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8:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, in the case of אפעל/אפעול, there's always a schwa nach in the פ' so there's always a dagsh kal in the ע
I'm not famliar with cases where the dagesh comes from the שורש
@Borgleader how may I help you?
 
user1804599
I'm so happy in the jungle.
I refuse to go.
 
@sehe sry, add link to pic is troublesome on mobile
 
ok
@MadameElyse hmmm?
 
user1804599
@sehe I see how people who are civilized bang you with automobiles.
 
IDGI
I think lobster swallowed a ounce of Nostradamus
 
sbi
8:22 AM
@Puppy It roughly translates into "'devnin".
Mornin'!
@bitcode Is he now?
in C++, yesterday, by Bryan Edds
I think behavior in lounge has improved somewhat with the presence of this room.
Haha!
 
user1804599
@sehe They have things like the atom bomb so I think I'll stay where I am. Civilization, I'll stay right here.
 
@sbi Good evening
 
sbi
Wow. That guy is on a roll.
@VermillionAzure namd!
 
user1804599
@sehe How typical of civilized people. Making fun of others.
 
@sbi what
@MadameElyse Hi!
 
sbi
8:29 AM
7 mins ago, by sbi
@Puppy It roughly translates into "'devnin".
 
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Do you know what HI is
 
sbi
So Scott Meyers and Alexander Stepanov both retired within a few weeks. Why do I still have to work? :(
 
Wait
The Scott Meyers that did C++ presentations?
 
@VermillionAzure Yes
 
And whos Stepanov
 
sbi
8:30 AM
@VermillionAzure When I was soldering TTL circuits in the 80s it meant the opposite of "LO".
 
he's important but what
@sbi NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hawaii (English pronunciation: /həˈwaɪʲi/ hə-WY-(y)ee; locally, [həˈwɐ(ɪ)ʔi]; Hawaiian: Hawaiʻi [həˈvɐjʔi]) is the 50th and most recent U.S. state to join the United States, having joined on August 21, 1959. Hawaii is the only U.S. state located in Oceania and the only one composed entirely of islands. It is the northernmost island group in Polynesia, occupying most of an archipelago in the central Pacific Ocean. Hawaii is the only U.S. state not located in the Americas. The state does not observe daylight saving time. The state encompasses nearly the entire volcanic Hawaiian archipelago, which...
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure Only the guy that came up with the STL.
 
@VermillionAzure STL's inventor
 
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
@TonyTheLion Oh.
He was an idiot. kek #troll
 
user1804599
Special:PrefixIndex is super nice.
 
sbi
8:32 AM
@VermillionAzure Well, ISTR him saying "I have never seen anything interesting invented by the OO people" or something alike. In the 90s, that created quite a "discussion" in the C++ community.
 
@MadameElyse who?
 
@TonyTheLion you mean his mum?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Don't work for morons, problem solved.
 
sbi
Oh look who's here!
 
user1804599
8:35 AM
@sehe Civilization.
 
sbi
@thecoshman I'm pretty sure this is still forbidden in Germany.
 
user1804599
"Civilization" is an American pop song. It was written by Bob Hilliard and Carl Sigman, published in 1947 later included in the 1947 Broadway musical Angel in the Wings, sung by Elaine Stritch. The song is sometimes also known as "Bongo, Bongo, Bongo (I Don't Want to Leave the Congo)" from its first line of the chorus. == Concept == The song is considered satire and is sung from the perspective of a native person, whose village has recently been settled by a missionary and other "civilized" people he refers to as "educated savages" who have been trying to make the tribe into a civilized place....
 
@sbi I've been dropping in to check for any pings related to uncon, and that happened to have just been sent to me vOv
@sbi well... it's a 'EU' thing... but like most EU things, they are optional :P
 
user1804599
:D :D :D
 
user1804599
8:36 AM
Great song.
 
sbi
@thecoshman IRTA "unicorn".
 
user1804599
Noun: whoosh ‎(plural whooshes)
  1. A breathy sound like that of an object passing at high speed.
  2. The snow burst through the trees with no warning but a last-second whoosh of sound, a two-story wall of white and Chris Rudolph’s piercing cry: “Avalanche! Elyse!”
  3. "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." —Douglas Adams
Verb: whoosh ‎(third-person singular simple present whooshes, present participle whooshing, simple past and past participle whooshed)
  1. To make a breathy sound like a whoosh.
Interjection: whoosh
  1. (sarcastic) Indicating that somebody has missed the point (as though it were flying overhead)....
 
@sbi speaking of which, do you think Poland would be do-able for you? I presume you can't say
 
user1804599
> (sarcastic) Indicating that somebody has missed the point (as though it were flying overhead)....
 
user1804599
TIL
 
8:37 AM
@sbi stop stealing my 'bit' :P
 
user1804599
@sehe I expected you to know of songs as old as you.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Too bad that you have again picked a weekend when I cannot attend.
 
@MadameElyse you honestly didn't know of that usage?
@sbi kids?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman 10000000000 - 1
 
sbi
@MadameElyse I prefer this.
@thecoshman Yep.
 
8:38 AM
@sbi bring them along, we are very responsible and grown up o_o
 
sbi
@thecoshman That one went over his head.
@thecoshman Uh uh. And you are also paying for the trip plus the accommodation of the kids, I suppose?
 
put them in your luggage
nobody will notice
 
@sbi oh what, so they want a bed each? What sort of spoilt kids are these? They should be thankful they get the floor! Back in my day we had to sleep standing up!
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yes. It shows.
 
@sbi is swapping around times with the kids really that out of the question? You've got like five months to arrange it. Or is such things far to political?
 
sbi
8:45 AM
@thecoshman Well, from what the kids tell me, she does have a lover now, so maybe things will improve. I won't hold my breath, though.
 
user1804599
such code reuse
 
@sbi I just don't get why you can't take the kids for like the two weeks, then her two weeks, so that this one weekend swaps over. Does she never want to do things when it lines up with he turn for the kids?
 
@thecoshman Instead of badgering the ape like you are doing, why can't we change the date? If you really want Ape to attend, I see no reason for a little flexibility.
 
@MadameElyse lol
 
8:49 AM
Its not like anyone is losing a life over a changed uncon date
 
@TonyTheLion sure we could ruin everything and change the date, I still find it odd that swapping when you have kids is so hard.
@sbi so yeah, if we did it the week before/after, would that free you up for it?
 
> ruin everything
wow
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh, when she wants something, she'll purr like a cat, and is reallly friendly. That's when I manage to sneak in a demand, or two, once in a while. Otherwise, though, it's really tough.
(Conferences, for example, are usually on Fridays – the day we swap the kids back and forth. That means the two conferences I attended last year were two problems for me. And the slight chance to go to the ACCU conference this year is, no offence meant, more important to me than drinking with you guys.)
 
@TonyTheLion sarcasm
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yep, very likely. And if it's two weeks, it wouldn't.
@thecoshman That's because you're not divorced with kids.
 
8:52 AM
@sbi well maybe if you ask rather then demand :P
 
@sbi Oh just noticed Jim Coplien is a keynote speaker.
That's kinda surprising.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Give me some credit there. I've had more years to practice relations with ex-wives than some of you have been out of kindergarten.
 
ok one sec, I'll do up a wee poll to see if we bring it forward a week or back
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked It isn't. He was planned to be there last year, but became ill and had to cancel on short notice.
 
Ven
8:54 AM
Hi lounge.
 
sbi
In 2013 (or was it '14?) Stroustrup was there.
 
@MadameElyse tweet worthy
 
@sbi it's your words XD (also, English peeps would call it reception)
 
@TemplateRex It's not too hard, right. Bit clumsy but very generic
 
8:55 AM
@sehe but having to define local variables and to read/write to them is rather annoying
 
It's hard once you have to pimpl it (x3::any_parser<....>)
@TemplateRex Should not be hard to automate. Anyhoops, always use a ParserState struct to accumulate the locals?
 
anyway, the FEN parser is now free of variant/optional and other cruft, just a plain vector<tuple> as AST thanks to 4 semantic actions and 2 calls to with
@sehe thanks for all the hints
 
sbi
@thecoshman Before you do that, lemme have a look at my calendar. And please do not forget: Picking the week before or after only puts me into the same position as you all are: Maybe I'll have time that weekend. That doesn't mean I'll have, only that I have a chance to.
 
@TemplateRex Sounds like a good trade-off
 
sbi
Um. What is the currently planned date anyway? Given that I looked it up and saw that I couldn't, I didn't even bother to put it into my calendar.
 
8:57 AM
@sbi well still no harm, at the same time, finding out which way people would rather go
@sbi June 11th
 
sbi
@thecoshman Ok, lemme look at the two weekends around it...
 
you should still have pencilled in the date... even if you didn't want to come, it'd be good to know that's when it was so any other plans could incorporate that info
 
@MadameElyse there's a function named dot_or_dotdot - github.com/goj/coreutils/blob/rm-d/src/system.h
 
user1804599
Ok.
 
sbi
@thecoshman June 4th and 18th are still virgin in my calendar.
 
9:02 AM
@sbi ¬_¬ keep them that way, they are slutty dates
@sbi do you mind me saying in this wee poll it's because you can't make it that we are looking to move forward/back?
 
@TemplateRex Looking at it a little more, I think I'd probably group at least three of the SA's into a single one, at least to get rid of the duplicated logic in push/expand. Also, get rid of globals _color and _piece! Makes the parser non-reentrant (wouldn't even work with any recursive rules). If you post it I'll answer on SO
 
sbi
@thecoshman What? Of course it's because of me! It's all in these public logs here!
 
@sbi vOv excuse me for asking :P
 
sbi
Anyway, I'm outta here. I gotta work.
 
Ven
@MadameElyse that library isn't POSIX-compliant github.com/goj/coreutils/blob/rm-d/src/system.h#L161 Names starting with "to" are reserved.
 
9:08 AM
Uncon 3.1 could do with changing date! Share you details here. Location is still to be determined, but probably safe to presume Poland. (I'll share results once a good number of those I'd expect to turn up have responded). You can still nominate here
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I also found something nasty
 
@sbi Have a nice day there
 
static inline char *
bad_cast (char const *s)
{
    return (char *) s;
}
 
user1804599
@Ven lol
 
thanks pinner, I was about to ask :P
 
9:08 AM
@thecoshman Can you include the link to the location poll, I'm unpinning the old one chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/27988975#27988975
 
@sehe why unpin that one?
of you mean up date this one?
 
@thecoshman Have you seen the starboard
 
Ven
Uncon going to be in poland? well, too bad then
 
@thecoshman yes
 
user1804599
@thecoshman sycamore fig
 
9:10 AM
ergh, not enough message length to also link to the nomination results :\
@sehe you could always clear some of the shit
 
No shit
 
like random image links, that zeo comment that is pinned
 
@thecoshman Didn't even notice that was a pin. Yeah, should not have been. I think I just slipped the mouse trying to add a star to that one
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked try a distributed hash table.
 
@MadameElyse oh yeah, I wondered why you sent me this, I was very confused :P
 
user1804599
9:13 AM
You asked me to name a fruit.
 
@MadameElyse I know, I just didn't think about that
 
Will put $5 on cat's absence if unconf 2016 goes to Poland
 
user1804599
Maybe it's better if you leave thinking to others.
9
 
Unconf 3.1? Is there going to be a unconf 3.2?
 
user1804599
Is Let's Encrypt not easy to abuse?
 
9:20 AM
@Mr.kbok Great, interested then :p
 
Alrighty.
I'm going to make a parser today
 
@Rerito got my mail?
 
@Mr.kbok Checking
 
@VermillionAzure You mean you are going to try to.
 
@wilx Well, at least a scanner.
 
Ven
9:21 AM
got mail¿
 
@Rerito fyi it's firstname.name@company.com or @gmail.com or @live.com
 
@VermillionAzure have you decided what you're going to parse yet?
 
@MadameElyse wasn't that news recently, that it is?
 
user1804599
I do not know.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer I'm thinking a basic 5 or 4 operation Polish notation
 
9:22 AM
@Mr.kbok Got it then
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer wind
 
Lucky you, firstname.name@gmail.com was already taken for me :p
 
so +1*34 or something like that
and that's 1 + 3*4
 
@thecoshman pineapple
oh hey, self pings don't ping you any more... or was that only responses?
 
@Mr.kbok Pinged the gmail one
 
9:23 AM
@thecoshman ananas
 
@thecoshman testy mc testing test
 
@VermillionAzure reverse reverse polish?
 
@sehe no, just Positive Polish
double negative = positive
this means we are using happy Polish notation today
No negative thought
 
you made a booboo
 
NO NEGATIVE THOUGHTS
 
9:24 AM
Did you ask me to bin your messages
 
it's gonna be a polished polish
 
user1804599
 
What's the roll doing there
 
@MadameElyse shouldn't the mustard be on the side?
 
@sehe it's probably american, thus needs more food than was initially listed
 
Makes sense
 
@TonyTheLion That's so old! I saw that three days ago!
 
@thecoshman Yes then its old indeed.
 
@MadameElyse /where I am/where I ohm/
 
9:32 AM
@tony see pinned messages btw
also, are people like andy and martin still alive?
 
@TonyTheLion Man, bears are terrifying
 
Oh hey, get this; my work really want's people to leave, so is forcing people to try pair working! Not just pair programming, but actual full day sat with someone else doing all that work together.
 
@thecoshman kumquat
@ElimGarak Unbearable really :P
 
@TonyTheLion oh, what are they like?
 
@thecoshman google it
 
9:36 AM
¬_¬
I wanted an opinion, not facts
 
I don't know, I've never had one
I just know they exist
 
@TonyTheLion for shame!
 
Now that I'm done with the shitty HMI stuff, here comes the heisenbugs nightmare... Fuck my life
 
@Rerito sent mail
 
I wanted to write an innuendo pun, but was afraid no one would get it or like it
 
9:43 AM
@Mr.kbok Got hangouts or smth else?
 
@thecoshman known as cumquats in Australian English
 
@Rerito pretty much nothing, considering the corporate proxy
if u wanna see my face you gotta come over
 
I should ask people to ping me response in all the lounge polls, it really helps cut down the crap responses people leave.
 
@Mr.kbok I meant anything that allows private IM :)
(I'm at work as well currently)
 
@Rerito anything on the internet won't work. we'd have to phone
or we talk when we're home (I can't tonight though)
 
9:46 AM
@Mr.kbok Alright we'll set up a time
SMS ping sent
 
user1804599
yay
 
If there's a formal dress code I'm screwed btw @Mr.kbok :D
 
yes you have to dress as a fireman
 
The only suit I have is now too small
 
user1804599
I made an AutoHotkey script that opens everything I need to help a particular customer.
 
user1804599
9:54 AM
Opens the web app, the development environment, SSH, and pgAdmin.
 
Maybe I should get a blazer while the sales are on
 
My boss is the only one who cares, so I guess if you have only one it's ok
 
I don't have any that I fit in
 
@sehe What mental labels do you have on me? :)
 
wilx, mainly
 
9:57 AM
@sehe Heh. Am I my own category then? :)
 
is that surprising?
I hope we all are
 
@sehe Well, no. No, it is not. :)
 
@Mr.kbok I guess that blazer, dark jean and shirt is ok
 
@Rerito yeah
 
Is it only integration or is there any dev?
 
9:59 AM
I interviewed here with a leather jacket and t shirt. You'll be okay
It's only dev, but it's IT dev, not model dev
 
Oh, right on
You mean no algorithms?
 
yeah
if you're interested in finance it's a good starting point imo
 
Ven
@MadameElyse aw :[
 
I'm interested in maths and algos (and c++), I guess it's just one step "over"
(And understanding what's going on under will be a plus so one day or another I'll have to dive in the model)
 
yeah
gotta go now, see ya
 
Alright, thanks btw :)
 
@Ven /cc @MadameElyse
I'm constantly amazed at how different my twin daughters are. Lisa is so much more positive & confident than her sister Hog Face.
That's. Hodorific
 
user1804599
@Ven fucking awesome <3
 
user1804599
AWK <3 <3 <3
 
10:20 AM
man
I'm so glad I have my internship
I'm so freaking useless at least the least I can do is know a programming language that I can actually do stuff in
 
Sent 5 terrorists to kill 2 civilians ... ISIS is indeed the loser of terrorists
 
Suspicious or not?
 
@thecosh Avocado
 
10:42 AM
I want a thingy which I can use like so: std::tie(foo, bar, baz) = Thingy<int, int, std::string>(); and based on the type it should call a different function in the order from left type to right type. How can I get this thingy. I got problems with the calling order when using variadic templates. Any boost solution or anyone got a good idea?
 
user1804599
Interesting.
 
user1804599
Fetching all database rows into a list and then iterating the list is significantly faster than iterating the rows directly.
 
@noob Ssay again
 
user1804599
Where list means array.
 
@MadameElyse probably caching?
This reminds me of the C++ presentationf fromt Scott Meyer 2d matrix row vs. column major and the performance difference
 
10:46 AM
@StackedCrooked is it down?
 
@VermillionAzure Thingy should somehow look like so: template <class... Values> std::tuple<Values...> thingy() { return std::make_tuple(thing<Values>()...); } but argument evaluation order is not guaranteed in C++ and mostly done from right to left. I need to have guaranteed left to right evaluation.
 
user1804599
I have no idea why though.
 
Please just plonk her
She's not worth the frustration
 
user1804599
I hate Python.
 
@TonyTheLion She was already fond of this shit in 2015
 
10:50 AM
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper Well. They're still succeeding at being better terrorists than you and me. What's your point? You weren't there. If the police shot 5 people they might have many reasons to call these terrorists.
Anyhoops. Time will tell. It's way too early for glee. Please control your nerves.
 
@Rerito My point is no less valid
 
@TonyTheLion Of course, I was just implying we shouldn't expect her to move on :)
 
@Rerito Which is a very good reason to use plonk
 
Indeed!
Oh, gtg see ya
 
See ya :)
 
10:53 AM
@StackedCrooked it's responding again. Dunno what happened
 
user1804599
Python gives you the robustness of dynamic typing with the high performance of dynamic typing.
 
In fairness they strike some kind of a balance performance wise
> sehe@desktop:~$ uptime
08:44:53 up 13 days, 11:16, 4 users, load average: 0,39, 0,30, 0,32
sehe@desktop:~$ uptime
11:54:56 up 13 days, 14:26, 5 users, load average: 0,20, 0,24, 0,32
still time to reboot. #priorities
 
This chat has weird mood swing sometimes
 
#dontmakemeexplain
 
#nogonna
why does this spammer keep on spamming me with the same broken link?
 
11:00 AM
why do people keep doing annoying things when they're ostensibly useless
 
@noob well um...
Why not just pass functions, and then call them one after another?
 
0
A: Reading numeric data of different types from a file in C++

seheThis is going to be overkill for you now, I expect. Still want to show the public in general how elegant code can become if you use a parser generator that knows how to project to you AST data types. Here's a Spirit example that automatically handles all conversions to a vector<line_rec> where l...

Vintage overkill answer to noob questions
Wow. We have similar minds. We came up with almost identical datatypes, and even the same name for all_data :) The only thing missing is validation of number of trailing pairs. — sehe 47 secs ago
 
@VermillionAzure Because then I'll have pass all the functions to thingy but in my currently not working solution everything is compile time expanded and I don't have to pass anything. Also passing the same function multiple times seems very redundant and inefficient.
 
template<typename... Ts> void func(Ts... args){
    const int size = sizeof...(args) + 2;
    int res[size] = {1,args...,2};
    // since initializer lists guarantee sequencing, this can be used to
    // call a function on each element of a pack, in order:
    int dummy[sizeof...(Ts)] = { (std::cout << args, 0)... };
}
 
11:11 AM
I didn't know that you could stalk the space station
I am so ignorant ...
8
 
Howdy!
 
hi
 
@sehe I don't see how I get my tuple with the result of each function back out. But yes I tried using initializer_lists but I didn't get it to work with the tuple.
 
@noob erm. Okay. I was just thinking about the sequencing. Index trick it is, for you then: en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/integer_sequence
 
I have been summoned.
 
11:20 AM
@sehe Looked promising at first but looks like it can only make tuples where all elements have the same type. But I could be wrong.
 
@Nooble No.
 
@Morwenn :(
 
@Nooble You don't need to be summoned to be given love :3
 
@Morwenn <3
 
Does anyone else get this weird feeling of 'I have seen that name somewhere', but you just can not remember where?
 
11:31 AM
@Nooble Yes. I wanted to know how you are doing?
 
Nov 27 '15 at 11:21, by R. Martinho Fernandes
On the topic of good names, TIL "USB 3.1 gen 1" is another name for "USB 3.0" and "USB 3.1 gen 2" is another name for "USB 3.1"
 
@noob You are. Why on earth would that be. Just make_tuple(forward<Pack>(get<Idx>(pack))...)? (of course apply any function you wanted instead of just forward)
 
Xeo
forward in the wrong place there
 
11:48 AM
@TonyTheLion Just fine. The train's coming :D
 
@MadameElyse Covariance contra Variance sounds like a boxing fight :-D
 
@Nooble :D
 
@sehe Ehm because I'm noob and I've tried this for 15min now. So Idx is std::index_sequence<Idx...> and Pack comes from typename Pack... and pack is what? I'm really noob. I got no clue how I should get this to work.
 
11:55 AM
What to do, I want to quit this meetup, but last time I quit the group, one of the organizers spammed me asking me to rejoin, except I don't feel any sincerity in their group, they just want more members
 
I find it hard to believe that i+0.5 doesn't compile (or whatever "error me" is supposed to mean).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least he was willing to have a semi-random stranger (if we can really believe that's what it is) come and check
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper Tell him "I think we should see other people."
 
@noob I think it's in many SO answers.
 
@TonyTheLion I just find the whole asking the experts thing very funny.
"OMG our next president has fake hair"
 
11:57 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, the funniest thing being that anyone even cares enough to ask someone about that
Also, filling up air time with inane things.
 
Xeo
We should maybe update that site with C++14 indices
 
@Xeo Yes you should :)
 
Totally.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think that's just because of the wording suggesting the wrong motivation. I happen to really like the fact that internet spawned "fact-checking" communities. Basically, so that any campaign that sells bogus can be exposed.
Of course, being accused of having fake hair is hardly slander, but it could be perceived as a smear campaign by some. Fact checking it takes that out of the "equasion" [sic]
 

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