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12:00 AM
I don't know.
 
@TonyTheLion that is just untrue propaganda.
 
@kbok I'm pretty sure taxes aren't the only thing that makes you consider leaving France.
 
@TonyTheLion Well I meant more so, how rather than how much.
 
I don't think I even know what taxes are, seeing as my family and I are all eating the Welfare shit.
 
@Rapptz There's a lot of them and it's complicated, but to make things simple, you pay a fucking lot
 
12:00 AM
@TonyTheLion You paid 60% taxes?
 
@Rapptz using a bank
 
@Chimera Indeed. Lowering the taxes of the wealthy in the hopes that it benefits the poor? That's Ryan's thing, not Romney's.
 
@StackedCrooked and you do too, even if you don't realize it. I worked it out with an accountant one time.
taxes are extremely high in Belgium, which one of the reason I don't live there anymore
 
6pm, repcap reset and precincts start reporting...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, Romney has stated he won't be reducing the taxes on the "wealthy". And this whole class warfare is bullshit and divisive.
 
12:02 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Nearly everything comes down to that, directly or indirectly. The general freeze of the startup scene and the clumsiness of IT companies are related to the super high taxation
 
take into account, that your employer has to pay taxes on your wage on top of the bits taken off your wage.
 
@ThePhD I can relate to that. Which makes me so happy to pay taxes :)
 
I pay 21.71% income tax.
 
Ell
I think its silly when people say "its not how much you pay its how much you have left" it doesn't matter if you can still live comfortably, you want to keep as much as what you earn as you can
 
@Chimera Oh yes it is, but you have to admit that there are some problems with wealth distribution in the US
 
12:02 AM
@Rapptz That's not too bad.
 
Jun 20 at 0:26, by Jim Norton
Top earners are the target for new tax increases, but the federal income tax system is already highly progressive. The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71 percent of all federal income taxes in 2009 though they earned 43 percent of all income. The bottom 50 percent paid 2 percent of income taxes but earned 13 percent of total income. About half of tax filers paid no federal income tax at all.
 
Yeah I guess.
 
^ for noobs: that's Jim == Chimera
 
Really?
Jim == Chimera !?
Weird..
 
the point is that at the end of the day, I worked for the damn money, and then some shitty ass govt that can't deliver half they say they will, takes so much of it away. They didn't work for any of it?! Fuckers
 
12:03 AM
@StackedCrooked same here, lol
 
@StackedCrooked How so? He even had the name change pinned to the starboard for a while
 
My tax bracket is 28% though, but you end up paying less due to how income tax works.
 
@sehe Heh. I'd pay a million in taxes if I could, because I know people need that help. Unfortunately I'm on some weird Massachusettes state welfare program where if I actually start making money (like, 100 USD), that amount gets cut from the welfare that my family receives.
 
@sehe Didn't notice it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Agreed. But we shouldn't always villainize the same group of politicians.
 
12:04 AM
@TonyTheLion le this
 
Ell
wtf my phone doesn't support some PDF featurees. its like. Table or something
 
@ThePhD Oh no. I want to pay a million in taxes purely for selfish reasons!
 
@kbok I tought it was mostly due to the French's love of red tape?
 
With 7 siblings and a single Mother, both not making money and making money is dangerous. I have to play it really close to the vest, and when I do land a job I have to land a fucking 90K USD job so I can escape welfare completely.
 
@Ell meh. Pay more taxes.
 
12:05 AM
@TonyTheLion Well, I wouldn't mind paying taxes if it benefit other people and it benefited me the same way like free health care. Or the ability to aid students in their financial situations like the FAFSA, or give scientists grants to work with.
 
I think in general, the US political system is broken and needs reform all the way around.
 
Ell
@thephd why don't you keep working until your wage surpasses the deduction threshold?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't encounter that much.
 
@Rapptz but it never benefits many, besides the people shitting on their desks all day that we call a government
 
@Ell The more I work, the more that gets deducted from the amount our family receives (or just cut off entirely). On top of that, they do it even when I do things like work Internships, so for 3 months (a summer) of somewhat-good-pay I retroactively back-pay the government for a long-ass time.
 
12:06 AM
@Chimera Is that ever gonna happen, probably not.
 
@ThePhD Erm, are you legally a main breadwinner to the family?
 
Interestingly enough, that is kind of a problem here. The government is the biggest employer here. Could be seen as a bad thing for some, but I'm not sure.
 
I wouldn't mind as much having my government taking 70% of my gross intake if they weren't a bunch of pretentious, greedy, inefficient and horrible people
 
@TonyTheLion Well, I'm hopeful for incremental positive change over time.
 
@sehe No, but whatever I earn goes directly to helping everybody.
 
12:07 AM
because governments generally attract the type of of people that come from a pool called "incompetent fuckwits"
@Chimera me too. But it's only a dim hope
 
Ell
@thephd well if you work then you have the amount that was deducted anyway don't you?
 
@TonyTheLion Not true. NASA is part of the government and I doubt they're idiots.
 
@Rapptz then they're the only ones, and they don't run the country, do they?
 
The problem in the United States is that most of the money being spent on is defence and military. Which is such a huge waste of money, imo.
 
@Ell Yeah, that's why I have to wait, do really well in school, and then score a really good job. Or just create my own job. That pays well. Because if I don't get something really good, then we lose the welfare benefits -for the whole family- for the 1 job that I'm working.
 
12:08 AM
@ThePhD Well, wouldn't that be a good thing? I mean, if you have a job, you have already escaped welfare. The extent in which you can/want to help 'the others' out (sorry for gross simplification) is really ... unrelated, secondary?
 
Though there are actually a lot of things in the military that require a lot of spending, such as healthcare for veterans, school and other benefits for joining, but not to the excess of how much is currently being spent I would think, anyway.
 
@ThePhD Ok seems I forgot how young you are
 
Ell
ima fall sleep
nighty night all
 
@sehe 20, I'm sure of it.
 
@ThePhD If it's siblings, you will surely not legally be held responsible for the income of your family?
 
12:10 AM
lol @ the guy unsure about his age
 
lol @ the late lol
 
@kbok I actually forget my birthday sometimes. Last year I completely forgot it was my birthday until some random-ass person I didn't even remember - on ventrilo - said Happy Birthday at like 5 AM in the morning. I was like, "wat?"
 
I forget my birthday too, don't worry.
 
Apr 10 at 10:49, by sehe
> "The top 10% of rich Dutch families are contributing 80% of the countries tax"
Apr 10 at 10:50, by sehe
I'm not sure whether that claim is true, but if it were I'd be (a) shocked at the sheer fact that income distribution is so out-of-balance (b) shocked that they dare complain that it isn't fair
 
@Rapptz military agrees. congress won't listen
 
12:13 AM
@sehe I'm also technically a dependent under my Mother, because without a Father and with my Mother having been burned to the 3rd degree on 89% of her body, the financial situation is basically a hop-skip from making-it to Section-8 housing. Mmm, projects.
 
@sehe US income is by household. If he gets a job, the whole house loses welfare. Welfare is pretty big, there's a lot of people in teh US afraid of getting jobs because they'll suddenly have less income.
 
They actually tried to get me with that.
When I went to my first year of College, they were like "Well you're independent now right? Just sign that here. :D"
 
@MooingDuck In fact I heard that for every new job created, 75 people went into the welfare system in the last 4 years.
 
@Chimera during the crash? Sure. Also look at how many came back off welfare. There's as many jobs now as there was before the crash.
 
@MooingDuck It's the same here, really. But if you move out to go live on your own you will start being your own household. Which makes sense at ~20y
 
12:17 AM
And I large part of the problem in the last number of years was that unemployment benefits kept being extended for such a long period of time, many people didn't really work at finding a new job.
 
Being on welfare in the U.S. sucks. I just hope I can do well enough making my game and getting through school to give a giant FUCK YOU to the whole system and actually live without having to calculate how much blow-back would happen if I list myself independantly or if I actually want to do what I like doing - coding - and make money at the same time.
 
@ThePhD sehe's right: file as your own household
 
@MooingDuck The % of the population on welfare has done nothing but grow over the last several years.
 
Quick google search says Welfare increased by 18.8% from 2009 to 2012.
 
@ThePhD I signed that kind of statement proudly. It meant having to take largish loans to study, but hey, I wanted to be independent. You know, not be a burden.
 
12:20 AM
@sehe It feels like shit, still being listed as a dependent right now... My family tells me I shouldn't worry about it, but I really don't want to be a dependent.
 
@Chimera In the Netherlands, unemployment benefits are effectively going to be reduced from 3y to 1y with the advent of the new government (we just recently had elections).
 
Romney has 8 electoral votes, Obama has 3.
 
Ouch, Obama's hurting.
 
@ThePhD Well, if you can land a small job, you wouldn't have to worry about the deductions anymore, right?
 
@sehe Interesting. 3 years is a LONG time to be on unemployment... at least by US standards.
 
12:21 AM
@ThePhD he'll win. hands down
 
@sehe Right, but a minimum wage isn't going to feed 8 people if I have to study school at the same time.
 
6 hours ago, by Mooing Duck
@Ell http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map expects that Obama will get 277-347 electoral votes, and Romney will get 191-261 electoral votes. 270 are needed to win.
 
@Chimera Well, it's a 'popular insurance' - so it's not a 'gimme' by the government, well, not directly.
 
When are we going to get the results ?
 
@DeadMG's question is asked on Herb's video! :D
 
12:22 AM
@MooingDuck Yeah expectations != reality unfortunately.
 
Should I stay awake or not :)
@StackedCrooked How come ?
 
I know I can land somewhat a decent job - I've gotten into Microsoft before, I -know- I can get a job, but then I'd have to be like "Fuck you" to school, And it's just... arghaghaghaghaghagh.
 
At most we can be hopeful but people might have apathy and ended up not voting from thinking it'd be a landslide election.
 
Fuck money.
 
@kbok Apparently he submitted a question.
 
12:22 AM
Oh, ok.
 
@kbok A few months or more. I believe we are going to have recount after recount after recount and then lawsuits. 2000 all over again.
 
@ThePhD I don't follow. You and your family live off welfare now? You move out, the rest of the family can't live off welfare anymore? (Sorry again if I grossly simplify)
 
@kbok Probably by 11 PM EST. Or about 4 hours.
 
@Chimera Oh, I'm not going to stay awake then.
 
@kbok The polls haven't even closed yet, so not for quite a while.
 
12:23 AM
Did you vote Jerry?
 
@StackedCrooked That was four days ago IIRC?
 
@kbok That's just my guess.... it could be different... we might know tonight yet.
 
@StackedCrooked Very first, too. I asked it about two seconds before.
 
@sehe Dunno, I just heard it.
 
Pissed off with software. How can I become an election lawyer?
 
12:24 AM
In France you know the results for sure on Sunday at 20:00 PM CEST.
 
@Rapptz Yes.
 
Nov 2 at 21:40, by sehe
@DeadMG my wife was surprised - i said hey - that's DeadMG. I'm watching the stream on the big tele in the living room :)
 
Good!
 
Not before, not after.
 
@Rapptz welfare is hard to measure, I was thinking of unemployment
 
12:24 AM
@sehe You wife knows @DeadMG? :D
 
@sehe In the U.S both the employer and employee pay into a fund for unemployment expenditures.
 
@kbok With the elections on Wednesday
 
@sehe ?
 
Nov 2 at 21:41, by Tony The Lion
@sehe your wife knows about the puppy?
echo chamber
@kbok <troll/>
 
@sehe Apparently I missed something there.
 
12:25 AM
@sehe Oh. Surprisingly enough, the French voting system is super-effective
 
@kbok in the US we don't officially know the results until Jan 6.
 
@Chimera well, basically the same here. A fixed ratio of all income must be 'deposited' into this collective fund
 
@sehe If I move out, the dependent count decreases (if I take myself off the dependents list of the household). Therefore, the income for 8 people decreases: if I don't get a job to cover the decrease, the family might be in trouble, because several of them have disabilities and my Mother's practically close-to-dead. In that case, to keep things
 
Florida seems to be 50% Obama 50% Romney atm, pretty interesting.
 
Probably due to people killing each other by thousands for counting errors in the past.
 
12:26 AM
@Rapptz That is normal.
 
@sehe afloat, I'll need to get a real, full-time job (not an at-school shindig) to keep things afloat. This means tossing out all my scholarships and not going to school anymore, which is something my Mother made me promise not to do (though I feel like if I lose my degree to keep things around, I could go back later. She might be right that I should stick to it while I'm at this level, though...)
 
Or getting half the Chamber executed, stuff like that
 
@Rapptz South Florida = Democrat North Florida = Republican
 
I mean, it's not like I lose credits if I stop going to school, but it'll be significantly harder to go back because then I'd have to fully bankroll myself and also eat largeish school loans.
 
12:28 AM
@ThePhD Well, I'll probably not understand soon, but if sticking it out can work, yeah, that would appeal to me too.
 
So the US university system has nothing of collaboration?
 
More detailed and stuff.
 
@ThePhD My advice is to stay in school and finish if you can.
 
@ThePhD How did you go through the schooling process? 4 year university? Scholarships? Community college + transfer?
 
@Rapptz They don't seem to agree with one another. Maybe the UK one is not updated as often.
 
12:30 AM
Hey, rhode island isn't an island at all ?
 
M, Romney. Stay in the military; we need you there.
 
@Chimera This map updates every 30 seconds for me.
 
@ThePhD (The thing that confuses me: if you move out, the dependent count -=1, so the income for 8 7 decreases. You only have to land a job to cover your own expenses (as in the definition of independence). So, in my mind, if the opportunity arises, you could say yes? ...
... Also, in the Netherlands, you'd be entitled to a separate welfare budget as your own household (allthough you'd be required to apply for jobs, but the income would probably not be not worse than what you describe as your current situation))
So I answered my own confusion there: it's the choice for schooling. Your family is sticking it out for your education, not so much vice versa, at the moment
 
Help the Vets is a stated goal. Why stay with the Vets. More People are trying.
 
@sehe but consider that the family expenditures are not evenly distributed. That's quite a blow for the remaining people with medical expenses.
 
12:34 AM
@Rapptz I'm still in the schooling process. I have a 4-year scholarship that covers all expenses not covered by other-scholarships and pell grant and need-based financial aid. This scholarship allows for a 2-year break at any point in time allocated in as many chunks as you want, and 1 year of deferrment. But if you take longer than that, the scholarship shrivels up and you're left to do as you will. I'm at year 2 right now, after doing unorthodox shit to count for my 'High School'.
 
@MooingDuck Accute observation
 
Year 2 as in, year 2 of undergraduate schooling.
 
3-13 now.. supposedly.
@ThePhD So you got a full ride?
 
@ThePhD Anyways, hats of for coping with life, you certainly seem to have a lot of responsibility in tough circumstances. I was a minor when life was less than friendly, and had only myself to look out for when I moved out. Which is freedom, even if not from financial trouble, for the first years!
 
@ThePhD What happens if you do get ill?
 
12:36 AM
-1 "as it is not l-value you can't call non-const methods on it" is incorrect. i'm downvoting as opposed to just pointing this out, because it's the core of the answer and the poster has not taken the trouble to try it before posting. so that others might be misled. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 2 mins ago
 
@CaptainGiraffe I... .. I don't plan on being sick for more than 2 years.
Or being so sick I have to drop out of school for longer than that.
@Rapptz Yeah. Which is why my Mother was like "GO TO SCHOOL GO TO SCHOOL FINALLY MY GOD SOMEBODY GOT IN GOOOO TO SCHOOOOOOOOOOOOL."
 
@ThePhD My plans are being useful.
 
@ThePhD i didn't plan to be sick for even 1 year, and now it's been 12 or 15 (i've lost count)
 
@ThePhD Whoo. That's another person who got a full ride.
 
happily, this year i got a diagnosis, attempted treatment, and now a series of surgery
 
12:37 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I'm on 17 years
 
it's a bit late though
ah
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Late, but thankfully better than nothing.
@CaptainGiraffe Damn man, I'm sorry.
 
Sick with what?
 
@ThePhD Thats for Alf
 
We're a sick bunch, on average
 
12:38 AM
:)
 
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k, I'm going in live with string array and vector.
strstream
or is it stringstream?
 
sstream is the header, stringstream is the class
 
SnakeStream
That's what I think of when I see sstream
 
thanks
 
12:41 AM
It decodes Parsel Tongue.
Or maybe some other snakey-language.
.... Are there other snake-languages?
Maybe tongue-language.
@sehe To be honest, sometimes I wish I was by myself. I feel like I could do a lot more. Kudos to you for making it this far when you started out on your own! My entire family's holding my back, even with me being a useless lech in school.
One day, though. I'm going to be able to give someone a fifty dollar bill, and not have to worry about where I'm going to get it from.
And my Mom will finally get a real house - not this cramped shit - she deserves, with a full bedroom of her own and everything.
 
@ThePhD Can't be completely useless and get the scholarship, right?
@ThePhD Stick it out, follow your dream. It will happen, some way or another
 
@CaptainGiraffe stringstream is the one you normally want to use. strstream is a leftover from before std::string having been invented (appendix D.7, in case you care).
 
Does this look like a picture of racism?
 
That only white people have the majority of the republican vote?
wtf Obama posted on Reddit
 
12:52 AM
@Chimera there appears to be a high correlation with "party" and the votee.
 
Is that surprising?
Black people have voted mainly democrat for years.
 
91% and 86% of African American voting for Obama.
 
@Rapptz ironic
 
@Rapptz Not by that wide a margin.
 
@Rapptz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States) "Founded in the Northern states in 1854 by anti-slavery activists... The main cause was opposition to the Kansas–Nebraska Act, which repealed the Missouri Compromise by which slavery was kept out of Kansas. The Northern Republicans saw the expansion of slavery as a great evil."
 
12:55 AM
I'd like to know what percentage of African American US citizens are Democrat and what percentage are Republican.
 
@Chimera probably roughly the percentage that voted for each president
 
2008 African American voted 95% for Obama.
2004, 88% African American voted Democrat
2000, 90% African American voted for Gore
Common trend, it happens almost every election.
@MooingDuck African Americans voted republican at first because of Lincoln.
 
@Rapptz The republican party was created on their behalf
 
Also check here for when they shifted from Republican to Democrat.
So? The republican party of 1854 is in no way related to the republican party of 2012. They're radically different apart from the name.
 
meh... 100+ years later, times change
 
1:01 AM
@Rapptz I know, that's what makes the whole situation amusing/ironic.
 
Oh. Well yeah, kinda.
 
@Rapptz I find myself curious about 1956
 
33 Romney, 3 Obama
 
@Rapptz unconcerned.
 
In the past like 12+ years, the only battlegrounds are "small" states...
I wonder when the was the last time California or Texas was a swing state.
 
1:03 AM
@MooingDuck It's fun seeing it from the beginning though,
You voted right? I think Mysticial is the only one who didn't vote so far.
 
@Rapptz the last three western continental US states will throw 74 electoral seats at Obama. It will start close, then Romney will lead until then.
 
@Rapptz Yeah, I can claim residency in either California or Illinois - both deep blue. Wasn't really worth my time.
 
My state is typically democrat too but I still went and voted.
It's like, my right to do so you know.
36-40 now.
 
different news stations have different numbers.
 
We'll see -- being in Colorado, my vote could actually mean something.
 
1:09 AM
CNN has 64:40
 
I don't trust CNN.
 
I also grew up in one of the country's most liberal neighborhoods too...
 
last I checked, various statisticians were predicting 85-98% chance of Obama victory.
 
holy shit... Florida is close...
 
@Mysticial Of course. The one I find interesting is Politico.com's call on South Carolina -- ~55% Obama, 1.6% of precincts reporting, and they've called it in favor of Romney? They may be right, but something sounds strange about that anyway.
 
1:11 AM
@JerryCoffin They bias the results towards exit poll results as well as what districts they come with.
 
Lounge<USA>
 
I'm using this map
 
If the current numbers are slightly favor of say red. But then the deep-blue districts haven't even come in yet. Then they'll call it for blue.
Or something like that.
 
wait, I was just thinking about exit polls and just realized %votes for Obama is only vaguely related to %chance of win.
@Mysticial the networks have all promised not to call it prematurely this year. They're going super secret and forbidding employees from talking about exit polls before they allow it.
 
It's mostly just statistics. If you have an accurate measure of the mean and standard deviations, you can make good guess that will be 99% correct even if the numbers are 1% dead heat.
 
lol
 
I remember when he did an AMA, it crashed and the site
and people sent in about a couple years worth of reddit gold for his account
 
@Rapptz Is that real time or predictive?
 
real time from the look of it, seeing as it updates every 30 seconds.
Honestly I'm just waiting for it to be like 11 or so. I'm just bored
 
Obama is most likely going to win. It will be a bad night for the U.S. IMHO.
 
1:21 AM
Why would it be a bad night?
 
@Chimera Hard to say, the swing states are all over the place right now.
 
lol
 
hahaha
I hope it stays black.
(Says the non american)
 
@Rapptz Because Obama is bad for the U.S. Again, my opinion.
 
Yeah pretty sure Romney is pretty hated everywhere else.
Haven't heard any pro-romney stuff from out of the US.
 
1:23 AM
Yeah, Romney is pretty well hated outside the US. I don't know why such a large discrepancy.
 
@Mysticial Because all of us outsiders are actually sane :P I kid
 
@Rapptz "Hated" is such a strong word. Why would it be "hate"?
 
hmm newer maps don't seem as certain that Obama will win
 
@Borgleader I don't disagree with that. A lot of the people in the US are pretty brainwashed.
That's the problem when you become arrogant and you think you're the best country in the world.
 
@Chimera Because everyone is scared shitless if he wins and in my opinion, that's well above "strong dislike"
Most of the world tends to be left-winged, I bet most countries thinks we're insane with our laws.
 
1:25 AM
@Rapptz That is not an answer. Why are they afraid of Romney?
 
I can't answer for other people. Why are you expecting me to?
I'm relaying what they say and stating why I think they say that.
 
@Rapptz Did anybody give you any real reasons?
 
@MooingDuck Of course Rove has Romney winning. Hope he is correct.
 
I'm pretty sure most people hate Romney because he isn't consistent and he's obviously a liar.
The 47% bullshit that he said to people was probably also a deciding factor.
 
1:30 AM
@Rapptz That comment was taken out of context.
 
What was the context then?
 
@Rapptz Referring to this? ^
 
@Borgleader There are probably many.
 
@Rapptz He can't worry about the 47% of people that are likely not to vote for him. He would have to focus "care" about campaigning for the other 53%.
 
That's.. exactly why people are mad?
Because he doesn't care about other Americans, only those who will vote for him?
 
1:33 AM
@Rapptz In a campaign you don't spend resources and time on people you don't expect will vote for you. Obama made the same calculations. It doesn't mean they don't care about 100% of the US population.
 
Well, gotta go for a bit. Back later...
 
@JerryCoffin cya
 
Night everybody.
 
Night
 
@Chimera wait what....
@Chimera that's not how it works no. He only has to campaign in the states that might vote for him or for Obama. He barely campained at all in states he knew he'd get.
 
1:45 AM
^ That makes more sense to me.
 
is meta down?
 
Seems like it
Wait...I had a "Meta means murder" image a few seconds ago, now its gone
 
@MooingDuck Yeah that is generally how it works.
 
@Rapptz context huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/…. "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,...Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax...[my job] is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
 
yeah that's bullshit
I voted for Obama but I pay income tax
 
1:51 AM
it is clear that he means not care about them for the election, and not a reference to not caring about them as a president.
 
@MooingDuck But going on to say that the 47% who vote for Obama are freeloaders? That's retarded
 

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