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user562566
Hey guys did you know that haxe is more portable than C++?
 
Xeo
Well, wtf is haxe?
 
user562566
 
user562566
It's a high level scripting language basically actionscript 3 (flash AVM2) extended. It has a custom compiler that outputs to flash bytecode, php C++ etc.
 
user562566
By the way I'm being totally sarcastic some guy is arguing with me right now that haxe is a more portable language than C++
 
Xeo
9:13 PM
Sounds like it's limited to the features that are shared / accessible in all targeted / supported languages.
 
user562566
Yeah that and I argued that any portability it might gain would basically be explicitly from C/C++ since most of the "platforms" it can target or languages it can output are VM's written in C++ anyway.
 
Xeo
@AscensionSystems Oh, good. I actually took you serious for a second there. Also, it may be more portable for all I care (C can be seen as more portable too, since it's way easier to implement a compiler for it).
 
user562566
haha yeah. The guy arguing with me I think is a flash developer anyway so I think it's just a case of getting caught giving missinformation and not wanting to fess up to it. It's too bad I see so many accepted answers on this site that have nfo which is patently false.
 
Xeo
@AscensionSystems "blatantly" is the word you were looking for I think
Oh, no, you weren't. I didn't know "patently" can also be used for that meaning
 
> Hell, we all know C++ devs are cranky bast..er, folks. Nothing like a good argument about L-values to distract you from tracing pointer arithmetic bugs
I disagree. We're not cranky?! Or are we?
 
Xeo
9:23 PM
@TonyTheLion That comment is so out-dated. I mean, who fucks around with pointer-arithmetic in C++ these days?
 
@Xeo yea I know
 
Xeo
Aside from the occasional hacks, of course.
 
@Xeo the comment was only made 22 mins ago
or when you're coding C
 
@TonyTheLion The commenter is outdated
 
Xeo
Okay, synonym for "to fuck around with sth."?
I don't want to anger the meta-police, but I can't seem to think of another description that just "fits" so perfectly
 
9:25 PM
@Xeo I do
 
@IDWMaster Then l2c++ :)
 
Xeo
@IDWMaster Weren't you coding in C or am I misremembering something?
 
unless you're implementing e.g. container components
but that's hardly general-case work
 
@DeadMG Container components was exactly what I was doing
 
I was wondering if the biblical wise men from the east were really that wise.
 
9:27 PM
@TonyTheLion Fuck meta
 
they probably weren't really that anything
including existent
 
If they were, wouldn't they have tried to learn at least a little bit about the land they were visiting?
 
By the way; what do you guys use for threading libraries (specifically thread pools)? Do you use the APIs for threading that come with the platform, and implement your own thread pools, or do you use existing thread pool APIs?
 
user562566
Off topic
 
@KerrekSB several translations don't translate them as "wise", since it's used as a title.
 
9:27 PM
As it stands, their blunder would be directly responsible for the massacre of dozens of babies.
@MooingDuck Hmm. "Baffoons from the East?"
 
What do you need help with? @IneedHelp
 
@KerrekSB frequently "kings", but I've seen other translations
 
Girls.
 
@KerrekSB Uh, "buffoons"?
 
Any token amount of research would have revealed that the country is ruled by a paranoid psychopath, and that it would be inadvisable to go around talking about his replacement.
@DeadMG Mistranslation :-)
 
user562566
9:28 PM
Yeah can we keep religion out of the C++ lounge please
 
@IneedHelp The C++ lounge is probably the wrong place for that.
 
@KerrekSB according to wikipedia, also translatable as "magi"
@AscensionSystems why?
 
@jalf oh man, nothing pisses me off more then that place
 
@DeadMG Just a question out of curiosity, did you and SK-logic ever have that chat? Reffering to programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/129530/…
 
no, we didn't
 
9:29 PM
:(
 
@MooingDuck Yeah. None of those descriptions are really deserved by such seemingly irresponsible actions...
 
@IDWMaster you asked.
 
apparently, he doesn't define "correct semantics" as "returns the correct result given the argument"
which I find a rather ... interesting ... definition
 
user562566
@MooingDuck Because when people want to trashing the religious views of another person we leave the realm of discussion and enter into bigotry and discrimination, insult etc.
 
@AscensionSystems excuse me, don't come in here trying to be a mod...
 
9:30 PM
@AscensionSystems We appreciate a good discriminate from time to time.
there's nothing so relaxing as mindlessly trashing other people
 
There seems to be a few comments removed also...
 
I generally enjoy doing it against the French, and religious people, and Americans
 
@AscensionSystems also, I've seen no evidence of what you describe here
 
@mantler About thirty of them.
 
user562566
@TonyTheLion I have no need to come in here and be a mod but I'll be happy to flag all the nonsense attacking other peoples beliefs for mods to come check out.
 
9:30 PM
Thats funny :)
 
It just struck me as a bit of a plothole, if you will.
 
@AscensionSystems We are the room owners and dictate the acceptable topics here.
 
@DeadMG we're used to a thrashing from you, seems to be your hobby :P
 
@AscensionSystems flag away, but we haven't gotten to attacking beliefs yet, just terminology
 
Xeo
@AscensionSystems Oooh, bad idea. The C++ room is known to be very lenient. And dictating.
 
9:31 PM
there's nothing wrong with discussing religion, and the point wasn't even discriminatory
 
Programming is completely incompatible with religion.
 
@DeadMG Thanks for the update on how it ended.
 
@AscensionSystems I suggest you leave this room right NOW then.
 
the religion of <insert favourite language here>
 
@DeadMG I didn't realize anyone was discussing religion. I didn't ask "did the wise men use Emacs", did I?
 
user562566
9:32 PM
@TonyTheLion Referring to characters in a book which someone people consider a holy book and calling them various degrading names and saying that their account is false etc is nothing but attacking/offensive.
 
@mantler As far as I can tell, he had absolutely no idea WTF was going on
 
user562566
Please, give me a little more credit than that.
 
@IneedHelp we don't really talk about programming here, that's just a myth
 
@IneedHelp Why?
 
@IneedHelp whoever said we were discussing programming?
 
9:32 PM
@AscensionSystems Hey, I consider the C++ standard holy, so please don't ever talk about undefined behaviour in my presence. :-)
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@AscensionSystems Then it's their own fault. We can discuss our own opinion of that book all we like.
 
I find your behaviour undefined :P
 
@AscensionSystems so far, that hasn't happened. Just saying
 
user562566
@KerrekSB That's all fineand well, I have not.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion My behaviour is implementation defined. I'm the implementation.
 
user562566
9:33 PM
@MooingDuck Denying things that are saved in plain text before your eyes in unwise.
 
I think that the Bible is a massive pile of shit. But I have every right to both state and discuss my opinion
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@IDWMaster Because religion promotes stupidity.
 
@AscensionSystems no one was doing that, you need to get your eyes checked :P
 
@AscensionSystems please link the text, I'm actually baffled by your claim.
 
@Xeo lulz
 
9:34 PM
@AscensionSystems ok, link BEFORE 30 seconds ago
 
@DeadMG I was really just wondering about the christmas story, that's all
 
@KerrekSB I know.
but in general
 
@DeadMG alright, I"m no Bible believer, but I wouldn't have stated it as blunt as you. But thanks for sharing :)
 
this is not a room of children, we are a bunch of adults, if you can't stomach our opinion on things then feel free to not be here
 
No Whoops
 
9:35 PM
no problem :P
 
@KerrekSB But you know, you can't even talk about this kind of things without someone coming in and claiming it's offensive or some other nonsense. It's silly.
 
I know
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm rapidly discovering that. And I'm still no wiser about the men...
 
IMO, it's your own job to protect yourself from offensive content
 
9:36 PM
yea, seems religion is touchy subject on the interwebs
 
Santa gave me a wallet made out of ball skin. When I tickle it it turns into s suitcase.
 
@AscensionSystems you seem to be reffering to my questioning of the translations of the three wise men as magi or kings? That's not an attack on religion, it's a question of wording.
 
oh noes, you might be exposed to different opinions to your own- cry me a river
 
user562566
@DeadMG Okay sure no problem. I'm not sure who it was that was stating that the three "wise" men were totally false on the implication that the gospels in which they are mentioned are false, is a complete blundering idiot. Any and all scholarly circles accept the gospels as viable, valid historical record, just as good as any.
 
too many opinions, and too many people too stuck and trying to defend their own. Just respect each others beliefs. Would make life easier, imo.
 
user562566
9:37 PM
@MooingDuck No I was referring to the person you were responding to.
 
@TonyTheLion See, here's the thing.
I'd be perfectly happy to accept that some people just have a bad brain chemistry or whatever and have strange beliefs
but I get pissed off when they start violating our laws
 
@AscensionSystems oh, DeadMG said he didn't think they existed. That's... not the kind of bashing I even notice. :( I was responding to Kerrek who simply said maybe they weren't wise. Also subtle
 
@DeadMG oh that's another thing, I agree with you there
 
for example, in the UK religious groups get tax breaks, exemptions from employment laws, etc, and that pisses me off
@AscensionSystems That was me, and I don't accept them as any kind of historical record
 
user562566
@MooingDuck Well it's an incredibly ridiculous and fallacious position to take, that's all.
 
9:38 PM
@DeadMG And I thought the US had a screwy political system....
 
@AscensionSystems So? What's wrong with casting doubt on whatever is accepted as valid or not?
 
@DeadMG well, tax breaks, are normally given by law makers, so that wouldn't be "violating the law", now would it?
 
actually, I might have been a little nastier than that about it
 
@AscensionSystems you should stop attacking other people's beliefs :D
 
@TonyTheLion Violating the laws that the non-religious people have to live by.
 
9:39 PM
Anyway, back to the story: It's sort of a fridge moment when you realise it. You see, Herod is known to be psychotic, so nobody should be surprised at his actions. But then you should imagine what happens like a week later or so, when the Magi are travelling back to their home, and someone comes up to them and says, "Hey, do you know what happened in Jerusalem, just after you left?" Whoops.
 
if I started a group about how great WideC is, do I get tax breaks? Noooo
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user562566
@DeadMG You're more than welcome to believe whatever you want. People with papers from prestigious universities around the world disagree with you. Appealing to authority sure, but when the consensus of the experts globally is against yours, you may be the one with bad brain chemistry as you put.
 
but if you start a group about how great God is, then hey, no problem
 
@DeadMG oh...
 
@TonyTheLion Why would I respect beliefs based on logically invalid stock arguments?
 
9:39 PM
@DeadMG We should start one
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Or in other words, pampering the religious groups.
 
@AscensionSystems I've never seen any evidence of any scholarly opinion that the Bible is a reliable source.
 
@DeadMG we'll have to change that then, won't we?
 
@TonyTheLion Sure would if I was in power.
 
user562566
@RMartinhoFernandes I think after 2000 years of doubt casting and having it still stand, we can take a step back and find something else to spend our time on.
 
9:40 PM
however, more accurately
 
@IneedHelp because if you don't, you're an asshole
 
Question: Is it offensive to claim neutrinos travel faster than light? After all, it's globally accepted as valid that they can't.
 
I find that it's logically impossible for the Bible to be a historically accurate source, since it says that a bunch of logically impossible things happened
 
Xeo
Hrhr
 
I was deeply offended by the CERN scientists that claimed so.
 
user562566
9:41 PM
@DeadMG Then you're uneducated and that doesn't make the statement false. A 5 year old may have never seen any evidence to convince them that 2+2=4, that doesn't make the statement false.
 
@AscensionSystems It quite possibly does, however, make throwing your life away in belief of it a stupid idea.
 
Xeo
@AscensionSystems In with the evidence then!
 
@AscensionSystems you seem to think that most people/scientists are Christian, or believe the bible. You are vastly mistaken.
@AscensionSystems and that statement works both ways, doesn't prove your point
 
Xeo
@AscensionSystems From here on, I believe that 1+1=3
 
@DeadMG consider that the Bible we now know, has probably been rewritten a few hundred times over the last 2000 years, and has therefore been subject to people entering in their own interpretation. I'm sure if you had the Bible as it was originally written, I'm guessing it would be somewhat different.
 
9:42 PM
@Xeo (when you forgot the condom)
 
@DeadMG never seen that about Wikipedia either :P
 
Xeo
 
and considering that there is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever in favour of God, and his existence is a central remit of the Bible, then I think that you'd more be talking about throwing your life away in favour of, say, alchemical transmutation from lead into gold
 
Xeo
 
@DeadMG Which is possible!
 
9:43 PM
not chemically
 
It just happens that it's way more expensive than the resulting gold is worth.
 
@Xeo wut?
 
and it's certainly not practical
:P
and it's certainly not worth throwing your life away over it :P
 
Cheap transmutation would be really cool.
 
@DeadMG What may not be possible by the laws of physics may still be possible, if the laws of physics could be changed by a divine being. There's nothing to prove that the laws of physics themselves couldn't have been changed.
 
9:44 PM
The probability of existence of a god is so small the concept can be completely dismissed. The same goes for invisible unicorns, the only difference is that god is mentioned in a book written by desert people 2000 years ago.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Magic would be really cool.
 
cheap condoms would be cool.... oh no, wait... they're cheap already.
 
@IDWMaster True. There's just no evidence whatsoever suggesting that they have been, and therefore no reason to believe that they ever have been changed.
 
@IneedHelp Nothing can be completely dismissed like that. That's not how science works.
 
this isn't just about "Oh well, you have no evidence it didn't happen!"
 
9:45 PM
@AscensionSystems lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm percentage of "leading scientists" who believe in any diety in 1998: 7%
 
you need strong evidence that it did happen
 
pics?
 
and the accounts of a bunch of people who were using mass religion to control the population fifteen hundred years ago are not strong evidence
 
user562566
No evidence for God hahahaha yeah you're right. Modern cosmology shows that the universe is absolutely finite and with the emergence of the discovery of dark energy all theories of an oscillating universe is out the window. The universe emerged necessarily from something super-natural, timeless, spaceless, of immense potential, immaterial. But no, there is no scientific basis for belief in God.
 
user562566
Kalam Cosmological Argument is one right off hand, go learn.
 
9:46 PM
@Xeo Yeah, I think cheap transmutation would count advanced enough technology.
 
Dark energy must mean there's a guy in a white robe who decides who goes to hell or not. Ok.
 
user562566
Look up a presentation of the KLC by William Lane Craig there's one basic case for the necessity.
 
@AscensionSystems See, now you're attacking the beliefs of the Big Bangers.
You're an offensive dick.
 
user562566
@RMartinhoFernandes Who said that? I was advocating the big bang. Learn2Read.
 
@AscensionSystems Uh, yeah. Finite. That quantum mechanics stuff didn't happen at all.
 
user562566
9:47 PM
@DeadMG What does that have to do at all with the universe having a finite number of past events?
 
@AscensionSystems You're attacking the beliefs of the atheists. There's no way out of this, offensive person.
 
How the hell can they prove the the universe is finite?? We can't even travel to Mars and back in a lifetime....
 
Atheism itself can be considered a religion.
 
because there is no such thing as one single past event? every event happened
that's the whole premise of Quantum Mechanics
 
user562566
@TonyTheLion It's called red shift, it's called observable empirical evidence, it's called deep background cosmic radiation, learn2read.
 
9:48 PM
@IDWMaster That means not-fishing is a hobby?
 
you know, that thing that makes your computer work?
 
How come red shift isn't in the bible?
 
and QM clearly states that every possible outcome does in fact occur
 
user562566
@DeadMG Wrong. Several things wrong there are well. Are you injecting the notion that quantum mechanics deal with the metaphysical or super natural?
 
@AscensionSystems Now you're attacking the beliefs of the stationary universe defenders!
 
9:49 PM
@AscensionSystems learn to STFU and not be rude, cause, bluntly, that's what you are
 
@TonyTheLion sure we can, a trip to mars only takes less than a year
 
You're soooo offensive.
 
of course not
 
@MooingDuck no has ever done it
 
@jalf: To clarify: The moderator queue gets a system-generated flag every time any post achieves more than 20 comments in a 3-day period. This happens in the C++ tag disproportionately more often than in most other tags, except maybe PHP (where people just attack each other). The flag is generated by a computer, not by a human being. Nobody's passing judgement on the folks who frequent the C++ tag; long comment chains in the tag is simply a factual observation. – Robert Harvey♦ 17 mins ago
lolz
 
9:49 PM
@TonyTheLion we've sent several things to mars, just never bothered to bring them back
 
@RMartinhoFernandes wtf are those?
 
@AscensionSystems Now you're attacking the beliefs of those that don't take "super natural" as something other than a joke. OMG you're a very very offensive person.
 
@MooingDuck I'm talking about live human beings, not objects...
 
user562566
@TonyTheLion That's what I am for defending my belief after you guys open your mouth and say what I consider a holy book is "a pile of shit" if I recall properly? So first I try and defuse the conversation and ignore your insults. Then I defend my position and I'm the offensive person?
 
all you've said is "Wrong", you haven't made any actual logical argument in favour of your posiiton
 
9:50 PM
@TonyTheLion Scientists that work on theories that don't include one event as the start of the universe.
 
@AscensionSystems I'm not accusing you of being offensive.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh right
 
but you're missing the fundamental point
 
user562566
@RMartinhoFernandes Super natural implies anything beyond the universe. If you don't believe there is anything beyond it then you need to imply that when the universe was a singularity it was simultaneously condensed to a point yet simultaneously infinitely external to itself, a plainly incoherent thought.
 
user562566
@DeadMG You were not accusing me I understand, I was replying to someone else.
 
9:51 PM
@AscensionSystems I'm trying to show you how ridiculous your position was in calling the original statement offensive.
 
@AscensionSystems What, as incoherent as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?
 
@AscensionSystems See, now you're calling those people incoherent! That's offensive!
 
because I don't find it plainly incoherent at all that the Universe should be simultaneously condensed to a single point yet infinitely external to itself
 
user562566
@DeadMG You're taking the conversation outside of what I stated. I made a statement regarding the finite past events of the universe and you're talking about various theories of a theoretical area of physics which most theoretical physicists all disagree on.
 
@sbi You're welcome.
 
9:53 PM
@AscensionSystems the first time you said something was offensive, there was nothing offensive here at all. Secondly, your comment was rude, you can defend your position all you want, but the "learn2read" is unnecessary and comes across as rude. (And yes, I said "STFU", and that was rude too, hereby my apologies)
 
@AscensionSystems The fundamental point is that you cannot debate the Bible. Nobody can go back in time and ask the guys who wrote it what the fuck they were thinking, or determine if they were on drugs, or carry out any other kind of useful experiment or anything, at all. There is no useful information to be gleaned from the Bible.
 
user562566
@DeadMG The universe is finite, is it not? Is the matter therein finite or not?
 
@AscensionSystems No! It's infinite. You're attacking my beliefs again.
 
@AscensionSystems Yeah, maybe in 1930. But since we used Quantum Mechanics to completely re-invent our society, it's become rather impossible to argue against it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Are you trolling? :P
 
9:54 PM
@TonyTheLion I think he is
 
@TonyTheLion I'm trying to make a point.
 
@Mysticial Sweet. Perhaps it's because disproportionately many C++ question warrAnt an extended discussion? (And are not just about how to manipulate today's deeply nested array?)
 
user562566
@DeadMG Those are ad hominems and as I said they give accounts which are accepted as any other account. On your world view unless you're biased, you need to hold then to the belief that nothing in history is verifiable.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes there's no good outcome of that
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think he's getting it
 
9:54 PM
I'm trying to make the point that you cannot call something out as offensive just because you don't agree with it.
 
@AscensionSystems As far as I know, the mass of the Universe is currently postulated to total at any one time 10^80 grams. However, QM would imply that it actually fluctuates between each Planck second.
 
user562566
@DeadMG Sorry but I have no idea where you got your information wrong. I think maybe you read a couple of stephen hawking books and that's where you've gleaned your history from.
 
@AscensionSystems I don't hold anything in history as verifiable.
 
user562566
@DeadMG That's incredibly sad then.
 
no, it's incredibly great
I can look at actual current evidence and look towards the future
 
9:55 PM
@KerrekSB Though that meta post is indeed heated - I guess I learned that C++ has long discussions and PHP users like to attack each other... lol
 
oh, someone's is trying to win an argument with @DeadMG...
 
@Mysticial Linky?
 
user562566
@DeadMG No it's a very sad position to take in order to avoid being confronted with a conclusion that will corner you with facts you won't accept to the point of deluding yourself into not believing anything at all.
 
@AscensionSystems There's not enough evidence at present to conclude either. Needless to say that we can only observe a finite part of the universe, on account of its finite age.
 
Xeo
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Q: Where did all the comments go on "Is `*--p` actually legal(well formed) in C++03"?

Ben VoigtThis answer of mine: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8845623/103167 used to have a lot of relevant comments from multiple users. Now they're gone, and not even a note from a diamond mod saying they were deleted. Any explanation would be nice.

Have fun
 
9:56 PM
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A: Where did all the comments go on "Is `*--p` actually legal(well formed) in C++03"?

Robert HarveyThe C++ tag is notorious for very lengthy comment chains. Normally I leave these alone, but sometimes these discussions get unnecessarily drawn out over pedantic details. The purpose of comments is to clarify the post, not necessarily to have lengthy discussions about language standards. Whi...

 
@AscensionSystems History? There's nothing historical about it. Those conclusions are what makes the device I'm using to communicate with you right now work.
 
user562566
@KerrekSB Thanks for agreeing with me to some degree Kerrek. DeadMG seems to think that the universe is ageless and infinite.
 
jump down to Robert Harvey's longest comment near the bottom.
 
if they were invalid, the transistor would be impossible, and every digital device along with it
 
@AscensionSystems IMO facts and belief do not mix. You're offending me again.
 
9:57 PM
> except maybe PHP (where people just attack each other).
this explains a lot :P
 
argh, fuck stupid moderators, and fuck the meta police from whom they're recruited
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@Mysticial Link?
 
@AscensionSystems And you seem to be offending him by stating otherwise!
 
@jalf meh, I don't know why you bother?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm not offended at all.
 
user562566
9:57 PM
@DeadMG I have no idea what you're on about now the conversation started out with me making the plain statement that the universe is finite and expanding and you saying no, it's not. You said einstein and hubble are wrong and were sniffing glue
 
@KerrekSB How to you permalink a comment? lol
 
@Mysticial Oh never mind!
 
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Q: Out-of-control moderating

jalfApparently, some moderators feel that they have a duty to delete long comment threads, no matter what. That once the thread is automatically flagged for being unusually active, it is an indisputable order to delete the comments. The moderator in question even said the following in defense of his...

 
@AscensionSystems Don't you get it yet? It doesn't matter what Einstein or Hubble said. And those guys are just men, they can be wrong just as much as I can be wrong.
 
user562566
9:58 PM
@DeadMG Kalam Consmological Argument. Go watch it.
 
it's a simple, obvious fact that QM works, because it powers my computer.
so unless you want to argue that the transistors in my CPU work on some other principle, then you have to accept QM as valid.
 
@AscensionSystems No, the conversation started with some offensive person claiming someone else's statement was offensive.
@AscensionSystems I can't. It attacks my beliefs and is therefore offensive.
 

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