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9:00 PM
I don't know UML :(
 
but I also need to target Windows
@LuchianGrigore I've never seen any UML that was not a worthless pile of shit.
 
@Pubby it means "Subject aggregates observers, ConcreteObserverX is an Observer" and the explanation in the box is that Subject calls notify on the list of observers.
UML is great btw
 
@DeadMG Generate code for the JVM (or maybe CPython's IL).
 
UML?
 
9:01 PM
UML.
 
UML¡
 
Too late.
Puppy ruined it.
 
better late than never.
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's known to do that. :P
 
Just bin it and edit the bin notification to UML.
 
9:03 PM
You can't really describe a fairly complex design without UML.
 
@LuchianGrigore At least IMO, not really -- I've done UML at times, and rarely find it any easier to understand. Rather the contrary, even though I once knew UML fairly well, in trick cases, I found that the easiest way to understand it was to tell Rational Rose to generate code, and read that. Likewise, I found the easiest way to generate most UML was to write class definitions, and have it RE diagrams from there.
 
@LuchianGrigore You can using code
 
@DeadMG Carefully! (of course).
 
So then what is signals and slots? It sounds like an event system to me.
 
Combo cheated.
 
9:04 PM
@Pubby I wish that were true. There's times where I wished I had at least a high-level UML diagram.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You cawk.
 
@Pubby It's the same shit.
@JerryCoffin OMG you used Rational Rose. No wonder you are old and fat now.
 
@JerryCoffin I disagree, but of course there's different tools for different cases. UML can be very useful in some. It can be very useful in components interaction, where you don't have ownership over most of the components but want to figure out how they interact.
 
So then what's message passing? :S
 
9:05 PM
It's passing messages around
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm afraid I must plead guilty.
 
@Pubby If you know what an event system is, you've probably seen the observer but didn't know it was called that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Old and fat? What?
 
Rational Rose does not make you more rational?!
 
28 secs ago, by Jerry Coffin
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm afraid I must plead guilty.
 
9:06 PM
@TonyTheLion you're thinking of Rose Rational. Rational Rose makes you rose.
 
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
 
@EtiennedeMartel Rational Rose is bad for your well-being.
 
XML is bad for your well being
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, sort of. It leads to bursts of anger that initially seem irrational, but once you've also put up with it, you find that all such anger is completely rational.
 
It's driving me crazy, all those fecking angle brackets.
 
9:08 PM
@TonyTheLion s/for your well being// FTFY.
 
@JerryCoffin oh rational anger, I've yet to master that one.
@JerryCoffin huh?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I heard.
 
@TonyTheLion Removes the "for your well being", leaving just "XML is bad". Just like better code, it's shorter, simpler, and much more accurate.
 
whoever invented XML should be hanged.
@JerryCoffin oh right :)
some people also think that XML solves all problems, evidently
 
You cannot shoot XML.
 
9:11 PM
I can, just hang it on a wall on, print on a piece of paper, take a gun, put in a bullet, and the fire at the piece of paper on the wall. Voila, shot XML.
 
chop the XML tree down
 
dat pun
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! VS just crashed
 
@LuchianGrigore I know that feeling. :P
dat rage...
 
@DeadMG I just saved it for arbitrary future measurements, I didn't even look at it :(
 
9:13 PM
@TonyTheLion I was talking about shooting XML out of a gun to kill people. How else would XML solve problems?
 
@LuchianGrigore I think I need to get started on my open framework for IDE development. There's definitely something wrong in a world where all the other IDEs are even worse than VS.
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yar me mateys
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh like that, I obviously misunderstood you.
 
@JerryCoffin not saying it's bad. It sometimes crashes though. But I'm sure if I was developing it, it would be much much worse.
 
9:14 PM
@Griwes Worse: it's worthless madness.
 
@Griwes The hell.
 
I've learned to appreciate software that doesn't crash that much. :)
 
@Griwes Srsly?!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That too.
 
I read it this afternoon and just filed it into the "worthless madness" archive without a second thought.
 
9:14 PM
does std::next_permutation not work with basic integer types?
 
Am I doing it wrong then ideone.com/yx2xSq
 
@LuchianGrigore I am saying it's open to a lot of improvement, at least from my perspective. Juts for one example, I'd like an IDE that made it trivial for me to switch the compiler from gcc to clang to cl to ... with minimal difficulty (and still support debugging the code produced from any of them).
 
@JerryCoffin And the dialog for switching compilers should be resizable.
Just in case.
You know what I'm talking about.
 
@JerryCoffin have you looked at the new Qt Creator (2.6)?
 
9:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes All too well, I'm afraid.
 
@Griwes Am I the only one that thinks the name "std" is very unfortunate.
 
Why do compilers zero stuff out in debug mode? Doesn't that make it harder to debug?
 
qt3.14 creator
 
@bamboon I'm not sure about 2.6, but I've looked at a couple of versions. None of them impressed me a whole lot.
 
@LuchianGrigore no Cicada mentioned it a few days ago
 
9:18 PM
@JerryCoffin Hey, if you ever need help with that, I'm sure there's several of us here who would be more than happy to support you.
 
FUUUUUUU!
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well, I didn't test it yet. But I saw that the new version has some stuff going in that direction. I think it's worth a look
@Crowz there is no qt creator 3.14
 
Really? anjuta.org looks decent though I've never tried it
 
It's a joke silly
 
@Griwes There's a link on that page to "Video: C++11 Style (Stroustrup)" - I was expecting Stroustrup to start doing the gangnam dance... :(
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9:19 PM
qt3.14 == cutiepie
 
@LuchianGrigore lol
 
@LuchianGrigore WTF
Someone should suggest that for the next conference.
 
Opa C++11 style.
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eeeey sexy lambdas!
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@Pubby agreed
 
I have to go, I'll talk to you guys later tonight
 
9:20 PM
(I'll just get back to work now) :(
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@LuchianGrigore Probably best for everyone.
Poop is finally falling off the starboard. </self-unfulfilling-prophecy>
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@R.MartinhoFernandes not if I have anything to say about it (starred)
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It's a poopfest.
 
The amount of @LuchianGrigore posts on starboard is too damn high.
 
So, wait, in addition to being a repwhore, he's a starwhore?
 
9:27 PM
WTF
stars everywhere!
 
Star sluts!
 
Hey, who knows bout Asymmetrical Key Cryptography?
 
@EtiennedeMartel :( of course not (please star this)
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@Crowz Ron Rivest.
 
@JerryCoffin derp.
 
9:32 PM
@LuchianGrigore Subtle.
 
This assignment is making me reconsider my major hoooooray!
 
@Crowz What do you want to know about it?
 
@JerryCoffin I just wonder how onion routing uses it, exactly.
 
Still, @Luchian, you know what I like about you? Aside from that sexy smile? It's the fact that you are fully aware of your repwhorism.
 
with a std::array, can one write a.end() instead of a.data() + a.size()?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I never denied that. I made it fully clear I want to reach 100k.
@EtiennedeMartel also
 
@Borgleader thx! i'm wondering if it's guaranteed to be a raw pointer?
 
So much bromance in here.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You're the one doing the bromancing
 
@DeadMG Got any problem with that?
 
9:35 PM
no homo
 
oh
what did I miss?
 
live and let live, i say
 
@DeadMG Oh, you.
 
he's jealous, dat puppy is
that he hasn't got no bromance going on :P
 
you fail
 
9:36 PM
Ho shouldn't be, I can share...
 
every damn time I turn on my Xbox, there's some shitty update
WTF
this is worse than Windows Updates!!!
 
Xeo
@Cheersandhth.-Alf No
typedef implementation-defined iterator;
typedef implementation-defined const_iterator;
From the standard.
 
Is there a CSS like GUI builder for C++?
 
@GiovanniDiToro I wasn't aware there was a CSS like GUI builder for anything non Web.
 
there is
well, what is the best GUI builder for c++?
 
9:40 PM
@GiovanniDiToro The least bad would be Qt Designer, I think.
 
@GiovanniDiToro my favorite has always been qt
 
Xeo
"GUI" and "best" just don't fit together in a single breath.
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@GiovanniDiToro you can use CSS in qt
 
ok , thanks , everyone
 
What the hell happened to all the poop?
 
9:51 PM
It became the fertilizer of a great conversation
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Hmm, wikipedia draws no distinction between the QT framework and the QT program.
oh, there's teh link to the QTCreator program. Buried in the bottom half of the page.
 
@Crowz Sorry, had a phone call. The basic idea is that you create a packet intended for some destination. You then encrypt it with a PK algorithm, so only one specific router can send it there. Then you encrypt the result with a PK algorithm, so only one other specific router can send it to the first one. Repeat a half doze times (or so). It's about like if I sent you a lockbox (to which you had a key) containing an address slip and another lockbox (to which you didn't have a key).
 
@Mysticial short answer - I started starwhoring.
 
Each person/router that receives the packet knows how to send it to the next, but that's all (until it reaches its final destination).
 
@JerryCoffin Ooooh wow you're awesome
 
10:04 PM
@bamboon wikipeida suggests its debugging support is sub-par
 
Because that is the clearest explanation I have heard
 
@MooingDuck I didn't find it that bad when I used it a while ago
 
@bamboon I'll have to try it sometime
 
@Crowz Glad to help.
 
@MooingDuck I think that would be the best
 
10:07 PM
> ISO/IEC 8859-1:1998, Information technology — 8-bit single-byte coded graphic character sets — Part 1: Latin alphabet No. 1, is part of the ISO/IEC 8859 series of ASCII-based standard character encodings, first edition published in 1987. It is generally intended for “Western European” languages (see below for a list). It is the basis for most popular 8-bit character sets, including ISO-8859-1 (informally referred to as latin1), and Windows-1252.

A closely related but distinct character set is ISO-8859-1 **(distinguished by a dash after "ISO").**
Oh gawd, whyyyyyy?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because the people who implemented ISO-8859-1 intended to implement ISO 8859-1, but failed.
 
...
despair
I am going to implement the dashy one.
struct dashy_one { blah blah };
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you need me to break some legs?
 
As if the madness would ever end...
> (however the draft HTML 5 specification requires that documents advertised as ISO-8859-1 actually be parsed with the Windows-1252 encoding.[2])
 
Coliru's sandboxing has been improved. It runs in a chroot, number processes and filesize are capped. Timeout seems to be working. So if you like you can use it again.
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You can still run shell commands. You can even invoke the compiler if you want. Just keep in mind that there's a 5 second timeout.
 
10:12 PM
@StackedCrooked Keeeeeeewwwwwl. Imma pin that if it's ok with you.
 
Ok.
Apparently it should be possible to escape a chroot, which I tried, but didn't seem to work
Because it requires invoking the chroot command, which requires root priviliges.
 
@JerryCoffin As I understand it, the story goes like this: they fucked up (ISO 8859-1). Then they "fixed" it and to "distinguish" added a dash to the name. But it was still fucked up, so they "fixed" it, but it was a breaking change, so they named it ISO 8859-15. But it was still fucked up, so Microsoft came and "fixed" it again, and that is Windows-1252. However, some people started to mislabel Windows-1252 as ISO-8859-1, so software authors "fixed" it by interpreting ISO-8859-1 as Windows-1252.
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how did they fuck up ISO-8859-1 and ISO 8859-1?
 
@DeadMG Forgot some characters.
 
lol
 
10:20 PM
The -15 version added them, but removed others.
Windows-1252 added them back.
 
Ell
hi guise
 
Okay new question... symmetrical key cryptography in Onion routing, why?
When they establish the "shared secret", it says they use symmetrical key cryptography, a "session key". But for what?
 
Ell
so your session can't be looked at? o.O
 
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Q: $exists in python

JuliaI am iterating through a database and want to add the variable value of key "number" to a list x, only if this key exists. There are some documents where there is no key "number". Inside mongo I would use the $exist, but I don't know how to do it in python. I tried this but it doesn't work... ...

LMAO
that question name xD
 
@Ell What do you mean?
 
Ell
10:25 PM
@Crowz I don't really know the answer, but isn't it so your connection is encrypted?
so it can't be sniffed?
 
@Ell Yeah but this is my first time intoing networking
@JerryCoffin What is a PK algorithm?
 
Completely off-topic question: Does anyone by random chance, know why lunar eclipses come in groups of approximately 4?
 
@StackedCrooked using futures gives me filesize errors
 
@bamboon Hm..
 
@Mysticial I bet that's something on the (apparent) radius or ratios thereof to some angular change
 
10:31 PM
I'm thinking it's some sort of resonance.
 
@bamboon Try again?
 
Where every 6 months, the moon goes back to almost the same position relative to the sun and Earth. So when it "shifts" into position, you get 4 consecutive hits until it "shifts" away. - Just guessing though...
 
@Mysticial if it moves say 1 degree per day relative to each other, but the size is ~400% of the movement then you'd get a few discrete positions per cycle
 
@Mysticial Is there an astronomy.SE you could ask?
 
still, /tmp/compile.sh: line 5: ulimit: file size: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted
g++-4.7: internal compiler error: File size limit exceeded (program cc1plus)
 
10:34 PM
@Borgleader I'm too lazy, so I'm just gonna dump my question here like all the newbies before me who got binned and plonked by the puppy.
 
@Mysticial looks like every 6 months to me, but the top of the page implies some sort of agreement with you: "Five lunar eclipses are added below for before 2001 to complete the first cycle."
 
@Flexo I know for the Venus transits, every 8 years, Earth, Sun, and Venus return to almost the exact same positions. So when it shifts into place, you get two transits 8 years apart. I suspect the same for Lunar Eclipses.
 
@Mysticial I don't think there's any sort of Earth-Moon resonance. It may be just that we are going through a period when they come in groups of four often.
 
@Mysticial the grouping of the eclipses on the page suggest an 8-eclipse cycle or "set"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They're not real "resonances" (in the sense of Jupiter's moons - which are locked into 1-2-4), just periods where they return to roughly the same positions.
 
10:36 PM
@bamboon It should work now.
 
@Mysticial Yes, I know. I don't think there is one with small integers.
 
@StackedCrooked Wait, your stacked-crooked.com is working and I can compile stuff in it? Yeeeeee
 
Also, doesn't orbital resonance require the bodies to be orbiting the same body?
 
@ThePhD Yep. Minimal future set though.
 
It has GCC 4.7.2. That's all the feature I need.
 
10:38 PM
@Crowz Public Key -- i.e., asymmetric encryption.
 
@JerryCoffin Ooo I see.
 
Resonances are only when the orbital periods are near some integer ratio. Most resonances are unstable - that is they will purturb either other away from the resonance. But some are converging and self-correcting.

3 of Jupiter's moons are locked in a self-correcting 1-2-4 resonance
Neptune and Pluto are locked into a self-correcting 2-4 resonance
Earth and Venus are close to a 8-13 resonance. But this resonance is neither stable nor unstable. It's just coincidence.
 
All those examples have them orbit the same body.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Conincidental resonances can be between anything thing regardless of whether they interact or not.
 
@StackedCrooked mkdir errors now ;)
 
10:41 PM
Refresh :)
 
> In celestial mechanics, an orbital resonance occurs when two orbiting bodies exert a regular, periodic gravitational influence on each other
 
@StackedCrooked ah yeah, it works
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that's a slightly different definition than the one I had in mind. Mine was a bit more loose.
 
And none of the examples on Wikipedia has primary-secondary.
They are actually separated by which body they orbit.
 
*correction, Neptune and Pluto are in 2-3 resonance. Not 2-4. Typo.
 
10:43 PM
You can view some history here. It's embarrassingly crappy though.
 
I'll system you if you're not careful
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
A primary (or gravitational primary, primary body or central body) is the main physical body of a gravitationally bound, multi-object system. This body contributes most of the mass of that system and will generally be located near its center of mass. In the solar system, the Sun is the primary for all objects that orbit around it. In the same way, the primary of all satellites (be they natural satellites (moons) or artificial satellites) is the planet they orbit. The word primary is often used to avoid specifying whether the object near the center of mass is a planet, a star or any other a...
In the Earth-Moon system, Earth is the primary.
 
ah
 
@DeadMG Are you referring to my site? (Because you can use system() if you want.)
 
10:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think it matters though. If the relative positions of Earth, Moon, and Sun happen to fall nearly onto a 6-month cycle that returns them to roughly the same starting positions, then that would explain the clustering of eclipses.
 
no
 
@Mysticial check a 4 year cycle
 
@MooingDuck 4 year cycle?
 
@Mysticial Ah, sure, but that is not due to orbital resonance: at the to scale of Earth's orbit the gravitational influence between the Earth and the Moon is more constant than periodic.
 
@Mysticial look at the pictures on the right (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_21st-century_lunar_eclipses), they follow a four year cycle. Wikipedia even has grey bars seperating each cycle. It also says "Eclipses from August 1998 are included to complete the first eclipse set." and "(Five lunar eclipses are added below for before 2001 to complete the first cycle.)"
 
10:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes In other words, I was just misusing the term.
 
unrelated: my wife made brownies :D
 
Can I have one?
 
@MooingDuck Oh, I see. They're clumped in 4 year chunks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you want it that much, you can go and get it. :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't share so good
 
10:51 PM
Should I name it latin1 or iso_8859_1?
Probably better to avoid the latter due to dashes, no?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In this area, originality seems to be preferred -- named it "greek 79"!
 
latin1
Please, my brain.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@JerryCoffin How about "ISOFuckedUpAgainAgainAndAgainAndThenMicrosoftFuckedItOneLastTime"?
 
@JerryCoffin So, I think I finally got the hang of FSCTL completely. I'm about to see if I can make a directory-scanning app that immediately replaces textures and other development items loaded into the game on-the-fly when the file gets replaced.
 
10:54 PM
@DeadMG But the Microsoft one is not this one.
 
eh
I'm sure that the necessary adjustments will appear evident to you
 
I had to put a goto case. Now I feel dirty. Damn C#.
 
@ThePhD Hey, cool. Sounds like fun.
 
If it works, I'll throw out a picture on here showing a dynamically changing picture!
It'll be faaabulooous.
 
10:55 PM
#endif // OGONEK_ENCODING_UTF8_HPP
^ last line of <ogonek/encoding/ascii.h++>. Ooops.
 
What's oops about that? o_O
... OH IT'S ASCII derpderpderpedperp
Not that it matters: UTF8 Everywhere, right?
It's compatible nobody will notice.
 
Only one-way.
 
Oh, that reminds me.
The underlying types of ogonek
They're all signed, rather than unsigned
particularly, char , for UTF8.
 
And?
char is guaranteed to hold all the code units of UTF-8.
I do all bitwise stuffs in unsigned.
 
Can I use std::uint8_t with ogonek?
 
10:58 PM
Yes.
 
I dunno. I always thought unsigned would be best, just because it's a distinctive type-difference.
 
@ThePhD u8"" has type char const[1]. My hands are tied.
 
Oh. Right. Yeah DeadMG was telling me about that actualy.
Curse you, IsoCPP.
 
But you can use an underlying container with a compatible type.
 

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