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4:00 PM
@LuchianGrigore Can you flag your own answer?
 
This is all in an attempt to make chains of two user-defined conversions work.
 
@FredOverflow I can, but I'd rather get 3 delete votes here than bother a mod with it. :)
 
@LuchianGrigore Well, if that's what you want... you got my vote :)
 
PreviewWidth is a very awkward name for a property. Two Ws right next to each other? Wut?
 
preview_width
 
4:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'm in .NET. Gotta follow their conventions.
 
Yeah, I hate typing those kind of names.
 
Fuck stupid conventions.
REBEL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wouch. That sounds painful for someone with his exposure. And the pretentions he seems to have
@CatPlusPlus Chess engine? He doesn't have the full chess board
 
Awesome, "this approach has surprisingly few issues, at least as far as I can see (if you spot others, do share them in the comments below)." scrolls down for comments... comments are closed. No feedback from me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm assuming the content of this is the same as what's on the blog, on which I've stumbled in the past. General recollection is 'meh'.
 
4:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes This is epic
 
@LucDanton I'm beyond meh for me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/me/meh/
 
On the other hand I never have high expectations when it comes to blogs.
 
What's that chess thing about
 
I think I'll feedback on reddit.
 
4:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus Is REBEL the answer to COBOL? :)
 
@sehe English is cool, especially in France. What bugs me is that they pronounce it "feune".
 
@FredOverflow Yes, it's second generation of MUMPS.
 
@EtiennedeMartel that would bother me too. I'd probably choke the first few times. Then get really fed up.
@CatPlusPlus It's an aphorism
 
Well, that explains EVERYTHING then
 
4:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus Scrawl up :)
14 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Yep, this guy doesn't have the full chessboard.
 
@sehe I mean, they subtitle English ads, for fuck's sake. They're not even proud enough of their own language to fucking translate foreign languages.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Subtitles are in English too?!
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's actually a requirement by law as a measure against those kinds of ads.
 
@EtiennedeMartel They dub movies.
 
@sehe No, I mean, when there's an ad for an American product, for instance, the ad is going to be in English, with French subtitles.
 
4:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Then how come you complain "They're not even proud enough of their own language to fucking translate foreign languages."
 
@CatPlusPlus A variation of "he's not playing with a full deck".
 
You mean, the companies aren't proud enough to produce them in French?
 
@sehe I'm talking about magazine ads, here. Printed stuff.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That helps... Cat was probably not following the discussion about this presentation you linked
@EtiennedeMartel Oh. That must some strange new meaning of the word "subtitles" that I was previously unaware of
 
@sehe Yeah, maybe.
 
4:13 PM
 
Ah, in part 3 he actually fixed the dangling reference so that it only becomes dangling after the full expression. So unless you use that in<> thing outside of a parameter list, nothing bad happens.
 
@sehe My analysis is that English is cool, so they gotta put it in English (I saw it in a Heineken ad, and another for Hyundai, I think), but they know the average French person has only basic understanding of English, so they put a French translation in small characters at the bottom of the page.
 
Foreign branding is an advertising and marketing term describing the implied cachet or superiority of products and services with foreign or foreign-sounding names. In non-English-speaking countries, many brands use English or specifically American-styled names to imply high quality and advanced technology. In English-speaking countries, many cosmetics and fashion brands use French or Italian-styled names to imply a connection to the style-conscious, while the northern European and Japanese names imply also high quality and advanced technology. English-speaking countries * Pret A Manger ...
That's what's going on.
By the way the name of that article on the French language Wikipedia is 'Foreign branding'.
 
@LucDanton "Foreigne Bronding"
 
But... then he goes on to not even dismiss perfect forwarding, but seemingly not even consider it :(
@EtiennedeMartel Brondingue FTFY
 
4:16 PM
Ah, yes.
> Buick had to rename its Lacrosse to Allure in Canada, because it was a euphemism for masturbation in Quebec.
Oh, I remember that one.
 
@LucDanton Awesome onebox image
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's also the Honda Fitta thingy. Fitta is vagina or something in some Scandinavian language, so they renamed it to Jazz in Europe and Fit in the US.
 
@sehe THANKS !!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least they did not rename it to "jizz".
 
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Q: Iterators to arrays of different sizes

FredOverflowThe following code compiles fine on my system: #include <array> #include <type_traits> static_assert(std::is_same<std::array<int, 5>::iterator, std::array<int, 7>::iterator>::value, ":("); Is that behavior guaranteed by the standard? Is...

 
4:19 PM
Why you guys shouting.
 
> That is, is there any way to write the above array-specific code without mentioning the size n?
 
@LucDanton Well, that's pretty recent.
 
@Fred erm, type erasure?
 
@EtiennedeMartel What is?
 
4:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Please elaborate.
 
@LucDanton The law.
 
@LucDanton That.
 
@FredOverflow write an any_size_array<T> that moves the N to a runtime data member?
 
@EtiennedeMartel 94? I think I'm missing some context. When did you make your observations?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess I asked him to /cc @kbok
 
4:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Interesting, but I feel that doesn't answer my question... I'd still upvote it though :)
 
I don't really have a timeline of the use of English in French advertisement, with or without French captions tbh. I know of that law, that's about it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a running joke.
 
@LucDanton Two or three years ago.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well the law is still in full force.
 
4:23 PM
Not that the law doesn't cover every kind of advertisement, what with free speech and all that. I think the captioning is done a bit out of habit. Not even as a legal recourse I would think.
 
Hah, the bugs are getting rid of one after another. I love that part.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, I just noticed that because of my somewhat nationalist opinions and the fact that such thing would never be allowed in Quebec because of our draconian language laws.
 
They shoot you if you speak English in public?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. Stop trolling.
 
French police never shoots you. Worst case they raise your taxes.
 
4:25 PM
But seriously, the French dub movies, man.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this
 
(And the German too, ffs)
According to @sbi there's only one theather in Berlin that shows unbutchered movies.
 
Greetings my friends! How are we doing today?
 
IIRC the Toubon laws are a bit more controversial from the point of view of the Anglo-saxon world, perhaps because of the (superficial?) similarity with Quebec. In France not a lot of people care because who cares about ads? The non-ad-related aspects of the laws are fairly innocuous, and those that aren't usually are anti-constitutional.
 
4:26 PM
The list is : legal stuff, public schools, ads.
 
@Chimera Fine thanks. Just got to work?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, been it work for an hour.
My productivity is a bit down since finding this room.
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Shh, don't tell your boss.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm trying to lure my boss here.
So far, no success.
 
@Chimera That's our superpower.
 
4:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOL
 
I have some friends who attended a school where the courses are given in Breton.
 
Sometimes I'm paranoid, that one of my coworkers is on here... THat is the real reason I changed my profile.
 
I've had this empty gist tab open since Monday and I can't remember what I wanted to write in it. I know it was something cool. I guess I'll put it out of its misery RAM :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tits?
 
On a gist?
 
4:29 PM
It's breast cancer month here.
 
Oh I signed up for two Coursera classes. Free classes taught by professors from US IVy league schools... Hope it's worth it.
 
Seriously, man.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Same here.
 
@Chimera Oh yeah, you mentioned that. I have no idea what that is, but good luck (is that even one of those things that needs luck? If not, have fun)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only thing is I don't see any C++ courses yet. But no biggie, I can learn from a book.
 
4:32 PM
C++ courses suck.
All of them.
 
The old cat was so much more creative.
 
The old cat ?
 
@Chimera Which ones? :)
 
Am I the only one that remembers a different, more lively, less bitter cat?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
4:35 PM
Damn you meatbags and your short memories.
 
hmm, MSVC is convinced I'm copying a boost::barrier somewhere.
 
@EtiennedeMartel better than Bash on Balls.
 
I need to think a little to pinpoint the time of the change, but I think it was around maybe three months ago.
 
then you are :P
 
I got criticized by a coworker for not having enough blank lines in my code :(
 
4:37 PM
to a certain extent that is a matter of personal taste
 
I'm surprised he didn't mention my lack of comments though. I always forget comments, unless I do something truly bizarre.
 
i dont comment all that much, i prefer to make the code as obvious as it can be
 
@Borgleader yeah that
I just measured this file, I average one comment per 53 lines.
Most of the comments are on global constant "settings". Describing valid ranges.
 
TIL<Chrome>: If you press Ctrl+Shift+PageUp/PageDown will move your tab to the left/right.
 
Since when do people speak XML o.O
 
4:40 PM
Ok, anyone remember the Cat before he was actually named Cat?
 
Useless tip. But you can impress your co-workers by moving your tabs without using the mouse. "Wow!"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's been cat for as long as I've been here, so since November
@VictorHugo not on my machine
tabbed programs need a "close tabs to right" options
(and corresponding left obviously)
 
@VinayakGarg Data Structures I ( refresher ) and the Programming Languages one
 
Meh, your meatbag RAM equivalents suck.
At least the Cat itself remembers it :S
I AM NOT CRAZY:
 
hmm, dinkumware.hpp is compiling with a warning.
 
4:45 PM
@MooingDuck Maybe the releases are different for other OS. Which one are you using? I'm on Ubuntu.
 
@VictorHugo WinXP 32
 
@CatPlusPlus By principle or by accident?
 
@Chimera I can't find Data Structure. Do you mean Sidgewick's Algorithm I?
 
@MooingDuck When you press Ctrl+PgUp, do you change to the left tab?
 
@VictorHugo yes
 
4:47 PM
@MooingDuck Windows XP, still? lol
 
@VinayakGarg Sorry, yes Algorithms I
 
@FredOverflow at work and at home
I'm not good at spending money, except on my wife. I buy her too much :(
 
@Chimera You are late to class!
 
@VinayakGarg The next session hasn't started yet...
 
MSVC Y U MAKING COPY CONSTRUCTORS?
 
4:50 PM
@MooingDuck How your release doesn't have the most useful command of all times? lol
 
@Chimera Now you mean Algorithms II.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cat's been a cat for at least as long as I have been here
 
Your lounge personas are too young.
 
@VinayakGarg No, the site is showing me that Algo I next session time is yet to be announced.
 
And of all the courses on Coursera, algorithms by Sedgewick is the best. The python course is horrible.
 
@MooingDuck You should do yourself a favor and buy Windows 7.
 
@FredOverflow I have it, I just dont have the time to reinstall everything
 
So you have a Windows 7 DVD, but it's not installed in your computer?
 
@FredOverflow yes
 
Since when do you have it?
 
4:53 PM
@Chimera I didn't knew there were different sessions as well. Anyway, you will just be watching some videos, and maybe taking assignments.
 
@Chimera you are late for an online class because you are in the lounge? Give this man a cookie.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes He was PiotrLegnica on Apr 29 '11 7:46 PM, and became Cat Plus Plus by May 4 '11 10:22 PM.
 
@VinayakGarg Ok cool. I have no idea what to expect.
 
@FredOverflow erm, I dunno. About a year ago?
 
Why did you buy it when you don't have the time to install it?
 
4:54 PM
@FredOverflow I didn't buy it per-se. Someone handed it to me.
 
That's nice. I bought it yesterday :) Need it for my job.
 
Though I can't recall who. One friend or another.
 
Someone, huh? Someone named µTorrent?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no doubt that's where he got it.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What are you implying there?!
 
4:57 PM
wait, can I not do boost::thread(myfunction, referenceparameter);? IT'S MAKING A COPY OF MY OBJECT!
 
What'd you expect? Use reference_wrapper.
 
@MooingDuck it's the same for std::thread use boost::ref
 
@CatPlusPlus I expected perfect forwarding to my function :/
 
@sbi He used the M-word when referring to yourself.
 
sbi
@thecoshman This is actually part of a much longer video which I just watched, and which is very interesting. I have read a lot of books by de Waal, and like what he is doing: showing a continuity from animal behavior to human moral, rejecting the idea that you need some higher authority/intellect to develop moral.
When that monkey gets agitated, everybody laughs out loud, but do they understand why they do that? It's because this is so "human". Well, in fact, it isn't specifically human. Yes, we have a higher developed sense of moral and fairness, but it has its roots there in those monkeys (which are far removed from our ancestors.)
 
5:00 PM
How do you want to perfect forward across thread boundary?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, he didn't, even though you implied that.
 
Also, it's Boost, it might not do perfect forwarding at all.
 
@CatPlusPlus never dawned on me that there would be problem. If you say there is, I believe you and can work around that, but I don't see an immediate issue.
 
I don't know, I never implemented that.
bind requires reference_wrappers too
 
nope, changed all references to pointers, and it's still got a copy somewhere
 
5:02 PM
@MooingDuck Hey, that's what perfect-(re)storing is all about. Perfect forwarding is not applicable here.
 
now I have to figure out how to compile this with GCC
@LucDanton it probably uses perfect restoring underneath, but at the user code it ought to look like perfect forwarding.
 
There's nothing perfect about that kind of restoring.
 
sbi
 
Erm, now I don't know if I should point out typos or not. You broke me.
 
@MooingDuck Do you want auto r = bind([](P p) {}, std::move(p)); r(); r(); to work, and if so with what semantics for the second call?
(P being move-only.)
Oh well, it doesn't really have to be. But easier to reason about.
 
5:06 PM
@LucDanton UB for the second call, it's moving from same variable twice.
 
@sbi Who's that guy?
 
@sbi "an" FTFY
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know. He very effectively killed any debate, though, with his stupid rabulistic.
@kbok Too late.
 
@MooingDuck Ugh.
 
@MooingDuck Okay. Now imagine I want to bind a value constructed from p with some functor -- this time I want successive calls to work. I can do auto r = bind([](P const& p) {}, p); but this costs a copy construction (what if I don't care about p anymore?), and obviously is not available to move-only types. Now what?
 
5:08 PM
@sbi You don't know? Oh. You crossed imaginary meta comment discussion swords with him before (why the fuck do I know this).
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, why do you? I don't know this myself!
 
Robot has amazing memory.
 
@LucDanton no wait, that only moves once, because the move is in the bind, not in the lambda. That should work fine, right?
 
@MooingDuck The argument to the functor is P p. The type is move only.
 
@sbi @sbi He's in the SU chat apparently, if you want to talk to him (although I'm not sure that you would want to do that)
 
5:12 PM
@LucDanton ah right, so it would move from the bound object to the function itself, so it would still be UB.
 
@jalf: This is a community-driven site, in which moderation starts from the users. This is how the network operates, you both are trying to state that this is not the case; you are the one making a statement that disagrees with existing text so you are the one that has to proof that the existing text is not the case... Please proof his statements that tells that this networks' written intention is not true?Tom Wijsman Mar 5 at 9:19
Man, that was hard to dig (sbi gets into the discussion later on).
 
sbi
@kbok Why would I? Just look at the "discussion" he incited. Really, I don't even know what he wanted.
 
@MooingDuck 'UB' is a strong thing to say. We were only interested in the semantics and what matters is that only the first call will receive the value that was constructed at binding time. Now about that second situation!
 
> Facebook, Apple, and Google all got away with their monopolist power grabs because they don't have any 'S's in their names for critics to snarkily replace with '$'s.
 
@LucDanton I'm still trying to understand the second situation. It looks like it ought to copy p into the bound object, if you wanted to move it, you should have std::move(p)
 
sbi
5:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah!
@Tom: You asked for proof that SO users have been burned here and do not come to MSO. Jalf provides that proof. You dismiss it because you see no proof in them saying explicitly that they have been burned on meta. So I spell it in bold for you. And now you come and ask me what I am talking about? And to top it all off you ask me to point out deleted comments of other people? Or are you asking about my comments I cited in that blog entry? I am sorry, but I have kids and my time is way too precious to waste on people who can't read or comprehend even when they have it spelled it to them. HAND. — sbi Mar 6 at 22:22
I remember that. And did I mention he's an asshole?
 
Where's my cookie? (Note that there's no search facility for someone's comments, so I had to dig this up... the hard way)
 
Going to the other sites' popular chat rooms is really weird. It's like going to another dimension.

 The Comms Room

ServerFault's lobby
 
@sbi You did.
 
@MooingDuck But we want our imaginary design to look like perfect forwarding. If I perfectly-forward an rvalue, then while it will bind to P const&, it won't bind to P&.
 
We should lure him here and troll him to death.
 
5:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Please, no.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's been given to the other robot.
 
I'm not a lab experiment!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or we could send Alf at him. Test his tenacity.
 
I wonder how the puppy's doing. I guess his interview should be over by now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Presumably it didn't end early, which is always good
 
5:19 PM
He's probably not got interwebs at his hotel
seeing he has no laptop
 
Oh, right.
 
sbi
Never you mind, @Tom, a helpful soul has just pointed out this. I had forgotten your name. Really, this site needs a way to plonk users. — sbi 11 secs ago
See, robot, I even implied you have a soul.
 
@sbi He has a soul. He was struck by lightning once.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hope it is
@DeadMG Did you survive? Probably not online though. Wifi at hotels tends to be expensive
 
hello :)
 
5:27 PM
@Tuntuni Hi. Are you new here?
 
@EtiennedeMartel R.Martinho Fernanstein?
 
Pretty much :) Asked a couple of questions but yeah, still new :)
I love it though ;)
 
@Tuntuni As a rule, we ask any newcomer to read this.
 
@sehe It's odd, here in the US, the cheaper the hotel (excepting perhaps the independent motels around) the more likely the internet is to be free
 
Alright
 
5:29 PM
@Collin That's not odd. It is just easier and thus cheaper to run an open access point than to bother with accounting/metering/access control. You know, usually they have an open access point but run an internet proxy and filter internet traffic
 
"But if we detect any hint of entitlement, we will tell you to fuck off and go away. And if you persist, we will troll you to tears and whiny meta posts."
 
This infrastructure has a cost. So, cheap hotels will have completely insecured, unreliable, but free wifi :)
 
Made me laugh, lol.
 
@sehe Ah, that makes sense. I always figured it had to be that the nicer hotels more often put up business travellers, who were willing to put $14/day on an expense account
 
@Tuntuni it is the truth. magnified
 
5:30 PM
^^
 
@sehe I'm thinking of the Holiday Inns and Hampton Inns of the world, fairly cheap, but they still have you sign in with a password they give you on checkin
 
ah curses, GCC broke boost::threads and I have to update my boost
lets see if clang can work with this boost
also GCC -Wall finds a lot of scary things in boost.
 
Is it okay if I ask a quick question related to code organisation/design?
 
@Collin You know, they're cheap but they are BIG. They can standardize IT equipment. Therefore they can just roll in the boxen and a single sysadmin configures it. "Turnkey" proprietary solutions. Hell, they will probably even sell this "turnkey" solution to other (smaller) hotels for a fee
 
@Tuntuni As we said, it's okay to ask, but don't expect any answer.
 
5:33 PM
@Tuntuni Don't ask to ask. Small questions might be ok. They might be ignored
 
I'm sure theydo
 
Though, interesting questions are more likely to be answered.
 
Okay, well here goes (no source code).
 
@EtiennedeMartel Really interesting questions cannot be answered though. They can only be discussed, scrutinized or abhorred
 
@sehe And then shat on.
 
5:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I never do
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, built-ins for the indices trick?
 
If I have a class, would it be better to put the headers it needs into the .h of the class itself or into the .cpp? I'm currently putting them in .cpp because sometimes, if I need another class to be aware of this one, I don't want it including all the stuff that this one needs for itself.
 
@sehe I do take a shit once in a while.
 
So did I miss anything in the last 12 hours?
 
@Tuntuni Include the minimum of headers possible in the .h file, doing forward declarations if possible. It'll speed up your compiles
 
Xeo
5:35 PM
@Tuntuni Always in .cpp if you can and then use forward declarations in .h
 
@Xeo I never knew they existed either!
 
my version of clang can't compile my version of boost, too many errors :(
 
I was on TF2 for like 8 hours. Then I just crashed...
 
Xeo
Awesome.
Still doesn't allow you to do the indices-unpacking in one function, though. :(
If we got the using <Args> = ....; things to make a typedef-name for variadic packs, it would be possible.
 
@MooingDuck I always -isystem boost.
 
5:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know that option. ignores warnings in boost?
 
@MooingDuck Same as -I but treats everything in it as a system header, i.e., no warnings.
 
Well currently, my class .h won't recognise a struct that I need even though the .h in which the struct is defined is included before the class .h (this is all in class .cpp). As soon as I move that .h with the sturct into the class .h, it is good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what about all the errors?
 
@MooingDuck What errors? Errors in your code?
AFAIK, boost code has no actual errors.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my version of clang finds lots of errors in my version of boost. (Updating boost atm)
and my GCC finds lots of errors too
boost/detail/interlocked.hpp:122:8: error: expected unqualified-id before 'STRING_USERDEF' token
 
Xeo
5:42 PM
When building Filesystem, System and ProgramOptions, I had no problems
 
@Tuntuni Oh, don't rely on cpp include order to make your headers happy, every file should be individually happy. If your class uses the struct by reference or by pointer, then a forward declaration is ok, just put struct my_struct; before your class definition, otherwise include the header where the struct is defined in the header itself
 
@Tuntuni Can we see your #ifndef/#define lines from the header files you include in your cpp file? A common error is to use the same macro in different header files due to copy and paste. Then effectively only the first header will be included.
 
@MooingDuck Windows is trolling you, first the weirdly named standard library headers, now GCC can't compile boost?
 
> There is no I in team, but there is a U in cunt
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5:46 PM
is it a bad idea to install boost in a dropbox?
 
@MooingDuck lol
 
@MooingDuck depends :p
I have 23GB of (free) dropbox space, so why not :p
 
@melak47 too late :P
 
@melak47 I have like 3GB, I should be OK
 
5:49 PM
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Q: There is an if-else, is there a Neither Nor statement?

H4cKL0rDIs there a neither, nor syntax? I have found it by reading your post and it's if(!){ //do code }. http://bcsy.hostzi.com

lol
 
oh gawd.
 
@MooingDuck I don't know how much I have, what is the default?
 
@FredOverflow I think 2GB is default
 
wow
 
5:50 PM
I sat down one day with a VM and referred myself over and over again, changing the VM's MAC address each time. free 16 GB! :p
 
worth it, IMHO
 
@Collin Yes, I'm using a pointer to the struct. But forward declaring it would mean I would have to include the .h in my class .h. I want the class .h to be free of any other header files because if I want another class just to be aware of that class, I don't want the extra headers that come with it. Any other solutions?
@FredOverflow I have checked and no macros are being used twice.
 
Xeo
@melak47 I was thinking of doing that once, but... :effort:
 
@Tuntuni You should look up what a forward declaration is:
In computer programming, a forward declaration is a declaration of an identifier (denoting an entity such as a type, a variable, or a function) for which the programmer has not yet given a complete definition. It is required for a compiler to know the type (size) of an identifier, but not a particular value it holds (in case of variables). void printThisInteger(int); In C/C++, the line above represents forward declaration of a function and is the function's prototype. After processing this declaration, the compiler would allow the programmer to refer to the entity printThisInteger in th...
 
Xeo
5:51 PM
@Tuntuni A forward declaration is just struct some_type;
 
@Xeo took me about 30 minutes, and that was before they made it 500MB per referral instead of 250MB
 
@xeo @Collin Ah sorry! I didn't see the 'struct' there.
 
They're a good thing to have in your toolbox
 
Xeo
Btw @Tuntuni, I recommend reading The Rules linked to the right, they also contain useful tips for the chat.
For example how to refer to a specific message
 
@Xeo Okay, I took a quick look 10 mins ago. Will read it fully this time.
 
5:59 PM
all the VS 2012 versions I could possibly ever need...
 

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