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8:01 PM
It's strange that UFO sightings are less frequent now that we all carry HD video recording equipment with us 24/7.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes proof that UFOs are somewhat shy OR that UFO reports are suppressed
 
Reminds me of that bit from a Zero Punctuation video about Castlevania: Symphony of the Night:
> The Castle Dracula has somehow become kind of dosshouse for every monster from every mythology ever; it's where they all hang out when they're not appearing in front of very credulous people with shaky hands and inexpensive cameras.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The reason cell phones cost so much is the CIA (or whatever) force the manufacturers to include a special chip to recognize and destroy any recording of a UFO.
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OMG! That is true.
 
i know of only 3 UFO reports that sound reliable "ET tech": RAF pilot in 1946 over Germany, and Belgium/Netherlands in early 1990s (triangle things caught on cams and radar etc.), and something down in Mexica observed/experienced by a couple of fighter planes, which was even on Norwegian television
 
8:04 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I beg to differ.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. Technically, beer and alcohol are indeed solutions, just like potassium chloride. Your point exactly?
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I have a Huawei. There. Just shattered your nice conspiracy theory.
 
@sbi There are no UFOs in Germany!
@Cicada What point?
 
@sbi How so? You think the "or whatever" is somehow restricted to the western hemisphere?
 
@sbi When he says "the CIA", he actually means "They".
You know, "They".
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Huawei is that Chinese manufacturer which the US made so much fuss over recently because they have no influence over their production.
 
8:07 PM
@JerryCoffin that chip is easy to foil by ... exactly, wearing a tinfoil hat!
 
Xeo
@Cicada Pure alcohol isn't a solution, is it?
 
@sbi Who said the influence stems only from the US though?
 
@Cicada "Salad makes everyone happy."
 
@Xeo And pure alcohol doesn't exist.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Curses, foiled again! (said the leftover Turkey as I put it back in the refrigerator for the 4th day running).
 
8:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Congrats on getting the reference.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@Cicada I can read your miiiind
 
user1182183
code review, nice I've already 5 badges and 11 rep but no answers on my question xD
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin You know, 15 years ago, when they were all the rage in Usenet, I laughed about those joke threads, too. Now I'm just tired of all the nutcases out there who provide the blueprint for them.
 
Xeo
8:11 PM
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Q: Where in the C++11 standard does it specify when a constexpr function can be evaluated during translation?

sschurrJust because a function (or constructor)... is declared constexpr and the function definition meets the constexpr requirements ...doesn't mean that the compiler will evaluate the constexpr function during translation. I've been looking through the C++11 FDIS (N3242, available at http://www.o...

 
Ell
@Cicada why not? o.O
 
Xeo
The more I dig into the standard, the more I believe that constexpr T var = constexpr_init(); isn't required to be actually evaluated at translation time.
 
Xeo
Unless you go and use var in a context where a constant expression is needed, like array bounds or a template argument.
 
user1182183
@Ell It's just a substance, it should be able to create pure alcohol. If it doesn't exist in nature it doesn't mean you can't create it :P
 
8:13 PM
@Ell It's never pure
 
Ell
@Cicada but pure alcohol does exist?
 
@Ell Not
 
@GamErix Making anything truly pure is next to impossible. You can pick a level of purity you prefer, but excluding absolutely all impurity is essentially impossible.
 
Ell
just join an esther with a carboxylic acid or whatever it is
there you have it, at least one molecule of pure alcohol
 
@Ell But then you depend on having pure esther and pure carboxylic acid.
 
user1182183
8:14 PM
@JerryCoffin if you work with nanotechnology it's possible :)
 
@Xeo That's true for all constant expressions.
 
@GamErix Maybe -- in theory. At least with normal methods of producing alcohol, not so much.
 
user1182183
@JerryCoffin but like we care if it's 99.999999% or 99%
 
user1182183
doesn't matter in real world :P
 
@GamErix Still not pure.
 
8:16 PM
not sure but this looks like the footage i remember
 
user1182183
@Cicada well, absolute is the more correct term :p
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but I was under the impression that declaring var as constexpr would suffice.
 
@GamErix Now you are back to what Jerry said.
 
very difficult to find things: nobody seems to understand that it's a good idea to keep f*****n references
 
8:16 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf That's just swamp gas
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes kinda ; o I just dropped in without reading the entire conversation
 
@Pubby could be but those fighters move pretty fast, you know, jet fighters
 
@Xeo If you don't observe it in a way that tells you whether it is a constant expression or not, nothing suffices.
 
Xeo
True enough.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf > For the benefit of anyone not familiar with this incident, it occurred on March 5, 2004 almost 7 years ago. It was captured by an unarmed Mexican Air Force anti-drug smuggling aircraft and not a fighter jet. And it was conclusively proven to be distant oil well gas flames from the Canterall Oil Fields in the Gulf of Mexico and not UFO's by Captain Alejandro Franz in that same year. MATTER CLOSED
 
user1182183
8:17 PM
oh man, Code Review needs to be more popular xd
 
Xeo
Although constexpr T var = init(); requires init() to be a constant expression.
 
sbi
Sigh. Can anyone tell me what GCC complains about here? VC seems to be happy with this code.
 
@Xeo But that does not require actual evaluation. At least not in full.
 
@sbi Oh shit...
 
sbi
8:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, that's a famous one. We've been sending this around in the late 90s already.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Are you new to the internets or what
 
user1182183
@sbi srsly u wrote all tha urself? ; o gosh I don't understand that much of the code, nor the error.
 
@Cicada that sounds like a completely different thing. i mean, you gotta have at least two fighter planes, not one silly aircraft.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Mexicans.
 
user1182183
and srsly the room topic is totally incorrect
 
8:19 PM
@sbi I don't think so. I mean, MacBooks did not exist back then, and Facebook didn't either, and... oh, wait, was that a joke? Sorry, it's so hard to tell with you.
 
sbi
@GamErix That's actually way boiled down from what I originally wrote...
 
user1182183
@sbi ^.^
 
@Pubby From one of those swamps hiding under what looks on the surface like a desert...
 
@sbi That error looks like complete bollocks.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel You might want to look at what I replied to.
 
8:20 PM
I don't see any && in your code
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, to me it does so, too, but then I have been thinking that about the compiler all day.
 
@sbi Shit. My brain fucked itself for a second there.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope, isn't, I think
 
Xeo
Well, atleast not complete
ADL fucks you here.
 
sbi
8:21 PM
@Xeo Spill it!
 
Xeo
since std::tuple lives in std, and there are free rvalue overloads of ostream's operator<< templated on the second parameter, it likes that a bit more.
 
user1182183
small animated gifs allowed? : P
 
user1182183
like this one:
 
No
 
8:22 PM
@GamErix no
 
user1182183
@MooingDuck okok, no furry attack plox ;d
 
@GamErix Big animated gifs are allowed though
 
sbi
@Xeo I have been staring at this for 1min now, but I can't for the life of me make sens of it.
 
user1182183
@Cicada aha, reverse day today ; >
 
user1182183
 
8:23 PM
@GamErix I can put smileys at the end of each of my sentences too :3
 
Xeo
@sbi C++11 introduces (basically) template<class T> ostream& operator<<(ostream&& os, T const& v); overloads, for rvalue streams.
And those live in namespace std.
Since std::tuple lives there too, ADL is brought into the game.
 
user1182183
@Cicada I like smileys, you know ^.^
 
sbi
@Xeo Oh. What are those for?
Ah, never mind, I think I know.
 
Xeo
@sbi std::stringstream("foo") << "bar"
 
sbi
@Xeo Yep, thought so.
 
8:24 PM
@Xeo Not very useful though.
 
Xeo
In C++03, you'd get "foo0xabc231c3", in C++11 "foobar".
 
user1182183
so, any soul here who wants to 'review' code?
 
sbi
Oh well, fuck that, printing this was just a way to debug it, and I won't need that.
 
sbi
 
Hmm. I just had this thing that tastes and looks like a giant Ferrero Rocher.
 
8:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Let's you use a temporary instead of defining a variable, then using that. That's about it though.
 
it's a variadic templates mismatch
 
I think I might need some coffee. Or a gallon of milk.
 
i.e., it doesn't work because with std::tuple implemented by variadic templates, your operator<< must be implemented with variadic templates
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, but it returns an ostream&, not a stringstream&(&). Good luck making use of that without a cast.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG No, not really.
 
8:26 PM
else, you need to write a new operator<< overload for each number of arguments to std::tuple.
 
@DeadMG He knows that.
 
@Xeo Yes, really. If you have a std::tuple<int>, implemented with variadics, it won't match std::tuple<T1, T2, T3>. This is not true of the default-argument version.
 
His code actually uses the TR1 tuple.
 
that's why his operator<< won't match, and why the compiler picks the other one.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Look at the code. I just did exactly that.
 
Xeo
8:27 PM
@DeadMG Ah, yeah, I see now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, notice I said "lets you", not "lets you cleanly", or anything similar.
 
sbi
@DeadMG My operators do match.
 
Xeo
@sbi He means for operator<<(ostream&, tuple<...>)
For printing the tuple itself
 
yeah, that one
 
Xeo
not for concat'ing it.
 
sbi
8:27 PM
2 mins ago, by sbi
Oh well, fuck that, printing this was just a way to debug it, and I won't need that.
 
Xeo
Except he doesn't have variadic templates.
 
yeah, I know
his original code would work fine for any std::tuple that was implemented with the old X-arguments default-the-extra approach.
 
The Belgian UFO wave refers to a series of sightings of triangular UFOs in Belgium, which lasted from 29 November 1989 to April 1990. The sightings The Belgian UFO wave peaked with the events of the night of 30/31 March 1990. On that night unknown objects were tracked on radar, chased by two Belgian Air Force F-16's, photographed, and were sighted by an estimated 13,500 people on the ground – 2,600 of whom filed written statements describing in detail what they had seen. Following the incident the Belgian air force released a report detailing the events of that night. At around 23:00...
 
Xeo
yeah
 
sbi
8:32 PM
Ok, now onto convincing that old GCC...
 
@sbi Your original source should work fine with the old GCC.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Nope. No std::tuple in that.
 
right
I meant with tr1::tuple
 
lol, the rule about "And no PHP or Java questions, no matter what. They will be binned and you will be deemed annoying. See #1."
 
user1182183
hmm... where are all the shameless girls? I think I don't really see them in this room :p
 
8:35 PM
4 hours ago, by Cicada
@sbi I have a shameless request for you.
 
user1182183
i'm single os ye i need to live on, and look forward to meeting the one who is ment for me ;d
 
WTF are you smoking?
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't smoke
 
user1182183
nor take drugs
 
what
 
sbi
8:37 PM
 
user1182183
ah this wolrd today, one stupid joke and everybody thinks you're a addict xD
 
you're dutch right?
 
user1182183
well, the part that i'm single (again -.-') is true, wasn't a joke but ok.
 
user1182183
a polish guy between the dutch borders, for 11 years, yes
 
you're 11? ._.
 
user1182183
8:39 PM
i'm 18
 
user1182183
11 yrs in NL
 
user1182183
Oh man I would give anything now to see the face of everyone thinking I'm 11 xD
 
are you drunk
or high
or both
 
user1182183
unfortunately, none of both
 
> unfortunately
 
user1182183
8:43 PM
believe me you prefer me drunk ;)
 
user1182183
then I'm spamming the hell out of this chat
 
user1182183
when I'm able to get to this page
 
curses. Is there a way to tell MSVC9 to do the post build step of a project and all dependancies, without rebuilding everything, assuming there's lots of dependencies and I don't know what they are?
 
user1182183
@MooingDuck can't you select projects which have to be build and leaving everything else as-is in the solution explorer?
 
I right clicked on a program earlier and told it to Exit, and now the Exit menu option appears permanently on top of all windows. Stupid Windows.
 
8:45 PM
@MooingDuck Can you copy&paste the post-build command and run it manually?
 
user1182183
@MooingDuck at least Windows as a huge database of games to offer
 
@GamErix I don't know which projects I need, and there's a lot.
 
user1182183
@MooingDuck in each project you can select the dependencies, somewhere..
 
@GamErix yeah, I prefer Windows to everything else. That doesn't mean it's not stupid sometimes
@GamErix but only one layer deep. I can't get all dependencies.
 
user1182183
@MooingDuck ye that's sad :(
 
8:46 PM
this one is confusing me
the compiler seems to think I'm trying to pass a function or some crazy shit like that
 
user1182183
@DeadMG it's drunk.
 
@DeadMG You mean this? (((const int&)((const int*)(& i))))?
It's i with the implicit conversions to const int&.
 
ah ok
 
Yes, GCC is crazy like that.
Don't ask me why it takes the address and all that shit.
 
hmm
then why doesn't the code work?
 
8:52 PM
posted on November 26, 2012 by Eric Battalio

Today, Soma announced the availability of the Visual Studio 2012 Update 1! You can install it either from the download page (see "Visual Studio 2012 Update 1" under the "Additional software" section) or via the Extensions and Updates dialog in Visual Studio 2012. As promised, you can now use the Visual C++ compiler and libraries to target Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. To t

 
Oooh, no longer a CTP.
 
what, VS?
 
well that was fast.
 
I hope they fixed all the bugs in CTP
 
8:55 PM
I bet 1€ they didn't
 
@Abyx in only 24 days?
 
=\
 
hmm
that doesn't say anything about including the C++11 conformance features in the CTP
only about targetting XP
 
I thought it was the CTP for Update 1.
Why does it take so long to run a 1GB executable </rhetorical>
 

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