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1:00 PM
And I am bored too
 
@SinthiaV it was a rhetorical question, and I didn't ask you nothing..
 
@refp I bet you'd prefer a book that covers c++11 in a way that you'll gain insight, no?
 
the amount of sarcasm in my statement should have been close to 100%
 
Wow rude and ignorant
 
@sehe of course, but that's what the standard is for :)
 
1:01 PM
@refp fail then. My local reading was 78% only. But the relative humidity is high today
 
@sehe true that, I guess some of the sarcasm got stuck somewhere in the tubez connecting your Internet to mine
@SinthiaV I'm sorry for making you feel insulted, it's my way of writing when I'm reading a book which contains too much BS to make any C++ developer feel happy about it
 
@refp Oh. So you don't have any problems. In my opinion, the standard isn't for insight but for resolutions. Insight comes from experience, and it can help to read about other's experience.
@CheersAndHth book draft is a fine example of that IMO. Also 'Flaming Dangerzone' is along those lines
 
anyone have a strategy to port patches from one git repo to another that visually are very clear to apply but git apply and patch complain about?
 
Urf. I accidentally invalidated the flag :( Sorry
 
I really do not want to manually do all this patching
 
1:03 PM
@sehe of course I have problems, though I tend to spend time with the standard and forums where I can read about other problems, and learning by solving theirs (and my own)
@rubenvb let's start the flame war.. switch to hg!
 
@refp can't. Linux kernel, android etc...
I tried creating patches for the individual files, but it seems git's famous merge-fu is only enabled when... merging.
 
now I got to an example of an application which offers the user menu choices, and it's wrapped in a bool done = false; while (!done) { ... }, shouldn't a book with a title such as professional c++ at least use a do { } while (...)?
 
this really sucks. I can directly visually apply the patches, but any automated tool sucks at visual recognition. Let's see if there are gui crapwares I can try
 
Yes!
 
or just use a for (;;) { .. } and break out
 
1:06 PM
@user1501635 LOL
 
lol %username%
 
@refp why? All these are pretty much equivalent, minus the irrelevant scope of bool done
 
Added to suckpuppet list
 
Are stripped executables faster, or just smaller?
 
@refp Pretty much nobody ever uses do while
 
1:07 PM
@Maxpm smaller. Unless the nonstripped versions are hundreds of MBs large.
 
@rubenvb a lot of things are equivalent to one an other when it comes to the end result, but you should still prefer to do it the "proper" way (and since the menu is to be expressed at least once, do { } while should be the preferred option)
 
@user1501635 Stop doing trolling here, please don't spam the room.
 
@Maxpm Smaller
 
@DeadMG and I think that's sad.
 
And extremely little faster, since there's less to load
 
1:08 PM
@refp I don't.
 
@user1501635 It's ok. You'll get tired before I do.
 
@sehe Just start binning his messages.
 
@user1501635 seriously, otherwise you will be in trouble
 
or ignore him
or both
 
both.
 
1:08 PM
@NinjaTurtle Coming from you, that's quite laughable
 
Where should I post the list?
 
@Cicada to the Lizard I suppose, he is my friend, we have nice relations ;) I shall read this list
 
tata
 
I have little respect for PROxxx books. If it doesn't have an animal on the cover I don't waste my time.
 
@NinjaTurtle there were not be toruble for me :)
 
1:10 PM
@DeadMG No way. Much to much work. Doesn't solve anything. And doesn't scale. We're way way past binning here. Remember, this is the prime user guy that we've been seeing on-and-off since january
@DeadMG Ignore him. Yes.
 
@sehe may be I should to parallel myself, then you must use thread for my new each parallel user
 
@sehe They're the same guy?
 
@DeadMG Yup. Scroll up
 
@DeadMG yeah , they are :) me
 
ah, knew he was a sockpuppet but not of that account
oh well
ignored him after I binned anyway
 
1:13 PM
> user1501635
> user1489093
> user1131997
> user1317084
 
So this forum is for talking about spamming sockpuppets? That was not reflected in the forum name.
 
@SinthiaV Scoop: this is not a forum.
 
)))))
 
OK picky. Chatroom.
 
damn. Just realized I should have installed kubuntu. Gives me access to kompare and kdiff3 without pulling in an extra 200MB
 
1:14 PM
Now I know you're russian.
Or a retarded guy trying to imitate russian.
 
let's not talk to the user
 
it's merkin
 
no.... russian flag is shit... USSR one was cool
 
android development is humongously fragmented.
 
real empire flag
 
1:15 PM
Speaks too good english to be russian though
 
AMERICA.
 
please stop with the patriotic breakdown.
 
What kind of characters are allowed in a C/C++ literal string (by standard)?
 
We all know you feel insecure about your country.
 
@Cicada, btw why did you thought that it's russian?
 
1:15 PM
It's no secret that I hate America.
 
@Abyx The )))
 
@nhahtdh what do you mean? The input file encoding is implementation defined, so there's no way to answer that question.
 
@Cicada lol)))
 
@nhahtdh Interesting question.
 
@nhahtdh What kind of literal?
 
1:17 PM
Yeah, the US sucks.
 
I want to find a programming discussion. Maybe I'm crazy to think SO is the place for that?
 
There's a minimum required character set (that's why we have trigraphs)
 
@SinthiaV try ICC
 
As in "dsfdsfds" or L"dsfdsfsdf", but if it is not well defined for the wide character case, then the normal char is fine
 
but u-strings have to support Unicode
 
1:18 PM
@SinthiaV This chatroom is infamous for its ADD.
 
there are more real IT developers in ICC chat, there are also chess game online and also real console like *nix in ICC
 
@SinthiaV This chatroom is certainly not the best for normal discussion I'm afraid
 
@ecatmur true. All large compilers have a way of being told what the source file encoding is.
It's just not standard.
 
Ok well ADD is something I understand
 
one more flag on the russian please.
 
1:19 PM
meh... just put it in ignore list
 
@SinthiaV to talk in ICC you must use commands, not just silly typing
 
@rubenvb Mmm. dubious choice of words. Also, I suppose the flag for mod attention is more than enough
 
@sehe five flags == 30 minute ban.
 
I have been feeding almost all characters into the literal string (except those with explicit need for escape). It compiles on gcc, but that's not the point here. Just try to learn a bit about what the standard says.
 
How to flag?
 
1:20 PM
@rubenvb Woot. 30 minutes. It'll only fuel the troll. Please don't? Let's get this proper attention. Not some kind of petty flag war
 
@nhahtdh standard says implementation defined. COnsult your compilers manual for the info.
 
oh, well
 
@user1501635 I haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Have we met before?
 
@sehe like the last time? Remember the gallery time?
 
sbi
Whoa, a frigging flagging war. What happened? Whom should I side with? Over which issue?
 
1:22 PM
Did someone already flag him for moderator attention?
 
@OctavianDamiean Lots. See also meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/138642/…
 
@sbi there's only one side being flagged AFAICT.
 
Whoa. :O
 
@OctavianDamiean I flagged on SO proper
 
Don't get your hopes up
 
1:22 PM
@nhahtdh read 2.3:1 [lex.charset] The basic source character set consists of 96 characters: the space character, the control characters representing horizontal tab, vertical tab, form feed, and new-line, plus the following 91 graphical characters:
 
What the fuck, thirty one flags?
 
sbi
@rubenvb No, It's @Maxpm and @user1501635, AFAICS.
 
@rubenvb there was one flagged message by @Maxpm
 
Wow ignoring works great!
 
Whoa, what?
 
1:23 PM
@user1501635 Are you threatening me? You're seriously crossing a border there.
@SinthiaV yup works like a charm
 
@user1501635 Fuck off.
 
I didn't flag anything?
 
Oh, that was me. I found all the flags flagworthy, if you get my saying.
 
Yeah. I validated all of them.
 
@sbi I invalidated the flag against Max
 
1:24 PM
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 1 hour 29 minutes.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
 
@sbi user* accounts
 
@ecatmur: following 91 characters?
 
@sbi Tits.
 
Excuse your language, @sbi. See the meta link I posted. Clear now?
 
:4383358 Three hours? That is comparable to eons in internet time mate. ;)
 
sbi
1:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Oh damn. How could I think there'd be a sane response in this madhouse.
 
I'm confused. Who flagged whom, and for what?
 
@nhahtdh oh yeah, [A-Za-z0-9] and 29 punctuation symbols.
 
ok, thanks
 
@Cicada please press the [Caps Lock] key
 
OKAY
 
1:25 PM
1 message moved to bin
 
(I caps with shift)
 
@Cicada you see, it's easier now
 
how can I make patch work very fuzzily?
 
@Cicada (Me too. CapsLock === Escape with me)
@rubenvb Use wiggle or just patch -f 999
 
@sehe PHP === operator? Out of my sight! Now!
 
1:26 PM
@rubenvb: Apply manually?
 
@nhahtdh too much code :(
 
sbi
So, again: What's up here?
 
@Cicada It isn't the php operator. Where do you get the idea
 
@sehe I'll see what that gives. Thanks.
 
@sbi user prime number and a bunch of his sock puppets came in for a good trolling
 
1:27 PM
@sbi ape is here
 
@sbi We're not that mad.
 
@sbi Read the freaking answer(s). Also, you're the one shouting in bold caps as if your life is threatened. Please clam down a bit?
 
@sbi 4 sockpuppets coming to troll
 
Nothing to worry about. We flagged these motherfuckers to death.
 
Have you ever tried to work in ASP? PHP is heaven coming from there.
 
1:28 PM
@Cicada 1 guy though
 
@sehe thanks, didn't know about wiggle. Nice. linux.die.net/man/1/wiggle
 
wiggle: fatal error
Aborted (core dumped)
 
sbi
@Dead, @Cicada That I got already. I've seen flags against one of those only, though. Did I miss the rest?
 
@SinthiaV Try ASP.NET, a technology from this century
 
This sucks
 
1:28 PM
@rubenvb where?
 
1 guy, 4 sockpuppets. Would be a nice movie.
 
@rubenvb not your day, is it?
 
@sbi Yeah. The others were probably already validated.
 
sbi
@Abyx How could I have missed that?!
 
@sbi Nope that's pretty much it, I'm afraid.
 
sbi
1:29 PM
@DeadMG I see. Thanks.
 
@sehe I just tried wiggle patchfile . .
lol
 
@sbi Apparently. I guess if accoutns get temp banned the pending flags are dropped?
@rubenvb where? OS, arch, distro, package version?
 
maybe not the right invocation
 
@DeadMG I have been working longer than that
 
sbi
@sehe I wish there was an answer I could read.
 
1:29 PM
@sehe in the source tree I was trying to patch using a patch generated from a different git tree of the same source
@ecatmur no it's not.
 
@SinthiaV And?
 
@sbi dunno, but I heard animals can't recognize themselves in a mirror
 
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Q: Sockpuppet troll: Can't flag for moderator attention: parseerror

seheRelated to this question: Error while trying to parse "Flag for moderator" text I'm trying to flag this (and related) for moderator attention. Here is my flag verbatim: user1131997 is back, disrupting the room with unconstructive, highly off-topic questions and ditto banter. We try...

 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel No, you're not that mad, you're this mad.
 
@sehe pending flags stack - each validated flag is a 30 minute suspension
 
1:30 PM
@sbi This and that.
 
@Abyx Dolphins and elephants can, and I think the smartest dog ever could. But in general, they can't.
 
What on Earth is a sockpuppet in this context?
 
@sbi If you applied a little patience, you could (read). Also the chat history is at your disposal, except for the flagged messages, perhaps (but with your owner powers you could even summon those).
 
sbi
@sehe Ah, thanks.
 
@Flexo I mean, the not-yet validated ones against the same account?
 
1:31 PM
Maybe Micro$oft wouldn't have ever done anything about that monster without the competition.
 
@sbi I only linked this three two times earlier in response to your yelling...
 
@Maxpm An account which is the same person as another account used to appear to support their views/upvote them/etc
 
@Maxpm One person using multiple accounts
 
Ah. Thanks.
 
I have a strong suspicion the 20 rep that user had came from cross voting on them
 
1:32 PM
@SinthiaV PHP is not really competition. That's like a six year old trying to compete with a Monster Truck.
 
@sehe they still stick around otherwise they could never stack
 
20 rep is not that hard to earn, though
 
@Flexo Makes sense :)
 
@Maxpm I suddenly have this strange feeling. Don't I see you on the Supreme Commander forums?
 
How would you guys analyze million-lines-long logs?
 
1:32 PM
@DeadMG You do not.
 
huh
 
@Cicada we don't use logs, we use crashdumps
 
@Cicada Easy. Flip the table, and get drunk instead.
 
@Cicada Automatically.
 
@Cicada I don't.
 
1:33 PM
@Cicada stick it in a DB in some standardish form
 
Stick it to the man.
 
I actually switched to .net after my WP sites were all hacked. But I still say that PHP has it's place.
 
sbi
@sehe I came here to a room where there were 29 flags pending, only 2.5 of which fit on my screen, belonging to different users. The screen scrolled like mad, because you were all producing messages like you get paid per line, so that I even failed to parse in time what came flying by. Given that, isn't it Ok if a regular asked for what's up, expecting two sentences explaining the situation?
 
PHP is the worst language I have ever used.
Worse than Java.
 
hmm. wiggle seems to have worked
it's a bitch to check it though.
 
1:34 PM
@SinthiaV Yeah- the same place that Betamax has as a storage format.
 
damnit. conflict <<<<<< markers
whyyyyyyy???
 
sbi
@sehe No. The chat history is at your disposal as well, and since I yelled, the one I replied to was the first link to that question.
 
@sbi as a regular you should predict reaction on such question of yours
 
sbi
@Abyx In fact, I did: "How could I think there'd be a sane response in this madhouse."
 
I think that the rabidity of the hatred for PHP is amazing.
 
1:36 PM
I'm just a plebeian who can't see flags, so could someone tell me what I was flagged for? (If I actually was, that is.)
@SinthiaV It's amazing, but justified.
 
@SinthiaV Anyone who knows jack shit about languages, and PHP, will easily conclude that PHP is a giant pile of garbage which is good for nothing.
 
I have been trying to start a decent programming discussion for days, with no takers until I mention PHP. Then the hate just flows!
 
@Maxpm I flagged your flag cause it looked spammy amidst the rest of the flags, and was disrupting the attempt at conversation. It was not personal, nor incriminating, nor repercussive.
 
@SinthiaV Funny, cause robot and I discuss programming in here frequently.
 
@rubenvb I didn't flag anything.
 
sbi
1:37 PM
@Maxpm The flag is gone, presumably because too many invalidated it. It was some picture of a bald eagle.
 
in fact, just this morning, we were discussing the API for his Unicode string class
 
@Maxpm you got flagged. By me.
 
@DeadMG So why not now?
 
I have a deep borne hatred for eagles and flags.
 
Oh. That kind of flag.
@_@
 
1:38 PM
lol
 
@sbi Yeah that would be okay. Would it be okay if I answered in slightly less enraged caps? I realize things will be hard to spot, but there's always the personal replies tab page in the SO Chat user page.
 
sbi
@Maxpm "Your flag" referred to a picture of a piece of fabric.
 
Yeah. Got it. xD
 
You have been bamboozled!
 
@SinthiaV Because I was just watching a film and eating some lunch.
 
1:39 PM
Ok, well, I plead the same symptom: hectic chat.
Meanwhile I was busy reporting the threats (see update 3 in the meta post)
 
also the user-prime-number stuff got in the way
 
OK so what are you people programming?
 
They're not actually prime numbers, are they?
 
sbi
@sehe Remember that I asked quietly, first?
 
@SinthiaV Right now, I am devising my own language.
 
1:40 PM
Fuck it. I'm installing kdiff3 and its full Qt depencies.
 
but we generally program instead of talking about it, unless we have a problem/whatever
 
Manually patching no way in hell.
 
@rubenvb meld
Use meld
Burn kdiff3
 
@Cicada the thing crashed.
 
@sbi Yeah, I do. We both suffered from hectic chat, ok. Now, I'll say this on the matter: I do very much expect you to resort to combing your replies list instead of shouting. I think you may have realized that the shouting was really counterproductive. With that, I'm happy to leave it
 
1:41 PM
I couldn't understand it either
Nowhere to open a patch file.
I can't just compare two source trees, they're different kernel versions.
 
sbi
@sehe I thought I had, in the last few replies to you, made abundantly clear that I shouted because there was no reply to make sense of?
 
I need to apply a series of changes made to a 2.6.35 kernel to a 2.6.32 kernel.
 
@Cicada why? what's wrong with kdiff3, especially in Windows?
 
On windows it's OK
 
@rubenvb As is you can't. But if you're willing to violate your service agreement (assuming there's no legislation that overrules it, obviously) to make use of some other right, why don't you just pirate it like a normal person?
 
1:43 PM
@sbi Well. I disagree. I very much gave you the information the minute I saw you enter. If I failed to plink you, my apologies. We should be about par there :)
 
On linux is has a terrible amount of dependencies
 
@rubenvb git pull?
 
@Cicada burn linux then?
 
Or rather, git checkout ...
 
@rubenvb cherry pick ?
 
1:44 PM
@Maxpm (CC:@Cicada) completely seperate git repos. No common commits
 
Yeah, but I am trying to motivate myself to start implementing my interfaces, and there is not a single person here who even knows what that means. So, I thought I would maybe try a chat. Another wasted hour ;-}
 
@rubenvb rebase. Should work. But is complicated. Perhaps easier to use a patch set indeed
 
Sounds fun. :\
 
@rubenvb How is that a problem?
 
@SinthiaV I think we know what "implement an interface" means.
 
1:44 PM
@sehe rebase what? The two repos started from a different full released kernel source by HTC.
@Cicada the fact that git cherry-pick looks in its own repository, right?
 
I know. That's why I am here.
 
OK, I'll try git remote add and a git cherryîck
 
@rubenvb Not a real issue, IIRC. You'd need to supply some more options to rebase. Perhaps you can prune/graft the 'remote' tree so that it fits in.
 
Don't think it'll help.
 
sbi
@Cicada Germans do the same, BTW. For us it's a false friend, too. So be careful with accusing people of being French. :)
 
1:46 PM
@SinthiaV Huhwot?
 
I don't know any programmers in the real world.
 
@sbi I cheated and looked at his profile
 
@rubenvb Anyways, Stack Overflow is prime resource for hardcore git questions
 
@rubenvb there were some non-trivial changes between those two releases IIRC so it might be quite tricky depending on what subsystem you're looking to cherry pick patches from
 
@SinthiaV Oh. I misread your message.
 
1:46 PM
@rubenvb Yep that's what I meant
 
Yeah
 
@Cicada Maybe he's a Lying Dutchman
 
sbi
@Cicada I really ought to know a girl would have cheated. Erm. I also do this all the time. Sheepish grin.
 
Cowish breasts
 
@sehe I know. Thing is, I don't have a concrete question :(
I'll attempt cherry-picking cross-repo
 
1:48 PM
@Cicada Wut.
 
sbi
@Cicada Whaddaya mean? Four teats?
 
e_e
 
sbi
@Cicada This is a purpose.
 
@rubenvb But you can search. E.g. 'merge [and] common [and] commits [git]' (I'd prefer to use google for such a search)
 
Oh cool, the room finally learned that user-prime-number is undesirable.
 
1:51 PM
@sehe oh I did. nothing relevant short of manual labor.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes In a big way. But he's hard to factor out :)
 
@rubenvb Manual labour builds character. :P
 
@rubenvb Oh. Mmm. I might be misremembering such things
 
@RMartinhoFernandes manual labor is a waste of my time.
 
sbi
@Cicada That really sounds like you adore him.
 
1:52 PM
@sehe problem is I have to completely seperate repos. I just need to use the diffs which are visually clear but git apply and patch disagree. Let's see if cherry-pick initiates the git merge magic.
 
@sbi How else am I supposed to get mod attention, dearie?
 
Glad to see the ape slogging through the backlog. That will clear up a few things.
 
lol, the ape is reading whole history
 
@Cicada :)
@Abyx Some of us do so on a regular basis, you know
 
sbi
@Cicada The way we do, through sophistication and intelligence? :)
 
1:53 PM
@Abyx AFAIK, the ape, the bear, and I do so often.
 
sbi
@Abyx Not the whole. I only missed the last three hours, you know.
 
@sehe it's sorta weird, IMO, like addiction or something
 
@rubenvb How would you have completely separate repos of the same linux kernel tree, anyways
(rhetorical question - don't answer; I can picture a few routes. The answer would then perhaps be 'subtree merge')
@Abyx Yup. No question about it
 
@sehe Android device kernel tarballs -> Android devs -> mess.
cherry-pick cross-tree left 5 manual files out of about 17.
good stuff
 
@rubenvb ow. that mess.
 
1:55 PM
@sbi I don't know these words.
she really doesn't know
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Isn't UCD the ICU data thing?
 
sbi
What, now this little piece of shit is advising others on how to avoid getting flagged? Damn that the idiot isn't banned from SO yet!
3
 
@Cicada can merge be used to fix manual git merges?
 
@sbi That doesn't work as well for women.
 
(note the complete unsearchability of this problem)
 
1:55 PM
@rubenvb now use git merge-tool (vim threesome or meld/kdiff3 are weapons of choice. On windows, TortoiseMerge absolutely rocks for conflict resolution)
 
@sehe ah, merge-tool. OK. Learning :)
 
@CatPlusPlus It's the official character database and ICU uses it, yes.
 
sbi
@Cicada That is even a worse crime when you come from a Latin-derived language, you know?
 
@sehe diffmerge is great on Windows as well
 
@rubenvb what do you mean? git merge commit-id merges that commit to your working dir
 
1:56 PM
also, it's git mergetool, afaik
not merge-tool
 
@sbi Nice. I hadn't realized the ninja's rep there
 
@Cicada merge conflict solving necessary.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I know what UCD is.
 
@rubenvb git mergetool as others said
 
@jalf good catch. I usually type that wrong on the CLI too
 
1:57 PM
But ICU has this "data" thing with an API and even a way to compile it into a large array in a DLL.
 
@sbi Latin? What's that? Isn't it an encoding?
 
ok, let's see if meld can live up to its name :)
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, it does. It's just that they have other means, too, and for some using those is simpler. :)
 
(I actually couldn't figure out how to build it, but when you do, I'll incorporate it to the build system. :P)
 
sbi
@Cicada Oh, just think of it as the slang at the Quartier latin and forget about his whole sophistication thing, Ok?
 
1:58 PM
@rubenvb Before you do, read man git-rerere Only of interest if you anticipate repeated merges (like, with topic branches usually)
 
@sbi ))))
 
sbi
@sehe No morkdown in multi-line messages. Read the newbie hints!
 
@Cicada ow, are you russian?
 
@sehe oh, not really relevant here I think. But thanks.
 
1:59 PM
@Abyx No, I'm a 51 yo merkin basement dweller. Wanna hang out?
 

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