage cheese is sold here, too, and it's not quite the same as what we know as quark. It's closer to cream cheese than quark is, only more, uh, clotty.
 
In my first interpretation that would be a No. The flavor comes later.
 
Hmm. Food is weird.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Thats why we love it =)
 
sbi
@LucDanton You can use quark both for salty and sweet stuff. Quark prepared with fruits (like yogurt is sold today) was one of my childhood's favorite desserts.
 
Never knew quark was a kind of cheese.
 
6:53 PM
The more you know.
 
sbi
@daknøk It's certainly not seen as a kind of cheese here in Germany.
 
The less you like it.
@sbi neither here in The Netherlands.
 
I've tried to create cheese from milk this way quite a few times.
 
@sbi My father is also very much fond of it.
 
@CaptainGiraffe milk from which species?
 
6:55 PM
@daknøk Cow and sheep
 
Although he make his own. I don't think you can buy it prepared here.
 
@sbi Shelf space is always limited (mathematics 101) I'm kind of envious of so much headroom in your building. Then again, my house has a place for a grand piano, and I can play it at almost any hour. Tradeoffs :)
@sbi I should be reading those C++ Template titles by Vandervoorde/Abrahams for sure. Putting them on my list right now (better late then never)
 
@CaptainGiraffe try dolphin milk.
 
@daknøk PETA!
 
@daknøk Dutch: als jij uit Nederland komt, krijg ik een heel ander idee bij je username
 
6:57 PM
@sehe Now I'm envious of you.
 
English: if you're from the Netherlands, I'm getting very different associations with your username
 
@sehe :P ik ben ook bekend als WTP'-- maar ik was m'n oude username beu en ik kon 'm niet veranderen. (Met daknok bedoel ik een nok van een dak btw.)
 
@daknøk Oh, daar is de bekende truuc voor: sign in bij (bijv.) programmers.stackexchange, and (oh, english!) copy your profile to the linked sites
 
@daknøk You could at least try to say something funny/offensive in dutch? no?
 
guys
English chatroom?
 
6:59 PM
@CaptainGiraffe I'm sure he can.
 
Could we keep the discussion in English please?
 
k
 
@DeadMG You'll find I translated my gibberish for your convenience
 
I don't mind, but I would really like to know what the hell you're talking about.
 
About my username and its meaning in Dutch.
 

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