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11:01 PM
has anyone seen this amazing next-gen of a trailer? youtube.com/watch?v=UjsyXnqHOhA
top comment puts it best lol
> I could've sworn this was a 2 minute tech demo by an amateur animation student. Is this for real?

Do we need zoom ins of a scantily clad female watching TV and flexing her cyborg hand for...any reason...for more than 2 minutes? What the hell is going on? What's with the loud music and...news report about...what? Apparently scotch makes punk cybogs chicks angry, and after trying to Adam Jensen her drink, she's angry enough to pick up a gun and mount a bike (of course), while driving away from a horizon of...fire? What? And then a slow motion-aim into the camera, whose muzzle flash cuts to
 
> All rights are belong to their holders.
 
@AlexM. gratuitous nudity and sexism only 30s in
 
All your base are belong to us
 
Who the hell is Melonie Mac
 
A twitch streamer afaik
 
11:06 PM
@AlexM. At least they're not doing bullshots. :v
 
user3010322
Bullshots?
 
wtf youtube
I clicked Like on a comment
 
now I can only "Like" it by changing to G+ and there's no opt-out button anywhere.
 
@Rapptz bullshots are reserved for AAA titles :D
 
11:07 PM
Well these people are obviously comparing them to AAA titles.
A bit unfair, I might say.
Trailer sucks though so whatever.
 
user3010322
I didn't understand anything about the game after watching that trailer.
 
@Rapptz gamers are hard to satisfy as fuck tho
 
Fuck gamers.
 
@AlexM. From the guys who started working on a Duke Nukem game without the rights to do so?
 
11:09 PM
eh? they did that?
 
user1804599
Oh, I’m going to vote tomorrow yay.
 
user1804599
Everyone could just as well burn the voting pass; same effect.
 
@AlexM. Which is why E3 is bullshit.
 
fucking YouTube.
 
11:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No E3 is bullshit because all you hear are the words "exclusive content" and "new experience"
I have to find the compilation gametrailers did last year, it was hilarious
 
No, that's why AAA is bullshit :v
Also 3D Realms still exists?
 
Nintendo doesn't do big E3 anymore.
 
user3010322
I thought they only skipped out on one E3?
 
it's a permanent thing
no big E3 this year either
 
user3010322
Sweet.
 
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11:14 PM
It probably saves them a shitload of money doing awesome Nintendo Directs.
 
I like Nintendo Directs better anyway
 
user3010322
I love being trolled by Sa...
 
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... Sa... I...
 
user3010322
Something.
 
user3010322
It's like being rick rolled but 100x better.
 
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11:15 PM
I want to call him Sawau Isaru
 
user3010322
But that's completely incorrect.
 
You butchered that name pretty bad.
Satoru Iwata
 
user3010322
Yep.
 
user3010322
Ha, I got, like
 
user3010322
some of the letters correct.
 
11:16 PM
Nintendo has trouble dealing with journalists, so they prefer to make their own hyper-controlled thing: Nintendo Direct.
(Seriously, Nintendo has some of the worst PR in the industry, and we're talking about an industry that contains EA)
 
user3010322
(And Konami.)
 
Nintendo's PR isn't bad.
Marketing is bad, which TBH is a surprise.
PR isn't too terrible.
Game journalism is a joke anyway
 
user3010322
Well, let's be fair.
 
They can't talk to their audience like their competitors can.
 
user3010322
Nintendo sells itself.
 
user3010322
11:18 PM
Always has.
 
Not anymore, because they don't seem to like pumping out sequel after sequel.
 
@EtiennedeMartel This is a big fat lie.
It's almost entirely incorrect.
 
user3010322
Nintendo Direct... kind've shows they know how to talk to their audience? o.0
 
@Rapptz I say "talking", not "telling". They have no community management.
 
11:19 PM
It's a one way thing.
They throw small tidbits to their audience and then walk away.
 
user3010322
To be fair, I don't think Nintendo needs community management.
 
Their presence on social networks is laughable.
 
user3010322
At least, not like this.
 
user3010322
They don't have a serious multiplayer wankfest (their own fault with how Wii's networking was).
 
user3010322
But... if it's anything like Salami Iwatu says, they're going to be fixing that... but even then the system looks like it has minimal overhead.
 
11:21 PM
Nintendo's core issue is that they're still doing things like it's 1995.
The gaming landscape has changed since then, but Nintendo didn't.
 
@Borgleader man, that's 4 years old already huh
@sehe yeah, probably because of this:
The term bombshell is a forerunner to the term "sex symbol" and originally used to describe popular female sex icons. Modern usage refers to a bombshell as an extremely sexually attractive woman. The Online Etymology Dictionary by Douglas Harper attests the usage of the term in this general meaning since 1942, although earlier Jean Harlow was so nicknamed. Hollywood bombshells of 1940s-1960s are recognized for their hourglass figures, their large breasts, sex appeal, and originally their blondness. After Jean Harlow, other icons of popular culture who have widely been referred to as a...
 
@EtiennedeMartel I've heard this from you a lot so, please, explain it.
 
user3010322
As long as Mario Kart 8 continues to sell millions of copies, I can't really say Nintendo's doomed.
 
user3010322
Or that they have any issues.
 
user3010322
I know that developing for them is kind of like writing an article with your own blood...
 
11:24 PM
Nintendo's not doomed at all.
 
user3010322
But besides that, I mean. They're making cash money. Lots of cash money.
 
Pokemon X/Y sold 12 million copies.
 
user3010322
^ This.
 
and that's just two games :v
 
user3010322
Did that 3-D pokemon come out yet?
 
11:24 PM
that is the 3D pokemon
 
user3010322
Ooh.
 
user3010322
The art assets for that must be nightmarish.
 
@Rapptz Its only partially 3d
 
No it isn't
 
maybe im thinking of the wrong game but theres a pokemon where the fights are 3d but the world isnt
 
11:26 PM
definitely wrong game
this is X/Y
 
@Rapptz Well, for example, they don't seem to acknowledge the fact that most of the gaming today is not done on dedicated hardware.
 
Oh that 3d, I meant the 3DS's 3d feature...
the popping out of the screen thing
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't understand how this is any different than PlayStation or Xbox.
 
@Rapptz Both of those are media centers.
 
The Wii U can be a media centre too.
 
11:28 PM
(Assuming you mean the PS4 and the Xbox One)
 
user3010322
I can't really say I like Xbox or PS being media centers, in an of themselves.
 
user3010322
(PS dropped support for DLNA (sp?) media servers anyways)
 
Also, third parties hate Nintendo, for a variety of reasons (notably, developing for Nintendo hardware is a pain)
 
How is this relevant to 1995? :v
I can't comment on developing for Nintendo hardware (or any hardware) because I haven't experienced it.
 
@Rapptz In 1995, hard to use specialized hardware was the norm. And then the PlayStation came in.
 
11:30 PM
the only thing I remember the PlayStation doing that others didn't was play music CDs.
 
The N64 got fucked by the PS precisely because the N64 was designed to lock in developers.
 
the PS2 doubling as a DVD player I recall.
 
PSs always had that going
at release, the PS3 was the cheapest Blu-Ray player
 
@DeadMG CDs over cartridges was a big thing.
 
People bought PS2 because it was a DVD player too.
 
11:31 PM
Also, not crappy SDK.
 
Just like people bought PS3s because it was a BD player.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, the CDs broke way more easily.
 
@DeadMG They were much less expensive.
 
hmm
 
I think the PS3 was half the price of a normal BR player
 
11:31 PM
And had a way higher storage capacity.
 
but I might be wrong
 
Programming on a N64 required voodoo magic.
 
well I was still 8 years old at the time and my parents paid for new games occassionally at Christmas, so I wasn't paying attention to how much they cost.
 
Anyway. I haven't developed for the Wii U, and to be frank chances are you haven't either.
 
this reminds me, my laptop has a BR drive and I never used it
 
11:32 PM
@Rapptz There wasn't a single Nintendo platform that was easy to develop for.
 
And based on what I've read (and we've discussed this before) the anecdotes go towards both sides so there's no real definite answer.
 
I'm guessing the Wii U isn't any different.
 
the problem with the Wii U is that they shipped hardware they don't know how to use.
 
Nintendo doesn't give two shits about developers. It never did.
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel Having spoken to one of the individuals who developed for the PlayStation and PlayStation II from EA, "voodoo magic" isn't far from what it took to make games run on those.
 
11:33 PM
They seem to care about that this generation so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
 
with the Wii, it was pretty fuckin' obvious how you could use it to make games you couldn't make on 360
 
@ThePhD Compared to the competition?
 
it took one second of watching that guy play Wii Sports
 
@ThePhD You reminded me of a comment, sec.
 
user3010322
The guy showed me one macro they needed to to texture access on the PlayStation
 
11:34 PM
@DeadMG Oh, the Wii was an insanely crappy piece of shit.
 
user3010322
It was 80 lines long. And he had to figure it out and write that himself.
 
for developers, maybe.
 
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By trial and error.
 
but if you were a user
 
@DeadMG This is what we're talking about here.
 
11:34 PM
the potential was obvious.
 
but with Wii U it's not obvious so nobody's buying it.
 
No games, also.
 
No games is an old excuse that managed to stick.
Shame tbh
 
hmm
 
11:36 PM
@Rapptz Why? A console is the games that run on it. No games, no console.
 
Because it's not true anymore
People just think it's true and they roll with it
So it stuck.
Hence, it's a shame that it did.
 
user1804599
Games suck.
 
user3010322
> PIX! PIX! I Kiss You!
 
user3010322
Lmao
 
@Rapptz Now, if only Nintendo had enough money to put ads in front of everyone to inform them of all the great games that are on their platform.
 
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11:37 PM
I share this guy's sentiment.
 
user3010322
It's really the one reason I'm hesitant to leave VS 2013 when doing DX11 stuff.
 
user3010322
PIX. ;~;
 
user3010322
Don't leave me, baby. ;~;
 
What I'm saying is: if nobody uses your shit, it's your fault, not the users'.
 
11:38 PM
@ThePhD Yeah I like that post.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I agree.
if only the Linux developers could get that straight in their heads.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Bud I already mentioned the marketing point 45 minutes or so ago.
 
@Rapptz Look. Why do you think nobody buys Wii Us?
 
I already mentioned it.
The marketing for it is incredibly bad.
 
I think people will buy a console even if it doesn't have many games
 
11:39 PM
Just look how uninformed you are.
Imagine how everyone else is.
 
as long as they can clearly see that there will be plenty of games on it in the future
 
The marketing for the console sucks.
 
And for their games.
 
I mean, if you buy a PS4 or XB1, you know there's gonna be lots of games made for it in the next decade.
 
That said, I don't remember Nintendo doing lots of marketing back then, during the first console wars.
I think they were expecting their fanbase to just carry it for them.
 
11:40 PM
 
They did a lot of marketing back then.
Their marketing was pretty good.
Even their Wii marketing was good.
 
the Wii marketted itself.
 
e.g. "Wii would like to play" commercials that played quite a lot here.
 
you only needed five seconds of that guy playing tennis in Wii Sports and you would be pretty much done.
IMO all the consoles are facing existential problems compared to the PC, the Wii U is just the first one to fall.
 
The issue with the Wii U marketing is that they expected it to be a sort of coattail effect from the Wii.
 
11:42 PM
if they don't get their act together, they're gonna lose out to the LoLs of the world
 
And this backfired pretty fucking bad.
 
It was moronic from the beginning and now they're paying for it
 
evening lightness
 
@Rapptz Many people don't even know what the Wii U is. Is it a new console? An upgraded Wii model? An addon for the Wii?
 
11:43 PM
@Rapptz I think the hardware was bad, too. There's no compelling use case for it.
 
user3010322
They launched it early with no real purposes.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Some journalist thought it was a new controller for the Wii (IIRC)
 
seems to me like buying a Wii U is like taking it on faith that some guy, some time, will come up with a decent game for it.
 
@DeadMG sup blud
 
user3010322
They honestly should have released the 3Ds, left it at that, and then slowly worked on the WiiU.
 
11:43 PM
Quick question for you guys: how can I iterate though the elements returned via multimap.find(something);?
 
What's going on? Why aren't you guys fighting?
 
well
I promised myself I'd send my CV tomorrow.
 
@hichris123 What is the return type of multimap::find?
 
so, y'know.
 
@DeadMG The hardware isn't PS4 tier but it's not terrible. The games look good on it and run at 60fps.
 
11:44 PM
@DeadMG ok
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, that's my point.
 
@Rapptz I'm mostly referring to the terrible controller.
 
@FredOverflow Wait, it's an iterator? okay then. :P
 
The controller is my favourite controller I've used.
 
11:45 PM
> Notice that this function returns an iterator to a single element (of the possibly multiple elements with equivalent keys). To obtain the entire range of equivalent elements, see multimap::equal_range.
 
But I don't feel like ranting about it
 
@Rapptz It's about as powerful as an iPad.
(Well, maybe not, but it'll get outclassed soon)
 
Come on man.
 
Yeah, it's not fair.
 
That was the most retarded thing you've said all day.
 
11:46 PM
@EtiennedeMartel for the iPad ;)
 
@FredOverflow Oh, okay. The question is though: why would you return an iterator to a single element?
 
Yeah, don't know what I was going on about there.
 
Dear @PayPalDE, why can't my password not be longer than 20 characters? And why the hell can't I paste it? With that, you fail security 101.
 
Wii etc. have no street cred. against a massive PC with 32G of RAM, 4 video cards, a massive display array and RAID SSD's. Also, a big case with fans and coloured LED's mean a lot.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, they mean expensive and heavy.
 
11:47 PM
What surprises me is how long it's taking for Android to destroy the 3DS.
 
> why can't my password not be longer than 20 characters
@Griwes So the password must be longer than 20 characters?
 
Nitpicking, nitpicking everywhere.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, the 3DS is 3D.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Are there nintendo games on Android?
 
Nintendo doesn't care about hardware. They care about experiences or something.
Shame it doesn't work very well though.
 
11:49 PM
@Rapptz That's what everyone does, actually.
You know, you can have both.
 
I didn't say you couldn't.
 
Nintendo isn't releasing remakes fast enough.
 
@Griwes It's hardly "nitpicking".
 
Where's Metroid? Where's Zelda?
 
11:50 PM
@Borgleader That reminds me of the whole "Nintendo should go mobile" arguments people say.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Also, some of their games like Star Fox are in now-dead genres.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Propping up desks and wastebins.
 
If they release new games from their series I think they can make serious money. But what do I know.
 
user3010322
Metroid and Zelda games -- even the old ones -- are still being speedran.
 
They need to flood the market with their IPs.
 
11:52 PM
e.g. new Metroid, Zelda, Star Fox, F-Zero, Kirby, etc.
 
Go Activision style.
 
user3010322
I could use a new Star Fox
 
target every one of their niche fanbases and I can imagine them making a lot of money.
 
Yeah right...
 
user3010322
... That is not ANYTHING like Star Fox Adventures.
 
11:53 PM
 
user3010322
Ahahahaha
 
user3010322
If Half Life 3 ever did get released....
 
It wont
im afraid theyre chasing perfection
(if theyre working on it at all)
 
does anyone know how to find out what backend software a server has?
 
@ThePhD Valve are too busy rolling in money from Steam.
 
11:56 PM
there's a server i'm working on at work but i don't know if it has mysql, oracle, etc
 
and making shit games like Dota2
 
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@Borgleader It would have to be perfect.
 
user3010322
In order for it to be accepted.
 
user3010322
They'll quickly run into the Duke Nukem problem.
 
@ThePhD thats part of the problem
 
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11:57 PM
Make someone wait long enough for something and they'll expect it to be godlike.
 
user3010322
Out of their world.
 
@ThePhD Duke Nukem wasnt just below the hype level, it was outright bad =/
 
will uploading a phpinfo() file tell me what backend is available on the server?
 
user3010322
@Borgleader I know, I wasn't saying that it'd be outright bad like Duke Nukem 4ever, was, just that they'd run into the same problem.
 
user3010322
Which is, extremely high hype/expectation.
 
11:58 PM
hmm
I dunno
 
user3010322
HL3 has already reached legendary status.
 
the thing about Valve is that they have hit that bar before.
 
@DeadMG yes but the longer it takes the higher the bar gets (thank you human subjectivity)
 
L4D2 is pretty much the only product of theirs that didn't descend from the heavens and lead us to the promised land, and that's only because Valve pushed it out so soon after L4D.
 

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