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6:00 PM
@Xeo That's why it's a gold badge... you have to be lucky.
 
Also note my nearly leet rep.
 
Xeo
@Drise go downvote some answer
 
@Drise you need to downvote something.
 
Xeo
I can imagine the comment
> -1, need leet rep.
2
 
you can easily undo it after taking the screenshot.
that's what @JerryCoffin did to get from 133340 to 133337.
screenshot, then undo downvotes
 
6:03 PM
I'm going to do it legit, do two edits.
 
Xeo
Aw, I just noticed I only got 1 Guru badge
 
Oh tits. Who upvoted me lol.
 
Xeo
<-
Getting a nice number is a great reason to downvote something
 
denied
 
Xeo
Atleast for me, as I'm usually hesitant to downvote because it makes the rep look ugly :(
 
6:05 PM
@Xeo I like multiples of 5. I had a good streak of it going for a while.
 
Xeo
That's where I am now
 
22
Q: Is it possible to read infinity or NaN values using input streams?

DriseI have some input to be read by a input filestream (for example): -365.269511 -0.356123 -Inf 0.000000 When I use std::ifstream mystream; to read from the file to some double d1 = -1, d2 = -1, d3 = -1, d4 = -1; (assume mystream has already been opened and the file is valid), mystream >&...

3 votes. So close!
 
I've had multiples of 5 since like March.
@Drise already upboated :(
 
@Mysticial You've had multiples of 200 for nearly a month now.
 
Xeo
@Drise close to what?
 
6:07 PM
@Mysticial aaaand it's gone
:))
 
@Xeo Nice Question, or whatever the badge
 
@LuchianGrigore what?
 
Xeo
Ah
 
Woah
@LuchianGrigore can speak?
 
oh come on... undo?
 
6:07 PM
:)
 
thx
 
jk
In fact I'm surprise I hadn't upvoted on that
I upvoted the question
 
ah, thx!
 
And read the answer like 10 times...
 
Xeo
Time for some mahjong~
 
6:09 PM
@Xeo Time for some vote on all the Drise things. Jk.
 
@LuchianGrigore it happens a lot with long answers - read all the way down, and forget to upvote. I don't even want to think about what could happen if everyone (who would've upvoted) actually did after reading the whole thing.
 
I'm just surprised that my pretty pictures of binary trees hasn't done better.
 
@Drise which?
 
9
A: What are the applications of binary trees?

DriseA binary tree is a tree data structure in which each node has at most two child nodes, usually distinguished as "left" and "right". Nodes with children are parent nodes, and child nodes may contain references to their parents. Outside the tree, there is often a reference to the "root" node (the a...

 
14
Q: Is this from an actual episode of ST:TNG?

Beofett Is this an actual, unaltered (aside from the text!) screenshot from a ST:TNG episode (or movie)? What is the explanation for Troi's face?

lol
 
6:11 PM
@Drise they are good pictures, but they're too big
 
It's an old question. Old questions can't make the multicollider. So the only way to get attention is basically - reddit.
 
@MooingDuck Too much zoom? I cut down two of them yesterday.
 
Good old reddit.
 
Don't laugh
 
@Drise oh, so you did, nevermind then
 
6:12 PM
How do I change screen saver settings in Win7?
 
@LuchianGrigore Right click, personalize
 
But reddit is very picky... so don't think that you can just dump anything there and expect to get a ton of votes.
 
Reddit is way more tolerant than SO though.
 
nevermind
 
@StackedCrooked They like different things.
 
6:13 PM
it's disabled
 
Reddit likes the two extremes: extremely technical, or extremely funny
but too technical is bad because not enough people will understand it
If you compare the loop question with the branch-predictor question, you'll see that the loop question has 100k views to the branch-predictor's 68k views.
Yet there's a massive difference in votes.
That's because one is a lot easier to understand than the other.
 
what loop q?
 
Most of us have seen it:
509
Q: Why is one loop so much slower than two loops?

Johannes GererSuppose a1, b1, c1, and d1 point to heap memory and my numerical code has the following core loop. const int n=100000 for(int j=0;j<n;j++){ a1[j] += b1[j]; c1[j] += d1[j]; } This loop is executed 10,000 times via another outer for loop. To speed it up, I changed the code to: for(i...

100k views... is insane
 
My first nice answer badge! wo!
 
6:20 PM
for what a?
 
And somehow I have gotten a combination of points to get me to 1350
 
@FredOverflow the binary tree thing. I gave him that 10th vote.
 
Yay for %5.
@Mysticial Much thanks :D
 
@Mysticial what is that "add/multiply interleaving stuff" you are talking about in your flops question?
 
Under "badges", can I see what q/a I got that badge(s) for?
 
6:22 PM
@bamboon Can you clarify?
like what the instructions are?
 
@Mysticial yeap, wait a sec
"interleaving of multiplies and adds..." from here stackoverflow.com/questions/8389648/…
line 4
of you answer
 
        r0 = _mm_mul_pd(r0,rC);
        r1 = _mm_add_pd(r1,rD);
        r2 = _mm_mul_pd(r2,rE);
        r3 = _mm_sub_pd(r3,rF);
        r4 = _mm_mul_pd(r4,rC);
        r5 = _mm_add_pd(r5,rD);
        r6 = _mm_mul_pd(r6,rE);
        r7 = _mm_sub_pd(r7,rF);
        r8 = _mm_mul_pd(r8,rC);
        r9 = _mm_add_pd(r9,rD);
        rA = _mm_mul_pd(rA,rE);
        rB = _mm_sub_pd(rB,rF);
Those are interleaved.
adds and subtracts are the same
 
@bamboon processor can do an add and multiply at the same time. If you have a bunch of adds in a row, they all have to wait for the adder to be free. but if you alternate, it can do an add and multiply at the same time. (ish)
 
ah ok
 
They don't have to be exactly interleaved. That's because the CPU is able to reorder instructions within a small window. But it doesn't hurt to help the processor a bit.
 
6:26 PM
@bamboon that was a very simplified explanation btw, the details are more complex than quantum physics. And top secret
 
@bamboon I actually have an updated version of that code with FMA for Bulldozer. I might update that answer to include it in the future.
But I'll probably wait until Intel FMA is out as well so I can merge them into the same edit.
 
@Mysticial that's gonna take a while
 
@bamboon yeah I know...
 
I found mooing duck!
 
is there a way to get integers with guaranteed exact widths other than <cstdint>?
as in, something more c++-ish? Or is <cstdint> good?
 
6:33 PM
@KeithLayne Does it really need to be more complicated than int32_t?
 
I'm not sure what you mean...as in, why isn't that good enough for me?
 
oh, on wikipedia it says that haswell is gonna have 128byte cachelines, no source though
 
I can't imagine trying to do something like std::fixed_int<32> instead of int32_t.
 
neither can I.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm not hard to find?
 
6:34 PM
@Mysticial I just wanted to make sure that was good to use. As opposed to other stuff sucked in from C.
was cstdint nonstandard before c++11?
 
hi all, is there a party??
 
this is not facebook
 
this
is
SPARTAAAA!!!!!
 
Sorry...I've interrupted a discussion
 
@KeithLayne I believe it was standard
 
6:39 PM
:P
 
@A_nto2 I'm not sure when the party is, or who it's for
 
cppreference says "since c++11"
for jalf
I'm confused by that
 
yesterday, by jalf
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: You're all invited to my 100k rep party! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [fun]
 
Hey, do all the std headers like <cwhatever> put the C headers in std namespace? Or not? Or both?
 
I believe the party was then
@KeithLayne sometimes :(
 
6:41 PM
yeah, that's not locked down by the standard, right?
 
@KeithLayne doublechecking
 
@MooingDuck too bad, I was ready with my hawaian shirt
 
C++11 explicitely references C99, but says to look for the latest standard document.
But in the case of MSVC, you can only count on C89.
So just look at your platform's C library, and any decent C++ implementation will pull everything it can into namespace std
 
...when the next? :D
 
Xeo
@KeithLayne the identifiers are available in std::, but can be available on the outside :/
 
6:43 PM
Okay, thanks guys.
@rubenvb That sounds wishy-washy.
Or maybe I read that wrong.
 
@KeithLayne it's a "normative reference".
The following referenced documents are indispensable for the application of this document. For dated references, only the edition cited applies. For undated references, the latest edition of the referenced document (including any amendments) applies
 
I'm deluded a little...I wish I could have a star to resume...who wants? :))))
 
@MooingDuck actually, you're quite common :P
 
So it would be C99 exactly in the case of C++11
So MSVC really is missing more than half of its C++ standard lib.
 
@rubenvb Sounds like typical Microsoft.
 
6:48 PM
@IDWMaster Well, it's the CRT team really. And their msvcr*.dll naming scheme that fucks everything up.
 
They also pick-and-choose the parts of HTML/JavaScript to implement in their sucky IE.
 
@KeithLayne Except as noted... the contents of each header cname shall be the same as that of the corresponding header name.h, as specified in the C standard libraryor the C Unicode TR, as appropriate, as if by inclusion. In the C++ standard library, however, the declarations... are within namespace scope of the namespace std. It is unspecified whether these names are first declared within the global namespace scope and are then injected into namespace std by explicit using-declarations.
 
Microsoft: "Ohh. We don't like the way they did it here; let's change it a bit..."
 
@IDWMaster Every browser picks parts of HTML5 to implement. IE 9 and 10 are pretty darn good though.
 
@rubenvb they are? I've never found the library lacking
 
6:50 PM
Screw library, they don't have vartemplates. MSVC is useless.
 
@CatPlusPlus Useless? Why's that?
 
@MooingDuck just try to use anything C99 like printf and vscanf or whatever.
 
NO VARTEMPLATES.
 
@rubenvb I have, and haven't noticed problems
 
@CatPlusPlus So?
 
6:52 PM
So useless.
 
@IDWMaster it makes a lot of things not work quite right. Allocators are a big one
 
@CatPlusPlus Which compiler for Windows would you prefer instead?
 
@IDWMaster gcc
 
It's relatively simple logic here, you should be able to follow it.
 
@MooingDuck What about 64-bit apps for Windows? Can GCC build those?
 
6:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus they don't even have char32_t
 
@MooingDuck Trust me there are a lot. Try HUGE_VAL for one (or was it INFINITY?)
 
@IDWMaster GCC until Clang works.
@IDWMaster Yes.
 
@IDWMaster I don't know, but it works on my machine
 
@CatPlusPlus Have you tried my Clang package? It works a lot better than my previous claim about Clang working.
 
I've finally figured it out: the tough economy hat cut down on Cat's funds, and he needs a catnip fix. That's why he's so grumpy all the time.
 
6:53 PM
Last I heard you were saying no exceptions.
 
@rubenvb does it produce runnable windows executables?
 
No, only walkable ones.
 
@MooingDuck yes. 32-bit only and they depend on libgcc and libstdc++ (for C++). Also: you can't catch exceptions from foreign code (=C++ code not compiled by you).
The basic dw2-gcc stuff.
I have no idea about type_traits and such.
That's why I asked if someone has tried it.
 
@CatPlusPlus What's a walkable executable?
 
@rubenvb I believe I had at home, and type_traits worked once I got my library headers straightened out. (I'd mixed them somehow on accident)
@IDWMaster sarcasm
 
6:56 PM
@MooingDuck oh I remember that mixup of yours :-).
 
Also; is there a cleaner syntax for this? IManagedInterface*(NetInit)() = (IManagedInterface*()())GetProcAddress(module,"InitializeNet");
 
@MooingDuck oh and they're missing tons of the math functions. At least in 2010.
 
@rubenvb hmm, I seem to have clang, I'll see if type traits works
@IDWMaster yes, with typedefs
 
1
Q: const array declaration in C++ header file

SledI have a class called AppSettings where I have an Array with a range of note frequencies. I'm getting several errors with the code below and I'm not sure what the problem is. The error messages are: static data member of type 'const float [36] must be initialized out of line A brace enclosed i...

 
Also rtti might be flaky, but I don't use that (actively) either.
 
6:58 PM
^ Me on a downvote spree. I had to answer it after that. Did I forget anything?
 
@MooingDuck Cleaner but perhaps not better if you have hundreds of different callback types.
 
@IDWMaster don't use callbacks.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf What does C++ doesn't support in-class definitions of complex data like arrays of constants mean?
 
Xeo
@IDWMaster auto_cast
 
:4704098 C++.
 
@rubenvb it means you cannot write what was called "stuctured constants" in Pascal. like the arary the OP wants.
 
6:59 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I would put the array in a specialization, and make generic form inherit from the specialization, to avoid accidentally duplicating the array.
 
@rubenvb Which I would do; if I knew for sure that the user had the .NET framework installed before calling the function. I need to use LoadLibrary and check the result, because the library will fail to load if .NET isn't installed
 
@MooingDuck huh, I didn't get that?
 
*(void **)(&NetInit) = GetProcAddress(module, "InitializeNet"); :v
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf constexpr.
 
Xeo
@Cheersandhth.-Alf C++11 allows it
 
7:00 PM
@rubenvb thanks!
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Damn need for evil casts
 
int main() {
   Frequencies_<void>::noteFrequency[1];
   Frequencies_<char>::noteFrequency[1];
   Frequencies_<int>::noteFrequency[1];
   Frequencies_<float>::noteFrequency[1];
}
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I believe he's right, if the type is constexpr, and primitives are.
 
0
A: const array declaration in C++ header file

rubenvbThis works just fine: class AppSettings{ public: static constexpr float noteFrequency[36] = { // C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B 130.81, 138.59, 146.83, 155.56, 164.81, 174.61, 185.00, 196.00, 207.65, 220.00, 223.08, 246.94, ...

 
@Xeo Wonders of C(++).
 
@MooingDuck C++11 is C++. I hate people trying to keep distinction.
Old compilers are just that: nonconformant.
 
No.
C++03 is C++, too.
 
hm, time to update answer, unless @rubenvb you want to answer?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf he did, but I don't like his answer. You should update yours
 
7:03 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I already did, see above ;-)
 
@rubenvb C++11 is the default C++, but many people still have to use C++03. If code only works on some people's machines, you should say which ones.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb The distinction is important until all compilers support the same stuff.
or mostly, anyways.
 
@rubenvb Did not know you could do that. Cool.
 
@MooingDuck Why does C++11 only work on some people's machines?
That's a new one to me.
 
@IDWMaster not machines but platforms. most windows programmers use visual c++. g++ can be used but fails to support some windows things. clang can't be used as it currently doesn't support exceptions on the windows platform.
 
7:11 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Ahhh. I see. Doesn't Visual C++ now support C++11?
 
What things?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Jesus effing christ, seriously? And here I was, considering using Clang for one of my projects
 
@IDWMaster it has partially supported C++11 since 2010.
 
(yes, I make heavy use of exceptions)
 
@IDWMaster No, it's terrible.
 
7:12 PM
@n2liquid it does exceptions now, but with limitations
 
@MooingDuck I'll look into it when I get home
 
@IDWMaster yes, they updated it. It's still not complete though. No compiler is complete.
 
thx
 
7:13 PM
@MooingDuck For what I use it for it works fine.
 
@CatPlusPlus i couldn't say because i've not used it extensively because of that. in previous versions it didn't support gdi+ (that's fixed now i think), and it even lacked some [windows.h] declarations (i had to add them manually, copy from microsoft).
it's also weak on generating and using DLLs with specified ordinal numbers
 
@IDWMaster actually, looking at my chart, MSVC has supported some C++11 features since Visual Studio 2005.
 
the old problem of no g++ support for wide streams in windows, has been fixed
but i don't know whether it was fixed completely
 
@MooingDuck They've never really advertised it much until now.
 
Wide streams are terrible.
Everything related to wstring is terrible.
Windows' "Unicode" is terrible.
 
7:16 PM
@IDWMaster they're still way behind everyone else
 
What the hell? Where did I loose 4 points?
 
@CatPlusPlus they're the standard way to get a conversion in between your output arguments and the final bytes (and vv for input)
 
Clang is only missing "inheriting constructors" and "attributes"
 
i think the g++ bug feast regarding universal characters in code, is still there
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf They're still terrible.
 
7:17 PM
I think Clang is like the Chrome of compilers |:
 
yes, i agree :-)
 
@n2liquid Memory hungry and full of horrible design decisions?
 
Only problem I'm aware is it produces code that's a little less speedy
@CatPlusPlus I was thinking quite the contrary, actually :P
 
really?
WTF is with some people?
 
@TonyTheLion lol
 
7:18 PM
Yahoo Answers is filled with idiots. Yes, we know that.
 
You ask stupid questions on Internet, you get troll answers.
 
@TonyTheLion Guess that would do the trick.
 
I just lost 4 points out of the blue. What the hell?
 
@CatPlusPlus this should be a lesson taught to everyone before they are first allowed on the internet
 
You got downvoted twice...
 
7:20 PM
@LuchianGrigore Yea, last night.
1 hour ago, by Drise
And somehow I have gotten a combination of points to get me to 1350
 2  11677558 (10)
 3  11677557 (-2)
 3  11677558 (-2)
 3  11677557 (-2)
 2  11677558 (10)
 2  10656280 (10)
 2  11512708 (10)
 16 11692438 (2)
 2  11420263 (5)
 16 11693190 (2)
 2  11677558 (10)
-- 2012-07-27 rep +53   = 1346
4 points just vanished. I mean, it's not a big deal, but.
 
@Drise Call the internet police.
 
@MooingDuck: i tried the variant you suggest, it produced multiple def error. but good idea. if it had worked.
 
@Drise four downvotes on questions that were deleted?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf oh, I thought template specializations had the same odr mojo. Guess not.
 
7:23 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Btw, you should remove your comment about the binary tree. It got merged.
-1 ungood "read the documentation or wikipedia" question — Cheers and hth. - Alf 18 hours ago
@MooingDuck Dunno. But I can't find any trace of it.
 
@Drise wait, what I said would give four points. dunno
@Drise deleted questions are hard to trace
 
how much till the day closes?
I mean rep-wise
....
 
@LuchianGrigore what?
 
UTC time 19:24
 
so.... 4:30 hours?
 
7:24 PM
It's on the activity tooltip, if you can't do timezones yourself.
Yes.
 
activity tooltip?
 
Hover mouse over your name in the top bar.
 
From a page I haven't refreshed.
 
oooo
nice, I never noticed that
thx
 
@Drise What's so interesting about that number?
 
7:28 PM
@n2liquid I had 1350. And now I have 1346, but no reason why.
 
%10 = 0
also
 
Also ^
 
%135 = 0
 
It happens. You can go on meta or forget about it.
 
you can trigger a rep recalc
 
7:28 PM
@Drise Ah
 
stackoverflow.com/reputation
 
Or force a recalc, but that's unlikely to change anything.
 
@LuchianGrigore Did already.
 
bottom of page
 
Since it's 4 points, nobody on meta will care, either.
So.
 
7:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus Yea... does this happen often?
 
No, but it happens.
 
new rule: All autogenerated files must say at the top the tool that generated them and the file(s) they were generated from.
 
Gold:
-1
Q: Open Website thru Notification

MaRsAI tried many ways to do this method but I can't! my issue is: I sent a notification from my website with link when I receive it I can open it only if I closed my application from background but I cant open the link when I open my application or when my app in background here is my code: - (vo...

Here is my code, please fix.
Jul 14 at 5:58, by Domagoj Pandža
Hello. C write I. Me no know English but good programmer very.
 
@Drise It's possible that you had two approved suggested edits on posts that were later deleted.
 
ballTouchType = BALLTOUCH_PUNCH;
hehe
 
7:31 PM
@Drise you're cranky the last few days
 
@Mysticial Possible.
Stressed. CS 307 Final Exam is scheduled for
Wednesday, August 1, 11:30 - 2:00

Click here for a detailed review.
CS 307 Third Exam is scheduled for Wednesday, July 30
(last day of class.)

CS 221 Final Exam is scheduled for
Wednesday, August 1, 6:30 - 9:00 PM
 
@Drise And what are 307/221?
 
OK, so I've got no IRL people to socialize with, guess I'll just socialize on here then
what you fellas chatting about?
 
CS 221

Programming in C++ - Data Structures

CS 307

Object Oriented Programming in C++
 
@Drise Ooh, fun. Exams are easy though, right? :P
 
7:37 PM
silence?
meh, exams
 
@MooingDuck But yes. I'm sorry about that. Also doesn't help:
20 hours ago, by Drise
@sehe Sorry. I'm not in the best mental state. My fiance just left for Germany. For a year.
 
@TonyTheLion Shh, we're hiding from the lions.
 
Exams are terrible.
 
@SamDeHaan you failed miserably then :P
 
@SamDeHaan Moderately. Prowling here helps with the C++
 
7:38 PM
man, I just sneezed epically
 
@Drise Yeah. Wish my university had taught any C++. Would have been nice.
 
@SamDeHaan Do you think they'd have taught you anything you didn't already know?
 
@SamDeHaan Probably better off that they didn't. All it did for me was give me bad habits.
 
@n2liquid Oh, definitely. I barely know any C++.
 
@SamDeHaan Oh, hm. Well, see @Drise's.
 
7:40 PM
@SamDeHaan Do you know how to program in some language?
 
debugging C++ code which is called from Java code is tricky :/
 
Learn Haskell.
 
@MooingDuck Ew
 
especially since I can't figure out how the Java code is callign the C++ code.
 
7:40 PM
Via JNI, duh.
 
@Drise Java, sadly. Quite a bit of C from school. Flex/JSP from work.
Sad to say the language I know the best is probably actionscript3/flex
 
@CatPlusPlus Consider changing your nickname to Haskell Cat, Monad Cat, or something. Functional Cat would be funny.
 
no
he's the incremented cat
 
@CatPlusPlus The java function native createAudioFile_p seems to be linked to the C++ createAudioFile_1p, and I'm trying to figure out how that link works when the names are different.
 
@TonyTheLion I know, that's awesome. But it seems to love Haskell.
 
7:42 PM
Converting to a base 3 string without *, /, +, -, % is left as an exercise to the reader. — Mysticial 27 secs ago
 
@n2liquid he loves Haskell, there's no seems about it
 
@TonyTheLion Well, true.
 
@SamDeHaan Then learning C++ won't be hard, especially since you listed C.
 
@MooingDuck Native methods on C++ side are called Java_<class>_<method>, it'd seem.
 
@MooingDuck the name of the Java function is declared in a java class. It doesn't have to be the same. IIRC.
 
7:44 PM
@Drise Yeah. I've extended a few projects in C++, just haven't done enough in it yet to feel like I reeeally know what I'm doing.
 
@CatPlusPlus the C++ side has a 1 in the middle of the name that the Java doesn't have, but yes, it also has the Java_<class>_ prefix.
 
@MooingDuck Well, does it have JNI signature?
Are you sure there's no _p one?
Maybe you're editing the wrong file again.
 
@SamDeHaan No one knows what they are really doing in C++. Some just guess better than others. :p
 
@CatPlusPlus there's no _p version
@CatPlusPlus I'm looking for other files that have the _p version, haven't found one yet. That's a real possibility here :(
 
grep -R?
 
7:46 PM
@Drise I figure if I ever have any real problems, I can just throw them at the lounge here and someone will ridicule me into more knowledge.
 
So to fix the AC, the electrician had to kill a computation that had been running for 6 days. I'm not sure if my co-worker is going to be happy he has AC, or angry that he lost 6 days of computations.
@SamDeHaan That's how I'd do it.
 
Ah, I found it.
 
@CatPlusPlus mockery of me?
 
_1 is just _ encoded.
 
@CatPlusPlus what?
 
god I must be bored, I'm reading youtube comments
 
Table 2-1 Unicode Character Translation
 
@CatPlusPlus wtf that's stupid
@CatPlusPlus thanks for the link, I'm going to read all of that. Be back... eventually
 
Ok, now someone is just fucking with my rep
 
@Drise I remember doing that to someone on meta once
 
7:50 PM
It's bouncing from 1352 to 1348 to 1346 to 1350.
 
@Drise Is there at least UPS?
 
Ell
is there a beautiful version of deadmg's website?
 
May 6 at 22:29, by Etienne de Martel
BREAKING NEWS: some people are idiots. More at 11.
I just laughted at this ^
 
@KeithLayne The server rack pulls 20A. The cost of UPS's is outrageous to support them for even 2 minutes.
 
@Drise why do you need 2 minutes for a shutdown?
 
7:54 PM
watching Olympics opening Live
starting in a few minutes
 
Ell
has anyone read over the wide specification? I don't understand the bit about variables
 
@KeithLayne 2 minutes to sustain the calculations. For the software we are using, you either finish, or you start over.
 

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