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11:00 PM
@Xeo Why does the order matter?
 
So yeah, if I did it, I'd delete my account, and then just create a new one with zero rep
 
sbi
@FredOverflow How would I know? But they have.
 
Xeo
"Wer", "wessen", "was/wem", "was/wen" IIRC
 
@FredOverflow oh whatever, leave the taste behind and get your asses over to IRC
 
@Xeo That's reverse alphabetical order.
 
11:00 PM
@TonyTheLion Does IRC have avatars and little snowmen?
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes That's how I learned it in school. :P
 
sbi
@FredOverflow "2nd case" is a synonym for Genitive. If you scramble the order, you mess that up.
 
Xeo
 
@FredOverflow we don't need it, we just need a place to chat which isn't governed by silly policies that piss people off
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Only a true robot would note such an irrelevant detail.
 
Xeo
11:01 PM
@TonyTheLion This chat is governed?
 
@Xeo meta-police
 
@TonyTheLion This room is impervious to that.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Again, this very chat room here is governed?
 
@jalf yeah, I noted that and commented on the answers appropriately. Although please try to tone back the rants, many of your comments appear to be attacks on all moderators
 
and if you don't believe it, just look for the discussions we had on "Miss" (can't remember her first account name she had)
 
11:02 PM
@sbi It's an easy way to remember the order!
 
sbi
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Q: Is mentioning sex ok or is it not?

sbiAfter we had a discussion about sex on the Internet in Stack Overflow's C++ chat room yesterday, the room description was changed to something mentioning sex. Before you think you discovered something held back by me, I did this particular change, but it's by no means the first time sex was ...

 
and that
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion That was her first nick.
 
I got suspended once for something I said three months ago
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Me too, but thankfully I was afk at that time
 
sbi
11:04 PM
@TonyTheLion In all fairness, this was an automatism, though, triggered by a user gone over the top.
 
@sbi still... it caused quite a stir...
I don't just simply get suspended
 
sbi
@Xeo According to some meta mod, I was banned once, too, because I posted a pic of a dead kitten. Only I never noticed it. :-/
 
@sbi I don't believe it, you posted a pic of a dead kitten, and I missed it???
 
I was suspended once too. And I validated the flag on my own message for some reason. I can't remember what it was.
 
11:06 PM
@sbi Did the kitten die because sbi posted its picture? Strange time loops and paradoxes? Don't miss Stack Overflow - The Series on Fox!
 
Hmmm, strange loops.
 
@FredOverflow possibly, if your picture got posted by a grumpy ape, you don't know what might happen
 
sbi
@FredOverflow No, kittens died because @Alf kept doing something horribly. ISTR he challenged me on proving that kittens die, so I showed him. Then he got all offended and flagged it.
 
while(true) {} is also a loop
 
11:07 PM
@TonyTheLion Not terribly strange...
 
@TonyTheLion for(;;); is also a loop.
 
@FredOverflow That's exactly what I meant.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Never read it. Wortwhile?
 
@KerrekSB see what I did here: stackoverflow.com/a/8857441/85371: I improved my answer with information handed in the comment thread. Sadly, it is in , not so there is no c++-karma coming from that
 
11:08 PM
∞ is also a loop.
 
while (worth) keep_reading();
 
@FredOverflow I have it. Still must read though
 
@FredOverflow I never read that one, but Hofstadter mentions strange loops on GEB.
 
@sehe Self-editing is always the best, but it's just not always available.
 
@FredOverflow I'm more like if(looks_worth_it) while(not_over) keep_reading();
 
11:09 PM
 
Nobody mentioned the classic l:goto l;?
 
@sehe Also, some comments are very "tutorial" in nature: They want you to go deeper and deeper into alternatives and discussion. Sometimes a simple question just has a simple answer, and I don't want to dissert for three paragraphs why it's inelegant and how it could be improved.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes How about if (awsum_cover || awsum_content) std::for_each(pages.begin(), pages.end(), read_page);?
 
But the comments are still fine and useful.
 
@KerrekSB Selbstverständlich!
 
11:11 PM
@FredOverflow I've read really good books with crappy covers.
 
It's totally OK for someone else to explain the background. But if I don't feel that the question warrants a tutorial session, I also don't think I should edit it in... so... with the comments in place, we have a classic triple-win situation!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I never read GEB in English, that's still on my list.
 
it looks a bit tight.
Mmmm. wonders what an infograph of a busy loop would look like
 
@RMartinhoFernandes How about o as a loop?
 
Not special enough.
 
11:12 PM
@FredOverflow Mmm...eh. He's a good guy, I know... but the synopsis makes me feel guarded.
 
⧜ <- U+29DC INCOMPLETE INFINITY
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WTF?
 
There are always loads of clever sounding things you can say to impress...
@RMartinhoFernandes Really? Wow!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Maybe that's MAX_DOUBLE or something, the closest to infinity? ;)
 
@FredOverflow I got the book in Dutch as a gift, I think. But I never read that, I gave it away (as well as several copies later, because, it is just that good). I read the thing in English. But then again, I buy all my books off Amazon US.
 
"To infinity and... wait, not quite to infinity. I forgot to fill up."
 
11:14 PM
@KerrekSB Fill up what? The pencil?
 
Does incomplete infinity + incomplete infinity = infinity?
 
Last year I had to swallow a remark when my Mom gave me a book. She got me the the Dutch translation. Aw well, it was non-literary fiction anyways. I'll manage
 
@CatPlusPlus If incomplete means at least 50%, then yes.
 
Infinity doesn't overflow.
 
@FredOverflow I don't know.. whatever you need to fill up to go to infinity and beyond, I guess.
 
11:16 PM
@KerrekSB "Infinity is very boring, at least towards the latter parts" - Woddy Allen
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Infinity doesn't.
 
@CaptainGiraffe He's talking about 2001: Space Odissey (the movie), right?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I think so
 
@sehe Oh yeah? How about 1.0 / 0.0? ;)
 
@FredOverflow defined by the standard Fred =)
 
11:17 PM
@FredOverflow Infinity. ?
 
@sehe But the complete kind :-)
 
@sehe Oh wait, I thought you said "doesn't exist", but you only said "doesn't". Parsing error.
 
@FredOverflow So, has anyone read that book?
 
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Q: Nulls in every type and checked exceptions in Java?

oconnor0I know that null being added to every type in Java is a source of much frustration regarding the language's type system. At the same time I generally hear complaining about checked exceptions - that they clutter interfaces, encourage exception swallowing, etc. It seems to me like null inhabiting ...

I don't understand the question...
 
@sehe Bump I'm very surprised that no c++ karma can be derived from a vi tag!
 
sbi
11:19 PM
@Tony: The dead kitten was the message after this one. Apparently, it was James to whom I replied with that image. If you're an owner, you should be able to see it in the history. ICBWT.
 
@KerrekSB I would think at least the proofreaders have read the book.
@sbi I can see it. Poor kitten!
 
@FredOverflow Grrr!
 
@FredOverflow He's drawing connections from totally unrelated things.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I should have said karma, instead of c++ karma
 
sbi
11:21 PM
@FredOverflow You saw it back then. I don't know if @Tony was already around.
@RMartinhoFernandes OMG. Now you posted it again.
 
@FredOverflow In Java, the slogan is "California or null!"
 
@sbi well, I can confirm that it is indeed a dead kitten
 
sbi
Jan 28 '11 at 17:11, by sbi
Honestly, I'm not sure why you are so offended. (And I have buried a kitten weeping, mind you.) It's a dead animal. Whenever I am in a car on the road (rarely ever, I don't drive), I see lots of them near the road, and there's no flagging.
 
11:23 PM
 
@sbi Who you're gonna flag, anyway.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Were you even around back then?
 
@sbi valid point, I don't flag dead animals on the road... (but it might not be a bad idea)
 
@sbi lol @ road flagging
 
@sbi I always stop to flag at roadkill.
 
11:23 PM
@sbi what year was this?
 
@FredOverflow rad flogging
 
@KerrekSB Who you're gonna flag? Ghost busters!
@TonyTheLion January of 2011, apparently.
 
@FredOverflow You beat me to it =)
 
@FredOverflow WIN
 
11:24 PM
@FredOverflow Yes I was around, just not on the chat at that moment
been around since october 2010 apparently
 
@sbi I only quoted you!
 
@TonyTheLion You can remember exactly what you did one year ago? Wow.
@KerrekSB I don't get it.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I only quoted google images!
 
@sbi You should flag Google images!
 
@FredOverflow you can't really flag google images, or can you?
 
sbi
11:26 PM
@FredOverflow If he had already found the chat, but can't remember that incident, there's not much else to assume.
 
@sbi What about the effects of alcoholic beverages?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Those are encouraged
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes "17:11"!
 
so if you're called "Bob Null", means dereferencing you is UB?!
 
sbi
11:28 PM
@KerrekSB Since the flagging war resulting from this incident, I have been against flagging.
Jan 28 '11 at 17:12, by sbi
Can we now please stop the silly flagging wars? Are you aware that the whole of SO chat is seeing these silly flags and are urged to look at them?
 
@sbi Hey, good stuff for attention whores
 
sbi
@sehe ??
 
Dido has a very nice song on this theme.
 
About flags on SO chat?
 
heheh
 
we should make a song about SO... lulz
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe Dead kittens, Bob Null, or flag wars? You might want to refer to what you're replying to.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes lol
 
Also, I think I like the new C++ language room. It takes far less time to catch up with!
 
@sehe Traitor
 
11:30 PM
@FredOverflow Like in "California or bust", from the old days... before null. Anyway, never mind!
Bruce Schneier blogged about this article on a hacked GMail account. Good read. "Six years worth of life lost" - viva la cloud?
 
@KerrekSB "bust" means "titties", right?
 
@TonyTheLion Flatulist!
 
@FredOverflow Only in museums, IIRC
 
sbi
@sehe I have long since given up on trying to catch up with what happens here when I'm away. This room is way to busy for a sane person to follow it all.
 
11:31 PM
 
Hmm, my reputation page says that yesterday I hit the repcap with only 185 rep.
 
@sbi yea, I never read the transcript anymore, waste of time
 
@FredOverflow No, it usually refers to either a chisled effigy of a head, or the expiration of a myth...
 
@sbi Yeah, I found that out on a few occasions. I guess C++ Lounge is 'my' tropes, in a way
 
@KerrekSB Or boobs.
 
11:32 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes that implies that answers got unaccepted? or there was a reprecalc, and there were duplicates merged?
 
TCMalloc FTW! It nearly halves the time required to build my search tree. (8388ms vs 15262ms for a tree of depth 9 and width 6)
 
@sehe Yeah, an old answer got unaccepted.
 
I'm pretty sure the gold diggers of '49 couldn't have been persuaded to stay at home by the promise of pectoral pleasure.
 
@StackedCrooked Thats a big tree you have there Stacked.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Did you get the '-15' record line showing in the reputation tab? I remember seeing such a feature for a (very) short while. Wonder if it's still there/broken/gone
 
11:33 PM
@KerrekSB But they had reasons. They could get more boobage with the gold they would find.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes :)
 
@sehe Yes, it's there. It's really weird.
 
@StackedCrooked I'm curious what you do with the modest tree to spend 8 and 15 seconds with i?
 
@CaptainGiraffe 6 ^ 9 end nodes (and a whole slew of nodes between the root and the end nodes)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think anyone now would envy 1849 San Francisco boobage...
 
11:34 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Tetris :D
@CaptainGiraffe It's a Tetris AI
 
in C++ language, 1 min ago, by FredOverflow
Is this room for real? I don't see a single C++ code snippet!
 
@StackedCrooked neat!
 
@FredOverflow it's a joke that will soon die
 
@StackedCrooked i'd say preallocation (or custom allocator) woule be a lot faster even. Are you using threading while building the tree (gasp)?
 
cout<<std::endl;
 
11:35 PM
@StackedCrooked The hard part about a Tetris AI is making it stupid. It's no fun to play against a perfect player.
 
@FredOverflow have you played Bastet?
 
@CaptainGiraffe You saved C++ Lounge! Thank you!
 
@CaptainGiraffe Oh, Koenig lookup. Nice!
 
@sehe Yeah child nodes per branch are generated by a pool of worker thread.
 
@StackedCrooked I guess that's where the major gain lies. TCMalloc does threadlocal 'prefetching' so to say. Takes the synching out of allocations as long as the thread has enough 'free space' pre-reserved
 
11:37 PM
@sehe But you're right that memory pools would be even faster.
 
@KerrekSB yay, I got three lines on level 0
 
@TonyTheLion Hmm cookies. That gives me ideas.
 
I like tcmalloc for the low-hanging-fruit approach, myself. It's standard component of my makefile templates. LDFLAGS+=-ltcmalloc
 
What, wait - I also got 160 today, though I capped a long time ago!
Weird. It's like I lost 7 upvotes.
 
11:39 PM
Uhoh. it's a conspiracy against
 
@sehe Indubitably.
 
@sehe to teach us not to write all those comments all over the place
 
Maybe they're striking back against the placement new conspiracy!
 
@jalf never attribute to malice... etc. However, it was what I was alluding to, of course :) In good spirit, of course
 
@sehe You really like Spirit.
 
11:41 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I like vim and spirit questions, apparently. I think it's just the ones that everyone else skips :)
Spirit questions are horrible for rep farming, though. Nobody is around to appreciate them; no casual onlookers understand enough of it and instead of voting they 'shrug; move-along'. On the flip-side, to get a minimal working test case compiling you need a small mainframe and a lot of spare time :)
 
I know Java has all sorts of meta-magic. Can it grab a static variable by name?
 
@MooingDuck with reflection/introspection you mean?
 
@MooingDuck Members, yes. Locals, nope (if static locals, unless constants, even exist, don't remember)
 
@jalf reflection! That's the word I can't recall
 
11:45 PM
Foo.class.getDeclaredField("blah").get(null)
 
@MooingDuck Wrong? Introspection. Reflection is from .NET
 
@sehe it's basically the same thing though
 
@sehe pft, same concept. RTTI wasn't right
 
I think it might be more subtle anyways:
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Q: Java introspection and reflection

Ravi K ChowdaryCan any one explain the use of Java reflection and introspection? When we need to use both?

 
The heck? msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa989722(v=vs.80).aspx says "The name of the field. A abfe0115-00b8-44a6-b2f8-927aa2a8cbcc is thrown if there is no field with the given name."
 
11:47 PM
@sehe I stopped reading at "beans".
 
Returns "A 3d033269-e08f-4bd9-b84e-9d75a0cddd44 object representing the field of the given name."
 
@MooingDuck yeah, they use guids internally for references
 
@MooingDuck Why are you reading Java docs on MSDN?
 
and sometimes it messes up
 
Don't spill the beans
 
11:47 PM
so it's supposed to be a reference to some exception or other
 
@RMartinhoFernandes first google hit
 
@jalf Just click the link. It still works
 
It looks like MS retired that whole documentation section for VS90/VS100 though
 
@sehe seems like
 
11:51 PM
cya !
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I really wonder why some of you object to the existence of that other room. What's wrong with having a room to discuss the language and one to hang out and discuss anything else C++ programmers might be interested in? Isn't that just like SO and P.SE? I mean, there were times when we would stomp on any real C++ discussion that dared to rear its ugly head here. Anyway, either many will be there to discuss C++ solely, or it will wither and die.
(And, yes, I know, "anything else C++ programmers might be interested in" essentially boils down to boobs.)
 
I think that, more realistically, this room is flat out becoming full at peak times
 
Xeo
Hm. The boolean logical operators don't short-curcuit in TMP. :(
 
it's increasingly more common that I'm trying to talk and then by the time I've finished making a point, about five other people have already spoken
I think that having two rooms, or even more, is a fine solution
 
11:59 PM
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Q: my question keeps not meeting the site's quality standards

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