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7:09 PM
oh man I hate all the edge cases you have to test for in Android
Just fixed a bug where everything would work just fine if you already had data in the cache, but if you started out fresh it wouldn't work.
 
So, everything in Android?
 
why do I have to be able to receive an SMS to setup whats app? if I can receive SMS what use do I have for whats app
 
yeah, just all the random bits, like network connectivity issues, or the user entering your app from a notification instead of the main screen, or someone using gallery vs picassa
just lots of things to remember to test
 
@FoamyGuy That's just to confirm your mobile number
It avoids people setting up fake accounts without having a valid number
 
why does it need to do that?
what if I don't have an active cell plan?
 
7:18 PM
Then you're outta luck
 
what a useless service
 
I set up whatsapp on a tab
 
lol Foamy
 
I don't wan't it on my real phone because it has pretty much every permission
but I am trying to use it to talk to a specific person on a different non-active phone
 
There's hacks to get around it
 
7:19 PM
you get the sms on a diff device
 
right and I did, but the device I installed on is listening for it
it doesn't just let you type it in
I guess I could spoof an SMS intent, but Im not sure I am that dedicated to the idea of using it
 
I can't remember exactly but I used the code off one device on another
 
You could do that earlier
When I installed it, they let you receive the verification code on text
Now, they send a silent SMS or something
 
yes silent SMS
In iPhone they use third party SMS gateway to verify this process
 
ahh ha
if you do the call method you get to enter the number manually
 
7:28 PM
In SMS also, you have to enter number manually because sometime a method which fetch the number return null
 
it wouldn't let me manually enter sms
 
A single sperm contains 37.5 MB of DNA information. One ejaculation represents a data transfer of 15,875 GB
Totally useless information of the day
 
lol
 
> Election closes in 18 minutes.
 
> Election closes in 17 minutes.
 
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7:42 PM
Here's to hoping Undo doesn't win.
 
.. 16 countdown ...
 
Why not undo?
 
Why don't you like Undo?
I don't know much about him other than a few posts on meta where I have encountered him
 
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Praise be to our lord Clements, dude Raghav, and that 0x7f guy 'cause the other options didn't seem all that sensible when they're web developers
 
He is actively present on meta
 
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7:45 PM
Was talking about him on NSChat with another member, he's supposedly kind of unpleasant.
 
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Possibly more focused on winning than actually doing anything
 
Ah I see
 
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Granted, the experience there was based on him being a mod on a Space SE site.
 
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Where I think he was difficult to work with, but I don't remember the details. The important thing is that I like the other options more.
 
 
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7:50 PM
With Clements in the UK, 0x7f in Florida (unfortunately), and Raghav over in India, that covers a handful of timezones too, so that works out fairly well, I think
 
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1 message moved from NSChat
 
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God, I hate it when I do that.
 
> Election closes in 1 minute.
 
keep refreshing your tab
 
voted
 
7:59 PM
> Election closes in 51 seconds.
> Election closes in 5 seconds.
 
Election closes just now.
 
yeah
 
can you guys already see who won?
 
why in gods name
 
> bluefeet, 0x7fffffff, and Bohemian.
 
8:00 PM
why
why is android.R.string.yes NOT "Yes"
lmao
 
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Hahahahahaha
 
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I remember complaining about that.
 
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Hope you like "OK" everywhere
 
Heh I didn't win
 
:|
 
8:01 PM
the thing is
android.R.string.ok exists too
lol
 
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Yep, been over this before.
 
i mean i just made my own, its just funny
 
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By the way, JMR, I expect you to eventually write an FAQ answer for why your avatar is so damned weird.
 
didnt i ever give you the lore on it
 
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No.
 
8:02 PM
its from this really bad web comic called single asian female
(written by a male lol)
and people made fun of it a lot and thats where it comes from
 
HAHAH
 
that one i posted is an edit made by people making fun of it, the actual comic is 100% unfunny
 
user457812
That explains the one black and white panel
 
ok, I think I need to ask this again here just to be sure: The overflow menu, in the default AOSP email client, that's not a regular overflow menu, that's a PopupWindow?
 
8:05 PM
Ahmad, where did you see the results?
 
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Man, I just love the hardcore porn popups that accompany Ecyclopedia Dramatica.
 
whats AOSP?
 
Never mind
 
oh yea, sorry that might be nws
i have adblocker so im safe
 
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I do too, I also have popups blocked, but apparently they've found a way around that
 
8:06 PM
@codeMagic Posted in another chatroom
 
ouch
 
JMR - Android Open Source Project?
 
Plus, you can run them yourself
 
as opposed to Gmail
 
oh, ok
 
8:07 PM
I'm just trying to be absolutely clear
 
not sure about that
 
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This comic is.. surprisingly racist.
 
just wondering why do you want to use a popup for the overflow? ive found the standard implementation works fine
 
I saw that I could run the results but figured they'd be posted soon. I see now, thanks
 
@nil yea its ironic lol
 
8:08 PM
And, sorry, Raghav. I really thought you'd get it this year. Seemed like you had a lot of support
 
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I have a feeling it wasn't intended to be ironic
 
Only one of my ponies won this year
 
I had a feeling my chances were worse than last year
 
yea it wasnt. which is why it was so funny to make edits to it like that
 
8:09 PM
Last year, I was the last one to be eliminated
This year, the second one
 
So... none of the three mods specialize in ?
 
[ tag : Android ]
Remove spaces
And yep. None of them
 
:/
 
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Q: February 2014 Stack Overflow Community Moderator Election RESULTS

Shog9Stack Overflow's February 2014 moderator election has come to a close, sacrifices have been made at the altar of STV, and the 3 new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn...

 
youll always moderate my heart raghav
 
user457812
8:15 PM
Thankfully, Raghav is not a single asian female.
 
@JMRboosties ಠ_ಠ
 
Wow the election was pretty close at the end there
 
see updated answer of ThiefMaster
 
0x7fffffff and Exhausted both reached the threshold, but 0x7 was slightly higher.
Huh, although ThiefMaster says that 4th seat would've gone to meagar.
 
"exhausted" is no candidate
I think if all your 3 votes go to candidates that are gone in the current round you vote for him
 
8:20 PM
Wow, doing some research, none of the 16+ moderators specialize in
 
yup Carl
 
Which is why Raghav should win.
we are seriously misrepresented.
 
Oh, well that's embarrassing. (that I thought "exhausted" votes were for a candidate with that name)
 
(I thought that too at first)
 
@nebulae I'll try again. They aren't getting rid of me so easy
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8:31 PM
LOL
 
user457812
Eating ribs for lunch because leftover ribs. This is actually not very pleasant.
 
but ribs are num.
 
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Not when you've had them for the past several days because you bought them in bulk
 
point taken.
 
8:37 PM
.. I am leaving now !. bye
 
that's why you need a freezer
 
24 season 1 done.
7 seasons to go.
 
season one is enough
 
but season 9 is starting soon
 
tempted to spoil
 
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8:38 PM
Pretend season 1 happens 7 more times with escalating bizarre crap and you've got all of them watched
 
and Im thinking it's going to be good
so I need the back story
Im not enjoying it much, tbh. makes good white noise.
 
Hey, we have our first female moderator! (from what I can tell, none of the others are female)
 
thats sexist.
 
Anna?
 
there is a rachel something or other with a diamond I think
 
8:39 PM
just kidding.
 
really? who?
Yeah anna is a SE employee or not?
 
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cat vomitting outside my door
 
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There but for the grace of god goes my appetite.
 
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hack hack hack
 
Bluefeet is female.
 
8:40 PM
oh anna
 
Oh, cool didn't know that
 
stop being sexist.
just kidding.
 
I'm not 0o
 
stackoverflow.com/users?tab=moderators There's no one called Anna here?
 
dont stop, it gives me awesome moral highground to use.
 
8:41 PM
Because she's a SE employee
 
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I just assume everyone but nebulae is female.
 
She has a mod diamond
 
lol nil
 
but isn't really a mod
 
thats sexist.
 
8:41 PM
you're sexist.
lol
 
ignoring my stupid commentary is sexist.
 
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I'm not sexist, I'm just sexy.
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Chalk that up to a phrase I will never, ever say again.
 
hovering over the star...
ok cool someone did it for me
 
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@JoeyClover You've got write access in both Android and NSChat, so read the rules for both and agree to follow them.
 
8:43 PM
ok, I guess Im only halfway through season 1.
 
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You have probably 15 minutes to do that.
 
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A: Does the SO community view itself as gender neutral?

bluefeetGender neutral is very difficult especially when you are dealing with users online because while you don't know who is on the other end, as Jaydles said I think most of us assume person is a man. Is that right, no? - but it is just what happens. Personally, when I am dealing with users, I typ...

 
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A: NO.
 
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Any other answer is disingenuous well-wishing.
 
I guess 24 has 24 episodes. make sense.
 
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8:44 PM
Not to be confused with the wishing well I dump bodies in
 
Did I miss something? Has Thread.sleep() "has been deprecated and highly discouraged"
 
Handler.postDelayed is much better
 
Aaand my static page generator works
 
yeah thread.sleep() is no fun
 
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Seems odd to deprecate it, but on the upside, the deprecation will be meaningless, so it can probably be ignored
 
8:46 PM
What's wrong with it in AsyncTask?
And I don't see any docs that say it has been deprecated
 
where does it say it is deprecated?
 
That's what I want to know, zapl
 
or the timer class i guess, there's that too
> Did I miss something? Has Thread.sleep() "has been deprecated and highly discouraged"
where did you see that?
thread.stop and suspend and a couple others were deprecated
but that was forever ago
 
In the link I posted. Someone said it...
I know others were but I'm just trying to figure out where that came from
 
well, if someone said it on the internet, it must be true.
I'll let google know
 
8:51 PM
Obviously
I didn't see anything in any docs so I thought I'd ask here in case I missed something
Carry on...
 
github.com/JakeWharton/flip-tables (pretty table printing by jake)
 
It was upvoted (which I understand doesn't always mean a whole lot)
Everyone relax! It's been taken care of
You can cancel that call to Google now, neb
 
too late
 
Shit!
 
its already in the database of confirmed knowledge
 
8:56 PM
Lol!
 
Is there something this guy hasn't already done?!
damn you jake wharton
 
Looks like Raghav was 9th place...
 
LEAVE JAKE WHARTON ALOOOOOOOOOONE
please read that in the crazy leave britney alone guy voice.
 
hahah I did
guy?
that was a guy?
 
yep
 
9:00 PM
wasn't that a annoying girl?!
WHAT
 
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I think there was once a time on #a-d that Jake was talking about how you shouldn't reinvent wheels.
 
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Which of course meant I had to tell him that was particularly funny coming from him.
 
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Ahmad, that was a guy in makeup.
 
I think he was a girl for some time
 
I was interested enough that I googled him/her. He/she is a transgender.
 
9:03 PM
maybe not, I somehow confused him with someone one the internet that had a sex change and changed back
 
Was or still is, don't know
 
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My kitty's new name is Mistah Poofuhflanks.
 
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Said in the thickest most stereotypical Victorian English accent possible.
 
9:19 PM
Oooh I just realised my sister is coming over from Australia tomorrow. Wonder if she can get me a red Nexus 5...
 
@nebulae im still giggling about this
 
Nil did you read any Haruki Murakami?
 
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I don't know.
 
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No.
 
Soooo pretty keen to watch an Arnold movie tonight now, thanks neb. Are any of the Terminator movies on Netflix?
 
9:21 PM
I think so adam
gratz on new kitty nil
 
I dont know! luckily i have netflix open and can check.
terminator 2 :)
which came out just when I as in my axl rose obsession phase.
 
T2 it is, then.
 
9:35 PM
Neb, that link is priceless
 
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9:52 PM
@petey I don't have a new kitty. I just decided he has a new name.
 
ahhh. okies
 
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Because when you see him walking away, his hind legs are extremely poofy and it's hilarious and adorable.
 
this. this looks freaking amazeballs.
 
awww. got a pic?
 
possibly nsfw.
 
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9:53 PM
Oh god I hope this is not a real thing
 
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Please don't let this be real
 
it's a real thing.
 
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The last thing the world needs is more things stupid people can watch and think "this is what the tech industry is like"
 
and I'm gonna watch it.
 
it might be good
 
9:55 PM
I'm gonna watch it so hard.
 
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It might be good but it is going to make stupid people that much more annoying
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the writers planned everything out just so that programmers would cringe
 
im gonna build a visual c based gui
or whatever
 
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wat
 
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I just know I'm going to be more easily annoyed all day because of that trailer
 
9:58 PM
 
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oh not again.
 
hahah
 
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JMR beat me to it on that one
 
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10:00 PM
Exact same instance I was going to link too
 
i dont get the keyboard one like
i forgive the visual basic gui thing
theyre just in over their heads whatever
 
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I DON'T.
 
but even the most
basic thinking about 2 people typing on the same fucking keyboard
like no one in that writers room was like "uhh this is physically impossible"
 
Hahah.
 
no one
 
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10:02 PM
I'm going to assume the writers were asked to do it and just shook their heads in pain as they wrote it in
 
0
Q: Proguard seeming to remove an entire package

PearsonArtPhotoI use Proguard to obfuscate my code, and make it smaller. I build using Eclipse, and have for some time. I've been trying to do a release for a while now, and I keep getting the following error when I try to run my code using the released build (I can produce more if it helps). 02-25 16:39:58...

 
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I'd also assume the writers frequently have their stuff changed once it's done because the director was like "no we need more tension get another person on that keyboard"
 
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At any rate, there is nothing forgivable about any of those scenes because they're just that bad.
 
After trying to resolve it for 24 hours on my own, it's time to see if anyone out there has a suggestion...
 
10:06 PM
 
ENHANCE
 
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Reminds me...
 
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stabs Carl
 
Somehow I have a feeling I'm going to have to put a bounty on my question to have it have a chance of getting an answer to it...
 
10:12 PM
What Q?
 
0
Q: Proguard seeming to remove an entire packages that are included in the path

PearsonArtPhotoI use Proguard to obfuscate my code, and make it smaller. I build using Eclipse, and have for some time. I've been trying to do a release for a while now, and I keep getting the following error when I try to run my code using the released build (I can produce more if it helps). 02-25 16:39:58...

 
@PearsonArtPhoto stupid Q: Did you include the activity in your manifest?
 
Yes, a very long time ago...
 
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I like how the "stop hating Java" article in the star'd list is trying to act like lines of code is the only complaint against Java.
 
10:14 PM
If I hadn't, it wouldn't have even gotten that far.
 
lol that one's good Neb
 
nil hates java for all the other reasons
which are... stuff. things.. I'm not sure. cannot read the mind of nil
 
user457812
I hate Java because of the obsession with verbose patterns and a blind love of FactoryFactoryFactory classes
 
I like the object type verification of Java, for anything reasonably large it does make things a lot easier.
 
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Also, Java's type system sucks
 
10:15 PM
every time I think he'll hate something he likes it. and vice versa.
 
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Scala's is better.
 
upvoted it Pearson, but I haven't even touched proguard yet, so I don't have any insight
 
I never done anything besides running pro guard on the whole project
But that has caused me a lot of trouble as well
 
user457812
C++ also nailed type safety better than Java provided you aren't doing weird crap with pointers in which case you're willingly abandoning safety anyway.
 
I personally can't stand C++, but...
 
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10:18 PM
Also, garbage collection still sucks.
 
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Upside: Java has finalize, downside: I can't decide when it's called.
 
at the end of all the things.
 
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Then there's trying to avoid cache misses in Java, which is just unbelievably painful..
 
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finalize is called when stuff is finalized, but the problem is when you have something like an object with resources held by OpenGL and that object gets finalized when the GL context isn't current
 
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So then you try to delete something, cause GL to emit an error, and the resource is still intact in the context because the context wasn't current.
 
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10:20 PM
And now you're leaking resources.
 
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The alternative is adding an explicit free/destroy method to the object, but then you've still got to wait for the GC to collect the object that held the resources
 
Timothy Dexter (January 22, 1748 – October 26, 1806) was an American businessman noted for his writing and eccentricity. Biography Timothy Dexter was born in Malden, Massachusetts. He had little schooling and worked as a farm laborer at the age of 8. When he was 16, he became an apprentice to a leather-dresser. In 1769, he moved to Newburyport, Massachusetts. He married Elizabeth Frothingham, a rich widow, and bought a mansion. Some of his social contemporaries considered him unintelligent. Many of them gave him bad business advice in order to discredit him and make him lose his fortun...
 
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It's just a lousy setup.
 
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So that's my complaint about languages that mandate garbage collection.
 
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I have the same stupid problem in Ruby and Python as well because they all collectively hate sane memory management.
 
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10:24 PM
I wish game developers would respond to bad reviews once receiving them.
 
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Wouldn't that be interesting? Like, actual responses and not corporate responses.
 
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Kind of like the old post-mortem features in Game Developer magazine.
 
me right now
 
Well, I'm going to have to give up for now... Good time I guess to work on my Coursera homework...
 
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I have been so thoroughly annoyed by IDEs that it's nearly impossible to get me to use one now
 
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10:26 PM
Just give me Visual C++ 6 again but with a compiler that doesn't suck
 
I used that for some time actually.
 
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I make myself feel old by not adjusting to new stuff
 
I had to use it at work because there was a fortran library that we had to work with.
 
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Though I still update my install of IntelliJ, so they've clearly got this whole thing down
 
"I guess you could call it a competition of one-upping other shows to see who can get the best/worst "zoomhance" sequence on the air.'
 
10:30 PM
Really? :(
I thought people were genuinely that misinformed
 
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Or finding ways to insert the Wilhelm scream.
 
My theory was that it was propaganda to make the citizenry think that the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc... have super secret IT skills
 
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Oh nice, LG released a smaller G2. With worse specs, but not a huge issue.
 
and to be afraid.
 
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Now if only their software wasn't absolutely horrifying
 
10:40 PM
@PearsonArtPhoto regarding your proguard problem, did you try the "fix project properties" option on your project and did a clean of all referenced libraries? not finding the library.R classes might be a problem with the project setup
 
I think I did, let me try that again however.
 
-dontwarn is probably just hiding the actual problem. When proguard fails to detect that classes are used because it can't see them it might remove them
 
No change to the missing .R files.
 
Hum.. library projects are to my knowledge auto added to proguards "path", for simple .jar libraries you may have to add -libraryjars /path/to/some.jar to your proguard configuration
but you kind of can't do that because there is no jar for library projects
 
I have tried that...
At least, for the main library .jar files.
 
10:46 PM
this is the best zoomhance
 
When updating things, did you update just the eclipse plugin without the sdk manager tools package? (or vice versa)
 
I've tried updating both of them, a few times.
 
What you write about bin/proguard.txt, does that mean that this file is no longer generated?
 
It is remotely possible I had an update that didn't completely go though in the Eclipse SDK prior to attempting the export the first time, but all updates are going though now.
 
Have you guys seen this video?

http://www.vice.com/read/david-bowie-love-is-lost
I did some particle meshing before but nothing this crazy
 
10:50 PM
The file is generated, last one only a few minutes ago.
No updates found to Eclipse or SDK, just verified.
 
Then.. delete the project, must be possessed by the devil
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haha
star
 
I've been beginning to wonder...
 
the devil WOULD obfuscate his code
 
10:56 PM
Well, it's time to eat dinner, so...
 

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