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11:00 AM
1D array
 
sbi
std::size_t is the correct index type for C arrays.
 
sadly, AFAIK, Java will not let you use a 2D array and access it as a 1D array
 
@sbi But that code is Java ):
 
Xeo
@thecoshman "Sadly, Java"
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh. How was I supposed to see that?
 
11:02 AM
@thecoshman Make a class and overload operator... oh wait.
 
@Xeo I take the to be a confirmation
@sbi :P keeping you on your toes
 
@sbi If you can't tell a snippet of Java code from a snippet of C++ code just by looking at it...
:P
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I was also wanting operator overloading so I can use []
 
x[idx(x,y)]?
Where idx is a function that does the transformation.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Well then, why not just x.at(x,y)
 
11:04 AM
@Xeo Because it doesn't need to write a class.
 
@thecoshman still stands :P
 
class x : class Z, class Y {}; , that comma is comma operator in base class specification list?
 
(Well, it needs a class anyway, but well... fuck Java)
 
Xeo
@MrAnubis Is that supposed to be C++ code?
 
That doesn't look valid.
 
11:05 AM
@Xeo yes
 
Xeo
Then it's not valid
class X : public Y, public Z{}; would be a correct version
 
A comma in that place is just a separator.
 
Xeo
but no class in the base-class-list
 
@Xeo darn , I keep forgetting that
@RMartinhoFernandes aah , Thanks
 
Xeo
though I'm a bit curious why an elaborated-class-specifier isn't allowed in the base-class-list
 
11:09 AM
Because.
 
¬_¬ scum
 
0_o , advertiser :D
 
@MithunSasidharan Are you the same spammer from last week? GTFO.
 
No i am not :(
 
So you're a new spammer. GTFO.
 
11:12 AM
:D
 
no am not a spammer
 
I feel sorry for the mods... I bet they just got a shit storm flags :P
 
i am an authentic StakOverflow user with 2k+ reputations :)
 
That spams.
 
@MithunSasidharan then wtf is this?
 
11:13 AM
1 message moved to bin
 
sbi
@thecoshman Just four flags so far.
 
make that five
 
@sbi more or less everyone in here then :P
 
Who flagged @thecosh's message?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes :O which one?
 
sbi
11:14 AM
@thecoshman I also flagged for a mod, though.
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
@MithunSasidharan then wtf is this?
It's been invalidated already, obviously.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes fair enough. some one who is new might not realise that is fairly norm here
 
I didn't atleast :)
 
@DeadMG Can I be permitted to post one little image?
 
no
 
11:17 AM
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
Finally.
 
Do animated *.gif s count as images? They're not images, they're animations right?
 
lol, trying to legalese your way out of your deal?
 
sbi
@IntermediateHacker They're porn. :)
 
I'm pretty sure that it's room consensus not to post animations
 
At least not oneboxed.
 
sbi
11:21 AM
Last night someone I follow retweeted a tweet by some idiot who uses an animated image for his twitter account. Thankfully, I there were so many new tweets last night that it quickly scrolled out of my screen. I hate that.
 
damn, can't think about a workaround for the damn deal. :'(
 
@sbi You can use gifs for your avatar?
Wow.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Obviously. Or is there any other image format animated?
 
IDEA: what if I post a link that redirects to an image?
 
sbi
@IntermediateHacker What's your problem?
 
Xeo
11:23 AM
@IntermediateHacker What deal? Did I miss something?
 
@sbi PNGs can be animated. But that's not very common (and I bet support is shoddy)
 
@sbi hmmmm; this gives me an idea
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, maybe it was a PNG then. I dunno.
 
@Xeo He made a deal with the puppy, and his end of the bargain is to not post images here again.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes TIL
 
Xeo
11:24 AM
lol
 
sbi
@thecoshman I'd unfollow immediately.
 
Xeo
And what is the puppy's end?
 
change the caption only once.
 
@sbi you saw right th... yeah, I'm not sure how to spell that word :(
threw or through I think
 
@Xeo It's a bit of a Faustian deal, really. The subject gets a short-term benefit and then is bound to the pact for all eternity.
2
@thecoshman Latter.
 
11:27 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes I can do English me!
 
tl;dr
 
It's actually quite short.
 
actually, didn't even click the link :D
 
It fits on my laptop screen.
 
11:29 AM
well, I figured that since he was going stark raving mad, I could achieve my own objectives
and on that I succeeded just fine
 
so I have no regrets whatsoever
 
@RMartinhoFernandes ok, so that's actually worth reading :P
 
.... I got ripped off. :(
 
you knew all the terms and consented, so have a little more patience next time :D
rofl
 
11:36 AM
:D
lol, google translate can't translate swear words. I tried.
 
"K eminence PٹھA books"?
What's this?
 
wrong translation.
google translate gives me this:
The dog ptha mahilou
 
What language is that?
 
it didn't translate the last part.
 
I picked Persian.
Someone flagged it.
 
11:39 AM
lol. i got flagged. how long will I get suspended?
 
I doubt that flag will result in anything.
Unless there's a lot of <whatever that language is> speakers around.
But if you get a suspension, it lasts 30 minutes.
 
lol, guess I got saved by writing in a different language. :D
 
has any one got suspended for swearing?
 
no, I'm still here.
 
Tony was once suspended for a months old message.
 
11:45 AM
yeah, I forgot about Tony.
 
sbi
39
Q: Why am I suspended from chatting for a message that's from May this year?

TonyI have just been suspended from chatting in the C++ lounge for a message that was deleted by the @Feeds bot, that is from May this year. Why now the suspension (30 mins) for a message so old already?! Reason for ban I'm confused.

@IntermediateHacker Whenever I am asked whether a flag is valid for a message in a language I don't understand I make the flag valid. For all I know, it might be outragingly offensive. Had the culprit written in English, I could tell.
 
I do the opposite.
 
@sbi so there is a limit :P
 
If I don't understand, I click "not sure".
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes That's illogical.
@RMartinhoFernandes That's not the opposite.
@thecoshman A limit for what?
 
Xeo
11:49 AM
@IntermediateHacker Only once in... ?
 
sbi
@Xeo ...a lifetime.
 
@sbi But the button for that is on the opposite side of the flag window!
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes A robot's approach to logic.
 
@sbi on how foul language can be here
 
Xeo
lol
 
11:51 AM
@sbi "This whole thing is so stupid, it makes my toenails curl up in disgust." did you ever manage to straighten them again or are you in special shoes?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, of course. If users say something really enraging, I'll flag them.
 
Sometimes I see flagged messages that look like someone's cat walked over the keyboard. I once went to check what the context for one of those was, and noticed how the cats of everyone in that room were probably talking with each other over the Internet.
IOW Hindi looks like gibberish.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't recall that
 
@thecoshman You can't see flagged messages.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I was implying, admittedly rather badly, that the letter vomit was partially my doing
 
sbi
11:55 AM
@thecoshman Are you a cat?
@thecoshman I clip them. You should try that. It enables you to keep your socks longer, too.
 
@thecoshman @see
@sbi keep your socks longer?
oh, I get you :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman You'll never get me.
 
@sbi I don't know, I might make my way over to Germany at some stage
do you live in a fun part?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Berlin.
 
@thecoshman @sbi is not a plant. He can move away.
 
11:59 AM
@sbi oooh
@RMartinhoFernandes I like to think the thought of me having a week or two holiday in a big city where you also live would not scare you so much that you would move away
 
12:26 PM
Hello
 
12:52 PM
my ban finally ended!
now I know how Tony feels.
 
erm... I thought fuck in German was furtch, or frutch
I've photocopied a paperclip onto 1000 sheets of A4 paper,and then put it in the printer tray. IT bloke is stumped as to what's going on.
 
sbi
@thecoshman I can't parse that.
 
@thecoshman uh-uh, somebody is going to get flagged again ^^
 
Pfft.
 
@sbi hmm, there are to words that a very similar, just a pair of letters next to each other that are swapped around. What's German for fear?
 
12:58 PM
I love the chatroom MOTD thing, by the way.
 
@NikiC ¬_¬ I think some body doesn't give a shiny rat's ass
 
@thecoshman Not saying that I would flag you (I flag only spam, not language). Just saying that some @genesis will come by and flag you ^^
 
@NikiC oh right. well, my point still stands. Though I doubt some one will flag me, at least not some one who is fairly regular, this chat room is able live with people saying fuck
 
i thik i just lost my filesystem on ununtu
when i try to boot, i get taken to the grub console
so i am f**ked right ?
lost my filesystem correct ?
 
@drunkMonk well then, achievement unlocked?
@drunkMonk what do you mean franked?
 
1:06 PM
@thecoshman i am serious man
what are my options now
?
 
try a live disc
 
@drunkMonk Why do you assume that? Grub is just the boot loader. If you're thrown into the grub console, teh obvious explanation would just be that you misconfigured your boot loader
Of course, it could also be because it, for some reason or other, is unable to load the OS
 
but sir, i didnt really play around with the boot loader ..
 
I think next time I have a problem with programming, I might go over to server fault
5
 
but grub is a boot loader, not a filesystem-error-checker,
@drunkMonk well, did you play around with the filesystem?
 
1:07 PM
well
i just mounted cgroups
 
"seen 20s ago, talked 19s ago" I think this chat room still has a few minor problems
I would first of all use a live to disc and make sure you can mount you HDD and see the data on them. If you can, you probably just need to reconfigure grub. If you can't you are really screwed
 
ok'
@thecoshman i previously used an iso file mounted thru daemon tools to install ubuntu. Now, do i need to burn that iso onto a disk and then use it to boot ?
@the
@thecoshman can you please elaborate the procedure to use a live disk ?
 
@drunkMonk well, your installation method is interesting; but yes, you will need to use a physical disc. You'r not using a virtual machine are you?
@drunkMonk I think you have it figured already, burn the ubuntu disc then boot from that
 
@thecoshman no .. i have a windows installation .. i had started the installation of ubuntu from within windows ..
 
@drunkMonk I've never installed it that way. How do you normally boot into ubuntu?
 
1:13 PM
@thecoshman but how will the disk realise that i want to access a previously screwed ubuntu ?
@thecoshman i boot thru the boot options prompt of windoes
*windows
 
@drunkMonk you are not trying to install. You simple want to run ubuntu from the CD. From there you can try to mount your ubuntu HDD add make sure that the data is still there and readable
 
@thecoshman oh ok .. (sigh)
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh, now I see, you want translations! Well, "fuck" (the verb) is "ficken" in German. The noun "fear" translates to "Angst" or "Furcht". (With the latter it likely it shares an etymological root.)
 
@sbi so, is "Frucht" a word?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, it's a noun meaning "fruit".
 
1:19 PM
@sbi oooh, I'm going to earn me some smart ass points when I next I see a certain some one ¬_¬
@sbi are there are any [German] words that you can think of that sound like "Furcht" or "Frucht" that would be 'comical' to mistake
 
sbi
@thecoshman Well, these two are certainly comical to mistake for each other.
 
@sbi really? "I fancy a fear salad for pudding" hardly going to laugh at that
 
sbi
@thecoshman Sometimes, when speaking, people mistakingly say "furchtbar" ("terrible") instead of "fruchtbar" ("fertile") or vice versa, and we wacky Germans love at something as bleak as that. I can't think of any other that sound similar. However, I think finding such things in your own language is usually harder than in a foreign language.
 
@sbi probably...
 
@Xeo erm 112 is the national emergency service in the Netherlands (i.e. '911')...
 
1:30 PM
if any one uses chrome (probably need English version) in the omni-box type "reasons"... see what it auto suggests
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I tried using animated svg just for kicks, but SO didn't accept it. Or rather, not render it properly
 
oh, any idea what NSFA means? I would Google it, but well, I am sure googling NSFA is NSFA, what ever NSFA means and I don't know if I am 'A'
 
@sbi can you translate please? or this a funny that is only funny in that language?
@sbi I'm scared
@sbi oh... well kind of glad of I didn't just search for "NSFA"
 
sbi
@thecoshman I'm not sure what you expect me to translate. Google didn't find any "interesting" meanings for NSFA.
 
1:40 PM
@sbi "Did you know that Ikea makes köttbullar out of what's left in småland at the end of the day? :)"
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh, that referred to something else. It's English, no? And what's not in English is Ikea slang. You do know Ikea, don't you?
 
@sbi well, I know that IKEA seem enjoy watching English speakers struggle to pronounce words that are just utterly alien to us
 
sbi
@thecoshman Sigh. As always, you should simply ask aunt google. She knows stuff:
These are köttbullar.
> The name "Småland" is used as the name of the children's play areas at some IKEA stores. — Wikipedia
 
1:55 PM
@sbi sigh. As always, I am lazy
 
Why do people like @genesis do flagging raids? what do they get from it? You don't get rep. by flagging do you?
 
sbi
@IntermediateHacker He's a teen, and thus much closer to your age range. So you tell me.
 
@IntermediateHacker fuck. Am I fucking getting flagged for fucking saying fuck too many fucking times?
 
@sbi I have no idea. people of my age usually hate being a pain in the neck for others, even my class prefect (who's an assh*le) doesn't like complaining about everyone to the authorities.
 
@IntermediateHacker he boasted about his flagging in his bid for moderator-ship. so did many others. i got the impression that having flagged a lot of stuff and having had that registered in some way (SO stats?) is one criterion for being eligible as moderator
by the way, i took the bus from central oslo at precisely 12:00, at IKEA Furuset at about 12:15, then 100 NKr exactly for large portion of swedish meatballs plus unlimited beverage (I chose some kind of probably neither Coke nor Pepsi Cola), returning at 12:42 and back in central Oslo at 13:00. I did not see anyone else doing as I. I guess if it became a popular sport, they would simply place guards at the shortcut to the restaurant, forcing customers the long way through the store?
the nice thing about this, no need to wash up! :-)
 
2:14 PM
@AlfPSteinbach I think they would try that for a while, then give up when they just have a snaking line of people through the store. so, is 100 NKr cheap?
 
yes, it's about the same as hamburger + coke at Burger King
not to mention the free bus ride! :-)
 
@AlfPSteinbach I hate the fact that that actually puts it into perspective ¬_¬
 
why can't I convert Foo** to Bar** if Bar is base class of Foo ?
 
Anyone got an opinion on this article about Plastis 'Transparent' SCM:
 
@Abyx find the similar question on constness in the faq lite
 
sbi
2:19 PM
@Abyx You can, unless you discard qualifiers. (const?)
 
Xeo
@sbi You can't through a double pointer
 
there are no const's
 
@Abyx right but it's the same problem
 
sbi
@Xeo Darn, I didn't even pay attention to that!
 
Xeo
There's an IO library for C++ out there that takes advantage of exactly that. If you want to print a class-type object, and only defined a conversion function to string for a base-class of that object, you get an error
I think it was called FastFormat
 
2:21 PM
is dirent.h cross-platform?
 
recent 2 flags: i said valid on one and invalid on the other, just to present a balanced view to SO
 
well, a Foo is a type of Bar but a Foo* is not a type of Bar* is it
 
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/dirent.h.html
If POSIX is cross-platform
 
Xeo
@AlfPSteinbach Might aswell have gone "not sure" on both
And I deemed both invalid.
Fuck SO rules.
 
Quick grammar question: There is one start symbol and its production is first, right?
 
2:23 PM
so, it's because it's "dangerous"?
 
@Pubby what?
 
@AlfPSteinbach I 'valid'-ed the 'F IE/F Chrome' message. I said 'not sure' to 'F all the things!' - the latter was clearly not intended as anger, it had a certain style. But I was too lazy to head over and read the context
 
@sehe Fuck all the flags!
 
@thecoshman Flag all the thugs!
 
@Abyx consider: Derived* pDerived = &aDerivedObj; Base** pBase = &pDerived; *pBase = &aDifferentDerivedClassObj;
 
2:26 PM
@sehe I'm not a thug :( just cocky
 
@AlfPSteinbach but in my case, there can't be a DifferentDerived class
 
Xeo
@AlfPSteinbach Yep, same problem as with const
 
where aDifferentDerivedClassObj is of class DifferentDerived
 
Xeo
@Abyx But there could sometime in the future
 
7 mins ago, by sehe
Anyone got an opinion on this article about Plastis 'Transparent' SCM:
I wrote a nice warm comment (see it here) but I doubt it will be published on their - moderated - blog
Now, is this (^) stuff the kind of thing Prog.SE is for? I never found much use for Prog.SE before :)
 
Xeo
2:28 PM
Prog.SE is for the general life of programmers. SO is for their programmatical problems.
 
Who said you are? Also, I didn't flag you...

(yet)
 
@sehe shit, there on to me
 
well... it seems I should use reinterpret_cast, or create a class for linked lists, instead of T**
 
sbi
@sehe PSE is good for easily harvesting rep. I answer there about a dozen questions a year, yet I have >6k.
 
@sbi and yes, on this excursion i managed to pick up (well i paid for it) "Betrayer of Worlds", which you pointed out earlier. I hope that's the second in the series (Niven/Lerner)?
 
2:29 PM
@Xeo Prog.SE is for people who don't really want an answer. SO is for getting answers
 
@sbi But you're the ape! And, I don't need rep on a site I don't frequent
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach You bought a book at Ikea??
 
No no, at a science fiction store at the central station, not far from the IKEA bus stop
 
"The IKEA bus stop". Let me guess, that wasn't on Malta
 
@sbi wow, the wiki mods are being rather lack. surely such a short page should be deleted
 
2:32 PM
oh. so to read this in sequence i need to first get "Juggler of Worlds". Argh!
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Life's a bitch. (And then you die.)
 
@sbi: yah. ok it will have to wait till tomorrow.
 
@sbi dam you... I now find out where that is from
 
@sehe well it's only one IKEA bus stop in central Oslo. it serves two IKEA stores, at Furuset and somewhere else. the placement of the bus stop is very well hidden in the IKEA pages on the net, but of course, people have been asking about it and answering it in numeruous forums, so google found it for me.
 
2:38 PM
@thecoshman that's very well said
 
@AlfPSteinbach though I mostly want to learn about how holograms work :P
 
@thecoshman this is a random picture off the interwebs:
 
@thecoshman oh, they're easy, based on interference. you just paint your walls with holographic paint and then it looks like you're sitting outdoors. sort of.
 
I hope the link works. Having trouble to imgur it without oneboxing
 
sbi
@sehe The link works, and oneboxed it was good. BTW, you might want to read the newbie hints. They explain when stuff is oneboxed. :)
 
2:42 PM
@sbi I actually meant to say, now I have to. Found the same page. Thanks any way
@sehe yeah... I saw it ¬_¬
 
hehe. no particular reason :) just to cheer @thecoshman up, I suppose
 
@sehe thank's I guess...
I'll send you a picture of a comical ape one day as well
and it will not be @sbi
 
you said "comical ape", right?
 
@sbi simples, when the fairies feel up to it
@sehe yeah; well, I tried to
 
@thecoshman erm, this time the spelling was ok :)
 
2:45 PM
@sehe I can haz cookie?
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, but only because the fairies felt up to...
 
@thecoshman have the whole jar
that made sense
out of nonsense
 
@sbi do they prefer a y ¬_¬
 
I'm running - swimming class for my daughter :)
 
sbi
@sehe Is there Whiskey in the Jar? :)
 
2:47 PM
@sbi thanks. now that song is stuck in my head, I didn't even watch it
@sbi huh... thin lizzy version.
 
is the robot around?
 
1
Q: run-time penalty of C++ try blocks

GigaQuantumI have heard anecdotally that using "try" blocks in C++ slows down the code at run-time even if no exceptions occur. I have searched but have been unable to find any explanation or substantiation for this. Does anyone know if this is true & if so why?

silly benchmark of the day?
 
well, what he's asking about does occur
and he's not asking about how to get rid of it, or worrying about how expensive it is, he's just asking if the slowdown exist
 
I just got accosted with this...
 
3:06 PM
gcc is pretty good at proving that no exceptions can be thrown it turns out
 
hopefully it only proves that in cases where no exceptions can be thrown?
 
Hi Grizzly
 
yeah it was getting it correct
 
hi Olumide
 
I wanted to analyse the output of a try-catch I knew could never catch
 
3:09 PM
so what was your problem with enable_if?
 
@awoodland i added answer :-)
 
(Never mind that the program is called CygwinTest.cpp. I compiled it in Visual Studio)
 
0
Q: Initialising base class in constructor?

IntermediateHackerThe Code MainWindow::MainWindow(int w, int h, const string& c) : Fl_Window(w, h, c.c_str()) // Don't call constructor over here { script.load_file(WIN_CONFIG_SCRIPT); int width = script.get_global_int("width"); int height = script.get_global_int("height"); const char* cap...

 
@IntermediateHacker oh no
 
did you include boost/type_traits.hpp?
 
3:11 PM
@AlfPSteinbach that's a nice reference
 
@awoodland yes. thanks. ;-)
 
#include <boost/type_traits.hpp> did the trick ...
 
dude
Pastebin for massive code dumps
kindly edit the message content away
 
What did you try doing there?
 
Sorry. DeadMG. I'm a newbie. I wont post any more code dumps.
 
3:16 PM
4 messages moved to bin
ok
no big deal
 
Grizzly, I tried doing: Device<ABC> dev2;
 
and your enable_if had the condition M != KLM?
 
It had the condition M == KLM
Pardon my asking but should it matter? I was hoping that this technique would silently drop unsupported methods.
 
it explains why it has false as integral_constant
 
Erm ... sorry?
 
3:24 PM
But now that I think about it there might be a mistake in my answer
intressting that noone noted+
one moment
 
Okay.
 
ok, got it
enable_if depends on SFNIAE, which only works if the method itself is a template, since otherwise the error in the declaration will still be parsed and thus give you such an error
the workaround is to use a dummy template parameter:
template<bool B = true> inline typename boost::enable_if_c<B && M == KLM, void>::type do_bar();
 
I have thought of providing a default declaration that will match and perhaps contain a #error. Will you edit your answer?
 
What do you mean with default declaration?
But yes I will certainly edit my answer to reflect this change
 
I'm probably talking nonsense. I'm referring to a method template that will be instantiated for unsupported devices but triggers and error using #error. Unfortunately I don't know enough about Generic programming to begin to implement it.
 
user142019
3:33 PM
Good afternoon.
 
you can't use #error, it is a preprocessor directive
 
The problem is that the function has to depend on a template parameter, which is not known when instantiating the template class (so it must be itself a template function). So you basically don't win anything
 
Okay. Then again, it might be best not to have unsupported methods appear.
 
SFNAIE ... yet another reason I miss C++
 
Xeo
It's called SFINAE
 
3:34 PM
I started reading The Complete Templates Guide and will hopefully master templates some day.
 
¬_¬ FFS
 
Xeo
Or if you're Yoda, SFNAEI - substitution failure not an error is
But not something inbetween
@Olumide Good luck, nobody mastered anything in C++ yet.
There's always something that is new.
 
I would think yoda would be more like NAESFI - Not an error substituation failure is
4
 
no, the Yoda version would be AESFIN
 
Are you sure?
 
3:38 PM
@Xeo I meant to know enough of the language to understand the tricks. Generic programming is still very new to me. And I'm really struggling to understand the tricks.
 
I think that's unreadable. What about e.g. FINASE, or ASINEF
or FISANE
or like FASINE?
ah, dark force inspiration, AFENIS
 
Xeo
I just noticed that there is a Java framework called XEO. :(
 
Xeo
Now I have the urge to change my nick.
 
FINASE is badly revered logic, if I am not moving forward I *must* be moving backwards
ASINEF well, no substituting is not an 'error', so what?
FISANE not all errors are substitutions
FASINE again, not all errors are substitutions
AFENIS now that's just nonsense
@Xeo just be glad your name is not Java
 
3:48 PM
@Olumide: Fixed my answer accordingly (and added the description for boost::enable_if)
And good luck with your template learning
 
@thecoshman well, what about INSAFE?
 
@AlfPSteinbach INSAFE can't tell you, forgot the combo
 
sbi
> Xeo is also a common name/username because of the absract (sic!) meaning, and improper usage. — UrbanDictionary.com
 
well it is maybe like the zen, Is Not Substitution A Failure Error?
 
what exactly is a failure error?
 
user784668
3:52 PM
@Grizzly A failure error is the situation when a failure errs, isn't it obvious?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach INSAFE is certainly much easier to pronounce than SFINAE! Why oh why didn't Dave think about this?
 
user784668
@sbi for whom is it easier to pronounce?
 
@sbi can you fill me in please. UrbandDictionary is blocked at work... for some reason
 
@Fanael: Now that you mention it
 

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