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3:00 PM
@DeadMG Education section is still very vague
 
@Xeo I didn't say he was cured. Just better :P
 
Xeo
heh, fair point
 
What school did you go to? What A Level grades? Was it really WTF University? (:P) Which modules particularly interested you? Perhaps name a couple of your favourite, or in which you did particularly well, and cite some scores.
Show off.
 
I can bring out quotes that amount to "why would I VCS" or "why would I tests", and now he has the completely view.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, but that means leading with the sickness, since that's my most recent.
 
3:01 PM
Sad to see the SO section has gone altogether.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Actually, I just haven't re-written it yet.
 
@DeadMG Fair point; separate education from job history, then. In fact, don't have job history.
 
I don't have a job history :P
 
Exactly. You're drawing attention to that atm.
 
unless you want to know about the time I spent six months working on a checkout in Homebase.
 
3:02 PM
@FredOverflow, gah. Forgot about that bullshit :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit WTF University? Is that a pseudonym for The Lounge?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, the real thing has the real university listed :P
 
For a second I decided to use "context sensivite" as a general term without a "well"-defined meaning.
 
Have a little sentence at the end of your CV, in a prose section about your hobbies/likes/personality/driving licence/languages spoke, that says "I had X between Y and Z, but recently was finally prescribed an effective treatment and am now looking forward to making a great start on my career."
@FredOverflow hah
@DeadMG Well, actually...
You were on a customer services team at a large, national retail chain and worked closely with twenty other people to resolve customer issues and process financial transactions.
It's not irrelevant
 
Ok, it still complains about this cast even though I have now implemented IList<T>?
 
3:04 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My CV says I got a diploma with a "1,5 score" (which is very good) in our system. I did not write "very good" on my CV. Should I?
 
I used to list languages spoken with self-evaluated level, but not anymore.
 
I used to do that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Self-evaluation always leads to 7/10, does it not? ;)
 
@sehe while I love it when it works automagically...how do I figure out what the hell the include path is? Nothing shows up in the auto complete list when I try to include stuff from a package I installed :/
 
3:05 PM
No.
I honestly believe I am 10/10 in Portuguese.
I definitely rate both my French and English about 7/10.
 
Now I just write: Don't speak to me, I only speak in unintelligible tongues.
 
@DeadMG See my quote above about the IBS explains what happened, but isn't apologetic or self-comforting; it shows that you're being proactive and taking control of your life. It covers all the bases and, for me at least, would resolve the entire medical issue on its own.
 
My French is terribru
 
I'd be interested to find out whether the other Loungers are generally in agreement with all this stuff I'm saying, mind you
 
@TonyTheLion TIL: Tony's tongue needs practice
 
3:06 PM
yea ;P
 
I'm relatively sure it's not supposed to be this...
#include "../packages/cpprestsdk.2.0.1/build/native/include/cpprest/http_client.h"
 
@melak47 What's bothering you? The ../ part?
@melak47 four spaces for indentation
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't do a lot of the stuff you suggest, but I don't generally disagree with it.
 
@FredOverflow the ../ part for one, having to go out of my project dir to include a thing installed into my project seems odd. but also the packages/cpprestsdk.2.0.1/build/native/include/ part....
if this is automagical, I'm missing the magic
and the automatical part, too.
 
@melak47 Ugh.
-I../packages/cpprestsdk.2.0.1/build/native/include/ + #include <cpprest/http_client.h>
@melak47 Where is this from?
 
0
Q: Dereferencing a null pointer

NickWhy I can't dereference a null pointer? That is, why I can't read/write memory which address is simply 0? Does the base pointer of my process have a different address? If yes, is there a way to obtain the lower memory adders available for the default heap of my process?

Time for some philosophy.
 
btw
I'm not ignoring you, I briefly went for a shit, I'm sure I left a message saying brb but I don't see it in transcript
gimme a sec to read up
 
s'okay this conversation has been going on for two days so far
not gonna miss you for twenty minutes
 
lol
 
@FredOverflow No.
 
3:15 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit okay just checking
 
@melak47 Does autocomplete actually work reliably for this?
 
@melak47 that would be in the docs for the package..
@R.MartinhoFernandes it did with R#/C++EAP
Also, it does with YCM
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, yeah I suppose I could do that. but I don't really consider "I dumped your package in this directory somewhere figure out the includes and build settings yourself" very "automagical"
 
it's magical and it's auto. what more do you want :0
 
@melak47 Doesn't #include <cpprest/http_client.h> work?
If not the package is likely broken.
@sehe Yeah, but IntelliNonsense.
 
3:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmmm? it worked okay for me (outside the missing features)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it didn't earlier, but intellisense has for some reason decided to stop bitching at it now, so idk...trying crap...
 
@melak47 Are IntelliSense and the compiler already using the same parser these days?
 
don't think so.
 
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A: Dereferencing a null pointer

Lightness Races in OrbitWhy can't I make a phone call to 00000 000 000? I should be able to do this.

 
they disagree with several of my Wide projects about include paths too.
 
3:19 PM
@melak47 So yeah, don't trust IntelliSense for things.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/already/yet/ # maybe? dunno
 
Oh, just realized that VS2013 is still extremely slow even after R# EAP expired. In fact, it might be slower now (holding down the up/down cursor key moves ~1 line per second and this is in a single-TU test project with no PCH/MS-specific crap enabled)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it wasn't just intellisense, but when intellisense can't find the include paths it usually doesn't work for me
hrmph, now I'm getting fatal errors, sayin it can't open the files at the old include path which doesn't exist anymore
no shit
 
I bet you can't make phone call to 00000 000 001 either
 
great...for some reasona bunch of individual cpp files were included in the vcxproj
wtf
 
user3010322
3:22 PM
Fun fact about VS: if your paths for anything (source, include, library references, whatever) are not ended with a /, VS will refuse to search those directories to understand includes.
 
Can't be true.
Can't be.
 
user3010322
Not for compilation.
 
user3010322
Intellisense auto-completion.
 
user3010322
Compilation will be fine.
 
hahah, lol
 
3:23 PM
MSVS is a very good IDE.
 
user3010322
If compilation was that bad I'd have just given up.
 
@chmod711telkitty Nope. What about the next one?
(please, list them all)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I guess that "I handled the money" sounds a lot better.
 
@Griwes It is. Just slightly so for C++
 
woo automagic include paths yaay
 
3:24 PM
@DeadMG It really doesn't.
It sounds cheap, and tacky, and immature. :)
no offence
 
yeah.
 
sounds like you were the Rodney in a two-man team of fail, wheeling and dealing on the streets
not, y'know, being responsible and doing important stuff
 
lol
 
that said, I think I stretched the CV-speak about as far as humanly possible with the Homebase passage
 
Put "handled" in quotes and it sounds a lot worse.
 
3:25 PM
> I "handled" the "money"
 
I "handled" their money.
 
> "I" "handled" "the" "money".
 
> "\"I\" \"handled\" \"the\" \"money\"" [please see section below on Wide's string literal syntax].
 
kinda sounds like I gave them a handjob or something.
 
it sounds like you're a drug dealer bank robber
 
3:26 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't remember if I implemented escapes or not. I tend to do that kind of thing as I need it.
 
are you trying to get a job as a cashier?
 
@DeadMG Ah, so when you need to escape from a corner
GET IT?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I guess I don't really want to talk about it. Formal education and I don't mix very well.
 
Is there a market for puppy-education smoothies?
 
lol
 
3:28 PM
@DeadMG Well, you're certainly going to have to, especially with zero previous related jobs...
 
puppy smoothies: a healthy dose of puppies.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I guess so.
 
do you have open source projects that work?
list them on your resume
 
@DeadMG Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but that's obvious!
 
indeed it is.
 
hurray
I feel like we're getting somewhere now ;p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
 
I got straight As in all the subjects I wanted to, and then I discovered independent thought and my grades crashed.
 
fuck too late I scrolled down
 
my Maths results are like, A A A A E U and the other two are the same.
 
@DeadMG tell them that
well, maybe
be careful with it; on your first job application you don't want to seem like a know-it-all
 
3:30 PM
for graduate positions, grades are relevant
 
show off without being a know-it-all
it's tricky
 
well
I made this crappy maphack for an unpopular retail game in their scripting language.
then I realized I could teach myself and didn't need them.
 
apply for the ones that ask for acadameic transscripts :p
but have a github full of useful little tools might help ... so I heard, you need to convince your potential employer you are capable of writing good code
 
I think @sehe may be having some sort of mental breakdown
 
you also need to show them you are a good team player
 
3:34 PM
I can't afford any browsers that show them anyways. I'm being inclusionist here. You can be my friend, you can be my friend too, no need to support Unicode bananas, you can be friend ("It's okay, just pad it in your own words, brother") — sehe 4 mins ago
 
it was just my screwed up project not getting far enough for me to see that the include paths were working :v
 
I feel like I'm traveling down the road to burnout.
 
user3010322
Already?
 
don't complain about your sickness in the interview
 
time to hop companies again? :p
 
3:36 PM
@chmod711telkitty indeed. no-one likes a whiner
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's because you keep not going home when you should.
 
-1
Q: Use an image as your background in your WebPage

user3657563I want to have a image of my choice to be the background on my webpage I've looked a lot for this but found nothing that works for me. I want something like the background color changer: An example that I would like it to look is: but this will not work for me and I do not know what to do.

 
@DeadMG I know. It just hit me.
 
use a phone alarm clock or something to remind you to go the fuck home.
 
Man.
I'm starting to think that doing SQL is fun.
Should I seek medical attention?
 
3:37 PM
see psychiatrist
 
user3010322
o.O
 
oh that reminds me
DAISY FEEDING TIME
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In a way, I think that's almost part of growing up (for recent generations). Just - take it seriously. That feeling, it's not going to just change. It /will/ eat you eventually. But (high note:) only if ignored
@EtiennedeMartel too late
 
@EtiennedeMartel You are not wrong. Well done SQL is a joy as much as anything else well done. :)
 
@DeadMG Any justification I think of for that is another sign of it :S
 
3:39 PM
In my experience (close and closer) you can just call it quits early. Just take a little time off. Or (in my case) consciously stop working fulltime. I took that quite literally. And it helps me a bit. Today was my part-time day, and I'm recovering from (relative!) unhappiness at work. I know I need that.
 
@DeadMG gets later each day
I remind myself every few months that the stuff I'm producing at work is not for me. I'm allowed to be proud of it but I shouldn't care too much.
It helps.
 
I'm not proud of butchering good looking code until it compiles on VC++.
 
well then you really are in trouble
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now you know how I feel about sol. And probably how @Rapptz feels too.
 
I'm quite certain I went through a lot more trouble.
 
3:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are still an idealist. It will pass. :)
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Ah ben crisse.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably. :D
 
blergh, now it can't match const char[5] to:
could be 'web::json::value &web::json::value::operator [](size_t)'
or       'web::json::value &web::json::value::operator [](const std::string &)'
or       'web::json::value &web::json::value::operator [](const utility::string_t &)'
 
@VáclavZeman No, I'm not. In practice the end result is still bad.
 
user3010322
utility::string_t
 
user3010322
3:43 PM
that's a new one. :D
 
It's horrible code full of horrible workarounds that cause the compiler to sneeze when you change code that is almost completely unrelated.
 
is a typedef for wstring on windows
 
@melak47 Are you doing webdev with C++?
 
WTF Kivételezések.. Elnevezés személyre szabás.. how do I end up with this language shit every time the sun comes out and I just want to sit outside and drink beer? The whole world is out to get me, (OK, maybe just Hungary ATM).
 
@Jefffrey no, just parsing some json
 
3:43 PM
You shouldn't like it even if you're a die hard pragmatist.
 
I've never used a Hungarian ATM
 
@melak47 Good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do not like bad code or workarounds for bad compilers. But I also do not let it bother me too much.
 
@VáclavZeman I can't not let it bother me.
It will bother me even if I don't want.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I would be happy if I never used one again ;)
 
3:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, you can. You are not zen enough. :D
 
@VáclavZeman No, I can't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe you should get a girlfriend and some kids. Then there will be other things to bother you and bad code will suddenly not look that bothersome. :)
 
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I got this compiling last month! You can't start ICEing on it now that something else changed.
@VáclavZeman Zen won't make the code compile.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hehe. OK. I did not know it was that bad.
 
user3010322
My Zen makes my code work.
 
3:48 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah. We try to keep it at least a bit past half past four- it's pretty rare we feed her earlier than that.
 
user3010322
Mmm. I can't make a vector of references. Damn.
 
@ThePhD You can make a vector of pointers...
 
user3010322
Not convenient enough!
 
user3010322
Nice engineering.
 
3:51 PM
Fucking hell.
 
right
after Wide, my biggest punch has gotta be my SO profile.
 
I can't even post something without getting my ass reposted.
 
> ranked #242 out of three programmers
hmmm.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't repost you. You reposted me.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sshhh
 
3:52 PM
if it makes you feel any better, I just wasted about 7 minutes trying to find that
 
it does.
 
@DeadMG Maths.
 
yeah, I may have missed a "million" or two in there.
 
Bah, 3 or 3 millions, who can tell the difference?
 
well if you're ranked 242 out of 3, it's probably a bad sign :P
 
user1804599
3:57 PM
Fucking hell.
 
Well, in a way, you're off the charts.
 
user1804599
Razor out of battery. :<
 
user3010322
If you have something that's 2 bytes in size,
 
user3010322
the maximum amount you can store in a vector would be the maximum count that a std::ptrdiff_t can handle positively, right?
 
user3010322
Since it would be std::size_t's bit max / 2, which is just one less bit and thus fits in a std::ptrdiff_t positively.
 
user3010322
4:00 PM
Also, fuck me.
 
user3010322
-1 % 450 == -1
 
user3010322
In discrete math that shit goes positive. ;~;
 
It depends on how you define division.
 
user3010322
Mmm. Well then.
 
Red is quotient, green is remainder.
 
user3010322
4:03 PM
Mmm. Sucks.
 
user3010322
VS 2013 November CTP supports auto with no trailing decltype()
 
user3010322
And it works better than when you try to use it with templates and decltype.
 
user3010322
So I'm going to auto everything from now on that needs deduced things and let the compiler do its thing.
 
use decltype(auto)
 
user3010322
I don't know if November CTP has that
 
4:06 PM
You didn't switch in the end?
 
user3010322
I can't handle it. I'm still learning makefiles and trying to write one that excludes some dirs, picks up all my extensions (.c++/.cpp) and all that.
 
user3010322
Then I need to emulate some of the property sheeting going on.
 
In Makefiles?
 
user3010322
Yeah.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was too hard to use Qt Creator for him
 
4:07 PM
You mean, not hard enough.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Well, to be fair, the thing still doesn't let me use my MinGW 4.9, I had to get Qt Creator's 4.8.1 packaged compiler and also let it choose QMake for me.
 
@ThePhD Qt Creator can already do all of that
@ThePhD Works for me.
 
user3010322
:(
 
user3010322
Maybe I should give it another shake later this week.
 
user3010322
You know what I would really like, though?
 
user3010322
4:10 PM
An IDE/Editor that could read a makefile and "run" it on the current directory and take all affected files and use them as its measure of "project".
 
user3010322
That'd be cool.
 
lol debug stop on every line
that's hilarious
 
Is there a standard algorithm for testing if a range has duplicate elements?
 
Hmm guise...
 
4:11 PM
std::unique
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes std::unique
 
Not quite.
 
That removes consecutive duplicate elements.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Hmm…
 
4:12 PM
yeah but do it on a sorted copy then compare sizes
there's no standard non-modifying algorithm for this
 
user3010322
Wait a second...
 
relying on a CTP feature is pretty owch.
hell, it's pretty owch for a non-CTP feature.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit For that I'll use std::copy into a set instead.
 
yeah, that works
me too, tbh
 
user1804599
@ThePhD YES MASTER
 
4:13 PM
Though, I'd prefer to stop as soon as possible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes insert in set, compare counts? :v
 
I'll have to write the loop myself, i.e., no algorithm can do that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes iterate
jinx
 
user3010322
 
why did you indent 3 spaces :e
 
user3010322
4:15 PM
Huh?
 
user3010322
Oh
 
user3010322
I don't know.
 
user3010322
That's just how it is?
 
eh
it's no more inconsistent than floats and ints are inconsistent.
which they are because they're totally different things.
 
user3010322
Maybe I should just eat the sign.
 
user3010322
4:17 PM
Pretend it never happened.
 
what else are you gonna do?
 
user3010322
Plug my ears and roll around on the ground?
 
user3010322
;~;
 
user3010322
Why
 
user3010322
Why does my convolution always end up looking like shit. ;~;
 
4:23 PM
Why
Why can't this stupid thing match a stupid string
 
Xeo
@Mysticial NGNL :D
 
laughed more than I should have
 
Hey, is there anyone that can fix this "marked as duplicate"? stackoverflow.com/questions/22777142/…
 
4:25 PM
It isn't a duplicate.
 
@user314104 it's open
 
now I've got this absolutely ridiculous blurb just to access a stupid fucking json value's fields... json[string_t(TEXT("stat"))] ...and it still can't convert from string_t to string_t&. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT ._.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: Thank you
 
@user314104 you're welcome
 
TEXT macro?
Shame on you.
 
4:26 PM
what am I supposed to do?
if I use L"bla" then it doesn't work on linux because there string_t is narrow :/
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oui c'est très très drôle (sigh)
 
that was the last one
picked 3 out of 25; be grateful
 
@melak47 Don't use string_t? vOv
 
@Xeo IT'S OUT?! LINK PLS
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the whole stupid fricking library uses the string_t typedef. it's either std::string or std::wstring
 
4:29 PM
@melak47 Wait. Does that mean there is an overload for std::string and another for string_t?
 
@ThePhD int doesn't have negative zero. float does.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, but the std::string one is private ._.
 
so it shouldn't even be confused about that one
 
It's broken.
What happens when string_t is std::string?
Conclusion: it was never tested on Linux?
Or apparently, on Windows either, judging from your predicament.
 
4:32 PM
Why use std::wstring anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's ifdefed and crap
 
lol
Workarounds for self-inflicted problems.
 
@Rapptz because being able to just go json["stuff"] is too comfortable!!1!
 
silly
I typically avoid libraries that use std::wstring :v
std::wstring is annoying imo
 
user3010322
It doesn't solve anything.
 
user3010322
4:35 PM
std::wstring has all the name problems as std::string
 
how many name problems are there with std::string? :p
 
user3010322
I solve my problem by just doing ustring_t<TChar, TCharTraits, TEncoding> PROBLEMS = SOLVED
 
user3010322
Hey, don't laugh, it's great. :c
 
also...why the fuck does a http and stuff library, which probably downloads all the crap utf-8 encoded use wstring on windows? :E
 
user3010322
4:38 PM
json[L"Hurrdurr"]
 
probably for the same reasons you are
 
can't you just stuff the utf8 in std::string and be happy? :(
 
Who cares about other languages
 
huh? if it's utf8 encoded you still have all your fancy 🍌🍌🍌s
also...are nuget packages supposed to be just prebuilt stuff with headers? no source? :/
 
@Xeo You suck. :)
 
4:41 PM
@melak47 They're whatever people package in them. It's quite a flexible package management system.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial I love you too
 
user1804599
ITT Xeo sucks off Mysticial.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well...fuck it. I'm gonna use my crappy handwritten json thing
don't want to deal with this wstring crap that doesn't even work :(
 
@ThePhD That is... pretty awful.
TEncoding should dictate both TChar and TCharTraits and you shouldn't really even need traits.
 
Shit. It seems VS2013 has suckage also outside of C++ which makes it hardly usable for WPF projects
 
4:56 PM
they're WPF projects, so it's a question of the editor sucking as much as the library.
 
apparently the XAML editor has memory leaks
 
user3010322
XAML is p. bad.
 
user3010322
The editor, anyhow.
 
user3010322
I remember when I worked with it constantly. Crashes all day long.
 
user3010322
@DeadMG You should totally need the traits. D:
 
4:58 PM
not even Update 2 fixed it
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Z'êtes forts.
 
@EtiennedeMartel C'est assez consternant oui.
 
Is there a simpler way to declare this in Haskell?
 

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