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5:00 PM
Thats fair. So did you learn in python then?
 
I did Lua, personally
then C++
 
I could never wrap my head around Lua. But I only ever tried Lua... ... 7 years ago
 
but my CS course was a worthless crock of shit
 
Lua is horrible. :shh:
 
Maybe I should give Lua another shot.
 
5:03 PM
My friend is using it for his algo/data structures class... Seemed like an odd choice to me
 
> At this point, I engaged my thermonuclear social skills.
 
> Is this how you put something in that block-quote like style?
... Oh. Sweet.
 
> thermonuclear social skills
I have those too
 
@CatPlusPlus Agreed.
 
lol, the puppy agreeing with the cat that something is horrible. Who would have thunk?
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5:06 PM
Hi everybody
 
@kbok You look like a sexy person.
 
:6118624 Fixed. Can haz star?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf That kinda looks like an elbow-rub.
Damnit now it doesn't. D:
 
5:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know how to take that
 
@kbok With a beer.
 
@kbok Sexily.
 
With a sexy beer.
 
posted on November 06, 2012 by Alf P. Steinbach

Recently Microsoft surprised me – positively! – with supporting newfangled C++11 features in the November CTP of their Visual C++ 11.0 compiler: Variadic templates Uniform initialization and initializer_lists Delegating constructors Raw string literals Explicit conversion operators Default template arguments for … Continue reading →

 
5:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes apt response there
 
What's wrong with SBRM ?
 
@kbok It focuses on the wrong thing: it tries to imitate acronym-ness for no purpose
 
@sehe How do you call that then ?
 
@CatPlusPlus I like lua, except for the metatables.
 
Well 'deterministic destruction' and 'user defined con/destruction' fits the bill for me.
 
5:13 PM
"deterministic destruction" is more about the implementation IMO
 
Get email from recruiter: "Dear Freddy,"
stopped reading there
 
Are you Freddy Mercury in disguise ?
 
@TonyTheLion I get tons of emails that begin "Dear Mr. Mooing Duck" (exact quote, that wasn't a name replacement)
 
haha
@MooingDuck oh my gawd.
 
@TonyTheLion I have my spam filter automatically trash anything with "Mr Mooing Duck" or "Mr Duck"
 
5:15 PM
That's funny
 
 
@kbok Meh, I just call it RAII and when asked about the meaning of the acronym I claim it's meaningless.
 
^ Freddy the Lion
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's fine to me
TBH "C++" as a name doesn't make any sense either
 
@Cheers what do you mean by "it’s now possible to avoid macro hell for things such as (...) platform-specific Unicode strings."?
 
5:17 PM
I replied
Hi X, you suck, my name is not Freddy. Regards, Tony The Lion
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@R.MartinhoFernandes one can use literals
 
@TonyTheLion Did you use a wrong name instead of the recruiter's name?
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Like U"gfhgf"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was tempted, but then I used the right name
 
not sure of syntax, i haven't used them yet
 
The puppy told me earlier that they didn't.
FWIW, that's not the same as raw literals.
Raw literals is R"(look ma, \no escapes)" <- no newline.
 
hey, um, when someone refers to the first element in a stack...would that be the first one added?
 
@TonyTheLion lol
 
@TonyTheLion checks on his phone
 
@melak47 erm, if you do zero indexing, then the first is really the second
 
@melak47 Dunno. I would assume nothing.
Only top is meaningful.
 
5:23 PM
@TonyTheLion no, first is always at the end. We never (except RMartinho) refer to the 0th item.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes unfortunately, they use only "first"
 
@melak47 the FIRST element would be postion 0
 
they say to "remove the first item from the stack"
 
@GoodBoyNYC A stack has no indexed positions.
 
@MooingDuck you a word?
 
5:23 PM
It only has the top.
 
user1174868
fuck
 
@melak47 I would ask for clarification, it could be first added or the top
 
user1174868
I think I have to change majors again, I can't do computer science
 
@MooingDuck it's a text assignment.
 
@TonyTheLion "Stecke das Schwert in die Scheide!" (Jesus to Petrus, John x:y), quoting Bach of course
 
user1174868
5:24 PM
I suck at math and fail all my math classes and I can't pass any computer science math tests I just completely fuck them up every time
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i mean that as a point of reference. helps me at least :|
 
@melak47 Then it probably means the one at the end opposite the top.
 
@melak47 so?
 
@sehe Ja genau
 
 
5:24 PM
@TonyTheLion Genua?
 
user1174868
I fucking hate school, just constantly reminds me how bad I am at everything I try and do
 
@melak47 anywho if its a stack think of it as a can of pringles :D
 
@sehe Got nothing :(
 
@GoodBoyNYC Now I need pringles :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes very googleable, I suppose
 
5:25 PM
Yeah hating school seems a common theme around here.
 
user1174868
I fail all my tests
 
Die Scheide = Vagina
Put the sword in the vagina
 
Down with school! (Though I'm happy I just passed Discrete Math :| )
 
user1174868
No matter how much I study or how confident I feel on my test I will not do well on it
 
@sehe Oh sure, but I got nothing from my mental queries.
 
5:26 PM
D for Done.
 
@GoodBoyNYC but which one is the first chip? the first one to go in the can, or the first one you take out?
 
@melak47 the first one you can grad
grab*
 
user1174868
I need to get all As in my classes so I can get accepted to a school that has a computer science program
 
@TonyTheLion Scabbard, you fool.
 
user1174868
I got the third lowest grade in the class
 
5:27 PM
@Jordan at least its not the lowest!
 
user1174868
that means those retarded kids who don't come to class and don't even know anything about the class do ebtter than me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
user1174868
meanwhile I go to every class, spend 20+ hours a week on homework and I still can't even do decently at all
 
@Jordan :S over here CS was one of the few courses with no requirements at all regarding grades
 
5:28 PM
@kbok Racism? In France? What a surprise!
 
@Jordan try to change your approach to doing the work. i know its helped me
 
@kbok "I have found best web design company near nagpur is only one and this is alishwebdesign. For more detail you can visit the main site at alishwebdesign.com";
 
user1174868
I do the homework until it is done
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're right, it doesn't support them
 
user1174868
I think I am just too stupid for school
 
5:29 PM
i thought it did
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, thanks
 
@Jordan then do it until it's done right :p
 
@Jordan I have a bad habit of relying on people for explanations but if you can connect the dots yourself(which is scary to me) its great.
 
@GoodBoyNYC bad habit
 
That site is hilarious btw
 
user1174868
5:29 PM
in every class the homework takes me like give times as long as anyone else and I still cant get it all right
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Ok, cool. I mean, not cool.
 
user1174868
and I can never do it by myself I always need help
 
@kbok You clicked it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would translate to latin, but it would get too obvious
 
5:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yup
 
user1174868
I actually did well on a test once and I thought I might have actually learned how to learn and do well in something, then I got less then 50 percent on the next two tests. That sure taught me to have a good attitude about anything
 
And I learned "scabbard", which is a very useful word. Right?
That reminds me... I don't know a Portuguese word for "scabbard"...
Oh, got it.
 
@Jordan Consider the sheer complexity and difficulty in learning to speak a language, not to mention learning to control one's body movements. Compared to that most school stuff is utterly trivial. So if testing says otherwise, then something wrong in teaching approach and/or testing, as I see it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes google suggests "bainha"/sheath, "espada"/sword, and "scabbard"/scabbard
 
It's "bainha".
"scabbard" is not a Portuguese word.
 
5:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I liked the second two suggestions
 
Silly Google.
 
user1174868
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I just think that everyone else can get it alright though, I mean go to the mathematics chat room and ask how many of them had to take Calc 1 and Calc 2 and College Algebra twice each and still got average grades
 
I guess Brazilians may use "escabarda" or some similar shit.
You never know with those crazies.
 
user1174868
i can lose 37 more points in my class before I can't get an A
 
may be a matter of getting off on wrong foot, so to speak
 
user1174868
5:39 PM
I am just incredibly angry right now
 
user1174868
I tried really fucking hard to be good at something and I completely failed again
 
what was it this time?
 
user1174868
I never succeed so I am at least use to it
 
user1174868
my programming class
 
oh. do python. it's fun :-)
also has turtle graphics
and nice web support
 
5:41 PM
I hate using whitespace for delimiting code blocks, but it is a very nice language :P
 
I have been globally successful at school and I'm afraid it made me really lazy
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Are you confusing with Logo?
@kbok I have been through that.
 
I should really learn python. It's one of those "it" languages at the moment.
 
I never had to care a speck to get good grades until I got out of high school.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you manage ?
 
5:42 PM
Then things went downhill real fast.
 
user1174868
I have to learn java for school I think, after i learned c++ for a semester and forgot it all and then scheme for a semester which I will forgot and then I have to learn python for 2 weeks and I will forget it all
 
I never cared for good grades and I still don't.
 
@kbok I don't know. I delineate goals and work for them.
 
user1174868
I don't really either but I have to get good grades to get accpeted
 
so, slightly apropos of our earlier discussion, atheismandme.com/extremists :)
 
5:44 PM
@Jordan if you're worried about getting a job after you graduate with your grades dont worry. It's more about how you present yourself in an interview.
 
I should probably be more goal-oriented, too
 
@Jordan I'm a much better speaker than I am a programmer.
 
I still code only for the sake of it, too
 
user1174868
I just want to be done with school, I really hate it
 
@GoodBoyNYC and how much you've learned outside your degree
 
5:45 PM
and thats helped me get my internship and be considered for other positions out of my league.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no. seymour papert used logo as a vehicle to teach children math. and he used turtle graphics for the same. with turtle graphics supported in logo. that's where the name comes from. that's all.
 
@Jordan If you're not good at school you should work on your social skills. They pay much better in the long term anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Delightfully cruel! :p
 
Your degree just says that you got through the CS curriculum. It says nothing of your ability to code. Good hires have the CS degree as well as the ability to write good code. ;) and then in most cases, the actual grades you got are basically irrelevant
 
user1174868
5:48 PM
I need to get all As to get into my program though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Should be good for an April Fool's prank too
 
user1174868
because my grades now are so bad they won't accept me into the program without all As
 
@Jordan into what program?
 
user1174868
CS
 
@Jordan I got into a CS program with mostly C grades.
 
user1174868
5:48 PM
out of high school?
 
@Jordan yes
 
user1174868
It is much harder for transfer students
 
user1174868
most school actively discriminate against transfer students because they dont have SAT scores so they don't make the school look any better they are just money
 
Brian Fargo is backing everything and its dog on Kickstarter
 
user1174868
they see transfer students as a liability, like there is something wrong with you if you didnt go to college out of high school
 
Ell
Is there any way I can type erase a template at run time? if that makes sense. So I can change a boost::signal<void()> into boost::signal aka, I only care that I can call it
 
Call it with what?
 
@Ell yes, type erasure. That's how std::function works
 
@Ell Phrased like that, no, it doesn't make sense.
 
boost::signal<void()> already means "I don't care what it is, as long as I can call it with no argument".
 
5:51 PM
@MooingDuck std::function does not erase the signature.
 
@Jordan Mr. Tyson said it best. Even if you don't use it all, you've established a better state of thinking
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes anything else can't work period, so I assumed he wanted to erase to a signature. I don't know what signal is. Apperently I assumed wrong
 
Ell
@LucDanton Sorry I wasn't clear, I have lots of different boost::signal<> with different signatures, but I want to be able to get an arbitrary boost::signal from a void* and call it
 
user1174868
I think I am done whining for today, I just felt like I got 100 percent on that test and I didnt even come close
 
@MooingDuck A signal is just a bit more than a std::function.
 
5:53 PM
You'll need to pass arguments. How will you do that? Given an arbitrary signal, how do you know what to pass to it?
 
@Ell Call it how?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes with the () operator
oh wait
 
my_signal();?
 
@Ell but how can you do that if you don't know what arguments it takes? Which is the type information you just erased
 
Ell
I'm stupid. ignore this whole thing, doesn't make any sense :L
 
5:54 PM
boost::signal<void()> already does what you want.
 
@Ell And... realization dawns?
 
Ell
@jalf yeah I just realised :3
 
:)
 
Ell
haha I'm so silly :L
 
I'm glad we could rubberduck that and it didn't turn into XY.
(Programmer lingo is weird.)
 
Ell
5:55 PM
I've been teaching the term rubberduck to all my friends :L
Not sure what XY is though o.O
 
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user1174868
I wish it was more obvious what i need to do to regain question privleges
 
:| you can lose privilege to that?
 
@GoodBoyNYC yes, he got banned
 

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