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user562566
10:00 PM
@DeadMG rofl well then there goes the foundation of all modern physics then. You're taking a plain emberassing position now just to disagree with me. Go learn some things. Kalam Cosmological Argument presented by Bill Craig go watch theres hundreds of videos and even debates by the worlds leading atheists about it but you know better than everyone so who needs to learn right?>
 
@AscensionSystems QM is the foundation of all modern physics.
oh, it's the First Cause argument
meh
 
Can we move offensive chat to new room? I am afraid that this is too much for Fernandes.
 
heheheh
 
QM includes many scenarios where things can happen without cause
 
he's a bot, he can handle it
he just needs a few more logic gates, and he's over it :P
 
10:01 PM
"The Kalām cosmological argument:[10]
Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence;
The universe has a beginning of its existence;
Therefore:
The universe has a cause of its existence.
Since no scientific explanation (in terms of physical laws) can provide a causal account of the origin of the universe, the cause must be personal (explanation is given in terms of a personal agent)"
 
user562566
@DeadMG Ok.... I have nothing further to say otherwise I'm going to be repeating myself and it's ridiculous. I've heard your argument. Einstein and Hubble were wrong, history is all fake don't believe it, and somehow quantum mechanics has something to do with the universe being finite and having a finite number of past events verified already through empirical evidence which makes the universe somehow both simultaneously infinite and finite. Nice argument.
 
So in the end, believe what you want to believe
There's no proof it happened one way or the other
 
@AscensionSystems You've never demonstrated any evidence that Einstein was correct.
 
meanwhile in the C++ room
 
In fact, as far as I know, he was incorrect on many counts with regards to QM.
 
10:03 PM
 
Xeo
room topic changed to Lounge<boost::any>: Placement new is usually misplaced and should be replaced. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
@Pubby Well, it happens that I'm used to having enjoyable discussions about religion with my friends (both believers and atheists), without anyone calling something they disagree with "offensive".
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion See new room name. :)
 
@IDWMaster That's the issue with society. Instead of suspending judgement, people believe whatever they think it is good to believe in.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Placement new is usually misplaced and should be replaced. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
Xeo
10:03 PM
:(
 
hey, come on
there's a big difference between changing the room topic and the room name
 
user562566
@DeadMG LOL okay dude cool. Answer me this. What is infinity minus 3? Infinity. That's a logically incoherent statement isn't it? This is the same logic which has lead modern theoretical physicists to believe einsten is fundamentally wrong because of how special relativity describes singularities. But no you're right, everyone is wrong and you are right, history is all fake etc etc.
 
On the Internet, "offensive" and "personal attacks" (either real or imagined) seem to be the way to go.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes in PHP too
 
@AscensionSystems I find no reason to believe that it is logically incoherent.
 
10:04 PM
 
user562566
@DeadMG Okay I'll stop arguing with you now since I know your position. I can sum it up "anything that potentially disagrees with me is false."
 
@Mysticial No no, it's alright. I didn't realise that the post you posted was on meta. I can't tell meta and non-meta apart in those cited posts...
 
@Xeo PHP room is even worse when it comes to this shit, I mean, I read some transcript, crickey
 
@AscensionSystems You've made absolutely no logical counter-arguments.
all you've said is OMG EINSTEIN!
 
10:05 PM
This room always has very interesting debates.
 
Xeo
Okay, who's going on a flagging rampage here?
 
I'm going to guess AscensionSystems
 
user562566
@DeadMG I did, you just argue that absolutely everything is false but what you say.
 
STOP FLAGGING! IT's pointless
 
history and physics are two different things
 
Xeo
10:06 PM
@TonyTheLion I was actually referring to the comment @Mysticial quoted.
 
WHAT'S WITH THE FLAGGING?
 
No hard feelings, but does Ascension need a time out?
 
AND THE SHOUTING? :)
 
Xeo
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Public service announcement: We don't like flags. Thank you. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
10:07 PM
@sehe Robots don't shout. Robots simply state things in their all caps voice.
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's really a matter of the culture that surrounds these languages. Many people use PHP to quicky churn out a website, often by using some readily available framework, and expecting everything to be easy, which can lead to frustration when something doesn't work, and which also promotes lots of "simple" questions.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes And robots don't nap, they nop.
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@RMartinhoFernandes you mean...
 
Then what's with the all caps voice...
 
I AM A ROBOT. THIS IS MY ALL CAPS VOICE
 
10:07 PM
While many people also come to SO with rather trivial requests about C++, I'd say that by and large they know that they're in for a long process of learning.
 
Everyone sees things the way they like.
Can we call this a night?
I'm flagging any new messages on this thing.
 

C++ language

A room strictly for discussion regarding the C++ language, bes...
Flag all you want here. I created a room strictly for discussion on C++ topics
 
Good luck with that.
 
we already did that once
not again
 
@IDWMaster that's gonna get deleted, been done before. This is the ONLY C++ room
 
10:13 PM
personally I'd be fine with continuing but not gonna piss off the other users, so I'm gonna go play Terrarria or something
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Did we achieve singularity now? Have the robots taken over the world (room)?
 
Why; this is the C++ lounge, my room is in regards to the C++ language?
 
Btw, I need one upvote to hit the repcap.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes I need 10. Deal?
 
@IDWMaster dude, same thing
 
10:14 PM
Woah, that's a lot.
 
Xeo
No activity today thanks to me babysitting my brother
 
@Xeo I was asleep all day! :P
 
!ragequit
 
But this baby here kept rolling the boats into the harbor.
 
@DeadMG Not quite. Contemporary foundational physics hinges on both general relativity and quantum field theory. Between the two they cover a very large part of what we observe. (Unfortunately they don't really play well together.)
 
10:16 PM
yeah, I know that relativity plays a strong part
but QM is a fundamental cornerstone
I never meant to imply that there aren't other fundamental blocks
but more that QM is rather unassailable as it stands
 
@DeadMG I'd say QFT more than QM, though QM is like a zero-dimensional QFT, so yeah, that's OK.
@RMartinhoFernandes Did you draw those sketches?
 
well, it was my understanding that QFT is a part of QM
 
Xeo
@KerrekSB Yes
With feedback from here
 
@KerrekSB Yes. I do that often.
 
but either is good for me, I'm not a theoretical physicist so
 
10:18 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes heh I just repcapped for the first time in a month. And it happened mostly by accident. Not very exciting answers and a few boats from 'old' answers.
 
@Xeo Hmm...
 
I think this was the first time I provided drawings with freehand sound.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes +1 in any event
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes And stars!
Don't forget the stars!
 
I think @jalf is still arguing on meta, poor sod :(
 
10:20 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes To be honest, I find the sketches a bit confusing...
 
he hasn't understood yet that, arguing on meta, is entirely pointless.
although I just left a comment myself :(
 
I.e. I had to go look up the source to understand what was going on
 
@KerrekSB Ah, so you didn't read the question!
I shall quote the relevant parts.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, I first wanted to give the sketch a fair try. Then I went to the OP to see what was being allocated.
Somehow the "end of scope" should be more visceral, I thought
And I couldn't figure out what the horizontal rule was a metaphor for.
 
lol
@KerrekSB It's not. It's just the simplest way to not cramp things.
 
10:22 PM
Because "automatic" and "dynamic" aren't really like two sides of a mirror. They're more like... I don't know, a coffee shop and a swimming pool, or whatever
 
@KerrekSB It took me a while too. However, given the question the answer was welldone.
Yeah, that would do nicely on an info-graphic.
Not :)
 
You can keep dumping your kids in the pool, but your table in the coffee shop gets cleaned up when you leave.
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@KerrekSB Well, if you have any ideas on how I could make it better, I still have paint open. Keep in mind that I'm not an artist.
 
@sehe Ooh, like one of those Onion infographics!
@RMartinhoFernandes IANAA? YANAA!
 
Morning.
 
10:25 PM
Evening.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes if you're open to changes, the second image is the only one that doesn't show the pointer going out of scope. THat always bothered me, but I didn't want to ask you to do it yet again.
 
@TonyTheLion nah, I'm washing up. :)
 
Nice, most of today's rep sponsored by a one-liner.
 
which is nearly as thankless
 
@sbi went and yawned in the "new C++ room"
lol
 
10:26 PM
By the way, I'ma repent to English. No more C++. At least In English,
- I also ask questions
- My first question [got a Popular Question (1kViews) badge](Onion infographics) :)
 
@jalf oh good
 
In all honesty, that was a meh question in my opinion. The only mildly intriguing bit was that the answer was kind of hard to google.
 
@jalf at least you have clean dishes now, in meta, you'd have a nothing
 
What new room? What did I miss?
 
Nothing interesting.
 
10:27 PM
@CatPlusPlus link?
 
14 mins ago, by IDWMaster

C++ language

A room strictly for discussion regarding the C++ language, bes...
 
And the point of that is what?
 
pfff, someone whom thought they could discuss C++ only
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Why don't you read the transcript of the last hour, rather than having us repeat it to you?
 
@sbi I'm lazy.
 
sbi
10:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus So am I.
At least, however, I am not a lazy @cat!
 
@sbi yea, but you go and yawn in another room
 
I'm sure there's someone who likes repeating things. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus robot does
 
OMG the latest Bones episode was so retarded, did anyone watch it? A computer hacker took down a system with malware written on a bone or something, completely stupid.
 
he specializes in it
@FredOverflow oh Hollywood Hackers.
 
10:29 PM
@FredOverflow Wow. That totally makes me want to watch that show. Not.
 
boring.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm still irked that vector.assign isn't mentioned in the top three answers
 
Isn't that a procedural?
Like, CSI: Skeletons?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I clicked on the link. And then I was in that room. And then I looked around. And then I had to yawn. How does yawning contradict being lazy?
 
anyone wanna play beer pong?
 
10:30 PM
The bone malware was also "of fractal nature", whatever that is supposed to mean.
 
@FredOverflow Any computer-related episode in any show is bound to be retarded.
 
> The fans are supposed to turn on when the CPU reaches 75 degrees, but the malware added a zero to make it 750 degrees.
 
@sbi it doesn't contradict being lazy, I just thought it was funny
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion So why didn't you star it? Wouldn't a hearty yawn be a nice first starred message in a new room?
 
@FredOverflow oh jeez... I thought 75 was perfectly fine temp for a CPU to run at.
 
10:31 PM
Fringe had a program that someone remotely uploaded into people computers so it melted their brains.
@TonyTheLion 75 is a bit high for a CPU.
GPUs tend to run around that.
 
@CatPlusPlus maybe I looked wrong
@sbi Done!
 
My old GeForce with passive cooling was 80 in idle.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Don't believe what @jalf says, though, he isn't cleaning dishes, he's doing his dirty laundry over at meta.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't need program for that, just a Discrete Cosine Transform
 
I'm sorry, but what malware would add a zero to a cooling system instead of simply disabling it? :)
 
10:32 PM
@FredOverflow Don't think about it too much.
 
@FredOverflow The kind of malware that is powered by narrativium.
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sbi
@TonyTheLion Too late, @Pubby's "ok" was already starred.
 
Been looking forward to this episodes for weeks, and it turned out to be a load of horse crap.
 
@TonyTheLion Depends on which CPU. Anything prior to Core i7 should not get anywhere near that. Though 75C is still a bit high even for i7.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Erm, isn't that about TV? Of course, it's horse crap. That's what TV is all about!
 
10:34 PM
Maybe it was 75ºF?
 
Hey, there's loads of good TV.
 
@CatPlusPlus What are people computers?
 
@FredOverflow I am!
 
I just woke up, my English is still booting up.
 
@CatPlusPlus not fully loaded into ram yet, missing some bits eh
@Mysticial oh right, you guys are more nerdy then me :P
 
10:36 PM
But really, if you're ever going to watch Fringe, just skip 01x12.
 
oh shit, got hickups
 
It doesn't advance the main plot in any significant way anyway, and you'll just cringe at this.
 
ok noted
 
@CatPlusPlus 01x? Is that a mix of octal and hexadecimal?
 
I'll just go on read some TVTropes
 
10:37 PM
It's "season 1 episode 12".
 
@CatPlusPlus cringe at fringe, sounds nice
What's fringe about? Something supernatural?
 
Crazy pseudo-science.
 
It's fun.
 
The logo reminds me a bit of Lost.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think so: computerhope.com/issues/ch000687.htm
 
10:38 PM
@TonyTheLion NOOOO
 
For what it's worth, here's my take on the moderation matter.
 
@FredOverflow It's from people involved in Lost.
 
|company = |distributor = |creator = |executive_producer = |starring = |theme_music_composer = J. J. Abrams |composer = |country = United States |location = |language = English |network = Fox |first_aired = |last_aired = present |num_seasons = 4 |num_episodes = 72 |list_episodes = List of Fringe episodes |website = http://www.fox.com/fringe/ }} Fringe is an American science fiction television series created by J. J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci. The series follows a Federal Bureau of Investigation "Fringe Division" team based in Boston, Massachusetts unde...
 
But it's not a mess like Lost. They've learned.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, Jay Jay. Used to love him, but Lost Season 6 was just sooo stupid.
 
10:39 PM
@FredOverflow Don't remind me about it.
 
He looks like a rapper for kids or something :)
 
@KerrekSB You got -1ed already!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I got at least -2'ed
 
@CatPlusPlus Really? That sounds promising.
 
sbi
@KerrekSB I just upvoted your answer. It's now at +1.
 
10:40 PM
I think I just have a very poor record on meta :-)
@sbi :-)
 
@KerrekSB wha? Not enough rep to downvote? Oh well
 
"Alternative time line", "parallel universe"... I dunno, sounds stupid to me. But I guess I'll give it a try.
Is Fringe completed, or are there still Seasons to come?
Because I hate waiting year after year for a new Season.
 
@KerrekSB Now, whom in this room has what would be considered "a good record" on meta?
 
Still going.
@TonyTheLion I do!
 
we're meta-haters
 
10:42 PM
Oh, wait, I forgot about the betting thing.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes what?
 
sbi
Within 20mins I have spent all my comment flags for the day. Damn, and there's so many comments I'd like to upvote!
 
@TonyTheLion The first time I was ever downvoted on meta was on the betting thing.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion "who", but +1 anyway.
 
Anyone into "Prison Break"? Never watched it so far, but I have all the seasons on Original DVDs, they were dirt cheap.
 
10:43 PM
@TonyTheLion Interesting! We'd need to be able to access people's meta profiles...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes link?
 
@FredOverflow It's the kind of show that starts cool, but then never seems to end.
 
@sbi I never know which one to use... I thought "whom" was befitting in this case, but I could be wrong
 
WTF, Leonard Nimoy is in Fringe? :)
 
It was originally planned for 12 episodes, but then someone saw it making money and the needless stretching started.
 
10:44 PM
12 Episodes = Season 1?
 
@FredOverflow I liked what I saw, the first few seasons
 
@FredOverflow No, Season 1 is 20+ something.
 
they even made a Prison Break movie, no?
 
There's a clear ending point in the middle of season 1.
 
@FredOverflow I barely got through first season and didn't really like it. Stupid premise, I guess.
 
sbi
10:47 PM
@TonyTheLion I only judge from my German POV. Different than the English, German has managed to preserve a full-blown grammar. :)
 
I enjoyed the first couple of Seasons of Breaking Bad, but somehow I can't stand to watch that little kid making one stupid mistake after another anymore.
@CatPlusPlus Well, I can always sell the DVDs on eBay, I guess :)
 
@FredOverflow If he has DVDs, you mean.
 
this guy needs a try {} catch(...) {} else he'll stay unhandled forever :P
 
@TonyTheLion That surprises me, as German is one of the (minority of western) languages with explicite and everyday use of case inflection. The 'whom' case is an exception for the english language, but it is the bread-and-butter in German, as far as I can tell (I'm Dutch)
@TonyTheLion Hahaha. Now I see. You were responding to @sbi. I though @sbi was saying that. (please disregard my confusion)
 
10:49 PM
@TonyTheLion: Did you know about the meaning of votes on meta?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I was talking about me selling DVDs, not the cat.
 
On the "meta mod matter", I like the mod who said "The system says that important info shouldn't be buried in long comment discussions. I think deleting them without special treatment has value in that it discourages the behavior. It's like having a hard drive fail -- you're not going to go without a backup again." Very interesting stance
 
sbi
2 mins ago, by sbi
@TonyTheLion I only judge from my German POV. Different than the English, German has managed to preserve a full-blown grammar. :)
 
@sbi yea tell me about it, I tried to learn...
 
@KerrekSB I was guessing he did. I took his question to mean 'why the disagreement'
 
10:49 PM
@sehe Oh OK
 
@KerrekSB what do they mean?
 
We have cases, too. I can't say I like the idea.
 
@CatPlusPlus Do you break after each case?
 
@TonyTheLion They signal agreement or disagreement
 
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Q: what's a proper design pattern for this situation?

xcryptI'm trying to implement a class but I can't seem to find a proper design for it. What I have is this: [pseudocode] class Material { public: virtual void SetPerFrameInfo(void* pData)=0; //[...] } class SpecificMaterial : public Material { public: void SetPerFrameInfo(void* pData); //[...] } v...

 
sbi
10:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus How many do you have?
 
I'll delete my comment then to avoid comment spam
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yay, DP shopping.
 
Xeo
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A: How can I get my nested class inside a templated class to accept other versions of itself?

XeoThe fundamental idea of your assignment operator is flawed, as even with the addition of a typename, it's a non-deducible context. As such, the template parameter will never be deduced and the assignment operator will never work unless you explicitly specify a type like B.operator=<some_type&g...

Template wankery ♥
 
@KerrekSB I keep trying to upvote chat messages that are helpful to the conversation. Not worth starring though, because not helpful to anyone else.
 
@sbi 7.
 
10:50 PM
the only case I use is this one switch(myint) { case 1: ... } I rest my case
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I chuckled when I saw "design pattern".
 
@KerrekSB ohhh, I thought they were for repwhoring
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Ugh, that's a lot. I remember despairing over Russian's 6 cases...
 
@TonyTheLion I see, so you did misunderstand :-) You can delete the comment too then...
 
@sbi I hate cases. I work with translators. Actually, I just hate the Russian language. I had to redo all my code from scratch to handle Russian.
 
10:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I refrained the urge to post: "use a singleton".
What's a case?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Considering it's not even close to a solution in this case...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes good idea :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't read the question.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes A grammatical construct describing the situation of a noun or pronoun. (Like whether it's the subject or the object in a sentence.)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes He speaks, I talked to him, it's his house etc.
 
10:53 PM
Ah.
We have that too.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes lol
 
@MooingDuck I have that all the time
 
Compiling Qt is fuuuuun!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I linked to the wikipedia page above...
In grammar, the case of a noun or pronoun is an inflectional form that indicates its grammatical function in a phrase, clause, or sentence. For example, a pronoun may play the role of subject ("I kicked the ball"), of direct object ("John kicked me"), or of possessor ("It is my ball"). Languages such as Ancient Greek, Latin, and Sanskrit had ways of altering or inflecting nouns to mark roles which are not specially marked in English, such as the ablative case ("John kicked the ball away from the house") and the instrumental case ("John kicked the ball with his foot"). In Ancient Greek thos...
 
Us Germans have the cases Nominativ, Akkusativ, Dativ and Genetiv. Did I forget one?
 
10:54 PM
> This post has been locked while disputes about its content are being resolved. For more info visit meta.
ON META
 
@FredOverflow Vokativ?
 
hilarious
my question got locked
 
you have to visit META for info??? WTF
 
@sehe That's latin.
 
to prevent moderators from changing it
 
10:54 PM
@FredOverflow I don't think that's a good analogy for cases
 
@FredOverflow You got my background alright
 
@sehe latin lover? ;)
 
To be honest, the only reason I haven't deleted my account is because the rep is useful for impressing potential employers
 
@FredOverflow Quite. Must say the vocabulary is seeping away.
 
@jalf you mean on SO in general?
 
10:55 PM
@jalf you rolled back to revision 1? Bold move. This won't end well I think
 
@jalf You mean the posts! Not the rep!
 
@FredOverflow Does german know Ablativ?
 
@sehe Latin also has the "ablative", but I forgot what that was good for.
@sehe Nope, German only has the four cases I mentioned.
 
@jalf you make a good point though
 
Haha, the modding thread on meta got locked, and the note says, "for more information, visit meta".
 
10:57 PM
:)
 
sbi
@KerrekSB Yeah, I laughed about that one, too.
 
3 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
> This post has been locked while disputes about its content are being resolved. For more info visit meta.
 
let's all go back to IRC
 
@RMartinhoFernandes well yeah, I guess so
 
Xeo
10:59 PM
@TonyTheLion It's the "learn recursion course" all over again!
 
@TonyTheLion Now that we have tasted the sweet taste of editing and starring, we can never go back to IRC!
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@TonyTheLion yup. Honestly, my rep and my badges disgust me. All they mean is that I'm contributing to a site whose policies and directions I disagree with
 
sbi
@FredOverflow No, but you got the order wrong.
 
my posts, by themselves, mean that I have helped people
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Especially the taste of linking to other messages
 
10:59 PM
the rep, and the badges jsut mean that I've helped Jeff Atwood
 
@sbi The cases have an order? Why?
 
@MooingDuck well, revision 2 changed the title to be a completely different question
 
@jalf hmmm :(
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Nominativ, Genitiv, Dativ, Akkusativ.
 

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