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6:00 PM
In grooming my beard this morning I snapped a selfie
beards rock.
 
@RyanTernier Don't go to Jimmy Johns.
 
Thats more like a neckbeard
 
I passed a jimmy johns on the way to lunch
not good?
 
@KalaJ I was referring to the fact that their CEO is a big trophy hunter, and Ryan posted a picture of a Lion.
 
6:03 PM
ohh lol
 
I bow hunt
Not a fan of trophy hunting by using bait. However, if I'm going to shoot a deer and I see a massive one or a tiny one, I know what one I'm going to shoot
 
@KalaJ I heard misual visual academy has good videos
 
@RyanTernier Agreed. I rifle hunt in the wilderness, not on bait traps.
 
THe dentist that shot CEcil was a tard, but 2000 lions are shot every year in Africa.
Just shows mob mentality
It's also sad how killing a lion causes that kind of reaction, and planned parenthood is just hushed
 
I've heard more about planned parenthood than Cecil.
 
6:16 PM
Up here in Canada where we are inundated with hippies and tree hugger PETA lovers, it's all about the lion.
 
I get all my news from BBC anyways, can't trust US news to tell the right stories.
 
omg these guys make every single parameter of the methods generic object, and all return values as out string
 
what does params as object provide? besides a headache?
 
@tweray but then I can pass it ANYTHING :D
and get "magic" in return.
 
I don't find the planned parenthood thing very disturbing, to be honest.
 
6:24 PM
me either.
 
Not sure why I should care. I think people are just disgusted by abortion, and any attention drawn to it results in outrage.
But maybe I'm just really not getting something.
 
Yeah, I mean it sucks that those cells could have been an awesome person, but I also think the things people are doing with those cells are very important.
 
@Jeremy, why? lol
 
@KalaJ type "!!misualvisual"
 
when you lose ~2,000,000 people worth of cells every time you try to make one of those people it becomes less magical...
 
6:27 PM
Okay so now lets see. How is this going to work...
 
@TomW - Nice :D
 
They contract from a company that uses some extremely unethical and probably illegal marketing. Nobody has shown that the profit motivation mentioned by the contractor has influenced PP's methods. And that is coming from a point of view of finding it increasingly difficult to justify any form of legal abortion as I get older.
 
lol
 
haha
 
One the contestants on that show Alone made a boat with an axe, a knife, and a tree.
Alone I meant. Stupid Lost. Worst ending ever.
 
6:32 PM
@TomW Yeah. I don't think anybody likes abortions. "I'll have sex, and if I'm really lucky, I'll get an abortion! If I'm really lucky, I might even be able to get one in my third trimester!" said nobody ever
 
@Jeremy but there are people who would be influenced by professional advice into having one where they might not have otherwise, and it's become apparent that Planned Parenthood has been offered the opportunity to make a profit by doing so.
People ought to be pretty unhappy about that, but there's no evidence that I'm aware of that it actually has influenced them into behaving unethically
And I say that even as a person who struggles to justify permitting it at all.
 
live.asp.net bout time D:
 
@TomW I agree. Seems like several jumps to get to this possibly impacting patient care, services, and counselling they provide.
 
@ton.yeung the company that brokers organs to research establishments uses marketing material that talks about the opportunity to make a healthy profit from selling fetal organs
Yes, which is illegal
For profit. You're allowed to cover costs
 
@ton.yeung - It was for a long time. There was an executive order that made it illegal in 2002. It was overturned in 2009.
Aren't the people getting the abortions more of an issue than the actual place that does them? Calling the place out is kind of like calling guns out. The focus should be on the person not the facility.
I mean, Planned Parenthood may facilitate that, but they also do a large amount of good for women's health in general and help people prevent from getting pregnant if they are not ready for a child.
 
6:42 PM
@TravisJ The same as guns; the option being available influences people's mentality
So the reasoning goes.
 
@TomW I'm less convinced by this argument. It was used against marijuana legalization efforts in Washington and Colorado. Years later (legalized), marijuana use is down in both states.
 
@TravisJ School shooters wouldn't even attempt to murder a bunch of people if there weren't guns available to make it easy for them. It's debatable whether the idea would occur to them or not. It's not the guns' fault, but they're the influencing factor
 
@TomW - I think the influencing factor is usually some version of special needs (mental disorder).
 
@ton.yeung er no? Just regulate them.
 
The problem in the US is that too many guns are already in circulation
 
6:46 PM
I am all for limiting the availability of guns though. Even still, with regulation, that doesn't mean every gun store needs to be shut down.
 
You can "regulate" them, but it wont do anything.
 
I thought you meant like Warren G
 
@JGrindal people murder people all the time, let's just not prosecute murders, there are just too many
They'll still do it
 
not the same thing
 
What's the difference?
 
6:48 PM
@TomW - In the 70's we tried to not use the death penalty for murders and it was similar to your satire. Except it went horribly wrong and now the death penalty is a viable option.
 
@ton.yeung Yeah. They aren't shown to have done anything wrong, but they use a supplier who blatantly encourages breaking the law
That's the story.
 
So, PP sells to the supplier at cost, and the supplier turns around and tries to turn a profit?
 
That was one of the first things Bush did
It may have even been in 2001
 
@jeremy, lol it's old now ;P shhhh
 
No, it was ridiculous because along with that was a ban on stem cell research.
 
6:51 PM
!!tell KalaJ misualvisual
 
Now we are a lot better about stem cell research, they can get a lot of it from bone marrow.
Stem cell research is freaking awesome though. If you secretly fantasize about getting an artificially grown organ later in life then that is only going to happen with stem cell research.
And it is going to seem very unnatural. It will probably freak a lot of people out.
Correct
Well, it isn't exactly ideal. I would call it bad also. But it is better than just placing them in a furnace if it goes towards life saving research.
 
@TomW how do you propose regulating the millions of firearms already in circulation in the US?
I'm not saying I'm opposed to it, I'm just saying I don't think it can be done. RE: gun regualtion
 
The whole situation sucks.
 
6:58 PM
oh man, 118 users in 40 rooms
 
@JGrindal Make the law, a suitably stringent one depending on the political persuasion of the people making it. Then enforce it. The number of offenders has nothing whatsoever to do with what should or should not be done
 
So for some reason by telling .NET to ignore certification errors I end up breaking other things.
 
For practicality's sake you'll probably want to crank the thumbscrews slowly
 
@TomW But what would the regulation be, and how would you enforce it? It's easy to say that, but in practice its unbelievably difficult, even harder dealing with legacy stuff.
 
@TomW We already kill people for killing people. No dice. Violent crime still relatively high.
 
6:59 PM
I ignored certificates and now it can't create a secure connection? Idk wtf is going on
 
@TomW There are thousands of unregistered, untraced weapons in the US right now. I don't know how you would begin to get records of them.
 
@JGrindal You say that as though there is a time limit on bringing that number down
 
Furthermore, how would you deal with decommissioning weapons? How would you deal with the resources associated with tracking sales/inheiritance/theft of weapons? I mean, we do a little of it today with new weapon sales, but even that is spotty at best, and it doesn't even touch existing weapons.
@TomW If there is a law regulating weapons, it would have to be timeframed.
 
@ton.yeung yeah, ban that. Arrest anyone who does that and put them in prison
 
I own 16 guns. Would I need to register them? In order to register them, do I need to pay a fee?
 
7:02 PM
@JGrindal Yes and why not
 
So the government is going to charge me a fee in order to own something I already own?
 
It's not the guns that suck. It's our society that sucks. When innocent people die, it's our society that failed the shooter, too.
 
@JGrindal they do it with cars, don't they?
 
@TomW No.
 
What's a licence plate?
Do you pay a fee to get a licence?
 
7:03 PM
Same for abortions. If a couple's stupid and gets pregnant but can't bring a child to term for one reason or another, it's at least partly society's fault for failing to educate them on birth control and the possible consequences of not being careful.
 
A license plate is to drive on public streets. I don't need one to drive my truck on my ranch
nor do I need to get my truck inspected for private property driving.
Nor do I need to put regulated low-sulfer diesel in it.
 
why the fuck do people still do coding interviews on whiteboards
 
@Pheonixblade9 Tradition?
 
@JGrindal you pay tax on a car/truck that has already been taxed
 
I was told that I'd be doing an Android development problem without an IDE. Who the fuck codes without an IDE? Why am I judged on my ability to code without an IDE when 99.9% of the time I am using an IDE
 
7:05 PM
Chalkboards are outdated?
And Google... why can't I use google everywhere!
 
@Pheonixblade9 Because nobody knows shit about how to hire software engineers
 
I'm not even irritated that I didn't get the real estate job, sounded like a shit gig anyways
but now Nordstrom sends me this email:
 
software development practices are basically religion.
 
@juanvan ?? How do you figure? I paid sales tax on my truck when I bought it, but that's it.
 
We were recently submitted your resume in consideration for our Android Developer role, after reviewing your information we’re interested in scheduling a phone screen with you but first wanted to make sure you would be comfortable building a native app without the use of an IDE as this is part of our screening process.
 
7:07 PM
@Pheonixblade9 Wait wait wait. Why wouldn't you be able to use an IDE?
 
@JGrindal correct and when you sell it, they will pay tax but that car has already been taxed
 
@JGrindal because reasons
 
@juanvan That's a new transaction, there's a new title transfer.
 
there is a title fee
 
@JGrindal unregistered usage of a vehicle on private land is quite niche. But anyway, I don't see the distinction
 
7:09 PM
the company that sell us printers: we have no idea how to send printer code to our printers, can you send us some sample code?
 
@JGrindal anyway, in response to:
> I own 16 guns. Would I need to register them? In order to register them, do I need to pay a fee?
I'm the government, you do as you're told
 
@TomW I go back to my point: you're proposing to charge me a fee to continue to own something I already own.
 
Yes, and? Making sure you're doing it legally costs money. Where else is that money going to come from?
 
@tweray tell them only if they can provide sample output
 
@TomW What if I can't afford the fee? Are you going to sieze my guns?
 
7:12 PM
you bet your ass they will
 
@JGrindal - In that case they would be considered unregistered. Which is a felony.
 
I suppose so. If you aren't paying the registration fee, they're unregistered. This is a hypothetical set of regulations
There are certain costs to enjoying certain privileges. And I know that word is going to get a reaction, so let it play out
 
@TravisJ But I owned them free and clear, legally yesterday. Then you passed a law stating that it WASN'T legal. That's ex-post-facto.
 
I don't think new law would be retroactive though. Which is to say that any new regulations for registering a gun would probably grandfather in already owned weapons.
 
@TravisJ Exactly.
 
7:13 PM
Or perhaps just make it free to register already owned ones.
 
Well if the hypothetical law is useless, don't pass it. Pass one that isn't useless
 
In other words, guns already owned or in circulation would HAVE to be expempt from that, supposing they stay with their original owners.
 
Yes, or some version of that. It couldn't be used as an excuse to seize them. That would be against the fourth amendment.
 
but there's no way to verify if they're WITH their original owners.
 
That is where the other side comes in though.
The enforcement side.
If you are caught with a weapon not belonging to you then there is a harsher punishment.
 
7:14 PM
meaning there are MILLIONS of weapons out there which would be exempt from the regulation.
 
Yes, there are definitely older weapons which would be exempt. Perhaps there could be a free swap?
 
@TravisJ But officer, I've owned this here 308 since I was a wee lil pup plinking coffee cans in my da's backyard.
 
Turn in your old weapon, get a new replacement free which is then registered to you.
Similar to cash for clunkers.
@JGrindal - How did you own it that long without it being registered? Honest question because I am not super familiar with that.
 
@JGrindal The person who physically presents it is presumed to be the owner. Now I don't suggest you go and physically present your 16 guns at a police station. That would have certain consequences
@ton.yeung with the implication that therefore one shouldn't try
 
Look, I'm all for responsible gun ownership. All of my guns are registered, including (ATF Class 3 weapons), but I also recognize that it's damn near impossible to regulate retroactively.
If there was a way in which it could be reasonably done, I'd be there day 1.
 
7:19 PM
I think the mass murders have for the most part recently obtained weapons prior to committing their crime for the most part.
 
@TravisJ You can buy a gun at a gun show and then just keep it in your garage.
 
Either from cross state black market internet purchases, or from simply buying them at big 5.
@JGrindal - Is that still a thing?
 
@JGrindal yeah, so that should definitely be banned. No unregistered sales anywhere at any time. Any new sales, including person to person, must entail registration
 
@TravisJ Sadly, yeah.
 
I think just doing new sales would be enough.
 
7:20 PM
@TomW I agree with that.
 
And then just clamp down on black market stuff.
 
Inheritance counts.
 
I'm even for doing full background/mental health checks prior to purchasing weapons.
 
@TomW Heh. There's a nice solution. Bet you people wouldn't claim some of them, though.
 
I think 2 day holds are reasonable.
Go in to a gun store, buy a gun, come back 2 days later to pick it up and pay for it.
 
7:21 PM
Yeah a background check would definitely help.
Especially if law enforcement offered it as a free service.
 
I've never had a hunting trip that I didn't know about more than 2 days in advance.
 
@JGrindal Funny story, my buddy was treasurer of the university rifle club in his time there. He wrote the paragraph about barring members in case of mental instability. He later was diagnosed with depression and barred from his own club by his own rule
 
Licensed gun retailer? Free background checks through some sort of online service.
 
I expect the way he worded it, he is not known for his tact, was probably in some way discriminatory as well, not that that seemed to be scrutinised
 
@TomW I don't know that "funny" is the right word lol
OK, that's funny.
 
7:22 PM
Yeah that is unfortunate. I think there needs to be classes of mental instability to help with this type of thing too.
 
He's now lost his licence because he's not a member of a club, and can't rejoin that club, and there are no others nearby
 
Normal depression is not usually associated with outward violence.
 
@TravisJ In fairness, neither is schizophrenia (objectively). That doesn't stop a stigma, though.
 
Has anyone used the Crucible REST API?
 
Whereas other disorders, such as Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), are definitely associated with that.
 
7:23 PM
In the UK sport shooters have to be a member of a registered sport shooting organisation. Hunters and landowners aren't required to though. The reason for ownership has to be specified on being granted a licence
 
@TomW It's like Nomic in real life :S
 
@Griffin - Does it offer grimoire point queries?
@KendallFrey - You missed the opportunity for a dead baby joke.
Just sayin'
 
where?
 
here, but like 30 minutes ago
 
@TravisJ What? I don't know....
 
7:25 PM
@TomW - Usually highly trained people aren't the ones that commit that type of crime though.
 
I don't like dead baby jokes because they make me look like a psycho when they always make me laugh.
 
@Griffin - Sorry, bad Destiny reference.
@KendallFrey - lol
 
@TravisJ yeah, so people who aren't, can't have them
 
@TravisJ As Einstein clearly demonstrated, "where" also implies "when"
 
@KendallFrey - Yes, if you have observed either the where or the when, so I guess that still applies.
 
7:29 PM
OK, I'm gonna bite the bullet. I need a C# consultant to help me. I'm looking at some existing code which is very well documented, but I can't follow it because I'm still new to nontheoretical implementation of code.
If you can help walk me through this, I'll pay you dollar monies.
 
Will offer free advice if it doesn't take more than a few minutes and can has pastebin.
 
@JGrindal is it looking like a five minute job, or five hours, or five days?
 
It's a few hours.
@ton.yeung You're damn skippy.
 
Don't sell yourself short @ton :P
 
@JGrindal If it can hold on until w/b 17th, I can definitely spare some time.
I expect that's probably useless though.
 
7:31 PM
 
@JGrindal yeah what he said. It's getting a bit late for me to be starting a job now, or indeed most weekdays
But I'm interested in principle
 
@ton.yeung Sure, got a link to your profile, or you can shoot me one.
 
I had an idea for a product the other day
 
@ton.yeung accepted, I'll send you a note on LI
 
You've all heard of the Pomodoro Technique yeah?
Light-up Pomodoro you can pin to the back of your chair. When it's ticking it's red. When it times out it goes green and people are welcome to disturb you
It doesn't distract you because it's on the back of your chair
If you're a normal human being, you can set it to 20 minutes. If you're aspie you can set it to 18 hours or whatever
 
7:38 PM
mega-aspie = never turns green
 
@TomW - I just put on headphones when I don't want to be interrupted.
 
can i have it life time?
 
@TravisJ Nobody wants to be interrupted.
Unless they work on Sharepoint
 
Sometimes I am okay with being interrupted when I am doing something that is mundane but required because it isn't hard to pick up where I left off.
 
But yeah, see...Sometimes people have to. It's better for your productivity if you constrain them to narrow, fixed windows when they can do so, but still allow you to get some work done
 
7:39 PM
Sometimes I am in the guts of an algorithm and it takes a lot of time to pick back up where I left off.
 
@TravisJ Yeah, so give yourself an hour. Your colleagues probably actually do need to talk to you though, so you should set a time when you come up for air
If they learn to predict your cadence so much the better
@ton.yeung Is it timed?
@ton.yeung so do you tend to go red all day so that if someone actually does need to talk to you, they have to ignore it?
I should so buy and hotwire one
Then you'll see!
 
For example, I wrote this monstrosity the other day and really wasn't up for being interrupted during it.
 
@ton.yeung so do you not get many interruptions?
 
I didn't expect so much wall =/
 
IMHO the notion of a timeout is useful. I know I will have to be interrupted, but I'd like to interleave it with productive periods of work. The point of the pomodoro technique is that there's an optimum productive period for most people
 
7:44 PM
I have to interface with 5 people on an almost hourly basis.
And one of them I directly have to manage, although they are getting a little more independent.
 
@TravisJ uhuh, so set it to an hour. When an hour elapses, conversation can occur
 
@TomW - It doesn't help that my screen takes up half a wall.
Everything I do is visible :)
 
I reckon I could make a mint on thinkgeek
I'm not at work, but I have started on the bourbon
This is where Steve dips in just to call me a motherfucker
Steve Jobs
Even though he's dead
 
@ton.yeung It's a big assembly, 70k lines all in all (I don't need to understand all 70k, just how things are getting started)
@ton.yeung Sweet. Yeah, I'm around.
OK, if I don't answer, shoot me a text.
@ton.yeung Awesome, thanks so much.
 
Restructured everything for Javascript. Now it make no real sense and looks stupid as hell.... but I think it works. Yay?
 
7:59 PM
@Griffin "Suppose I wrote some Javascript. Then suppose I wrote some code that looks stupid - but I repeat myself"
 

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