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7:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel About his username. It turn sout it means "ridge of the roof"
 
@sehe That's poetic.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was thinking other stuff (obscenity, essentially)
 
Oh, you.
 
-Judge! I have already done that!
Nevermind the leaves in my mouth.
 
sbi
@sehe This flat is 3.2m high, and for books I have to make use of this. Even my living room's book shelfs are ~2.50m. I can barely reach the uppermost books. :)
 
7:03 PM
@sbi I definitely can't reach my uppermost books, but I made sure those are the most obsolete ones
 
@JohannesSchaublitb no riddles
 
Hi litb
 
sbi
@sehe I second that.
 
i hour that
 
7:09 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb What does "litb" mean? is it a salt to your username?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb First you need to take minutes.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I want the minutes of the meeting
@CaptainGiraffe something to do with beavers, IIRC
 
sbi
@sehe First! :b
 
@sbi i just want the milliseconds of your love
 
I hate it when people post a question and you answer it with a comment and you go to post it an an answer, but they deleted the question
 
7:10 PM
@Sehe nothing important happned
 
WOW i will quickly take a pic of my books too now
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe He used to be "litb", and only later added his real name.
@JohannesSchaublitb Which love? I had a few of those.
 
@sbi That is to demonstrate that it contains the most obsolete ones :) ^^
 
7:11 PM
the egoistic kind of love
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb That's an oxymoron.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I have a riddle for you then. I just noticed I had the second row of books in the first pic. I sort of forget about them usually, but all my shelfs are stuffed in double ranks.
 
@AlfPSteinbach that's the one I was talking about
 
Killer Borland 4 =)
 
7:12 PM
@sbi not at all
 
Now, who can tell me at least three titles that sit on the second rank?
 
if you love the other guy just to get some "nice" jobs done on you then it's egoistic love
 
@AlfPSteinbach Wait, what?
 
Ell
does anyone have a reprap?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach I voted to undelete. Quick, two more, and @Seth can post his answer. :)
 
7:13 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Don't you love that. That is sentiment
 
@SethCarnegie Crap I'm too low rep. Please Ctrl C - V it here
 
egoistic love yield Steve Jobs xD
 
still needs 1 vote
 
@JohannesSchaublitb A perfect counter on that would be Linus.
 
Victory
 
linus is the pragmatic kind of person
 
Ha, the guy is a Bleach fan.
 
@EtiennedeMartel who, Zaraki?
 
@sehe yeah i spotted that
 
@SethCarnegie Yep.
 
7:15 PM
My favourite character
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I hadn't, actually. It really goes to show I neglect my classics, because some of the mandatories are on the second row.
 
@sehe 3 of your books are on my shelf too
 
He's a cardboard cutout, like every other character in Bleach.
 
sbi
@sehe If you look closely at this pic I posted earlier, you'll see the handbooks for TC2 and BCB6 on the upper shelf.
 
A cardboard cutout?
 
7:16 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb I noticed that you noticed that, because you reported on it
 
i see
@sehe i dont understand
why did you link it again then
 
@sbi Oh yea I recognize the print
 
@SethCarnegie No depth. No characterization. You can summarize the guy in one sentence.
 
@sbi I have them too. Or, I used to. I even had the diskettes.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh because I directed my riddle at you, I guess. Granted, that link wasn't required for you
 
7:17 PM
ohhh
 
@EtiennedeMartel nah, he's awesome
he said my favourite line in all Bleach
 
i didn't spot the riddle
can you post it again plz?
 
"Do you know how much more powerful a sword is... WHEN YOU USE TWO HANDS!?!?!?!"
 
sbi
Happy Darwin Day! Don't try to contribute to evolution yourself unless you're ready - use contraception
 
I think I still must have the 15 disks (3.25") of BC++ 3.1
6 mins ago, by sehe
@JohannesSchaublitb I have a riddle for you then. I just noticed I had the second row of books in the first pic. I sort of forget about them usually, but all my shelfs are stuffed in double ranks.
 
sbi
7:18 PM
@sehe Was that 15? I don't think so. Mine are in a box in my sleeping room.
 
@sbi At least 10. And Turbo Pascal 6.0 came on 5 disks, IIRC
 
@SethCarnegie Yeah, that's cheesy alright.
 
Turbo Prolog only required 2 disks. Or even one, not sure anymore
 
i can do so because those are also my books
 
Ell
7:19 PM
@sehe whats a disk? loljk that was my feeble attempt at humor
 
Disc, Disk, DISC or DISK may refer to: Data storage * Disk storage, a general category of data storage mechanisms ** Magnetic disk *** Floppy disk, a magnetic data storage device using a flexible disc *** Hard disk drive, a non-volatile magnetic data storage device ** Optical disc, commonly a polycarbonate disc *** Blu-ray Disc (BD), a high-density optical disc intended mainly for video storage *** Compact Disc (CD), a form of optical disc used mainly for audio data *** Digital Versatile Disc (DVD), a form of optical disc used mainly for video and other data *** Enhanced Versatile D...
 
Should the "static initialization fiasco" really be called "dynamic initialization fiasco"? On account of pertaining to dynamic initialization?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Aizen was more complicated
 
@sehe Every time I see "Turbo Something", I can't help but think that they were trying to sell an experimental race car.
 
Am I the only one with fiction on my bookshelf?
 
7:21 PM
@SethCarnegie Meh, he's just your run-of-the-mill power hungry villain.
 
@CaptainGiraffe me too :)
 
@KerrekSB It refers to the initialization of static variables. So I don't really see the problem?
 
@CaptainGiraffe I have no bookshelf.
 
@EtiennedeMartel They would actually show splashscreen pictures of the sort during installation of the first windows offerings, IIRC. I don't have any screenies handy right now, but you should be able to find them
 
@CaptainGiraffe Nah, I have "Java explained" on mine.
 
7:22 PM
@CaptainGiraffe that didn't work out. Click 'upload'
 
@KerrekSB unfortunately "static initialization" is slightly ambiguous
 
@DeadMG But only to dynamic initialization of static variables :-)
 
because it can refer to "initialization of static variables" and "static initialization phase".
 
@JohannesSchaublitb It should be "statics' initialization" maybe
 
7:23 PM
I'd prefer to refer to it as the "Have a reasonable design and you won't have this problem" fiasco
 
@CaptainGiraffe I need a fisheye cam to capture those. And I'm sure I'd give you all a good laugh with my collection of relgious books
 
@sehe i spotted three of those in the upper left corner of your pic!
 
@CaptainGiraffe Kind of hard to make out any of the titles. Is that you in the picture frame?
 
On the mid shelf theres an introductory QM text.
@sehe My brothers wedding photo =)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Do you have any tentative submissions as for their titles?
@CaptainGiraffe I see
 
7:24 PM
litb means "let it be"
"it" can mean many things.
that's why i love my nick
 
@CaptainGiraffe Woah XML Databases?
 
also
who the fuck is Whitney Houston?
2
 
What do you guys make of this #include guard?
#ifndef DMD_DOC_H
#define DMD_DOC_H

#ifdef __DMC__
#pragma once
#endif /* __DMC__ */
 
lit comes across as litterary, like well read to me.
 
Seems a bit redundant, no?
 
7:25 PM
the whole BBC website is aflame about the fact that she's dead, but I've never heard of her
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I love git's revision naming scheme for the same reason. It can mean many things.
 
@Maxpm Reserved names make that guard UB.
 
@DeadMG I know of houston!
 
@sehe i don't find the pic anymore but they look like a series of biblical concordance or something
 
@DeadMG she looked very sexy on back cover of 2nd LP. Also, Bill Clinton used to listen to her music.
 
7:26 PM
@Maxpm VS can do optimisations with #pragma once that it can't do with #ifdef
 
@CaptainGiraffe litterary? litter - ary?
 
@sehe Yes we have a course like that at my uni
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe If you look at this pic, you see, on the right side, about a third of my fiction books. Well, maybe it's rather a fourth.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Neither of those is cause for me to care about the fact that she's dead.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Nah. No points
 
7:26 PM
@DeadMG This is in the Digital Mars D compiler, with the #pragma referring to Digital Mars C. So, supposedly, they know what they're doing.
 
@CaptainGiraffe oh my. the end of the world as we know it.
 
@sehe too bad :(
 
@sbi thats a good lol
 
well, I guess that when you are the implementation, then it's fine
 
@DeadMG barbarian
 
sbi
7:27 PM
@CaptainGiraffe This is my English fiction shelf. Most of it is SF&F.
 
also
I have no books
 
Quick question and hate to have it OT but what do I do in regards to contacting site operators about someone intentionally going to my profile and downvoting everything they can find?
 
ignore it
 
sbi
@DeadMG I would have expected no less from you.
 
@sbi I prefer Umberto Ecos response to his library -"Wow did you read all this?", "no of course not, why would they be here if I had alread read them"
 
7:28 PM
 
there's an automatic adjustment which runs every night whose specific purpose is to find and revert such mass downvotes
@sbi I had a bunch, and then I chucked them when moving to various places.
 
@sbi I see a "müncher kindel" there
 
why have a large paperweight when I could simply download them on demand?
 
thought you were from berlin
 
much less space and effort to lug them around when they're digitally on my hard drive
 
sbi
7:29 PM
@John See this and related questions for the algo that should revert it until tomorrow.
 
Thanks DeadMG, sorry for OT, just only chat that seems to have people.
 
But would you download !! A Car!!!!
 
unfortunately, we get a lot of random stuff in here because we're the only chat
 
Thanks @sbi!
 
7:29 PM
and it's usually a lot worse than you
@AlfPSteinbach I don't find that particularly sexy.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Why the Porn++ Lounge post?
 
@KerrekSB +1
 
@sbi ok, you win. I stopped reading much at age 25 or there abouts. It saved me a lot of money, I guess
 
@KerrekSB where?
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe I'm different from him then. I have read 95% of the books in this household. (This includes the kids' books until my oldest daughter became ~14 and started to read stuff I'm not interested in.)
 
7:31 PM
@DeadMG barbarian...
 
@KerrekSB oh, pic of Whitney. u must be very randy, he he.
 
@sehe You're the one lugging around dead trees, and I'm the one with the high-tech digital storage, so I think you're the barbarian here :P
 
@sbi Yes, Umberto Eco is very different from most of us.
No
I just fapped, thats why this pic is out of place.
 
@CaptainGiraffe i think i only have 2 books by UE, it's "how to travel with a salmon" and one about a pendulum or something?
 
@CaptainGiraffe come again?
 
7:33 PM
@AlfPSteinbach Yes, Focaults pendulum was a world opener for me. And The Roses stuff of course
@sehe O cant for an hour or two.
 
@AlfPSteinbach I have the second one. Sadly haven't finished it because my latest 'real' holiday was too short. That was around 3 years back.
 
I get a strange urge to work on my graphics library again
 
sbi
@bamboon You mean the beer mug? I picked that from my grandfather's beers mug collection when my grandparents moved into a smaller apartment and gave away lots of their stuff, because it used to sit in my parents' apartment when I was a little boy.
 
@CaptainGiraffe that was expected
 
@sbi yeap
 
7:34 PM
@sehe You knew I had to.
 
Ell
c++ quick question here - how much difference does using size_type over int make? Is it worth the extra typing?
 
sbi
@KerrekSB She died last night, that's why I think he posted it.
 
@Ell yes: quick answer
 
Ell
@CaptainGiraffe it is worth the extra typing?
 
@Ell Meh. It's an issue of portability, really.
if you don't need ultra-portable code then you don't need size_type
 
7:35 PM
@sbi That's just sick.
 
Ell
@DeadMG I don't need ultra-portable, just cross platform between 32/64 bit
 
@KerrekSB I see dead girls...
 
sbi
@Ell Extra clarity and type-correctness is always worth any amount of typing.
 
well, unless you have ridiculously large data sets, then you don't need size_type
 
@DeadMG It is a very good habit though. It is like const-ness
 
Ell
7:36 PM
okay well I guess I will use it then!
 
@CaptainGiraffe It's definitely a nice touch in generic libraries.
 
sbi
@KerrekSB Um, I think it's not clear yet what she died of, although I suppose everybody is expecting drugs and/or alcohol to feature prominently in the explanation.
 
@CaptainGiraffe That's funny, because I personally rarely make use of const
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Ok here is the reveal. Partly. If you can identify the two leftmost titles (O'Reilly animal series), you'll get the bonus points, and I might not be admitted to this room any longer :)
 
@KerrekSB A nice touch anywhere. The more semantic your code is the better.
 
7:37 PM
lol
 
sbi
@DeadMG And I expected no less of you. (I personally rarely ever make a variable not const.)
 
 
@sbi Eh. I make variables to mutate them. Else I just use an expression.
 
@DeadMG Revealed in a public fora =) pwoonnwweeeeeddd. or however you spell that stuff.
 
sbi
@sehe Hey, you got the EC++ CD! Did you get it when you went to one of Scott's seminars, too?
 
7:38 PM
@CaptainGiraffe It's well-known in this channel that I don't think an awful lot of const
 
@DeadMG constantly
 
Ell
is size_type the type I should use for indexing vector's? or just getting the size of them? Or is it something else completely
 
@sbi nope. I bought it. Silly me :) I buy all my stuff.
 
@Ell auto makes this one easy. auto size = vec.size();
 
@Ell size_t is good.
 
sbi
7:39 PM
@Ell The overloaded operator does take size_type.
 
Ell
@DeadMG but if they are parameters to functions?
 
If you're a C++ library and some code that can throw exceptions (which is part of your library) is called accross a C API boundary, how can you propagate the exception from your code to the client's code?
 
@sehe Ba-dum-tish.
 
dammit i missed to put the dragon book on the shelf before taking my pic
 
decltype?
 
sbi
7:40 PM
@sehe A dozen of the most expensive C++ books I had I got as a gift from AW. :P
 
Ell
decltype??
 
@JohannesSchaublitb that's one I don't (and won't) own. Not unless I go back to college, anyways. Which isn't gonna happen likely
 
never mind
 
@sbi Introduce me to your friends at AW?
 
sbi
@SethCarnegie I fail at "if you're a C++ library..." WTF?
 
Ell
7:41 PM
hmm its okay - I need index I think.
 
last time I checked, I am not a library in any language
 
@sbi ?
 
@sehe I could send you about 400 kilos worth of AW books.
 
sbi
@sehe Um, it's not that. I have told the story here before. Lemme dig for it.
 
@CaptainGiraffe funny that you should express their worth in the SI unit
 
@sehe what? Also I meant "if you're writing a C++ library"
 
We need a new Title for the room!
 
I heard a pop sound though don't see any @ John in CTRL+F, have a few tabs open to remind me what I'm working on. Not sure if the site has private messaging or something where I might be accidentally ignoring someone.
 
@sbi People do identify with their code, you know. That's part of the whole deal with 'shared code ownership', 'don't live with broken windows' and mantras like that
 
Ell
7:43 PM
when comparing an index(signed) and size_type(unsigned) will a static_cast do? or is there something I have to do?
 
@SethCarnegie sorry, misdirected response. I retargeted.
 
nerdy books
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Thats very modern by most dead tree standards
 
So does anyone know of a good way?
 
@John It is plink at SO chat, not pop
 
Ell
7:44 PM
plink
 
sbi
@sehe See what I wrote starting here.
 
@CaptainGiraffe hmm
@CaptainGiraffe you mean i got recent books?
 
@Ell Not a particularly smart idea to mix signed and unsigned unless you're confident.
 
@sehe Pardon my ignorance though what is a plink?
 
I seem to remember that unsigned and signed can produce some nasty surprises when mixed?
 
7:45 PM
plink == penis link
:/
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Most major publishers send me their most recent works, you're not at all that far behind =)
 
Also to be a bit more on-topic I haven't read any of my programming books in a long time.
 
ohh
@CaptainGiraffe why do they do that?
 
Ell
@DeadMG well I want to be good and use size_type when returning the width of a multidimensional array, and also use index when accepting arguments for indexes. Now to check the bounds I have to compare them :S
 
nah, use size_type for index arguments
 
7:46 PM
 
@JohannesSchaublitb you order with amazon.it?
 
@sbi You already read them all ? o_0
 
@JohannesSchaublitb They need to publish stuff thats not new in any way. I've yet to find a solid c++11 resource
 
^ highest resolution i could find. people don't seem to have same sense of quality i have.
 
@sehe yes^^
 
Ell
7:46 PM
@DeadMG really? but isn't index for the purpose I'm suggesting?
 
@DeadMG I thought I read "I have no boobs" there for a second
@John It is a not-pop
 
@sehe Why would that be a surprise?
 
@sehe Well, damn.
 
@Ell Ultimately, the vast majority of these typedefs serve little purpose.
but you'll probably find that index is an unsigned type as well, alleviating the problem
 
@sbi thx for giving me more to read :)
 
7:47 PM
after all, you can't accept negative indices
also
 
@DeadMG being confident doesn't really help the compiler guess your intent, is my profound experience
 
int* stuff = -3( a + 5); ???
 
I don't see any index as a member of vector, say?
 
Ell
@DeadMG yeah but I may as well and i get warnings when comparing index and size_type
 
c++ accepts negative array index
@sehe why not order from amazon?
 
7:48 PM
@Ell What index are you even talking about?
 
they seem to be good
 
sbi
@MrAnubis The one on the right, lying on its spine and poking out, is the one I have yet to read. Six of those shelfs contain only books I have bought (and read, of course) in the last 5-6 years. One is only Pratchett, the eighth is half old, half newer.
 
@sehe True. But that's his problem, cause it's his confidence :P
 
@sehe but actually in that amazon box are all the books that i found to be shit. they will all end up in fire some day
 
How does one create a patch file?
 
7:49 PM
like "Suse Linux 8.1" o_O
 
@DeadMG Who said that? It was just a surprise to read that confession here.
 
sbi
@sehe That's just four messages! I wouldn't want to paste them here, but it'#s certainly not a lot to read.
 
Ell
@DeadMG oh snap - sorry I'm using boost::multi_array and it has an index type. Its accepted as arguments for the subscript operator
 
@sehe What do you mean, confession?
 
Hi all, I've got a question about the [] operator for std::map, and was wondering if anyone could help me
 
7:50 PM
@DeadMG i think it's ungood with an unsigned index type. leads to undesired implicit promotions and ugliness. i always defined Index as signed type (generally as ptrdiff_t)
 
you make it sound like I've pretended to be a woman for the last fifteen months
 
yes, ptrdiff_t is the type that is used by overload resolution for builtin candidates
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I order from amazon exclusively. I just order from .co.uk or .us. I mentioned my mishap with the .de store. Never even considered .it. Does it have benefit for EU residents?
 
using that type for one's own operator() produces the least amount of possible ambiguities
@sehe hmm dunno
 
@Ell Then why are you doing your own bounds checking?
 
7:51 PM
why is the .de variant bad?
 
just ask multi_array to do it
 
@DeadMG mixing confidence and conscience there?
 
sbi
@NobodyNothing How would we know whether we can help without knowing what your problem is? (I trust you have seen the operator overloading FAQ?)
 
@sehe Nope.
 
Amazing visualizations for Edward Maya - youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sM6emA3JMJ4
 
7:52 PM
@Moshe Thinking of binning?
 
sbi
1 message moved to bin
 
Ell
@DeadMG well its for the flood fill algorithm. need to make sure the adjacent cell is within bounds before trying to fill it or whatever - I can't see a function that will check if a given coordinate is in bounds?
 
@Ell It should possess an at() function that will give you an iterator that you can compare to end(), or maybe it throws if failure, either way
 
lol
 
hmm
don't do that. trace your way through and always check whether you step over bounds
 
Ell
7:54 PM
@DeadMG no at() function that I can find :S
 
dammit, it seems i'm getting a cold. perhaps i need to stay at home tomorrow..
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh, I recently threw my original copy of Suse Linux 6.0 complete with books and 6 CDs + 1 DVD...
 
@sbi Good point. I'm attempting to load a series of sf::Image-s and std::string identifiers into a map<sf::Image, std::string>, which seems to be working fine. I get an "binary '[' : no operator found which takes a right-hand operand of type 'std::string'" error when trying to access an element using the string as an index, eg: imageMap[stringId];
 
@Ell What a strange interface. Try looking some more in the documentation.
@NobodyNothing You need map<std::string, sf::Image>.
 
7:55 PM
i remember my first night with suse linux 8.1. i was so happy when X finally started up and loaded the cute KDE screen
 
the key type goes first, not the value type
 
sbi
@Mahesh A girl named Edward? I'd rather take A Boy Named Sue
 
@JohannesSchaublitb +1
 
@JohannesSchaublitb it isn't. It just holds the risk of you getting a German translation if your are not careful :)
 
That would be problematic xD Thanks
 
7:55 PM
and i bought it for 48 euros!
a friend of mine gave it to me.
but I don't know why the fuck I bought it from him. it seems only for the 2 books
user & admin manual
@sehe yea i always try and get an english original one
one time i actually HAD to buy it from US
because the german one only had some weird rewriting of the dragon book
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Suse made me use KDE and I liked it. Until KDE decided to 'change everything'. I jumped ship to Gnome: KISS. Now, I'm jumping to XFCE so it seems, for mostly the same reason
 
@sbi lol
 
@sehe yeah KDE4 destroyed a beatiful DE
the 3.5 version was so good
i mostly hate how they made amarok basically unusable
but... now that I have windows7 it's all past xD
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Precisely, I paid at least 50 HFL (roughly 25 EUR i suppose) from my student income :) We didn't have the interwebs back then. It was all BBS and modems, and perhaps an in-house IPX network. Yay
@JohannesSchaublitb Precisely. That's what made me stick to the English stores
 

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