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Laz
12:16 AM
what room would i ask ood questions in?
object-oriented-design sorry
 
wil
i'm really excited to be here
Is anyone here ?
 
hi
@wil, look at the list of users upper right. the longer it has been since a user has spoken, the more grayed out the gravatar becomes
 
TSS
I've been looking for a dev chat for years... finally!
 
Hmmm... this is quite handy..
 
12:48 AM
@MichaelMrozek, i have starring via keyboard working ^__^
 
wil
Informal greetings.
 
@rchern Really... Hmmm.... How do you select which message to star?
 
this morning i wrote a user script that shows the message id on each line on the right (where the timestamps go) so that i could do explicit replies without the mouse
so i use the message id
 
@rchern Could get kind of messy, when the message id reaches 8 digits ;)
 
hehe
got an alternative?
 
1:00 AM
@rchern Up/Down for moving through messages?
 
up is bound to editing
 
Trigger the rollover state for that
@rchern Override it.. it's not that useful anyway
Or just use w and s gaming controls instead
 
i don't want to hit up 25 times to get to a message at the top of my screen
 
Interesting. Like crossing twitter & stackoverflow
 
@rchern Should be fast enough if you hold down up for long enough, although it'll be less precise
Also, when are you releasing it on Meta?
 
1:03 AM
I guess I could use this to shamelessly promote my tech podcast... or is that a bad idea ;)
 
@JustinVincent Go on :) Shameless plugging is okay as long as you mark it as shameless plugging ;)
 
Hmm I don't think so you guys will report me for being bad
;)
 
@YiJiang, hrmmmm still seems like just keying in the id is faster
 
techzing
Any solo devs / entrepreneurs in here?
 
@rchern Well, if you use keyboard for up/down message focusing you can actually replace most of the mouse interactions
 
1:05 AM
Give us a link to stuff your building online. I love seeing what folks are up to
 
Oh my, this is more like Wave than I thought
 
@YiJiang, ok, let's say i've hit up several times and there's a "current" message. How do I star? Quote? Flag? Etc?
 
@altCognito Not enough keyboard shortcuts ;)
 
Oddly, as much as I like Google, I trust Joel to get it right slowly but surely
 
@altCognito Interesting observation
 
1:08 AM
@rchern Hmmm... maybe like WMD, use control + ? for those
 
@YiJiang working on it
 
The only thing I would say is... don't we already have IRC for this exact same purpose?
 
Or just s for star, f for flag etc
 
Justin, there was a blog post on that somewhere.....
 
I mean IRC is usualy where the techies hang out waiting to answer shit, right?
 
1:09 AM
@YiJiang, my current star implementation is /star id and ctrl+m to interpret it as a command
 
Justin, it also has all those funky bots which makes things nice
 
I'm eating these tortilla chips and dip. I don't know what the dip is. It's from a mexican restaurant, it's white with flecks of color in it, and is very spicy. How can I figure out what it is?
 
@YiJiang, so then i'd have /quote id and ctrl+m
 
We're going to be writing all of our bots as greasemonkey/chrome extensions now
 
No doubt about it this is an interesting chat execution
 
1:10 AM
@DanGrossman, cooking.stackexchange.com
i think it'd be on topic?
 
Isn't this the real-time stack exchange? I want a real-time answer!
 
hehehe
 
I have no idea what I'm eating but it's tasty.
 
@DanGrossman The answer is 42
 
Once I'm done eating it I won't be very interested
 
1:11 AM
it's probably a white cheese dip
 
@rchern Interesting... that's a pretty good method too
 
Sweet, I have enough rep to post images
 
if this were 2015 i'd post an image
but no, it's 2010, and getting an image of my dip from my phone into this chat requires too many steps
 
Hmm. I think you should be able to put a link directly to your website in the little popup there, rather than a stack overflow profile....
 
but not enough to kick - how much rep do I need to kick
I need to get working on that :)
/me I kid... I kid...
 
1:13 AM
@DanGrossman, tweet the image and link the pic url here (;
 
smart
 
I'm surprised this isn't busier
 
@YiJiang, so whaddya think?
 
"Connection error: failed to upload photo"
yep, still 2010 :(
 
well, blame your phone, not chat then
 
1:15 AM
@rchern Can you get the thing to hijack the send button's click handler so that we don't have to use an keyboard shortcut to activate the command?
 
i'm blaming the current state of technology
 
Should be better that way
 
how do you mean?
 
well that's not the actual pic
 
1:16 AM
How long until we get a live thread of all the questions?
 
but yeah, looks like queso blanco i think it's called
 
it's 2010, flickr thinks it's alright to hijack the right click context menu so you can't copy the image source url
 
@rchern Actually, scratch that, I don't think you can do that
 
That <em>is</em> on the irc channel already :)
 
@altCognito *is* ;) HTML isn't interpreted here
 
1:17 AM
i'm clearly upset with this year
 
the nice part is you'll actually be able to chit chat at the same time without all that muckity muck questions
markup vs. markdown in a showdown
 
@DanGrossman, imgur (:
 
I am glad HTML is not parsed
 
@YiJiang, i don't understand what you meant
 
<script type="kiddie" src="highschool" />
 
1:18 AM
Alright, well, I'm far too verbose in this format
 
@rchern Well, the /star will go into the input box
 
Great job rchern and crew, good stuff
 
So instead of having to use crtl + m to run the command
Shouldn't it be better to just be able to hit enter and get it to run, as if the input box accepted IRC commands
 
@altCognito, i had nothing to do with building chat. credit goes to @MarcGravell and @balpha
@YiJiang, oh i see
 
So (hehe) /kick @rchern
But of course to do that, you'd have to find a way to have your event handler run first, then prevent their event handler from running if needed
And I'm not sure if you can do that
 
1:21 AM
Testing the italic, bold and code markdown. This is a link
 
@DanGrossman Please, do that in the Sandbox room. Thanks
 
What discussion is general enough for general discussion?
Nobody is really saying anything
 
Oh my, 4 years using this computer and blue screened for the very first time! Was it chat.stackoverflow.com? :)
 
kittens
 
@DanGrossman That's like sort of the point, right ;)
 
1:23 AM
I would love a kitten, but then my friend whose dad is allergic to cats would stop coming over
 
@DanielMelo Have some BSOD screensaver so that you can experience it more often technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897558.aspx
 
@DanG
 
hey guys!
I have a problem!
 
@ElijahW 'ello
 
@Diadistis Yes?
 
1:25 AM
does anyone know any examples of instant message framework?
I
've been looking EVERYWHERE
 
for examples on google, nothing....
 
@DanGrossman I was just trying @'s auto-complete :|
 
@Dan is that the instant message framework included?
 
Interesting I see reports of BSOD after the last patchy Tuesday
 
1:27 AM
That's the library that many popular instant message programs, including the Meebo web application, use for their core functionality. You only have to write the user interface on top of it.
 
ok
perfect!
thanks!!
 
this chat thing is awesome btw :D
 
Deleting messages retroactively is not very chat like
 
@DanGrossman It's nice to have, and editing is awesome too
 
1:28 AM
hehe
 
BTW...how do I download pigen?
this is probably really stupid, but it's not clear
I'm on fink
but no download link.....
 
@ElijahW Pidgin: pidgin.im
 
sorry :D spelling :D
yes, but when I click on it, it goes to fink
and I can't figure out how to download
 
ok well if any of you folks fancy hearing an interesting tech podcast feel free to check out techzinglive.com/about
 
1:30 AM
I wish this site had its own logins... I have accounts on all of those dozens of ways you can log in here, so I have to remember which I used the first time to keep my rep.
 
ok got it!
 
@DanGrossman I think that's in the works
 
this is neeto
 
I am not a fan of OpenID for whatever reason... logging in with a URL just feels wrong
 
@DanGrossman Not exactly what you want, but...
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Q: StackExchange™ ChronoWarping ChatCombinator™

wafflesAs chat has grown in its awesomeness I find that I would like to participate in multiple chat rooms across multiple sites. For example I would like to be in a few StackOverflow rooms and few Meta rooms. However, I don't want to have to open a gazzilion pages to participate. Are there any pl...

 
1:31 AM
In 2015, every device will simply know who's using it
 
@DanGrossman And I'll cut off your thumb to get access to your credit card ;)
 
@DanGrossman And will be melded to your mind...
 
Now I wish my new laptop had a fingerprint reader.
I was perfectly happy with it right before this moment
My happiness score has decreased by 1
I shall update my blog
 
@DanGrossman, use a custom openid on your own domain that points to wherever you want. then you just have to remember your domain (:
 
@DanGrossman You're just paranoid
 
1:34 AM
Later
 
bye justin
 
hmm
 
What to do first.... 2 days of typing things into QuickBooks to update my books? Reboot into Ubuntu to work on a payment fraud analysis service in Rails? Or back to writing modules for node.js so it actually has the minimum functionality I need to do something interesting with it?
Or I could spend the night trapped by the allure of real-time chat on stack overflow
 
@DanGrossman This ;)
But seriously, fraud detection sounds quite interesting. What are you doing for that?
 
Well, I have two things going on there. First is assigning risk scores to ecommerce orders based on things like IP-location vs billing address distance, BIN info from the credit card #, open proxy detection, etc.
The second is placing automated order verification phone calls to customers during the ordering process, which establishes a real connection between the person placing hte order and something offline, making it unlikely for fraudsters to go through with it
I need to figure out how to best do that in a way others can integrate into their checkout process... I could just offer a simple API, or I could try to make some kind of widget to drop into a page like recaptcha that places a phone call instead of having you decipher a word
 
1:41 AM
Agree, fraud detection sounds really interesting. The only time my CC has ever been declined was when I ordered stuff for a coworker traveling from another country, buying stuff he couldn't get cheaply there. Good thinking there, American Express.
 
I've had a lot of problems with payment fraud on my own sites in the past, so I developed a lot of systems to deal with it out of necessity, eventually I'd like to turn those systems into products others can use
 
@YiJiang, they are binding to the enter key in jQuery. hrm.
and by the time i'm getting the event, the text has already been submitted
 
Hello @Whatwhat Inthebutt
 
Hello lovebirds.
 
@rchern Ah well.. always worth trying I suppose
 
1:45 AM
I once accidentally placed 800 phone calls in under 10 minutes to a friend's cell phone when playing with the Twilio API. Kinda bad.
 
I think there was a recent question on how to reorder event handler execution order
I'll see if that might help
 
quick question
does anyone know the facebook api?
 
Never used it, hear too many bad stories about undocumented changes happening all the time
 
ohhh wow :D
ok
nevermind then
 
hmm
@YiJiang, maybe a modifier key?
 
1:53 AM
@rchern Shift + Enter is already taken, so might as well stick with crtl + m for now
 
hm
 
Right about now I wish I still lived in Philly. I could easily get some cookies or cupcakes delivered in the middle of the night.
 
hehe
sounds yummy
 
@DanGrossman Insomnia Cookies eh?
 
can't think of any place that would do that here
 
1:59 AM
Yea, Insomnia and like Cupmakes would deliver late night
I think cupmakes is gone anyway
Are you in the area?
 
@YiJiang, i can do shift+enter
 
@DanGrossman I may have gone to school around there, heh.
 
@rchern Isn't shift+enter reserved for new lines?
 
not really. it is just when shift is held with enter, it doesn't send and thus the default is to insert the new line.
 
Maybe it's not explicit but I know I expect the shift+enter behavior to provide newlines in other places
 
2:03 AM
@rchern Well yeah, but you don't want to remove the ability to write multiline messages
 
it would only remove the ability if the message contained a command
if a command didn't match then i wouldn't handle it
 
What are we seeking out key bindings for?
 
keyboard shortcuts for chat
 
Ah, gotcha.
 
I need help with frameworks for IM-ing
is there any framework other than pigion?
for IM-ing?
 
2:06 AM
pidgin is not a framework, it's an IM client
I sent you a link to the library pidgin (and many other IM clients) use
 
ohhh..that's why I'm having a hard time of this....
 
pidgin itself is not what you want
it's libpurple
 
what other FRAMEWORK's are there?
 
Why would a framework be specific to IMing?
That's not really a framework
 
well, I want to send and recieve IMs in my app
*receive
 
2:10 AM
IMs on what service?
 
a simple way of doing this :D
AIM
 
What language?
 
what language?
ohsnap
 
my app?
objective-c
 
2:11 AM
yeah
 
yep obj-c then :D
 
Well, Adium on OS X, Apollo on iPhone/iPod use libpurple
 
you could try libpurple
 
ok are libpurple examples?
 
2:12 AM
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Q: Getting started with libpurple

DanI'm writing a Cocoa Touch program that will (hopefully) use Libpurple as it's background. The only problem is that I have no clue where to get started. I've been looking through some source code of applications that do use it, but so far haven't gotten anywhere. Does anyone know anything that wi...

 
perfect! thanks!
this will be awesome!!!!
 
Ugh
SO keeps notifying me that I have an unread response, but when I click the notification it takes me to a page saying I can't view that date range (too old)
 
):
 
also, has anyone heard of aitools.org/Program_D?
and java experience?
 
oh god, you're making an ALICE bot?
I had one of those sitting in an IRC channel back in middle school, 11 years ago
 
2:15 AM
hahahahaha a gui for it, yes, but I need to run about 8 occurences of it at the same time
but there is a problem
because it remember's people based on their ip
but because I'm running all 8 on the same computer
if I say my name is josh in one
it says my name is josh in all of them
 
no comprende
 
does any one know how to mimic the ip address?
 
@El
@ElijahW: cookies, w/ session IDs?
 
cookies?
can you explain?
 
if he's running this through AIM there is no concept of cookies or sessions, it's not a web application
 
2:18 AM
oh. never mind then.
 
[Thinks: Do people really still write desktop software outside of enterprise?]
 
are you running an enterprise-developed browser?
 
[I know they do, but I can't help but think.]
The browser is the only exception that makes sense, since everything else runs in it
I wish I didn't have to fire up QuickBooks to do my accounting
 
I'm moving away from running an email app locally. I have... lessee... iTunes, Visual Studio, my password app, and a cool SimpleNote client.
I still have much love for desktop apps
 
QuickBooks looks and feels like they took the software from 2000, and bolted some new UI features on it each year since then. But Windows ME-style close buttons and window titles are still there.
 
2:21 AM
wow, what is the point of this
isn't freenode enough
 
IRC is scary
it's full of egotistical opers that want to kline you for moaning about their latest netsplit
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at least i can access it from my shell
 
@Dan: two words there that went over my head.
 
IRC terminology
 
@MichaelPetrotta, what password app?
 
2:24 AM
@DanGrossman test
 
@rchern: KeePass. Not bad. Use Dropbox to sync password files.
 
Does anyone else fear what will happen to the world when a powerful solar flare knocks the electric grid offline and corrupts hard drives worldwide? How much of modern civilization will we pick back up after losing computers for a while? When your local grocery store gets its fruit from another continent, what will we eat when the deliveries stop coming?
 
best not to think about it.
 
@DanGrossman ummm
 
All my skills are electronic. I'll be the first against the wall.
 
2:26 AM
There is only a single facility in the entire US capable of building high voltage transformers. We'll need several years worth of its production capacity to replace the ones that would blow due to a solar incident.
Kinda like how we'd love to build some nuclear power plants, but since nobody's been building 'em in this country since the '70s, you have to get the specialized parts built in China and shipped over.
 
@Dan: what's the risk of a significant number of transformers going kablooie for any given event? Solar flare, 1 nuke, 10 nukes, espionage, etc.
 
Man, I'm kind of a whack job tonight.
@Michael A coronal mass ejection from the sun would melt hundreds of transformers in just minutes
 
i'm being oddly productive tonight (:
 
^ Baker, Daniel N., et al. (2008). Severe Space Weather Events – Understanding Societal and Economic Impacts: A Workshop Report. National Academies Press. p. 77. ISBN 978-0-309-12769-1. "These assessments indicate that severe geomagnetic storms pose a risk for long-term
 
@Dan: what's the chance of an event of that magnitude happening, per year? what else would it do (besides to transformers)?
 
2:32 AM
@rchern can't say the same... i've been watching fringe the past few hours :P
 
I don't know. But the most recent major CME was just 2 months ago. There was enough charge particle hitting the magnetic field that you could see auroras in parts of North America on Aug 4th.
Not strong enough to damage anything, though
A coronal mass ejection (CME) is a massive burst of solar wind, other light isotope plasma, and magnetic fields rising above the solar corona or being released into space. Coronal mass ejections are often associated with other forms of solar activity, most notably solar flares, but a causal relationship has not been established. Most ejections originate from active regions on Sun's surface, such as groupings of sunspots associated with frequent flares. CMEs occur during both the solar maxima and the solar minima of sun activity, albeit with decreased frequency during the minima. Descri...
that wasn't helpful, I linked to a specific part of that article, and SO turned it into a description from the top
 
there's a beautiful timelapse image in that article
 
@Diadistis watched it last night (:
 
looks like the title sequence for Dr. Who.
 
This is the famous storm of March 13, 1989 which caused a transformer failure on one of the main power transmission lines in the HydroQuebec system precipitated a catastrophic collapse of the entire power grid. 6 million people lost electrical power for 9 or more hours.
If this were TinyChat, we'd all be able to stare at each other staring at our computers while not talking
 
2:40 AM
@DanGrossman Add that as a feature request ;)
 
We have received a great deal of feedback recently about things we should do to improve Facebook Platform. The themes are clear: “fix the bugs,” “update the documentation,” “talk to us more,” and “make things more reliable.” We are listening, and this post outlines some of the things we are doing to address your concerns.
http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/417
 
I'd be able to catch people loling when THEY'RE NOT LAUGHING OUT LOUD
2
 
haha
 
@MichaelPetrotta OMGBBQWTF!? I'm totally not overreacting!!1!
 
that was my fault, I typed in caps and started this
 
2:42 AM
wattvision.com Ooh, I want this
 
@DanGrossman I don't know, I mean, why would you want to be able to tweet your current energy consumption?
 
I just want to see how it changes when I turn things on and off
and set up alerts
 
Great night to write some code. Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend so far.
 
indeed
 
The new chat feature for some reason reminds me of twitter without the 140 character limit.
 
2:55 AM
@Michael is thinking hard about another cup of tea.
 
@MichaelPetrotta And no tea!
 
not half bad
 
3:17 AM
@KyleB it's not really a feature... it's more of a full scale webapp
 
@KyleB If you want to I can always whip up a greasemonkey limiting all your messages to 140 char ;)
 
@YiJiang haha, yeah just for fun that might be kind of amusing. Maybe I'll release it on Google Code :)
 
3:41 AM
Can anyone here help me? I was going to post a question to Meta, but apparently my rep from the Parent hasn't carried over for some reason.
 
@Iszi I think association has been turned off due to server migration
You'll have to wait a while then try it again
 
Ah, so it's just brilliant timing on my part.
Oddly though, when I created an account on the Parent, it automatically associated to my RPG site account.
 
@Iszi Not sure, there's a reassociate button which you can try
 
Haven't seen that. Point me?
 
@Iszi http://stackoverflow.com/users/(youruserid)?tab=accounts
Clear the associations, then reassociate on each of the sites
 
3:48 AM
Just checked the accounts screen for Meta. Associations are indeed disabled at the moment. Do you know the estimated completion time for migration?
 
@Iszi No, you'd have to ask the mods
 
kthx
 
Let me see if there's a MSO question about it
@Iszi It's a little hard, because searching for server migration doesn't really work
You can try asking the question on MSO and see if anyone will close it as a dupe
 
don't.
 
?
 
3:52 AM
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A: Cannot associate meta.stackoverflow with other sites and inbox missing on meta

Kevin MontroseThis is (temporarily!) by-design. We've basically split the data center in two, with Meta serving as our canary for the eventual migration of all remaining sites. Accordingly, alot of the "cross site" features have been turned off (like Inbox) or don't really work (like associations).

 
@rchern Thanks
 
Thanks. No ECD though?
 
@Iszi What's ECD?
 
Estimated completion date, I imagine.
 
aye
 
3:58 AM
i only know what kevin has said there
 
kthx
 
4:30 AM
Holly crap..
> Hello? Pardon our dropping jaws, but is Webvention suggesting that it owns rollover online pictures with embedded hyperlinks?
 
4:46 AM
Yes, they are, and they are enforcin3g it through a patent filed in 1990 and issued in 1993. Perhaps I'm stupid, but isn't that patent already expired?
It's more than 20 years from the filing date and 17 from the issue date, which were the limits as I recall
 
5:16 AM
Even in the middle of the night on a Friday, I can't find unanswered questions on SO. It's hard to be helpful!
 
yep, not many php questions right now
@Dan:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3947777/wiki-wiki-configuration-for-collabrative-writing
 
That's probably gonna get moved to serverfault or one of the other sites, isn't it? It's about what to install, not programming help :/
 
5:39 AM
looks like a good fit for webmasters to me
 
6:39 AM
Yes, you're still in this chat room. beep
 
6:51 AM
sup
sup
what is probability?
 
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