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3:00 PM
@kfmfe04 Not sashimi, cooked. Yeah, what I was suggesting would be to take the sashimi from the sushi, although it would be much cheaper with the non-sashimi sushi often found in grocery stores.
 
actually Japanese are really good as grilling fish, too - for steamed fish, Chinese is better
their grilled eel (unagi kabayaki) is also really good with rice
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pizza is long and meaty. Sushi is soft in the center with raw flesh. Draw your own conclusions.
 
Japanese grilled eel
 
Now I'm getting hungry.
 
Eel pizza would be pretty tasty. Must remember this.
 
3:02 PM
according to the Steve Jobs bio, grilled eel was one of the few non-vegetarian foods that he would eat
 
And it's only ten in the morning.
 
@kfmfe04 What people think, doesn't qualify as a definition. Sushi is a category. nigiri and sashimi is types of sushi.
 
@kfmfe04 Apparently Eels aren't cute enough to qualify for PETA protection.
 
@Xaade Sashimi is not a type of sushi. Without rice, not sushi.
 
3:04 PM
PETA (Protecting Every Tolerable Animal only)
 
@kfmfe04 not keen on eel, from what i have experienced of it
 
PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals)
 
I love the story about when people first discovered the giant tortoise. Try as hard as they could, they just couldn't get a live one back to England, because they kept giving into the temptation of each such a tasty creature
 
@Potatoswatter Actually, whether it's a language evolution, intervention by the West, or whatnot. I've heard Easterners refer to Sashimi as Sushi. So, IMO, Sushi has become a broad category.
 
3:09 PM
Prepare Eels, Throw Anally
 
@TonyTheLion Oh what the fuck.
 
@Xaade Sashimi or anything else + (sushi) rice = sushi.
 
indeed, wtf
 
But you will never order sushi and not get the sushi rice with it.
 
@TonyTheLion great publicity act
 
3:11 PM
@Potatoswatter for most people, Japanese food that is not noodles or soup is Sushi
 
hahaha
funny but prolly true
 
@TonyTheLion What's wtf about it?
 
@TonyTheLion Doesn't surprise me. The media industry has shown time and time again that it is willing to violate the interests of consumers to protect its profits to the point where they lose profits and devour themselves. So it goes.... that they are willing to violate freedom as well.
 
huh, I just noticed that when I have a new tweet, the pinned tab pulses every so faintly. It's hard to notice though, any ideas how to make it more obvious?
 
@Xaade hope SOPA/PIPA dies a horrible death
 
3:15 PM
@kfmfe04 I suppose you feel the same about whatever they will call the next one?
And the one after that.
 
yup
 
Thing is, I agree that piracy is a problem. But SOPA and PIPA are the wrong way to fix that problem.
 
Well, the internet will eventually be more heavily policed, at which point more people will use encrypted proxies and such.
 
Cue encryption ban.
 
IPv6 will really pin people down
 
3:18 PM
We're witnessing the slow-motion first phase of an arms race that will probably outlive us.
 
Because you wouldn't use encryption if you had nothing to hide, RIGHT?
 
@EtiennedeMartel hmm, a problem, sure, but I'm not really convinced of the magnitude of the problem. There's so much misinformation so many made-up numbers being tossed around
 
@CatPlusPlus that is the gov't's argument - very scary
 
@CatPlusPlus Cue some new technology to circumvent that ban, repeat
 
@kfmfe04 Didn't you remember when Democrats tried to kill radio by encouraging fcc to spawn net neutrality. On it's cover was ensuring that internet providers couldn't limit access to sites, but in the background was a war between two economic models. Limiting access to sites by creating different "channels" you subscribe to, and limiting access by providing different content sites.
 
3:19 PM
@thecoshman What technology? You can't workaround against outlawing of encryption.
 
@CatPlusPlus steganography can hide encryption.
 
Included blindly in the bill was a measure to ensure equal representation by providers.
 
@Xaade the congress is in the pockets of big-business: it's really screwed up
 
In other words, every radio station would have to present all "opinions" on a topic. Which would kill talk radio.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't know, but I am sure some one would work out a way around it, or we would just encrypt any way
 
3:20 PM
Anyway, if the technology didn't exist, it would be invented. Bits are free (or really cheap, anyway) and people are clever.
 
@thecoshman That's not circumvention.
 
@kfmfe04 how so? First, it'll tell you which ISP subscription certain requests came from, but you can tell that with IPv4 as well. Second, there's nothing to stop you from NAT'ing ipv6 if you want to. It just won't be necessary
 
That's just violation.
 
and knowing that someone behind my connection downloaded a pirated movie isn't sufficient. Someone else could have connected to my wireless router
 
If anything, IPv6 will solve problems of DNS bans.
Because vhosts will no longer be necessary.
And therefore, we'll be able to get around via raw IPs.
Doesn't make the law any less stupid.
 
3:22 PM
Indeed, doesn't IPv6 make it easier to interface a virtual or aliased network with the outside world?
 
@jalf - there will always be technological work-arounds: I have nothing against IPv6 per se - it's what Big Brother does with it that will be annoying
 
@jalf ISP would probably try to charge you an exuberant amount for each IPv6 address you wanted, even if they where sharing the same slow connection
 
@kfmfe04 but my point is that I don't see what big brother can do with IPv6 that couldn't also be done with IPv4
 
@kfmfe04 Congress doesn't like hearing what it doesn't like. They've steadily tried to create ways to prohibit free speech without looking like that's what they're doing (rather, they paint it as promoting free speech).
 
You can get /64 block for nothing.
 
3:22 PM
SOPA is going to be used to silence opinions.
 
@thecoshman I doubt it. If so, you're getting seriously screwed over by your ISP
 
That's 2^64 addresses just for you.
 
@Xaade agreed
 
Hell, I already have one /64 block.
 
Right now, it claims to be used to silence copywrite violation.
 
3:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus but you still need an ISP to get them connected
 
also, even if they did, that wouldn't change my argument, because then it'd be just like it is with ipv4
 
But any tool used to silence must be oblivious to what it's silencing.
 
@thecoshman you can get a /64 block from your ISP
 
Surely they're gonna come up with a new version of SOPA some day, just under a different name
 
it is basically the standard unit they hand out
 
3:23 PM
ipv4 vs ipv6 tracking will just be a matter of convenience
 
or it's gonna be voted into law behind the scences
 
any ISP which tries to give you less is screwing you over, and won't last long
 
@jalf huh... might look into getting some, just because :P
 
that'd be creating artificial scarcity. And hey, then some other ISP will go "hey, we won't do that, switch to us"
and then people will switch to them
@thecoshman well, it depends on your ISP supporting IPv6 at all, of course
which, at the moment, bascially none of them do
 
what if the gov't one day traces EVERY PENNY that you make and spend - that might NOT be so good...
 
3:24 PM
@TonyTheLion And throw some "WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" in the mix.
 
Well… the internet is ultimately governed by whoever controls the means of transmission… as the sun sets on the American empire and the communications companies are international anyway, we'll see who really gets their rules enforced.
 
All you need to do is create a reverse proxy. A communication that is the same and looks like it's coming from a difference source, rather than a communication that comes from a difference source and looks the same.
 
@kfmfe04 they do already, it's called the Taxman!
 
@Potatoswatter Pirate radio still lives.
 
Well, I only care about maintaining status quo for the next 60 years or so. After that I'll be dead and they can do whatever they want.
 
3:25 PM
Pirate radio was a form of reverse proxy.
 
@kfmfe04 That's how it's supposed to be in most Western countries.
The opposite is called "tax evasion".
 
@TonyTheLion - the taxman is not effective for cash transactions (until one day, every transaction is tracked)
 
They already are.
 
in many countries, cash transactions are not tracked (because they are not trackable)
hence, some people pay zero tax
 
hmm, apparently my ISP (UPC) have ip6 hardware, just are not yet publicly using it
 
3:26 PM
Credit/debit cards are completely tracked.
 
taxes also change over time and are totally subject to interpretation (unfortunately)
 
Bank transfers can be tracked.
 
one day, when cash is gone, every transaction will be tracked
 
@kfmfe04 All they have to do is find out how much you pulled from an account and tax you for it.
 
Cash can be marked, too.
 
3:27 PM
So essentially, tax withdrawals.
 
Anyway, you have to work without any records for untrackable cash.
 
@CatPlusPlus - but it's too much of a hassle on a system-wide-basis
 
@kfmfe04 well, if they want, they can find out about all your finances...
 
@kfmfe04 Then, if you want to be untracked, you'll exchange goods. Which means society falls back into a haggle market.
 
@TonyTheLion Not the money he hides under his couch!
 
3:28 PM
when I walk out the door, in the morning, outside in the market, none of those cash transactions are taxed, I guarantee you
 
That one's eaten by inflation.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It merely takes police raid to find it. :P
 
@TonyTheLion But there's an electrified fence around it!
 
Dunno about anywhere else, but everything has VAT attached to it over here.
 
I wonder when money will be considered a technological disadvantage because of over taxation..... oh.... it is already??? Man....
 
3:29 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes RFID in the banknotes, they can still find it from outside.
 
@CatPlusPlus Pretty much everything in here.
 
in many retail stores, cash transactions are also not taxed - the government here has had to come up with all sorts of contortions to get people to pay taxes
 
@CatPlusPlus where you?
 
@Potatoswatter But there's a... what they call those things that serve to isolate from that.
 
Banknotes have unique numbers, allows them to track the notes, if necessary
 
3:30 PM
I think it's like that in all of EU, at least.
 
@kfmfe04 what country is that?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Radio jammer? Faraday cage? Fine, but anyone dumb enough to hide it in a mattress probably does not have such knowledge.
 
Taiwan
 
oh, I heard Taiwan is a cool place
 
@Potatoswatter Now, that's just stereotyping!
 
3:31 PM
the government makes stores issue special receipts that can be used as a lottery (so that consumers will demand to get a receipt)
 
@CatPlusPlus oh well, except for items that have no VAT of course
 
@kfmfe04 Taxation is just indirect and brings expenses to light. A smart government would secretly own banks and take money out of the economy off the top, and print money causing inflation and paying against the money they printed.
Oh, they do that already too?
Man.... they're just double dipping.
 
@thecoshman I don't think I've seen an item without VAT. But then again, I don't really pay attention.
 
@Xaade - agreed - inflation is the ultimate tax against the poor
the money printing press is a fiasco
 
Some Chinese in Italy were robbed and murdered because they had too much cash on hand, because they were evading taxes. So there were sympathy marches that the police should protect such shopkeepers. Only in Italy :vP
 
@CatPlusPlus in UK childrens clothes are vat exempt. as are some basic items, such as bread
 
@thecoshman really?
I didn't know that
 
Nope, we have VAT for that here.
 
here too
 
There are different categories of VAT, though.
 
3:33 PM
this policy applies here: VAT ALL THE THINGS
 
23%, 5% and some other one.
 
are there VATs on services?
 
@TonyTheLion yeah. Jaffa cakes went to some effort to prove they where indeed cakes and not biscuits so they are on different vat rate
 
@kfmfe04 Everything.
 
damn
 
3:34 PM
We have 23%, 13%, and 6%.
 
so where you two from? @Cat and @Tony
 
@thecoshman Wow! Epic! I love Jaffa cakes!!
 
Yeah, services too.
 
@thecoshman I'm from a shitty country called Belgium
 
@TonyTheLion they even made a full sized Jaffa :D
 
3:34 PM
but I've lived in the UK for a while too. (Where I learned English)
 
It would be pretty awesome if they put VAT on garbage collection service.
 
@TonyTheLion Never heard of it :P
 
Because, you know, that adds value.
 
Other name for it is even "Product and Service Tax".
 
3:35 PM
@Potatoswatter well, you have to pay council tax... so I guess you kind of do
 
@thecoshman Poland.
 
I wouldn't mind VATs and taxes, in general, if governments were more efficient - so much waste...
 
though in Ireland, we have to pay for bins to be collected
 
@thecoshman No, that's not a VAT at all.
 
@CatPlusPlus Same 'hilarious' joke that I said to Tony
 
3:36 PM
lol
 
Of course you have to pay something to someone, it doesn't just take itself out after all.
 
We should produce technologically advanced garbage that takes itself out.
And fires itself to the moon or something.
 
You can always burn it, but that has externalities.
 
haha that would be fun
 
I second that motion.
 
3:37 PM
Not that they notice that in a certain place I happen to be living now…
 
oh that reminds me, I saw a documentary the other day, where they showed, in some university, that they can make Diesel out of Yeast!
 
We could have garbage marches.
 
like the stuff which drives your car
 
@RMartinhoFernandes surely you should just aim it at the sun
 
Where they would march to the landfill from all over the city.
 
3:38 PM
@thecoshman Too far away. Lots expensive.
 
@TonyTheLion GM yeast FTW
 
@TonyTheLion Food for fuel.
 
there's actually a place where they use plasma to BURN ALL THE WASTE
 
@TonyTheLion Um, isn't yeast many thousands of times as expensive?
 
it's pretty aweseome
 
3:38 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes erm... you just need to get it moving towards the sun. it would take no more energy to launch it
 
@Potatoswatter donno, they didn't say much about that, just showed that it can be done, and production plants are being created all over the world to do this
 
We just have to form a big ball of garbage and launch it into space.
 
Xeo
Mm... std::move returns an xvalue, right?
 
this plasma can even vaporize concrete and stuff... there's almost nothing that it can't handle
 
3:39 PM
@CatPlusPlus giant convey belt into space
 
Sucks to be people 100 years from now.
But hey.
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah, because it's more "environmentally friendly".
 
@Xeo A call to std::move is an xvalue, most of the time.
 
Then they go and chop down trees to make yeast fields.
 
I love how people get excited over energy technologies despite never having heard mention of the economic factors involved.
 
3:40 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes diesel is diesel, it still not good for the environment.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, we live in a good time. advanced enough to have fun, but have not yet completely fucked over the planet
 
@TonyTheLion But no one eats oil.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton "most of the time"? Now it gets complicated.. I really should read that FAQ again
 
"Ooh, energy comes out somehow after some unknown process! I must invest money!"
 
@Potatoswatter have to excited about something... C++ is getting too old to get excited about
 
3:41 PM
That was Futurama reference. You get 0 points.
 
Hi guys
 
@TonyTheLion Diesel without sulfur would be quite clean… nothing wrong with that.
 
@CatPlusPlus never watched Futurama
@Potatoswatter right
 
@TonyTheLion GTFO
 
3:41 PM
@TonyTheLion Not reading the materials before exam is no excuse for failing said exam. 0 points!
 
@Xeo I just checked to be sure: it's an xvalue all the time. I was thinking of something else that happens later, at overload resolution time.
 
@CatPlusPlus oh what???
 
Xeo
k
 
@TonyTheLion he's got you there. Ignorance is not an excuse
 
3:42 PM
λ!
 
¬_¬
 
@thecoshman fuck that, I can't know everything
 
Combo breaker.
@TonyTheLion But you can fake it. That's what wikipedia is for.
 
3:44 PM
To add null terminator explicitly, is it safe to say - buf[len-1] = 0; or should I definitely say '\0'. Isn't \ just used as an escaping sequence character ?
 
@TonyTheLion (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
'\0' == 0.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes how was I supposed to know that was a reference to anything, until @CatPlusPlus said it?
 
EXAM SESSION.
Okay, that joke ran dry.
Let's move on.
 
turnips
 
Xeo
3:45 PM
I think we need to calm down the cat
 
@Mahesh better style to use the backslash. Otherwise you have an implicit narrowing cast. (Well, not really narrowing by the strict rules introduced in C++11, but it kinda looks like a narrowing cast.)
 
ok, I"m watching episode 1 of Futurama
damn you all!
 
what the hell is the point in turnips?
 
See you next month.
 
@thecoshman The end that doesn't have any leaf?
 
3:46 PM
didn't @DeadMG once just spend an entire week watching all Futurama episodes?
 
@TonyTheLion one does not watch just one episode of Futurama
 
@thecoshman Which point?
Turnips have infinite number of points!
 
@thecoshman is it worse then TVtropes.org?
 
@TonyTheLion Futurama ends.
 
@CatPlusPlus @Potatoswatter If both are equivalent, how is compiler figuring out that - const char *ptr = "000000000"; the very first character isn't a null termination character ?
 
3:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus but what is the point in them
 
'0' != '\0'.
@thecoshman Most of them are in.
 
@Mahesh Only up to three numerals may be escaped by a backslash.
 
@Mahesh In ASCII, '0' is 48, while '\0' is 0.
 
@CatPlusPlus (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
"\000\0\00" produces four null characters, for example.
 
3:48 PM
I disapprove of turnips
 
Cabbage.
Murderous cabbage.
 
… and '*' is 42, if you're really looking for the ultimate answer.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not as bad as killer tomatoes.
 
Thanks guys. Understood
 
I remember that film. Barely.
I watched it long time ago.
 
3:50 PM
so, why are there turnips? who said they could exist?
 
Goddess of turnips.
 
There was also this horrible game.
 
Oh, hey, I remember that too.
 
3:52 PM
More than the film, actually.
Though I've only ever seen the trailer.
@RMartinhoFernandes Tomato.
 
There are killer carrots as well.
 
That's why I prefer meat.
 
Pickles from hell.
 
Yeah, at least a steak is unlikely to achieve sentience and try to murder you in your sleep with pitchforks.
 
Well, it wouldn't be a steak if it was still alive, now would it.
Though zombies.
 
3:54 PM
With the stuff they put in the meat, I'm not really sure.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You die in your sleep from heart attack, after too many steaks…
 
@CatPlusPlus sure it would, just one fucking huge steak!
 
@Potatoswatter That's only if you're not a real man.
 
@thecoshman The technical term is meatbag.
Meatbag.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Suit yourself, more women for sissies like me.
 
3:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus I thought that's what the robot called us humans.
 
@CatPlusPlus The technical term is dinner waiting to be cut up
 
I'm not a robot!
I don't know what you're talking about!
You're crazy!
 
so who else is at work, working 'hard'
 
I'm at home trying to get myself to learn logic and probability crap.
 
working very hard
 
3:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus logic is easy, probability is almost as easy
 
I think I like webdev more than uni.
@thecoshman No, it's not.
 
@CatPlusPlus webdev is for babies who got confused by real work
 
Python mainly right?
 
@CatPlusPlus what you stuck on then?
 
Hieroglyphs.
 
3:58 PM
@thecoshman Logic and probability are easy until you try to model a real problem and end up with literally billions of variables.
 
seems logical.
 
@CatPlusPlus ... that's probably why your finding logic and probability so hard
 
Anyway, formal logic sucks.
 
… At least, so it was in digital microelectronics. I suppose there are other applications.
 
And the probability course is combined with statistics, which makes an enormous amount of material to learn.
All theory and crap.
 

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