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12:01 PM
@BoltClock Eh... where are you going with this
 
@YiJiang Just wondering where you study and all. Nothing much. Since we happen to both live in Singapore.
@YiJiang: Also how'd you pick up web dev and what made you?
 
@BoltClock Web application development was actually a part of the curriculum this year for me
But even before that I had experience in working with CSS + HTML
As part of an research project actually
 
@YiJiang he was gonna call you baby-face-mcgee .. i know it
 
@AidenBell lol
 
If things carry on like this, we're going to have to implement a panic button :)
 
12:09 PM
I can also just flip the beta-switch, that'll sort it ;p
 
Good morning everyone
 
flag for we need an adult
Gah. I continue to fail at chat formatting
 
@MichaelMrozek Oy... I'm not that small
 
Hello @TheUnhandlexException
 
hi @josh
 
12:10 PM
Errm @Josh
 
right, still getting used to this
 
@Josh - you want:

The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)

Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
that room
 
I see @MarcGravell and @balpha had a nice surprise for me when I woke up this morning :-)
 
@AidenBell Hehe... you're trying too hard
 
@YiJiang - Im just unsubtle
@MichaelMrozek smae goes for you :P
 
12:15 PM
What did I do?
 
So, is the plan on here to create individual rooms for individual questions?
 
@Josh You already can, by appending chat. to the front of any question URL here on SO. At least that's how it works I think, not sure
 
In other words, I was going to migrate "The Roach Motel" from MSO chat, but, maybe that's too general for SO chat?
> Interactive help with bug testing, code review, anything that requires more interactive discussion/troubleshooting for a specific code issue than SO questions can provide.
@YiJiang Oh. I wasn't aware of that
 
@Josh Not sure if you can actually migrate entire chatrooms
 
Well does anyone feel there would be value in a general "help me get the bugs out" room, like I created at MSO chat?
@YiJiang Right. I'd recreate and post a message in the other that it's here now
 
12:17 PM
@Josh Well, individual language rooms are already created. Those might be more useful
 
@YiJiang Yes, I see
But are those more for "this language is great / sucks because...", or "I am having a problem with *x*"
I created The Roach Motel so back and forth troubleshooting would have it's own place to not bother others
Just trying to determine if people feel that sort of room has any value here
 
@Josh Drop into a room of a language you use, and see, I can't vouch for the stuff that goes on in 90% of the rooms here
 
Hi @Josh - just re-create it here and see if it flies, nothing to loose really :)
 
@PiersMyers Will do. Was just looking for any major objections first :-)
 
like that has stopped anyone in the past
 
12:21 PM
I like to be a bit more considerate than some :-)
 
@BoltClock If you're really interested, here's a site I built earlier this year: ricep.info/yijiang/iPic/default.html
Hello @rchern
 
Hmmm? The new-reply sound just played twice. I'm only in 1 room now and I only see one reply here.
 
allo
 
@BoltClock After editing, the person will be notified again. Like this.
 
@YiJiang Ahh, I get it.
 
12:26 PM
@rchern Welcome to the fray
 
@Josh Not much of a fray it is right now
 
why are there 2 general rooms?
 
@rchern :) ask @AidenBell
 
@rchern: As I said in the other room, we're supposed to be talking about military generals here although it's not happening.
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@BoltClock Begin the discussion than! :-)
For anyone interested I have recreated my room:

The Roach Motel

Interactive help with bug testing, code review, anything that ...
 
12:28 PM
@BoltClock +1
 
@Josh Why is that the title? Just wondering
 
I'm open to new titles :-)
It was suggested in MSO chat. It's a room where bugs come to die :-)
 
was there a month long naming process?
and then some kind of court?
and then was it all ignored?
 
ROFLMAO
No
 
then i don't think you had a valid naming process.
 
12:31 PM
There was a 5 minute naming process where I chose the one I liked best ;-)
Seems valid enough to me
 
unacceptable.
 
@rchern "After two month, we have decided that this room will be called: FullyInteractiveDebuggin'HavenBugsDyingMotelCodeReviewUnicornPony "
 
sounds good.
 
Then two days later, we change it back to whatever it was before, right?
 
aye
 
12:33 PM
I suggest that general chat feedback is handled on MSO chat instead :/
but then I know I'll just use whatever chat feedback channel is closer to my mouse
 
I'm not sure how we can get away with just calling this room "General". It should be "General (Friday)", and be renamed every day
 
It should be General Atwood
 
General Atwood's Chicken.
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Haha
@MichaelMrozek We're not on MSO chat here! :-)
@badp I agree here
 
Let's make fun of the lamers in MSO chat. SO chat is clearly superior
 
12:36 PM
lmao
oh
 
... same room, lol.
 
@MichaelMrozek Must be the orange buttons
 
holdon
where am I
the orange needs to be stronger
 
What orange
 
really? the rooms are aliased?
 
12:37 PM

The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)

Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
 
I've decided to use bi-directional emoticons on here to make everyone happy (:)
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that's the safest place
 
There's a giant logo in the corner
 
oh nevermind.. @MichaelMrozek tricked me with his double-talk
 
@Fosco Recursion. The taverns connect to one another
Hence the name "Stack Overflow"
 
12:38 PM
@MichaelMrozek im just starting at the chat for your words, not looking at this so-called "logo"
@Fosco :S
 
It's funny, but the people here are the same people on MSO chat
 

The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)

Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
^^^^!
 
@YiJiang I made the opposite observation an hour ago
@AidenBell Maybe you haven't noticed, but we're already in the general room
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@MichaelMrozek - im pushing it hard
 
@MichaelMrozek And General Atwood is about to issue his battle commands
 
12:39 PM
Also, whoever flagged that ... bad!
lol
 
*clicks on blue badge* ... chat.so/admin/flagged? So I'm an admin, huh.
 
anyone not in
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5/the-so-tavern-general
smells
 
Any references to back this up ?
Not on wikipedia :D
 
@AidenBell So I would have to rip off my nose before I can go back in there.
@YiJiang Late reply, but that's definitely iP— er, epic. (Museo is kind of making me sick though, other than that I like it.)
 
@BoltClock What's wrong with Museo?
 
@YiJiang Nothing, I just find it really overused.
 
that's quite interesting.
 
Not saying you're one of the overusers or that it's not a good choice of font for that site though, it's just, I see it almost everywhere.
 
@BoltClock Sigh, well, with a budget of $0, there really isn't a lot of choice
 
@YiJiang Fair enough — I know how you feel.
 
12:47 PM
Well sadly SO chat launched on a day I am finishing everything up in preparation for taking next week off. I have a ton of things to do and my response times will be delayed... I'll be off and on throughout the day. @Josh me and don't feel offended if I don't reply quickly :-)
 
1:07 PM
@rchern Where are the oys and the backward smileys?
 
heh
 
@rchern Teach us the ways of the backwards smileys and oys. We walk in your path
 
(;
 
!yo
 
1:17 PM
@badp !!!ahahah
 
What's a regexp to distinguish between !yo and oy!?
 
:sdrawkcab:
 
@VinkoVrsalovic, that's only difficult if you're distinguishing between !yO and 0y! (;
 
@badp That's wrong, :sdrawkcab: will only distinguish between oy! and !yo (will you decide the punchline once and for all, please?)
 
1:20 PM
@YiJiang that should be re: Vinko
 
1:37 PM
d:p
 
@Fosco o:o
 
o.o
o_o
 
(^_^)
 
())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))...)...)
 
hey, @rchern, how do you like palyndromic smilies? :P
 
1:38 PM
>(^.^)>
 
Anyone ever play a game called "Rad Gravity"
 
'|-| |_| |-|'
@AidenBell Cut it with the Lisp, please
 
\:/
 
@VinkoVrsalovic that's a light sabre
 
@AidenBell In what section of the Multiverse?
 
1:40 PM
anyone have link to that SO jQuery parody (image)...? you know, "how to add numbers in javascript?": "there's a jQuery plugin for that", "a+b -> not enough jQuery"
 
@Jonik doxdesk blog
 
great, thanks
 
@Y
Stupid chat.. @YiJiang, is that for real?
 
@FilipEkberg two more letters please
 
1:44 PM
@FilipEkberg No, have a look at the related questions
 
@FilipEkberg read the Related questions and try again :)
 
@badp, I started writing @Y and then the name pops up and I automaticly thinks "ok if i Press enter it selectes the name", it sure didnt. :)
 
@FilipEkberg yeah, welcome to tab complete land :)
 
@FilipEkberg Yeah, you'll have to train yourself to use tab
Alternatively, just click the replay button beside each message
 
@YiJiang what exactly uses enter-complete?
VS?
 
1:46 PM
@badp jQuery autocomplete
 
SO uses tab complete too. I'm thinking tag entries.
 
@badp Arrow for up/down, enter to select
 
@YiJiang, Ohh tab! Nice :) I don't want to use my mouse, it's too far away.
 
@YiJiang again, is that VS? Sounds like stuff IntelliSense would do.
 
Visual Studio uses Enter-complete
 
1:48 PM
that explains :)
 
When it's C#, C++ but VB uses Tab-complete
;)
 
@badp Not sure, I thought a lot of autocomplete system uses it
 
because Unix shells only have tab-complete, so the confusion must have come from being used to something I haven't used.
 
@badp True, but up/down is still used for history
 
hooray for unix shells
 
1:49 PM
But @badp who uses tab on the web?
It's a synonyme for "take me somehere else on the site"
 
2:02 PM
@FilipEkberg you should take that to #Chat Feedback
 
@FilipEkberg enter also usually is a synonym for "submit this form"/"visit this link" :)
something has to give.
and tab-to-enter doesn't work well...
 
How am I suppose to get any work done when I just sit here chattin'..
 
@FilipEkberg trust me, it gets worse
 
@AidenBell, do tell.
 
I havn't slept in over 36 hours
 
I think, lost count
 
Because of this chat @AidenBell?
 
Na, but it didn't help
 
@badp, why 2 rooms for general chat?
 
2:16 PM
@rchern every chat site has its own
 
@rchern, different sites, meta / so
 
@rchern make up ye mind ... where are you
@FilipEkberg - She knows
:P
 
@AidenBell, then why the question about diff general rooms? :P
 
Chat is a hell. I read about it in SO blog, and now 2 or 3 hours i'm here exploring it's features ..
 
Nice. This might come in handy, even for work related questions, when IRC is blocked.
 
2:17 PM
gah, sorry, i missed the meta in that url and thought you were pointing to the tavern here.
 
@blueyed, irc blocked?!
What kind of companies block outgoing traffic?
 
my Uni filters everything not HTTP
 
@FilipEkberg Mine blocks facebook. Even though it has a page on there. No one can update it from within the office anymore.
 
"want to commit code remotely? need FTP? do it at home or get yourself a VPN."
 
@FilipEkberg IIRC IRC is not just outgoing.. at least there's ident (which might not be required though). Last time I've tried it was not possible.
 
2:19 PM
@badgerr, lol. I think I can do whatever I want @ work and IRC is a tool and so is SO. So if they block those, they block my productivity tools.
As long as I get things done, no one asks me what I do all day
 
@FilipEkberg I think it was because of the sheer amount of traffic going to facebook. The sysadmin saw it and assumed we weren't doing any work. To his credit, productivity has definitely increased since.
 
@badgerr, mhm well I am not one of those who play farmville or whatever it's called... ;)
Guess you gotta control people that can't control themselves
 
later
 
@FilipEkberg Nor am I, but I can't speak for others in the office. It is nice to know what's going on outside though, since I don't get to spend a lot of time there...
 
word.
They did block MSN / IRC back when I studied high school, so we just set up proxies. If they blocks stuff I use @ work probably do the same there then
My boss even asked me to add him on MSN ( probably so he can check up on me, so of course i didn't ).
 
2:23 PM
Hello
 
People have taken to accessing these things on their smartphones instead. There's no stopping the determined.
 
@Chacha102, no demotivators here ;)
 
@FilipEkberg Don't tempt me..
 
Bosses on personal contact platforms is probably a bad idea. Especially those that include "status updates"
 
@badgerr, Sure you can stop it, put your employees inside bunkers surrounded with lead
 
2:25 PM
Don't suggest that to my employer - They have been thinking about some renovation work around the office...
 
haha
Im off, have a nice weekend!
 
Enjoy
 
Cev
2:50 PM
x-posting from the other general chat: quick git question: how can I "git add" all modified *.c files in any directory?
 
@Cev I'm probably being stupid, but if you're "adding" files, then surely git wouldn't know about modifications at that point?
 
You can just git add dir/*.c; it won't add unchanged files (since that doesn't make sense)
(It will add untracked *.c files though, if that's a problem)
 
 
1 hour later…
4:19 PM
where is all the fun?
 
Cev
@MichaelMrozek How can I do that recursively though?
@badgerr Git does know about the modifications, but they are unstaged, and I need to stage them.
 
4:37 PM
'echo "hello world" '
bold text
 
Use backticks for code, `
echo "hello world"
 
'some code'
'hello world
'<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
 
You should go to the sandbox room to test
 
show me
 

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
4:39 PM
chat.stackoverflow.com is not made with HTML5
 
@mahen23 So?
 
what is the difference between the SO tavern and this General room?
Yi
@yi
 
@mahen23 Both General rooms - the Tavern was opened after the General room was
Use @YiJiang. You can tab to select the autocomplete options, or click on the reply button on the right of each message
 
@YiJiang am just sayin
 
There are too many general rooms =\ I don't know which one to hang out in.
 
4:45 PM
@Fosco /blame @AidenBell
 
@mahen23 with HTML5 being pretty much a superset of HTML 4, and the chat actually using some HTML5 only features, what makes you say that?
 
please do not get on me
am just sayin
[This is my favorite article on Wikipedia] (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox)
 
Hm, didn't work?
 
yeah, wanted to do that in sandbox, sorry about that
 
this is cool but will it help beyond wasting some more time on SO
 
4:50 PM
@mahen23 You can drop Wikipedia links on it's own line to form a little box containing a summary of the WIkipedia article
 
5:11 PM
i say that a reputation points of 20 is too low
you get children like me messing around in the room
try at least 100
 
@mahen23 I think that's far too high
50 is probably the most I would see as acceptable. I'm not sure I see the issue with 20
Then again maybe SO chat will change that. But for new users, I don't want to see them penalized too much
 
i am working on a perl script that will automatically thumb up a comment on youtube
anyone want it?
so a comment can get like 100+ thumbs up
 
mahen23: You don't need to be registered to thumbs up a comment?
 
@OllieSaunders there are so many users on youtube, that i can technically just bruteforce my way
 
Huh?
You brute force guess passwords?
 
5:22 PM
no, cookie ids
 
heheh
 
youtube does not check for logins on thumbs ups, so i just generate cookie ids and seems to works so far
 
I think someone should inform YouTube of your shenanigans.
 
that and the use of Adobe's icons for a gravitar could end you up in jail :)
 
Yeah it's a well known fact that Adobe are very protective of their icons.
The icon mothers will come after you.
 
5:25 PM
can we talk piracy here?
like the fact that i run a cracked version of CS5?
 
I have the Adobe lawyers on the line for you ...
 
mahen2: Do yourself a favor. If you're going to break the law don't openly tell people you don't know on the Internet about it.
 
i am in a place you people do not even know exist...
/me jokes
am getting too much attention, am out of here
 
lol
 
@rchern drowning?
 
5:30 PM
teehee
 
(:)
 
o:
 
6
Q: What would happen if I violate GPL?

Tim ChanWhat if I hide the GPL code inside an application, if someone finds out, what would happen to me? Edit: Now, I know I could be put to the court. I'll convince a friend to register and distribute using his name. I will try to prepare by erasing any evidence I am the actual developer should someo...

@OllieSaunders I, for one, have no problem with people are making themselves that much easier to catch.
 
you violate the GPL and you could go to jail where you will be violated by a Giant P... Lover
 
GPL goes too far. LGPL FTW.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:05 PM
Why not BSD then, @OllieSaunders?
 
I am getting sick and tired of a**holes like Stefan Kendall who come to old resolved questions and comment on my accepted answers telling me how terrible the code is. If it was so terrible, why is it up-voted ten times and accepted at the answer?!
 
Because the world is filled with incompetents
Ugh, in my new place we have mosquitoes 3 inches long
 
@VinkoVrsalovic sure it's not a crane fly?
 
It looks very much like that
I hadn't seen those before
 
they won't suck your blood, just fly around to annoy you.
 
7:12 PM
yes, read the wikipedia article already :)
 
As a kid we used to 'convert' them into spiders (ie remove the wings)
 
Into 6 legged spiders
you monsters, you should've removed the wings, adding them as legs
 
 
1 hour later…
8:14 PM
> The last message was posted 1 hour ago
Really? Looks like The tavern is beating this room out :-)
 
i don't care which one, but having 2 rooms for general chat is confusing
 
@rchern I agree!
My vote is, we already have a Tavern, keep this room an shut the SO Tavern down
 
well, this one is the official one. not that it matters
 
But, it looks like I'm being denied
 
@balpha, close the other room as a dupe (:
 
8:21 PM
To be fair, The Tavern here got both @JonSkeet and @JoelSpolsky
(even though they didn't say anything, I don't think)
 
@balpha, do you pronounce your display name as bee-alpha, or balpha?
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I tend to not pronounce it. Mainly because I don't know how.
 
>_<
 
but it is a contraction of B.Alpha
 
I think the gravatar gave that one away
 
8:34 PM
(;
 
8:55 PM
@balpha In my head I pronounce it BAL-fah
And saying that apparently broke chat
gulp is it safe yet?
 
hehe
 
That kicked like 1/3 of the users off, lol
 
the mission clearly failed though.
you're still here
(;
 
9:12 PM
Hey!
:-)
 
hehe
 
9:47 PM
man it got quiet!
 
Sup!
 
Hey @mercutio. How are you?
 
10:02 PM
Very well! Chilling with a beverage on a peaceful night :)
 
10:15 PM
<script>alert('xss');</script>
lol,, thought i'd try
 
@GurdasNijor It was a nice try. No really. Very nice... :-)
 
10:43 PM
oy
 
yay for so chat!
 
hi everyone
 
Hey @phoenix24
/me cheers for SO chat
 
11:49 PM
this is good, this is really good!!
 
@Slartibartfast isn't it?
I'm off. Later everyone!
Bah, I decide to leave just as @Joel arrives
Before I go let me again complement you guys on a great job with chat (and everything else) @Joel!
 
thanks!
i deserve very little credit.
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@Joel, here, have some bigger credit. <h2>credit</h2>
 
@JoelSpolsky Can we roll that edit back? ;-)
@rchern c'mon, @JoelSpolsky deserves at least an <h2.5>!
 
if you have enough rep you can
 
11:54 PM
@Josh, oy.
 
I don't. And I've made @rchern say "oy" again. Two good signs I should get packing. Literally :-)
Later everyone!
 
haha
 
lol I like the unnecessary user icon that floats into the room
 
that was so that the transcript wasn't littered with "x entered, Y left, Y entered, X left" but you still noticed arrivals and departures
 

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