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4:00 PM
bwahahaha
 
We should name it C++10 (like 2 in binary) just to confuse people
 
@thecoshman You mean like this?
 
@kbok Meh. char[]? Really? – There’s another X-to-C++ compiler which essentially sanitises syntax (Specs or something like that) but it didn’t look convincing
 
@StackedCrooked yeah, but made of waterproof material
 
@KonradRudolph This question was more meant as a "Does D sucks or something?", but in this case I think you answered it too
 
4:01 PM
@kbok now that is forward thinking
 
So I scored a 64GB USB thumb drive for $20! That's a $70 savings. Awesome huh?
 
Sounds more like you were not robbed.
 
I you hadn't bought it it would have been $90 savings.
 
You can see it as a $70 savings + a 64GB USB thumb drive saving.
 
@StackedCrooked is his time worth so little?
 
4:04 PM
@sbi it is actually a quite good book. Particularly because it doesn't try to pretend to teach you a language in a week as such. It's really about poking around with various different languages and paradigms to learn what they have to offer and become a more well-rounded programmer :)
 
@StackedCrooked Bingo
 
Just saying I can't believe how much the price was reduced. And it's not a cheap generic.. it's SanDisk.
 
@Chimera I have seen 32GB ones for 15€. I am not sure if a 64GB one would cost $70 more.
 
Anyone read this? What are your thoughts?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that's what the store said... dunno. $20 for 64GB is still a good deal
 
4:06 PM
@sbi I have a shameless request for you.
@EtiennedeMartel Stopped reading at "Apple"
 
@Cicada You racist.
 
@Cicada Oh you!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Same old, same old?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wow, thanks for the 30 pages about how headers suck
 
I did nothing.
 
4:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel doesn't it still result in epic compile times when people insist on clean builds all the time? rather then trusting the compiler to compile the same code to the same thing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I saw that history.
 
@thecoshman Yes. Also, WTF did you expect?
If you force a full rebuild, you get the compile time of a full rebuild.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I dun like that export syntax
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes All of them
 
There's no way to make a full rebuild that does not rebuild everything.
 
4:12 PM
@BeyondSora Meh FUD?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes keep your capacitors on, I was only saying
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Woo. Philosopher at work
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow that's pretty innovative
 
@Cicada My point is that he is missing the point.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The modules system as presented in the link would also improve clean build times. IIRC.
 
4:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes He totally is.
 
> export std.stdio:
 
Have this one: .
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My point is that you're making the point about him missing the point.
 
^ meh
 
@thecoshman It's O(MxN) against O(M+N).
 
4:14 PM
@StackedCrooked seems to imply that, depending on the what you use though... wonder how smart a compiler can make modules using other modules
 
@sehe well, I just didn't like the syntax... import felt too much like java, export s also out of place. But I like the idea
 
The presentation says compiled modules would be cached. I assume it is cached across multiple compilation units.
 
I would expect that there would be no caching of your files when you do a full rebuild.
 
@BeyondSora it does seem like an odd thing, surely module myModule{} makes more sense, much like namespaces
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The second source file that is built can already reuse the cached modules that were also included in the first source file.
 
4:16 PM
@BeyondSora Note that one goal of modules is that import feels somewhat like Java.
@StackedCrooked Oh, yeah.
 
@thecoshman yeah, also import std::iostream; instead of import java.long.ass.lib; prbly makes more sense...
 
@BeyondSora sooo. what syntax would be more reasonable? extern "C++20" { #include module std.stdio; }? (PS. that would break preprocessors)
 
I wonder how this could be make to play nice with templates and shit. It looks terribly risky to me.
 
@BeyondSora I can see import std::stream::iostream::istream coming soon
 
Also what's wrong with PCH if it's the compile times that matter ?
 
4:17 PM
@kbok The same way PCHs can.
 
@BeyondSora Well, Java's import works.
 
@kbok PCHs don't solve the other problems, and are not modular.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes PCHs don't have to be standardized
 
@EtiennedeMartel Amazing!
 
@kbok But PCHs are not modular, and don't give you proper scoping.
 
4:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes > if it's the compile times that matter
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, weird that they got at least one thing right.
 
Not implying they solve anything else
> It seems like there might be interesting uses for an LCD panel as dynamically variable pinhole apertures for cameras and displays.
 
@kbok The problem with PCHs is that you cannot put too much into them.
Otherwise you get very long compile-times from time to time.
 
Like you can have statically variable apertures ?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hum, yeah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes <devils advocate> why not?
¬_¬ helps if I read first
 
4:20 PM
@thecoshman Because then when you change one of those things you put into it, you need to recompile the whole PCH: i.e. they are not modular.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but would not the same happen with modules?
 
So you only put the very few things you never ever change, like some stdlib includes and boost stuff.
 
user1182183
Anyone recommends a website where I can look for people who want to rewrite some code for free (because they like to help other people?)? : P
 
@GamErix code review?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman The problem with PCHs is that you can only have one.
 
4:20 PM
But now you have all the namespace pollution of those stdlib includes and boost stuff everywhere.
 
Xeo
With modules you'd have many.
 
any hoops,
 
user1182183
@thecoshman well it's for review but are there people who are willing to help me rewrite some code? :$
 
home time for me
 
user1182183
@thecoshman have a nice day ; p
 
4:22 PM
@GamErix I doubt there is a site where people work for you for free.
 
@GamErix You can hire indians for that, they are conceptually free.
 
(Just kidding)
 
Don't expect an increase in quality though. You'll get a rewrite, nothing more.
 
@kbok Maybe they will retype it!
 
Love this Apple proposal to kill include files in C/C++ and bring modules instead: http://llvm.org/devmtg/2012-11/Gregor-Modules.pdf
 
4:23 PM
GW BASIC had no headers!
 
^ Is this sarcastic ?
 
Of course.
 
@kbok Hey, it's Miguel!
 
@kbok I don't see why it would be.
 
user1182183
@kbok the only thing I want is to reduce total execution time, it's 608 ms, while the 'core' function takes ~30 ms, soo.. that 608ms is way too high
 
4:24 PM
Because this guy is weird sometimes
 
@GamErix Run a profiler.
 
I think he's cool.
 
@GamErix Rewriting won't get you anything then
 
user1182183
@EtiennedeMartel It's multithreaded code, and I have no idea how to run a profile on my code
 
user1182183
but ok I'll try code review ;p
 
4:25 PM
Oh, well, aren't you in for quite a treat!
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, he is not. He is trying to find someone to take that treat.
Good luck.
 
what the fuckety fuck
some guy provides me with source code because I have to build his stinky DLL that crashes (why do I have to do that in the first place?)
I copy the DLLs from build-dir/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess it's a good plan.
 
@GamErix Likely a lot of time is spent waiting for locks.
 
But no, those are the wrong DLLs, there are two others with exactly the same name in two other directories and the three of them are different and only one works
 
user1182183
4:27 PM
@StackedCrooked yea you're right I think
 
@kbok sounds like a typical scenario for an uncontrolled environment :)
 
user1182183
I have a while(lock_not_aquired){}
 
user1182183
a few times..
 
Cowboy Coding
@GamErix WUT
 
@sehe Yeeha!
 
4:28 PM
Sometimes I'd just want to ask "WTF, Are you drunk ?" to my coworkers
 
@kbok What's the matter? Language barrier?
 
user1182183
@sehe iknow I'm not the best programmer, even better, I know that I'm the worst here, compared to y;all xd
 
@kbok And then they file complaint for aggressive behavior :P
 
@sehe Huh, basic civil behaviour
 
@GamErix You wrote that yourself?
 
4:30 PM
@GamErix Doesn't sound like a good plan.
 
What is lock_not_acquired?
 
user1182183
 
user1182183
70% of that code, yes
 
There are two kinds of bad multithreaded code: code that doesn't lock enough (leading to weird non deterministic crashes) and code that locks too much (leading to poor performance that is sometimes even worse than the equivalent single threaded code).
 
@EtiennedeMartel There are others, like code that busy-waits, which is the case.
 
4:31 PM
@kbok Ow. Bummer
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Right.
 
Though in some cases where you have some extra knowledge, busy-waits are preferable to context switches.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes in a "simple way", the main thread recieves information that it has to calculate a route from node A to node B, the infor is pushed into a vector, the thread check's if the vector is empty, if not it locks it, takes the infor, unlocks it, and goes further, in meantime it calculated the route and returns it, then the route is stored in another vector, which is locked too
 
user1182183
then the main thread looks if the second vector is empty
 
user1182183
if not it passes the calculated data
 
user1182183
4:33 PM
to the script
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a famous reply from Terminator.
 
@GamErix How does the locking work?
What are you using for locking?
 
@GamErix This is a classical producer-consumer model.
 
Thermonuclear negotiation skills engaged
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes pastebin.com/cwYp392G
 
4:37 PM
Woot, we have compilation.
 
@GamErix Try using critical sections instead.
 
user1182183
 
user1182183
calculator thread
 
On Windows, mutexes are only good if you need to pass them accross process.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That is using critical sections, is it not?
 
4:38 PM
#ifdef OS_WINDOWS
        void Thread::BackgroundCalculator( void *unused )
#else
        void *Thread::BackgroundCalculator( void *unused )
#endif
hahahahaha what ?!?
 
Try crucial sections
 
user1182183
main thread #2 pastebin.com/0qEQbanA
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, then what is MUTEX?
 
Try crucifiction.
 
4:39 PM
Hmm, why does acquire not have a strong post-condition?
I mean, why doesn't it guarantee that the thing is acquired.
 
user1182183
pastebin.com/irmhtfVU main thread #1
 
@kbok I don't do fiction
 
AFAICS you are not making use of the information anyway.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes well you may help me here, else I just post on Codereview to not bother you guys :$
 
Just noticed the topic.
 
4:40 PM
@GamErix I don't know WinApi, but isn't there a non-Try version of EnterCriticalSection?
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes that mutex code someone here on SO wrote and gave me an example
 
user1182183
it's in one of my old topics
 
user1182183
/questions
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In fact, I don't see the acquiregetting called anywhere, or is it just within that RouteConnectorPlugin that it's not being used
 
does "can you please make a fucking installer" sounds like a good mail subject ?
 
4:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Surely there is
 
Hmm. wait.
 
@kbok Depends on what you want to discuss, and for how long
 
The docs for TryEnterCriticalSection say it takes a CRITICAL_SECTION as argument. Why are you passing a MUTEX?
 
@sehe I want to fucking discuss installers, ofc
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "fuck the police type system"
 
4:43 PM
Note how I shuffled the word order to circumvent potential puns
 
@kbok Does he know your twitter account? I reckon this is one of those passive-aggressive-things then - but in a weird and twisted way
 
@kbok Fucking puns is lame.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are*
 
@Cicada is
 
4:44 PM
Okay.
 
Hint: that is a "fucking" pun.
 
Hint: it's lame.
 
So, it's perfect!
 
Hint: you guys suck
 
It's an autological pun.
 
4:44 PM
It's time to go home
is
 
@sehe No, I just wanted it to get out
 
2 hours ago, by DeadMG
> I currently work with the C++ Standardisation Committee to resolve defects in the C++ language and library, and work on new features.
> resolve defects
lol
 
@GamErix It's not (IMO) a very good example. The queue that was posted a couple of minutes ago is even worse.
1
A: C++ iostream Corruption using stringstream

Jerry CoffinAt least in my opinion, this approach to the problem is at least somewhat clumsy to use, since it requires you to create an auxiliary ostream object of some sort, stream data into it, and then pass that to your log. That doesn't seem to fit very closely with what you've said you'd really prefer. ...

2
A: Is there a set of Win32 API functions to manage synchronized queues?

Jerry CoffinWindows doesn't provide exactly what you want. What it does provide is thread pools -- with these, you not only don't have to create the queue yourself, but you don't have to create or (directly) manage the threads either. Of course, synchronized queues do exist too, just not as part of Windows....

 
I finally finished the manual reinstall and it still crashes. The guy told me "it's probably on my side then." Well, no shit sherlock.
 
The first of these has a working mutex/RAII lock, the second a queue that doesn't require the user to know how to handle the locking and such.
 
4:47 PM
@JerryCoffin Where?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes RAIIt there
See, lame puns aren't your sole property.
 
@JerryCoffin Shouldn't lock be noncopyable?
 
11 mins ago, by Gam Erix
http://pastebin.com/8Egri8Va
 
@Cicada ohmondieu
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, probably.
 
4:49 PM
@JerryCoffin No, I mean the queue from a couple of minutes ago.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes -- if you look at the code in the link GamErix posted, it's using a queue, but doing locking from the outside, so to speak, to keep it sane. In short, a disaster waiting to happen I didn't look through the code enough to be sure, but I'd almost be surprised if there isn't a problem even in that tiny bit of code.
 
Ah, you were taking about what he posted. Somehow I got the impression someone had posted something else. Don't ask me how that happened.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably at least partly my fault -- I probably should have referred more directly to what I was talking about instead of just mentioning it.
 
When I'm having a bad day, that's what I want to do.
 
@TonyTheLion Decapitated? Okay.
 
4:58 PM
Nope
stick head in snow/sand
is more what that portrays to me
 
That sounds exciting!
 
One character in the book I am reading gave a hat as a gift to another one when he was decapitated.
 
@TonyTheLion I think I'd prefer this: visualphotos.com/photo/2x2552352/…
 
> visualphotos.com
dat name
 
user1182183
btw
 
user1182183
5:00 PM
I have
 
user1182183
#define MUTEX CRITICAL_SECTION
 
user1182183
on windows
 
@JerryCoffin You mean having a watermark in your face?
 
@Cicada Yes - as opposed to all those non-visual photos.
@EtiennedeMartel Obviously. What else could I possibly have meant?
 
@JerryCoffin Dancing with sentient bananas. Which isn't what this picture conveys.
 
user1182183
5:02 PM
 
@EtiennedeMartel How does it not convey that?
 
@GamErix Oh.
Does this work as a lesson not to use silly macros, then?
 
@GamErix Why #defines instead of typedefs and inline functions?
 
user1182183
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not so good at programming as you guys, I don't have so much knowledge :(
 
@GamErix It's okay, at least you're not as pedant as them :)
 
5:03 PM
@Cicada One day, you shall become as pedant as us.
 
@GamErix IMO, for something this platform specific, you're generally better off specifying an interface, then having one file to implement it for Windows, another for Linux, etc. Then handle building for one versus another at the level of the makefile.
 
Ok, everything compiles and passes tests and probably works. Time to go home.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nope
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel pedantry is bad!
 
@JerryCoffin It doesn't do any good to have MUTEX #if-switched for Windows and POSIX, and then using TryEnterCriticalSection on it regardless.
Also, POSIX mutexes are not supposed to be copied (their identity is their address)!
 
5:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Everything does? Thank you! One thing I've been working on has been a real pain...
 
The day everything compiled.
 
@Ell Non.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel Oui.
 
Ell
Narrrf
 
5:10 PM
I like octopi.
 
@Ell Depends on which definition you prefer. Some define it as something about "excessively concerned with details", which is bad by definition (i.e., a degree only qualifies as excessive when it's bad). OTOH: "c : a formalist or precisionist in teaching" would be pretty much a minimum requirement for teaching CS (at all well).
 
@EtiennedeMartel Octopuses.
 
Ell
@Cicada Octo pussies
 
@Ell Also the name of a James Bond film.
 
Ell
5:11 PM
@JerryCoffin yeah I guess my definition is the "excessive" one
I would never call someone pedantic in a good way
 
I didn't like Octopussy. Roger Moore as a spy? Please -- the guy wouldn't have lasted a day!
 
That's some busty girls
 
So, I guess Ian Fleming had an octopussy. Whatever that means.
And James Bond is in it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No -- despite what some misguided casting director may have decided, Roger Moore never was and never will be a James Bond.
 
5:16 PM
@JerryCoffin It was a pun on the whole phrase "James Bond 007 in Ian Fleming's octopussy".
> Despite the title, it has surprisingly little to do a popular subject of Japanese pornography.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nice one.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even a pun isn't a good enough excuse for calling Roger Moore James Bond.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, you humorless wasp.
 
@EtiennedeMartel missing a "with" ? Here, take this one : with
I'm evil
 
Ell
does one usually separate receiving network data, parsing it and acting on it?
 
5:20 PM
I spotted a chunk of code that is ugly and fishy and that I think should be fixed sooner or later - since I'm leaving, I just sticked the full name of a colleague of mine in a comment near.
@Ell Yes.
 
Ell
@kbok I'm not sure if I should or not.
 
I'm pretty sure you should
 
@kbok at our work we have a system. @@@devname (where devname is a developers first name), which is super easy to search for, to find things you should do between bug fixes.
 
@MooingDuck Nobody ever do that here, so it's going to be funny when someone finds the comment, calls him and he'll realize what I did :)
 
@kbok Note I never implied that these things ever get addressed. They're an ever-growing todo list that's completely ignored :(
 
5:23 PM
It's like a time bomb except that it brings blame instead of death.
 
@Ell You usually should. Although most would agree it's excessively formal and stultifying, that's the basic point of the standard 7-layer network stack model.
 
@Ell See it the other way around. What would happen if you were to mangle it? Is there any advantage?
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin I'm just thinking how I do it - do I write a LoginPacket, ChatPacket, CreateGamePacket etc. class for each time?
 
user1182183
 
@GamErix linkdumping? :<
 
user1182183
5:25 PM
@MooingDuck look chathistory ;p
 
user1182183
you know i'm not a linkdumper
 
@GamErix oh right, k
 
user1182183
:P
 
@GamErix thus the question mark :D
 
user1182183
yep ;D
 
5:27 PM
@Ell Parsing is usually done with a set of classes and some kind of RTTI. There may be other ways but I don't know what they are.
So yes.
 
@Ell Hard to say, without knowing more about what you're doing. This is one of those rare places that inheritance can be useful, but there's no guarantee it's the right solution for what you're doing.
 
sbi
@jalf Ah, Ok. That's very hard to get from its title, though.
@Cicada I'm not pedobear, so you can't seduce me.
 
@sbi Why would I want to seduce you.
 
What's a "Technical Sourcer" ?
 
sbi
@Cicada I can't imagine you thinking of anything else that's shameless.
 
Ell
5:30 PM
@JerryCoffin what should I google to look for documentation/advice on this kind of thing?
 
@sbi Well well well. Remember these two guys I talked about, who are going to Dresden? Turns out they are looking for a 2 months internship in Germany. Any tips I (well, you) could give them?
 
@Ell Umm...not really sure.
 
sbi
@Cicada Shrug. What do they want to do?
 
Oh it's a recruiter
@sbi Your markdown skills are getting rusty
 
Ell
5:32 PM
@JerryCoffin it seems to me like it would be easier to just receive data, parse data, act on data and that writing classes for packets is unnecessary
 
sbi
@kbok Do they? Why? What's wrong with that?
 
@Ell I suppose if what you're doing with them is simple enough, it might be. I've never run into such a situation though.
 
@sbi Anything, really. They just need it to be at least 8 weeks or they will fail their year.
 
@sbi It didn't work ? Try clicking it.
 
sbi
@Cicada Anything? Does that include cleaning toilets? Or are they limited to some technical field?
 
5:34 PM
@kbok Seems to be working here (goes to a Google search page for "technical sourcer"...)
 
sbi
@kbok Mhmm. It works for me.
 
@sbi Something not too far from CS/SE.
 
Weird.
 
@kbok I don't have that.
 
mornin'
 
5:37 PM
evenin
 
Yet you use garglecum, do you ?
 
sbi
@Cicada Ah, that. Ok. So how much do they know? What's their skill set? How much experience do they have? Which programming languages do they know? What systems have they worked with? What...
 
@LuchianGrigore where in the world are you?
 
Canada
 
West Coast right?
 
5:37 PM
Yup. Vancouver
 
oh nice
holiday?
 
@LuchianGrigore Omg this place is awesome, I so wanted to visit the rockies D:
 
@TonyTheLion work.
 
oh right
 
@Cicada so come.
At first I thought this time zone was awesome.
But repwhoring is a bit harder (/cc @Mysticial)
Btw - this is me for no shave November.
 
5:41 PM
I thought you had to leave only the mustache
 
sbi
@Cicada Vancouver isn't really the Rockies. Or am I just confusing this with Vancouver island? Also, if you think England has bad weather, visiting the northern Pacific coast will make you appreciate the nice summers in northern Scotland.
 
@sbi Hm, well, according to them or to me?
@sbi Vancouver in Canada.
 
I'm going to take a photo of me and photoshop my face out so that I leave only the beard.
@Cicada Ouch.
 
@Cicada Just FWIW, Vancouver is next to the North Shore mountains. I suppose you could sort of call that part of the Rockies, but it's quite a ways from the "backbone" of the Rockies (which would be much further inland, near Calgary).
 
@JerryCoffin For me Vancouver was "near" Calgary, but eh, North Americans have a different notion of distance than Europeans :)
 
sbi
5:43 PM
@Cicada Damn, whatever, but I do need something! How am I supposed to consider if I know someone worth asking if I have no idea about them?
 
@kbok et le dieu n'est pourtant pas ton propriété
 
@sehe I, hum, what
 
@sbi How can I put this in a non derogatory manner...
 
sbi
@Cicada Vancouver, the city, is right on the Pacific coast, far from what most people consider the rockies, and close to the rainy Pacific weather.
 
0
Q: Can anyone share a link to a short summary of c++ syntax for a phone interview?

user1854182I'm preparing for a code interview, and I'd like to have available a simple handout of C++ syntax, including simple things that I should know by heart in case I'm in blackout (how to define function,class) and the more tricky things - but short enough that I can print and look during the phone in...

 
sbi
5:46 PM
@Cicada You could say "this asshole I asked at SO chat said he hasn't anything for you."
 
@sbi Define far
@sbi Not derogatory for them lol
 
sbi
@Cicada I'd measure the driving distance in days.
@Cicada That was my answer, chirpie.
 
@Cicada You know you don't have to network people just because they happen to be from the same school as you, right ?
 
@Cicada Strange -- I was being careful to scale my idea of distances closer to European norms...
 
@sbi Let's just say that: they have the experience one would have at the end of a French CS engineering school.
@kbok They asked me. I'll do what I can, that's all.
@kbok I was offered a full time job in Russia thanks to an internet friend who I worked with, you know :)
 
5:50 PM
Not networking people whose skills you don't really trust is also how you keep your friends.
 
@sbi Unless my memory is failing me even worse than usual today, it's not really that far. I'm pretty sure you could reasonably drive it in one day (though that would be pretty much all you did that day).
 
@kbok I know. What I'm doing here is very delicate and I'm pretty sure @sbi is smart enough to understand what I am implicitly saying. (right?)
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I wasn't sure whether it'd be one day or several, but I assumed it not to be less than so many hours that one would call them "one day" — hence I'd measure it in days.
 
@Cicada That was very subtly put, but I think he got the hidden message.
 
@JerryCoffin When I applied for an internship in Calgary's University and looked for accomodation, I always asked for the distance between the home and the university. People always said "it's very close", and by that they meant "a 2h train ride to the town". :D
@kbok :) Honesty prevails.
 
5:54 PM
le this
 
sbi
@Cicada The thing is that, rather than handling this yourself, you bothered me with it, then made me pull the truth out of your nose in increasingly frustrated questions, thereby stealing my time and attention. That's not really fair on me, and it diminishes the value I will concede to your statements in the future. IOW: I consider this whole affair a pretty dumb thing.
 
Fair enough. Thanks and sorry for your wasted time and attention :)
 
You have a limited number of friends and they have a limited number of opportunities. If you bring someone competent, they will ask for more, and you'll be able to help your friends again. If you bring some dummy, they will never trust you again.
 
Do you think I do not know that very well?
 
@Cicada Okay. Well, let's put it this way: by the standard that Calgary is "close" to Vancouver, it would also be reasonable to say you practically live in Paris...
 
5:57 PM
@kbok I did try to be honest with what I said to @sbi while not spitting on the two guys. It's difficult.
 
It wasn't 100% clear TBH
 
@kbok Accept-encoding: woman
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin My experience with Merkins is they generally assume that I, living in Berlin, basically do live close to Paris.
 
Being honest may imply explaining to the two guys that they actually probably suck by a recruiter's standard and that it'll be very hard for you to help them. I know it's tough, I have friends who suck too. But that would also help them in some other way.
 

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