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12:00 AM
while ((diceSum = diceSum2) != point && diceSum2 != 7); ⇐ The real question is why this possibly infinite loop exists.
 
wait what
 
    int point = 2;

    if (point = 3) {

    }
 
compiler won't care that you do an assignment inside your if condition
 
> type mismatch cannot convert from int to bool
 
^
I get this.
 
12:01 AM
^
 
hmm
 
hmmm
 
I sit corrected.
there must be some type of object that makes it not care, because I know for sure in the past I've killed myself by forgetting the second =
 
now, if point was a bool, then the compiler might miss it
 
should test it just to make sure
 
12:02 AM
works for boolean if (foo = true)
 
but then if (myBool == true) is stupid too verbose anyway
 
I don't do it with true, but I do prefer (myBool == false) over (!myBool)
 
true === bool
 
You have to do it object oriented if (Boolean.FALSE.equals(Boolean.valueOf(true)))
 
IMO, if (!isFoo) reads better than if(isFoo == false)
 
12:04 AM
takes notes
 
Don't use zapl as an example of good coding practices
 
o.o
 
My roommate moved out and took my PS3 power cord ;-(
 
lol no more ps3 for you :P
 
I like the long form better, My eyes lose the ! sometimes.
 
12:06 AM
I think it will be easier to find one at a pawn shop than try to track him down...
 
cheap stuff too
so no worries
 
if (isFoo) {
} else {
    // Do stuff
}
 
if(point = diceSum2) {
 
umm...that's what started this whole convo
 
Isn't a PS3 power cord just a jug cord?
Like for a kettle?
 
12:08 AM
Well, if I can't work on my main project, I might as well work on my Coursera homework...
 
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@Code-Guru Ah right, I keep forgetting Java doesn't convert nonzero to true and zero to false
 
Actually, the assignment seems pretty cool this time.
 
whats it about pearson
 
In the US, it looks like this:
err...
 
> You will create a simple application that displays and manipulates graphic images based on user touch input. The application will also play sound files. After completing this lab you should better understand how to draw graphics, implement touch and gesture handling and play sound effects.
 
12:10 AM
I was reading a little about that
I still need to do Week 5, though
 
Did you see the announcement they just sent out Code-Guru?
 
cept mine only has 2 prongs on the PS3 end
yes I did
 
Tempting... I wasn't going to sign up to take the class for credit, but the capstone project could be a lot of fun... Hmmm...
And a chance to be featured on Google Play is always good too.
 
Huh, the PS3 end looks the same doesn't it?
 
hmm...can I use an existing app for the capstone project?
or is it even going to be that open ended?
 
12:13 AM
I'm sure it's somewhat open-ended.
 
How much does it cost for credit anyway?
 
Ohh if you've got a PS3 Slim it's different anyway.
 
I haven't even looked into that
 
I have an ancient 40GB :)
 
$50 x course, 4 courses.
 
12:14 AM
for the whole specialization series, right?
 
$50 ain't too bad....
 
House of cards is getting better and better
love it
 
I might do that if I weren't moving this weekend.
 
Yeah, $50 every few months I could afford.
I'm a bit afraid though for May, my free time is going to become very limited in May...
 
12:15 AM
My free time got pretty slim just this last week.
 
Still, if nothing else, it's something I can put on my resume. Hmmm... Sooner or later I'm going to seriously apply for an Android developer position, and that couldn't hurt...
 
true
I'm in the same boat there. I will eventually start looking more seriously for a Android dev position, too.
 
Good day Android Programmers
 
Howdy, Laux
 
I think I'm going to do the current homework, and if I get it done before the deadline, I'll sign up for the signature track.
 
12:16 AM
I'd say apply now, if you're in a position to switch jobs or w/e. We can't find any Android devs, and we've only had a few iOS devs apply, none of which had much experience. Short supply, big demand.
 
g'day mate
 
heya laux
 
My PS3 power cord looks like this:
 
yeah, if you are willing to dig in and do the work then you should totally start applying even if you don't feel that you have enough credentials
 
12:18 AM
I've sent a few applications out for Android development positions, I usually get interviews, but that's about as far as I get.
 
Oh just a figure 8 cable
Don't you have a bunch of those lying around from monitors and laptop chargers and alarm clocks and the like?
 
that is the same cable I have for my toshiba laptop
 
nope
 
:(
 
all my computer power cords have 3 prongs
 
12:19 AM
Problem is, I'm at a Senior Engineer pay now, and I don't want to drop to a Junior programmer pay...
 
and even then I don't have many of those laying around. Most of my stuff is in storage at my parents'
 
Haha, yeah that's fair enough Pearson.
 
I'm convinced I could get a job as an Android developer, for a $10K/year pay cut...
 
@AdamS can I apply?
 
@AdamS Where are you located?
 
12:25 AM
Profile says New Zeland...
 
Yup, am in New Zealand. Not sure we outsource to Mars sorry Laux!
vista.co.nz/index.php?page=Mobile_Applications_Developer There's the fairly generic ad, it seems to be aimed at iOS devs, but we definitely need Android too, seeing as I'm leaving soon.
 
Wow so we can apply into this?
How about outside of newzealand?
 
If you've got some experience, sure, can't hurt :)
Not sure if/how we hire outside of New Zealand, though we normally hire .NET developers and there's a lot more of them here (though still not enough).
 
12:45 AM
martians are great android programmers, where do you think this tech came from originally?
 
Wow, this new assignment is surprisingly difficult... It's almost like a real project...
 
12:59 AM
just what you needed, some challenge :P
 
1:28 AM
Wow, 4 votes on my Proguard question, without a single comment...
 
you know whats awesome?
 
Me?
 
house of cards?
 
Glass?
 
Still me?
 
1:29 AM
when you're trying to do something, some visual effect, but it totally doesn't work like you thought... instead it's way better and looks much cooler and you never would have thought of doing it that way to begin with.
 
what are you doing assignments for?
 
also yes, all of those things
 
I agree nebulae, that is awesome when it happens
 
except codeTragic of course
 
1:30 AM
codetragic!
oooh burn.
 
(Here comes the Mexican joke in 3...2...1.)
 
I'm working on a Coursera assignment.
 
odelay, Emmanuel!
 
you should do the machine learning course
 
1:31 AM
That was a good burn. But, you still suck
 
I went to school near you pearson
 
I know for a fact that I suck, so nothing new there
 
Oh yeah?
 
Of course you know, I just told you
 
yeah at george washington
 
1:33 AM
I knew from before...
 
Cool. I still don't know all of the colleges/universities near here, but I recognize that one.
 
What's wrong, buddy? Are you down?
 
there's some android jobs in the dc area, but mostly its military contracting
which is why I left
 
I work with Satellites actually, commercial stuff.
 
no, not really, looking for apartments suck though
 
1:34 AM
Oh I see, so you dont want to do android for a job?
 
I've applied to both of the Android dev spots I know of in the area, and had a phone interview with both.
 
That does suck
 
Nope, just for the fun of it.
 
we thought we found a place
pictures looked nice
 
But...
 
1:35 AM
when we got there we where in the middle of the ghetto
 
lol
 
like, my first experience entering the neighborhood
 
I watched a documentary on that one public housing place in st louis
 
It couldn't be that bad lol
 
I stopped at a pedestrian crossing to let these two women go by, and they told me:
 
1:36 AM
where they demolished it because it got so bad lol
 
"Move your ass, I am freezing here"
 
Wow!
 
it is so weird here
 
And you were trying to let them go! That's crazy!
Probably not used to people (Mexicans) being polite...
 
nice and bad neighborhoods are literally 3 blocks apart
yeah, I replied with a "What's up ESE?"
 
1:38 AM
I've watched a documentary about the ghettos in hamburg once. And suddenly they show a place, introducing with "the biggest ghetto in hamburg... with the most crime and youth unemployment rate" and I was like, I know that place. A few of my friends live there.
 
Lol
 
and threw my MS-13 gang signs
 
lol
 
it was a good experience for my wife though
 
How is that?
 
1:39 AM
she never believes me when I tell her
 
that ghettos are real?
 
"look, down that there is really bad, do not go there alone"
she is like
"it can't be that bad"
well today....her face...ohhh....priceless
 
I bet!
 
one good thing about ghettos in Germany
is that people do not seem that mean when they speak
All Germans sound mean when they speak
 
it should actually be spelled germean
 
1:43 AM
Yeah, Ahmad just looks like he would sound mean
 
Ahmad is so angry in this video he turned white
 
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Huh, MGS5 is $30 O-o
 
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Wait, no, it's apparently.. a different game? I'm confused.
 
that kid is crazy...
 
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Huh, so Ground Zeroes is one thing and Phantom Pain is another..
 
1:48 AM
he made a video afterwards saying it was all fake
 
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I'm starting to get Half-Life 2 Episode 3 vibes
 
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Yeah, that's a really old video and really fake.
 
Hmm...
 
why does is simulate an empty battery
 
Plug your computer in, Code!
 
1:50 AM
Finally finished this feature I've been working on.
"Oh, that'll take an afternoon"
30 hours of work later :|
 
Hmmm...afternoons are shorter here in America...
You should move
 
haha
 
Working on it!
 
Why is everyone here fixated on the low battery in my emulator?
 
No, you are working on moving to Canada
2
 
1:52 AM
That's a part of North America.
 
@Emmanuel lol!
 
But it isn't part of America
 
So, uh, technically I'm correct.
 
You are correct. I should have been more clear...
 
=p
 
1:53 AM
I was talking about the U.S. I don't know how long afternoons last in Canada. We would have to ask neb
 
And one thing. People don't speak german in german ghettos.
 
We tried the USA, but visas are too hard for my fiance. No one wants to hire journalists from overseas.
 
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America != United States
 
> America != United States
 
Sure it does!
 
1:53 AM
What?!?
What do they speak, Ahmad???
 
Mostly a mix of turkish, broken german or another middle eastern language
 
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So, gypsies?
 
The "Americas" include north, south, and central. But if you say America to an American they will think U.S.A.
 
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I'm an American and I associate America with South America, actually.
 
So about the same as ghettos here. They don't speak English.
Weird...why is that, nil?
 
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1:55 AM
I have no idea why, but eh
 
Yeah there are quite a few gypsies actually
 
gypsies are Rumanian
 
I know Oh you saying that to nil
 
yes
 
nil is an outlier
 
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1:59 AM
nil is weird.
3
 
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He also makes questionable domain name purchases.
 
did you buy nilisweird.com?
 
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I already discussed what I just bought on NSChat
 
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Still not sure what I'm going to use my new domain names for
 
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2:01 AM
And .net
 
You are weird
lol
 
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It's a Tool song.
 
Ahhh shit. I appear to have forgotten a minor UI element. pulls work item back
30+1 hours, then.
 
oh oh. I might have just gotten me the deal of my life. A friend wants me to develop an app for 50€.
...
 
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You gonna be rich
 
2:05 AM
Super rich
 
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Welcome to the offers I get from my neighbors.
 
I'll be able to buy 1/20 of the new macbook I want
 
So that app must be something that takes me half an hour to develop, right?
I'll make your friend a Hello World app for that price;-)
 
Don't know, I bet not
He's still typing
 
Shoot, I'll even toss in a name.
 
2:07 AM
A FUCKING CHAT APP
WTF
"So yeah you could do the design and stuff, shouldn't be that hard, right?"
 
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I want to point out that I got $400 to write an app that displays a list and webviews.
 
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It was 330 lines.
 
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Did your friend seriously say that?
 
YES
 
As I understand it, that's pretty much the going rate for that kind of app nil.
 
2:08 AM
He just wrote that
 
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@PearsonArtPhoto I'd never pay more than $10 for a list app but I ain't complaining
 
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I just sort of go "booyah easy money"
 
That's cause you could write it.
 
write*
 
Wow, my mind is gone...
 
2:09 AM
hah.
He wants me to quote him a price lol
 
What are you going to tell him? $40K or something? More?
 
I told him 35k
haha adam I just went to this site
 
Wow, I guessed pretty close:-)
Same here actually.
 
That was the first thing that came up googling
 
2:13 AM
I came up with 28.5K, but that's probably low...
 
"Haha, I don't have that much, but I could give you 150€"
No, thanks.
 
Heh, yeah, I've seen it before. Will be using it in future.
 
remember what we were talking about Ahmad
 
Get texts out of the blue "Hey I hear you make apps now well I've got this idea.."
"Have you looked on the app store to see if it's been made already?"
"Er, no"
 
people just think that because an app has some familiar functionality it should be easy
 
2:14 AM
:|
 
The one guy that approached you with a similar idea the other day emmaunuel?
 
yeah
apparently an app that allows you to buy a product, receipt record, Facebook integration, etc
is easy to make
 
Tell them to shop around, and come back when they've done it.
I don't know anyone who'd make a chat app for anything less than $10K...
I sure wouldn't do it...
 
I told this guy
 
2:17 AM
"here use this estimator, I will charge you half that amount"
 
Gotta mention ongoing server, support costs too, which this site doesn't cover.
Maintenance, new features, marketing
 
Oh right
That's at least 1k a month
For a small app
 
Yeah.
 
all cloud based, all free
 
So you'll be supporting about 20 users then?
:D
 
2:22 AM
yep
 
But seriously, how did he think I would create him a full blown app for 50€?
 
Hmmm, can I do this and have it apply the 8dp to all sides except the left?
`android:padding="8dp"`
`android:paddingLeft="16dp"`
 
People don't get it
 
Argh
 
Out of the blue he sends me a message on 3AM lol
 
2:24 AM
LOL ahmad
that video was funny
 
Adam: ctrl + k
android:padding="8dp"
android:paddingLeft="16dp"
 
Nope, I cannot. Carry on.
Ooooh I see.
Can I Ctrl+K in a SO question/answer box too?
 
no, it's cmd + k there
 
:P
 
Hmm tbh I haven't checked ctrl + k yet. I always use cmd+k.
 
2:26 AM
I'm on a Windows machine rn. So let's find out.
 
Ah ctrl + k works there as well haha :P
 
Oooh. Highlight + CtrlK
Nice.
 
I wish I had a lawyer for contracting
I'm so bad with that stuff
 
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I usually get other people's lawyers to write up the contracts and then I just modify the contract and have their lawyer look at it because then I'm not on the hook for it
 
I'd be finding a lawyer asap if I was contracting, to get a base contract drawn up for me so that new contracts with clients can be done quickly.
 
2:29 AM
client lawyers usually try to get the best deal for THEM though
 
Cos some of the stories you hear...
 
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Which is why you always modify the contract.
 
Emmanuel did you check the actual site? clientsfromhell.net/clientstories
It's great
 
I was going through it right now
from the video I posted
"we would get that for free if we had the resources or talent"
LOL
 
2:48 AM
Hmm I'm thinking
if I should stay awake through the night
and go to sleep tomorrow before midnight
this should (once again) fix my sleep cycle
I could get more things done
 
3:03 AM
Wow, that assignment took a whole 2 hours...
 
purdy
 
What's that?
Bubbles?
 
Yep. Basically, the assignment has you create a new bubble when you click on a blank area, pop created bubbles if there's one under you, and fling them around otherwise.
It was a fun little assignment, and possibly useful for my next app.
 
@AdamS Annoyingly, no. The padding attribute trumps padding[left/right/top/bottom]. :/ Same with margins.
 
And they randomly move/rotate as well. I forgot that part.
 
3:18 AM
That's good to know, kc. I've suspected that was the case but haven't tested yet
On a lighter note, SO changed the color of pending edits to a maroon color, which I'm quite happy about
 
Haha, cool.
 
kcoppock, have you ever been to andevcon?
It looks like it may be mostly a way for people/companies to advertise themselves but if I can go on the company dime then I think it's still worth it...
 
I've heard it's worth going to
But I've not been myself
 
Ok, nice. So probably not going this year either?
 
No plans to, currently.
 
3:23 AM
I've never been to Boston and there are some home Red Sox games so I think I will plan on going
Murphy has a talk about memory management that should be interesting and I believe there is something about Bluetooth, which I would like to see
 
Bluetooth LE? Or just standard bluetooth?
 
From what I read, it would cover LE but start with a more general view
 
My (somewhat limited) experience with BTLE on Android has not been positive. :(
 
Which I'm good either way. I've successfully implemented BT but I've had some issues so I'm ok with seeing if I could be doing something better
 
Could be that I'm using it wrong, but it seems to be a common opinion
Yeah definitely, never hurts to learn
 
3:32 AM
Oh, really? That sucks
Especially if it's paid for :D
I've recently been having issues but I'm pretty sure it's due to hardware issues
Anyway, I am always open to seeing how others do things and hopefully learning something
 
Hmm, nope, not familiar with that name
I've actually gotta run though, ttyl! o/
 
Me too...getting to bed. Talk to you later
 
Ooh just got @ pinged on the mobile app. That's nice. Chat is still external/in the browser tho
 
3:51 AM
is the talk on BLE given by Dario Laverde?
 
4:14 AM
Heya, Everyone :)
 
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Big-little-endianness?
 
Bluetooth Low Energy
 
hello
 
4:24 AM
Heya JMR
 
just playing with this, seems legit but wanted to confirm
sqlite can handle select * where x is not null right
 
I guess so
as sqlite can handle this, select * where x is null
 
ok, thanks
 
em, I have added you in google plus
^^
 
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I hereby curse all of you with mixed-endianness problems.
 
4:39 AM
hmmm
broadcast receivers
 
nil, endianness is a term in C , Right ?
 
im trying to figure out if i can remotely unregister a receiver
 
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Endianness is not a C thing. It's an architecture thing.
 
Ohh, okay
 
maybe i should refer to the receiver as a static variable owned by the application?
well i need to receiver in my receiver this is awkward
im almost certain im doing this wrong, lol
 

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