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user50049
5:00 PM
Chat flags have been getting a bit silly across the board, to be honest
 
user50049
Fortunately there aren't too many of them
 
instead of flagging messages one should pole messages
 
@TimPost That's the general consensus around here.
 
Als
@TimPost: I agree
On a good day, there aren't too many.
but on some days, ahem...
 
@TimPost I have to disagree. There are a few, and given their silliness, I'd say that's really too many.
 
5:02 PM
What egg?
 
Als
@CatPlusPlus: You are late, We won't tell you now.
 
user50049
If someone says something genuinally offensive, it should probably be looked at by a moderator, especially if that person has a history of being disruptive. But in a chat setting where people are encouraged to communicate in real time (vs writing carefully written answers) .. a little latitude should be permitted. That isn't to say that everyone should swear like sailors and act like a drunk fraternity.
 
Als
@CatPlusPlus: how often do you see a SO mod in C++ Lounge?
@TimPost: How do we define or evaluate Little Latitude?
How much is too much?
 
user50049
@Als That's what I'm contemplating now.
 
5:04 PM
@Als I don't really pay attention.
 
user50049
Profanity on any Stack Exchange site or facility is going to get you dinged.
 
Saying "I'm fucked up." is not offensive, not an expletive, and not profanity.
 
user50049
Being outwardly aggressive or hostile to someone is also something to avoid, but trolls do tend to get the better of people, especially good trolls
 
Als
@TimPost: Given that this is a global community, we may never arrive at a common point. What maybe pretty much okay for some people may not be for others.
 
user50049
@Als That's where I'm at. So I think rather than re-define what is 'good' or 'not good' behavior, we should instead be considering the threshold at which too much 'not good' results in a penalty.
 
5:07 PM
Well, I think a main point is how immediate the communication is. Like over in clcm++ we don't allow any profanity whatsoever. Not even misspellings like "Pecker" (as someone once named the secretary of library things), which could be interpreted as being intentional.
Chat is something else
IMHO
 
Oh, @Alf is using capitals!
 
user50049
@AlfPSteinbach Yes, communicating in real time more or less diminishes the amount of thought you put into what you transmit.
 
People are so obsessed with silly, irrelevant things.
 
user50049
I'm contemplating a feature request .. but it's not even half baked at this point.
 
Als
@TimPost: Do you really believe the chat can be regulated?
 
5:09 PM
@TimPost No, you are intentionally missing the point. Which tells me you got it. :-)
 
Als
@TimPost: would it be chat if regulated?
 
I still think it'd be best if moderating powers were transferred from entire chat voting to room owners.
 
user50049
@Als Chat has to be regulated to the point that the majority of users enjoy using it. Otherwise, what's the point of having it?
 
@CatPlusPlus Problem is some rooms have a single owner.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's their problem.
 
5:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus I doubt that argument will fly against those who make the decisions.
 
Als
@TimPost: Then majority who really visit the rooms only once in a blue moon and start flagging chat messages, should not be allowed to flag at all.
 
I think that just adding context to the flag decision window will solve many issues.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: I had started a thread on that in meta
 
I know. I really hope it gets implemented.
 
Als
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Q: More information is needed in chat Flagged Posts

AlsToday while I was in one of the chatrooms, I noticed a lot of posts being flagged in some other chatroom(I have the necessary 10K rep to vote on flagged posts) but the flagged post just shows the particular post that is flagged and no information or way to seek the information in the context in w...

 
user50049
5:13 PM
@Als My thinking is at a slightly lower level. I'm wondering if the 'flagging system' (as is) is even appropriate for chat.
 
user50049
@Als Exactly. Have one flag .. "other" and make it require a reason. Let the moderators decide when bans are warranted, not the system.
 
Wouldn't that put too much pressure on mods?
 
user50049
And yes, some context in the flag view would be awesome.
 
Als
@TimPost: Can moderators handle the pressure?
yeah @RMartinhoFernandes: exactly my q
 
@TimPost (Note that a feature for flagging for mods to decide already exists)
 
user50049
5:15 PM
@Als I wouldn't have a problem with it, and I don't think any of the other SO mods would either. If I suggest something, I'm going to suggest it be implemented for chat.stackoverflow.com only
 
Als
@TimPost: There could be chat room Mods, who could act on flagged messages.
 
user50049
@Als Flags are more or less global, we see them wherever we are. If I'm in any room on chat.so, I see flags from all chat.so rooms
 
Als
@TimPost: Well, If the mods won't have an problem handling it then it might just work, hopefully, the actions of the mods will be a little more transparent too.
 
user50049
@Als Well, pretty much everything we do is rather transparent, but the flag system is a bit more opaque
 
Doing that would just be a matter of removing the the flag icon.
 
Als
5:18 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes: how so?
 
user50049
Anyway, hopefully I can roll it up into a coherent feature request that will pass the Jeff tests, but I don't think I'll manage to do it this week.
 
@TimPost "the Jeff tests"?
 
@Als If you click on the arrow to the left of messages there's a "flag for moderator" option that does exactly what @Tim suggests.
 
user50049
It's not uncommon to implement certain things on SO simply because of the volume we receive, and I think that could carry over to chat.so as well
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: I know, you said it would result in removing the flag icon, i didn;t understand that
 
user50049
5:20 PM
I'm basically thinking of narrowing that down to []spam []requires moderator attention. What I have to demonstrate is why that wouldn't result in people marking everything they don't like as spam
 
Als
@TimPost: But the chat really needs attention and quick because as we see lot of wrongs do happen in here and quite often.
 
user50049
If no mods are up and about, the users in a given room should be able to flag something really offensive or spammy into oblivion.
 
user50049
but 10 'other' flags could do that, too
 
user50049
Or, more simply, give more abilities to room owners
 
5:23 PM
Yup.
 
Als
@TimPost: With the information that gets displayed in flagged post, most ussers pass it out as "Not Sure" because there is not just enough context.
 
user50049
@AlfPSteinbach The "Jeff test" is a series of 'what if' questions you learn to ask yourself after two plus years of proposing features.
 
user50049
@Als Yes, the first feature request is going to be show me the conversation in context
 
Als
I need to say here that the cat, @CatPlusPlus, is a room owner here, and I see the cat very persistent on getting those mod powers! :P
 
5:24 PM
@TimPost ah. i just wondered about the decision structure here, so to speak. like if jeff had to personally okay anything and everything.
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: Jeff == Steve?? , Jobs ofcourse
 
@Als jeff atwood, i think he's called
 
Greetings, earthlings
 
user50049
Well not everything and anything, but if you failed to think of something important, he's going to notice
 
Als
@TimPost: So he signs off on most things like Ssteve Jobs does for Apple.
@EtiennedeMartel: Where have you been past few days? Seen you Rep-Whoring a couple of days ago i think :P
 
5:27 PM
first hit on "jeff beck" on youtube! i can't decide what is being played on which instrument...
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: "I just noticed. There are no freehand circles there" What freehand?
 
user50049
@Als I'm not saying Jeff is cynical by any means, but if he can envision a realistic way that a new feature would result in chaos, he's going to shoot it out of the sky.
 
@Als I've been sleeping, mostly.
University is hard.
 
user50049
And please remember, chaos is case sensitive now.
 
ChAoS?
 
Als
5:31 PM
@MrAnubis: I don't know when you saw me writing code to say this.
6 hours ago, by Mr.Anubis
@Als I was viewing you code , it was difficult for me to read , you really care about error :)
 
@Als Freehand circles are circles (and other shapes) people usually draw by their own hand (usually with MSPaint or similar) on pictures they post on MSO. Sometimes lack of freehand circles is a reason for downvotes.
 
@Als i think he was trying to reply to me. i posted some code.
 
Also, sleeping sounds good.
 
hmm that was for @AlfPSteinbach
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: that explsains :)
 
5:32 PM
Al s = Al f
 
Als
Als != Alf
 
@MrAnubis not quite, but she has the same initials as my mother. easy to confuse, i admit.
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: SHE??
 
Confirmed, @Als is female.
 
5:33 PM
now you understand Als
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: you never know :P
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh my!
 
Als
@CatPlusPlus: how?
 
@CatPlusPlus thx, it's so confusing with mean with breasts and women with penises and, well everything.
 
did he change his avatar?
 
Als
5:35 PM
@AlfPSteinbach: haha
 
@Als I think you once stated you were female.
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: references please
 
As the resident archivist, I have to say that no, he didn't.
 
@Als and in spite of what many of us like to think, we DO deal differently with women and men
 
Als
5:36 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes: aye
@AlfPSteinbach: In what way?
 
But Tony did.
 
@Als for example, jokes are different. and flirting.
 
Als
lulz
@TonyTheTiger should be @TonyTheTigress :P
@AlfPSteinbach: Is anyone flirting here thinking I am a she
 
Ok, I'm not a trusted user anymore. There goes 100 rep.
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R. Martinho FernandesPointers cannot be persisted directly to file, because they point to absolute addresses. To address this issue I wrote a relative_ptr template that holds an offset instead of an absolute address. Based on the fact that only trivially copyable types can be safely copied bit-by-bit, I made the ass...

 
@Als I think that may have happened.
 
5:38 PM
@Als A bit of uncertainty about peoples' gender is just part of the Internet experience!
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: keen to know more of that :)
 
@Als See, now you're doing it. You think I am a male.
 
Then again, even in person the same applies, even though people tend to be less aware of it...
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: I know you are a male, you have a picture of a handsome guy in your pic you see:P
flirt mode on :P
@JerryCoffin: ofcourse! It happens more often than any of us will admit.
 
nasty fellas
 
Als
5:41 PM
A pretty girl might get through where an genius dude might not, its all depends on the perspective
@MrAnubis: What is nasty, apart from your comment?
 
your flirt mode
 
Als
@MrAnubis: Really? You would be a tail wagging puppy fur ball by now if i were to say i am a girl.
We are discussing human tendencies, perhaps you ain't aware of those.
 
@als: hum, right, you're male. sorry 'bout that.
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: hehe
How did you conclude to that though?
 
@Als don't tempt me at making myself look silly :P
 
Als
5:49 PM
@TonyTheTiger: shhhh :P
 
@Als i just googled you.
 
@AlfPSteinbach is that a threat?
 
it seems to be some people's habit to google others :)
LOL
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: grrr......
 
@AlfPSteinbach Whiskey tango foxtrot
 
Als
5:51 PM
dang that is going to get etched in forever!
@TonyTheTiger: See what @AlfPSteinbach, did!
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: Handsome bloke that though eh..
 
@Als I see it, meh, but does that come up when you google Als?
 
yeah, we're both handsome
 
5:52 PM
@TonyTheTiger i think different people get different google results, mayhbe
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: no, he tricked me in to posting a query on comp.lang.c++.moderated and that gave away my id
@AlfPSteinbach: you witty man!
 
What a stalker.
 
Als
damn now that maynot be me really lol
 
@Als ah damn it, and you even posted a link in here sometime ago to that thread
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: I didn't know @AlfPSteinbach, would trick me!
ahh...poor me
 
5:54 PM
@Als this is the internetz, full of tricksters and con men
 
@TonyTheTiger And FBI agents.
 
Als
now atleast someone say the bloke is good looking
haha
 
@EtiennedeMartel Who are both tricksters and con men! :-)
 
@Als Who?
 
Als
The bloke!
 
5:56 PM
@Als I would, but using the word "bloke" is against my religion.
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: Why?
 
@Als What is a "bloke"? Sounds like some semi-sentient amorphous mass.
 
my current FB icon...
:)
 
@AlfPSteinbach Tasty.
 
Als
@EtiennedeMartel: huh
 
5:58 PM
@Als It just seemed like a good rule. Unfortunately, my religion isn't doing so well -- I figured it would be cool for several million people to worship me and send me their money (and maybe a beautiful virgin now and again), but so far none of that's happening. Do you think allowing the use of "bloke" would change that?
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: Just searched you on google and surprise surprise
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: dang, everyone @JerryCoffin, wants women here, women hungry C++ programmers
 
5:59 PM
lol
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: Just googled you and there are About 1,510,000 results
lol
 
@Als This sentence lacks some key words, I think.
 
Als
@EtiennedeMartel: Im speechless, wordless and faceless
 
@Als I wouldn't turn down women, but quite frankly I'm more interested in a few million people sending me their spare money!
 
Just the spare?
 
Als
6:01 PM
@JerryCoffin: Money is never spare
 
@Als You have no face?
 
Als
@EtiennedeMartel: no I ain't showing :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh yes -- I don't want anybody to be in the poor house or anything -- I take pride in being much less demanding than most of the other deities!
 
Als
I added the guy @AlfPSteinbach, who posted his FB image
 
6:05 PM
@Als what does that mean?
 
@Als He is pretty close to anonymous, isn't he? I'm not exactly famous, but 1.5 million gets lost in the noise if you Google me...
 
Als
@AlfPSteinbach: it means I added you on FB!
@JerryCoffin: Let me take a dig at you :P
@JerryCoffin: I found a very young Jerry Coffin on FB
Thats not you i reckon
:P
 
@Als Go for it. Of course, I should probably add that only a fraction of those are really me.
 
2
Q: Setting a QDialog to be an alien

Johannes Schaub - litbIn a standalone GUI application where I don't have a windowmanager nor a composite manager I want to display a QDialog to the user to ask for values. The dialog is quite big, so I want to make it translucent so that the user can look through it to see what happens in the application while the d...

@Johannes only has 59% accept rate?
 
I'm probably awfully easy to find on FB.
 
Als
6:08 PM
@EtiennedeMartel: Find me if you can and add me then :)
 
Funny, when I search "Als" on Google I get info about Lou Gehrig
 
@Als Yes, there are several of me, only one of whom is really me!
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: you are well hidden i see
 
I think @Als might be a disease.
That would explain the lack of face.
 
@EtiennedeMartel "Ada Lovelace Syndrome"
 
6:11 PM
@Als Not really, or not intentionally anyway. If talking about C++ weren't forbidden here, I'd guess that there must be a defective copy ctor involved...
 
Als
@EtiennedeMartel: I found you
 
@FredOverflow Oh, so Als' a woman then.
@Als Of course you did, I use my real name after all.
 
Als
can i reveal @EtiennedeMartel, here?:P
hehe
 
My face is just a Google search away.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I would never reveal my real name publicly, though I have been using this same alias since my parents gave it to me shortly after I was born.
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Als
6:13 PM
@JerryCoffin: Found you on spoke.com
 
@JerryCoffin The only place where I use my real name is Stack Overflow.
 
@JerryCoffin It will also fit great when you leave this mortal world ;-)
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: you mean this is your alias?
 
@Als Well, it would be mine if I could convince other people to stop using it! As is, it's more like a time-share than something I really own!
@FredOverflow Perhaps -- or maybe I'll finally fit great in it!
 
Als
@JerryCoffin: Ah.....you chose to be anonymous, so why break it
 
6:17 PM
@Als Yes, this seems to be a case where continue should be used over break!
 
Nonsense, this is clearly a job for goto.
 
@CatPlusPlus Dijkstra must be rolling in his grave.
 
Or maybe rorring.
 
Als
hmm
 
6:22 PM
hmmm
hmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmm
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, but I doubt this has much effect on that. The existence of COBOL has prevented his corpse's spinning from dropping below trans-sonic yet.
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: Easy on the hmm, you Nemesis is here, might get you banned again :P
 
This whole life thing is exhausting.
 
@Als oh whatever, I don't care anymore
@CatPlusPlus huh?
 
6:24 PM
Good lad.
 
Als
hehe
@JerryCoffin: Okay i couldn't find you on FB, but did find you on spoke.com
 
@Als I was wondering what I'd be doing on soap.com! I can't imagine anybody would still be using any of the pictures from my modeling career...apparently displaying a "before" picture that causes vomiting doesn't improve sales. :-)
 
Als
lulz
i edited it already
 
@Als I didn't think I'd be that hard to find on Facebook. I'm not sure, but I think facebook.com/jerry.coffin should get you there, for what little it may be worth.
 
0
Q: C++ Strategy pattern

w00teIn the past, I have seen the strategy pattern explained as a mechanism which allows the user of a function/class to provide their own functionality for that function/class. I had always been taught that the way to implement the pattern was by taking function pointers into your classes/functions ...

not a singleton for once
@JerryCoffin that's the only one Coffin I found on FB
lol
 
Als
6:34 PM
@JerryCoffin: uhm..Now i know that was just to make me feel "ahh....I didn't look hard enough"
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: I found a young dude named Jerry Coffin
 
Als
I will add teh @JerryCoffin er, springer
 
6:36 PM
@Als Honestly, no. I was just a bit puzzled at the notion that it'd be hard to find. The only difficult part seems to be sorting me out from a half dozen (or so) others.
 
this is gonna turn into a FB social gathering soon, lol
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: Atleast this way, I know i am adding sane people to my FB, otherwise i end up receiving a dozen or so anonymous requests, everytime i login
 
@TonyTheTiger Nah -- here we've at least had some sort of conversation with everybody we claim as a "friend".
 
Als
i login very less times there though, you can see my activity there ..practically none.
 
@Als hah lol, remember that sanity is no requirement to enter this room, so it's not a guarantuee
@JerryCoffin true that
 
Als
6:39 PM
@TonyTheTiger: I trust the regulars atleast
:)
 
hehe, yea I guess, but I wouldn't necessarily add them all too my FB.
I mostly like to add people on FB that I've met in IRL, though there are a few exceptions
 
@TonyTheTiger Whereas I saw an ad for fivers.com (or something like that) the other day showing a picture of a girl advertising that: "I'll be your friend on Facebook for five dollars."
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: You have zillion people in your FB already lol
 
@Als true, but I"ve met 95% of these people IRL
 
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A: C++ Strategy pattern

FredOverflowYou simply have to use inheritance in languages without function pointers (read: Java). Personally, I would prefer std::function over raw function pointers, because it accepts a wider range of arguments. Also, if you already know the strategy at compile-time, you can even use templates and thus ...

 
Als
6:41 PM
@TonyTheTiger: Impressive, pretty outgoing guy
 
@Als lol hahah, depends what you call outgoing
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: :) I didn't mention anything about women
and you are blushing already, you naughty tiger!
 
@TonyTheTiger You misspelled "IRC".
 
@FredOverflow lulz :)
 
hi
 
6:43 PM
@jalf Hello. How are you today?
 
@FredOverflow I've only added one person to my FB that I only met on IRC
 
Design Patterns give me an itch... they're just way too overrated.
 
@FredOverflow they give me a headache
 
Als
IRC = ?
I dont know in this context
 
@Als Internet Relay Chat
you know #freenode and all that
 
Als
6:44 PM
@TonyTheTiger: you meant something different when you said 95%
 
@TonyTheTiger free(node);
 
@JerryCoffin pretty good. Just went to a talk about what some of the .NET people at MS are up to. Tired and hungry now, and need to clean my apartment a bit, getting visitors tomorrow
 
@Als no, I meant exactly what I said :P
@FredOverflow damn you, do you really have to turn all statements into a C++ joke?
 
oh, and I got called out as the C++ guy. Someone in the audience asked something about C++, and the guy making the presentation went "you'd better ask Jesper over there that question" ;)
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: So you mean you added 95% of people you met on IRC, which is pretty much as good as chat?
 
6:46 PM
sadly I didn't actually hear what the question was
 
Als
I thought you meant, In Real Life something
 
@Als no I didn't mean that, I did mean IN REAL LIFE
 
Als
@jalf: What did you answer then?
 
@jalf Whereas in politics, it would be an advantage! :-)
 
@TonyTheTiger free(node); is more C than C++, isn't it? ;-)
 
6:48 PM
@Als just "huh?". They didn't really expect me to answer, since the question was pretty off topic. But fun nonetheless :)
 
Als
@jalf: ah okay, i read "oh, and I got called out as the C++ guy" as you were called there as an C++ guy..as in an expert on that matter
and so, the confusion
 
ah nah
 
Als
And now the fox @Xaade
 
The brain's memory is a hash table.
 
6:50 PM
just that when a C++ question popped up, he I thought I was probably the best qualified person in the room to answer it ;)
 
@jalf Decomposition. Jalf = J + alf = Java + alien = smart Java programmer = hate's Java = proficient C++ programmer
 
@Xaade That's a stretchy stretch.
 
That reminds me of something else I've noticed. During a Q&A session (etc.) take note when somebody starts an answer with something like "That's a great question". My observation is that when people start out that way, what follows never actually answers the question!
 
true
 
@JerryCoffin Also, if a sentence contains the word "synergy", the next sentence will probably be bullshit.
 
6:58 PM
For some reason it surprised me that the current C# compiler is written in C++
 
@jalf It's not that surprising.
 
I wonder if that's a bad thing. Somehow, I doubt that people rushing to work on managed code compilers are field experts in modern C++
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...not to mention, all the rest after (and before) that!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why? Of course they needed something else to bootstrap v1.0, but that was a long time ago. I'd kind of assumed that later versions had been written in a managed language
 
@jalf Well, why would they rewrite everything from scratch just to dogfood?
 
7:01 PM
@JerryCoffin using that word just lowers your cumulative worth as a human being by about 10%. Everything you say, have said and will say instantly becomes a not more worthless
 
@jalf They did that. By the time if finishes compiling itself, they're pretty sure processors will be fast enough to make it usable too...
 
@EtiennedeMartel ease of development, to accomodate the fact that, at least in the long term, the people who work on it will probably be better at C# than they are at C++, or just as a kind of status symbol, to show "hey, our language is good enough for us to write a compiler in"
@JerryCoffin heh
 
Are there other output streams besides cout?
 
@Moshe cerr.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I take that as a yes.
 
7:04 PM
@Moshe Still, it's a weird question.
 
@jalf I'm pretty sure the 10% loss theory must be wrong -- that would only asymptotically approach 0, whereas I've met at least a few people who used such crap enough to get into the negative range.
 
@EtiennedeMartel in C++ there's clog too, although it just outputs to stdout, iirc
 
@jalf Doesn't seem all that productive to me. Every time Eric Lippert talks about a missing feature in C#, it's because they did not have enough time, and now you want them to rewrite the whole compiler?
 
@jalf clog outputs to stderr, but it's guaranteed to be fully buffered (whereas cerr is only fully buffered if the run-time is certain stderr isn't "interactive").
 
@JerryCoffin other factors might apply as well. There's probably a correlation between saying "synergy" and doing other bad things. Also keep in mind that when counted over an entire life, people guilty of using it can rack up a pretty large use count
effectively bringing them to a big fat zero. Doesn't take much to go into negative from there
 
7:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Why?
 
@Moshe What are you trying to do?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't want them to do anything. I'd just kind of assumed that at some point in the last decade, they'd stopped writing new C# stuff in C++
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm taking C++ in school, and the book says "The statements starts with the name of the output stream cout"
 
@Moshe which statements?
 
@jalf Well, like I said, it's probably a large codebase. Legacy code is not that easy to throw out.
 
7:08 PM
A cout statement.
 
anyway, you can create as many output streams in C++ as you like. But there are a couple predefined ones, in addition to cout
 
@Moshe cout is the standard output stream. There are other output streams out there: cerr is the standard error stream, your system might have a bunch of non standard output streams, and you can always open new file streams.
 
@Moshe cout << "hello world" maybe ?
 
@jalf I find it a bit surprising as well. Usually getting the compiler to compile itself is one of the early bootstrapping steps, and considered a rather major milestone toward it being considered reasonably complete.
 
@kbok Yea, like that.
 
7:09 PM
@JerryCoffin yeah, exactly
they're working on it now though, as part of the Roslyn thing. Interesting to see how performance turns out :)
 
@JerryCoffin I made that exact comment in this room, only the response was negative.
 
@jalf Should be -- and despite my earlier (joking) comment, I'd actually expect performance to be quite reasonable; quite possibly better than the current compiler. Compilers are a place that garbage collection can be quite handy, so making a "copy" of an AST (for example) is really cheap.
 
@JerryCoffin yep, agreed. (Although I think some compilers just leak everything, because they know the process will terminate soon)
 
@Xaade That's a great comment! It really shows how these chat rooms really need tighter regulation to ensure ... :-)
 
which is of course the most efficient form of garbage collection ;)
 
7:16 PM
anybody knows does the Community Edition of Visual Paradigm for UML 8.2 Offers Code Generation ?
 
@jalf ...as long as you don't run so short of memory that it causes paging.
 
@JerryCoffin there is that :)
 
@JerryCoffin Most programmers run on BILLIONS of gigabytes of RAM.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Billions and billions!
 
@JerryCoffin but remember that for C/C++ compilers, a single translation unit is usually relatively limited in scope, and cheap to compile. The linker is where it gets tricky :)
 
7:19 PM
@jalf err extern symbol not found. No wait.... err extern symbol cannot be redefined.
 
@jalf Yup -- but then every once in a while, you run into (for example) a machine-generated file that's ridiculously long, and (more likely than not) has only a few scopes, so virtually every variable ends up in the same symbol table at the same time...
 
@JerryCoffin I was using your webservice yo! Thanks for the wsdl.
 
@Xaade Are you testing a spam generator that collects key words from posts, and generates random "sentences" from them, or did I miss something there?
 
@JerryCoffin No, I'm just making narrative comments that parallel your posts.
That's some @BinaryShit that you compiled. Linker went haywire. I don't miss include hell. That's one thing I like about C#.
 
@Xaade I think I prefer the spam generator explanation!
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7:34 PM
@JerryCoffin Hmm... have I solved world hunger?
 
@Xaade Apparently not -- I think I need to stop for lunch. Thanks for the reminder though.
 
8:08 PM
@Xaade There -- you can now claim you've helped reduce world hunger by one person (though I'm far too overweight for that to mean much).
 
8:30 PM
You've done a fine thing, but you probably don't need to work on your Nobel Peace prize acceptance speech just yet!
 
@JerryCoffin Meh, The Noble Peace Prize is for evil dictators these days.
 
8:49 PM
@Xaade Okay -- well, perhaps my history of overeating has saved you from being associated with evil dictators.
 
8:59 PM
woah it's gone dead in here
 

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