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3:00 PM
If anyone wants to have a fun with Blockchain and Bitcoin: blockchainprogramming.azurewebsites.net
 
heck of a book he did
 
Hell yeah, it was fun to get more into blockchain with Part 1, im gonna dive into Part 2 for a few days now.
 
I wish I got into BTC when it was only $17 a coin :(
 
wish I did not toss out the hard drive that had a 20ish on it
 
@CuddleBunny I did, and then decided "this is stupid" and stopped.
which of us is worse.
 
3:09 PM
I wish there was no MtGox :D
 
Yeah, I wrote it off because I found it would take $22 worth of electricity to generate my $17 coin... D:
Didn't expect it to inflate so hard, but now it takes an absurd amount of time to generate a coin.
 
But it amazed me how Bitcoin (the currency) is just a first "app" in the distributed database Blockchain. You can basically built voting systems, domain registerations, everything p2p.
 
friend of mine lost 400 BTC to MtGox. Not sure if tragic or hilarious.
 
@Squiggle Considering it would take me almost 4 years to make that much money, ouch...
 
yarp
 
3:12 PM
@CuddleBunny on the peak 1 BTC was around $1200 I guess :D
 
I wrote a tiny IMAP library (for my email client). Obviously, I don't want the user to have to always enter their username and password everytime they open the app if they don't want to.

How should I safely-as-possible and ethically store the user's password on their machine, so that my app can retrieve it next time the user opens the app?
 
@Marek okay then make that 12 years lol...
 
lol
 
windows credentials store
if you can find a managed wrapper for it
 
@StevenLiekens I never thought of that, but I see it a lot. Thanks, I'll look into it.
 
3:15 PM
@Marek I was hoping for those times to come again. I'm currently 23% down on a BTC position. I should have cashed out when it was +21%. Stupid of me!
I would expect that the complete idiots (me) outnumber the people who have some idea what they're doing in trading, on BTC. So what it'll do in response to market movements is pretty unpredictable
 
the kinda swing a heg mangers hates to hear
 
I don't think trading btc, stocks or whatever is good for anything, its just gambling, the 10% of people whose balance is positive are just making money out of others loosing it.
I had some satoshis on gox and lost ofc. After that experience I created cold wallet and waiting till 1 btc will be like 1m $ then cash out.
 
@RoelvanUden You still here?
Anyone know what the best practice is in JS for mapping View models to Domain models?
 
@Marek I wholeheartedly disagree. I trade commodities and it most certainly isn't gambling, its a business. You take a calculated risk for the opportunity of profit.
 
Roll your own?
 
3:20 PM
@Sippy use eval
I'll show myself out
 
@JGrindal calculated risk for the opportunity of profit == gamble
 
@JGrindal You are into politics, right :D?
 
@Sippy why map in JS?
 
@CuddleBunny ?
 
@Sippy or do you mean with node.js or something.
 
3:21 PM
In Backbone for instance
 
@Sippy OK, if that's a gamble, then every investment is always a gamble.
 
Where you have data models which have inbuilt methods by Backbone
But you don't wanna use those for viewmodels surely.
@JGrindal Depends on the nature of the investment.
 
@JGrindal I guess it is not gamble once you do not do that periodically, imho.
 
If you're investing in order to make money, yeah it is.
 
@Sippy Not according to your boolean.
 
3:22 PM
@Sippy a buddy has used this: github.com/Meettya/backbone.viewmodel
 
If you're investing in order to further research, it doesn't matter if you make money or not.
@JGrindal Are you a politician?
 
@Sippy In my life, I've started 4 businesses, 3 of which have been successful. Have I been gambling with those?
 
Cos you just took one thing that I said, made it something else and asserted based on it.
@JGrindal Yes?
 
@Sippy No, I'm an engineer, haha.
 
I just wanted to say that buying stuff with $ is just buying stuff with $, buying stuff with BTC is FREAKING REVOLUTION! haha
 
3:23 PM
@JGrindal 2016.
 
Hence the 4th which wasn't successful?
 
@Marek yup, it's totally gambling for me.
 
Just because you're good at it doesn't mean it's not gambling
 
But only because I don't know jack
 
There are investors who do well and make millions over long careers only to lose it all at the last hurdle.
That's a gamble if ever I saw one :D
 
3:24 PM
I think there is a difference between gambling and investing though. Gambling implies that you're throwing it out on a whim, rather than relying on research, hard work and preparation.
 
Nature of the game.
@JGrindal I disagree, but ok.
You can gamble in the gaming sense the same way you invest.
 
@JGrindal what bothers me is that my understanding is that it's impossible to make money in an efficient market. With so much information out there and so much money at stake in utilising that information, where are the rubes to make your profit from?
 
@Sippy That just tells me you're not an entrepreneur.
 
Or you can invest in the gaming sense the same way you gamble.
Lol
 
I agree that there are lots of people in the markets that are gamblers.
 
3:25 PM
In other words, how can you compete, realistically, with people who are colocated with the stock exchange and always get information faster than you do, for example
 
woo sweeping statements and generalisations
 
@Sippy I know its fun, right? Just like your politician statement! We're generalization buddies now!
 
I didn't assert
I questioned
I don't presume to tell you that you're a bad investor
You can be a good investor same as you can be a good gambler.
 
@TomW You're assuming a fully efficient market, though. That doesn't exist.
 
@JGrindal My assumption is that it's just too hard for an 'ordinary' person (someone not working for an investment firm, although that might be their own) to have enough information or enough aptitude to come out on top.
 
3:27 PM
Being a bad driver doesn't mean you don't drive.
 
@TomW Now THAT, I agree with.
 
@JGrindal yeah, I know it doesn't. I've always suspected it doesn't exist
 
@Sippy View models in JS? Not sure what you're asking.
 
@RoelvanUden Backbone
 
I don't use Backbone.. ever.
 
3:27 PM
lel
 
@JGrindal so are you or have you been a professional?
 
I think there are lots of people who think that they can walk into a stock/futures/forex market and make a quick buck, and they wind up making terrible decisions.
 
I wouldn't ever use Backbone either, seems counterintuitive to me.
 
@TomW I am not, no, but I've stuck predominately to things I understand and have done pretty well overall.
 
@RoelvanUden I think it works similarly to MVC, so should I just suggest they roll their own?
pass in data model, pass out viewmodel, vice versa.
 
3:31 PM
I'd like to. I think I'd have to be really, really bored for finance reference material to edge out programming in competition for my mindshare, though
 
@Sippy Pretty much yeah.. but there is no real point in JS IMHO.
 
@Sippy I think "roll your own" is more often than not the right choice in JS because most of the libraries have too much extra junk you won't use.
 
@Sippy I'm sorry if I came across as condescending, it certainly wasn't my intent.
 
Refactoring is going to break everything anyway in JS, since there is no real 'rename' and such. So why bother with a VM? If it's gonna break anyway... but if it's TS, then yes, VM is awesome.
 
YEAH WE HAVE A TECHNICAL PROMOTION TRACK IT'S CALLED THE DOOR GET OUT
TOO REAL
 
3:32 PM
2real4u
 
@ton.yeung backbone
 
hey sorry im late i didnt want to come
 
@TomW Write programs for algorithmic trading. It's what I'm working on right now =)
 
@JGrindal You must like math.
 
@ton.yeung not
I answered a question earlier based on an assumption
 
3:35 PM
@RoelvanUden Love it.
 
They were asking whether or not to use View models or Data models in views in Backbone
 
@JGrindal Guessed so. Your job is more math than software after all.
 
So I whiteknighted and went all USE VIEW MODELS
COS THEY'RE GUD
 
Funky predictive modelling with corrections and shit I suppose?
 
now you tell me viewmodels are pointless in js
i just disagree then I don't have to change my answer
viewmodels - always relevant
 
3:36 PM
Not pointless.. just.. less useful. IMHO
 
@RoelvanUden Multivariate Bayesian Regression is your friend =)
 
@RoelvanUden Is refactoring the biggest reason you use viewmodels?
 
@JGrindal No, not that one. I've seen better ones. I can't recall the name..
 
I think it still helps with view specific info, cos you can't store that in backbone data models I don't think
 
@JGrindal that has also crossed my mind :)
 
3:37 PM
@Sippy Disconnect view from model, allow change/refractor without affecting other components, but yes, it's the biggest reason for me (in JS anyway, since you don't need new constructs to bind things etc)
 
@ton.yeung That's where I was going with it, yeah
@RoelvanUden hmm
worth keeping in mind
I don't plan on doing anything fancy with JS anyway, wanna move straight to TS :D
 
Deleted a ton of code today
 
Cos fuck JS.
 
project remains 80% complete
 
hahaha
 
3:38 PM
@TomW I'm working on a few projects right now, if you'd like to talk about it, shoot me an invite on skype justin.grindal
 
@Jeremy such is the way
 
@ton.yeung Deleting everything useless :U
 
@ton.yeung fucking JS? Or using TS?
 
or JGSO@jgrindal.com
 
damn.. I play too much csgo
I read that as JSGO
@ton.yeung roflmao
Will remember.
I have a basic understanding of JS.
I'm planning on expanding on all things JS quite massively
When I get some traction on it
vOv
 
3:41 PM
when your trousers start slipping you hoist them
 
weird.
 
That's basically what JS does lol
 
But that's just because it's not strongly typed amirite.
I understand the pitfalls of JS lol
 
No var behaves differently than you think @Sippy
 
!!hi
 
3:43 PM
@Jeremy Hello !! I am Caprica. Caprica Six. How are you?
 
@ton.yeung I dunno. I use the wrong words. I can code.
 
!!> for (var i = 0; i < 10; i++) {}; console.log(i);
 
I know that doing x=5;var x; is gonna give me undefined
 
@RoelvanUden "undefined" Logged: 10
 
@Sippy Many excellent developers I know are nearly illiterate.
 
3:44 PM
It's why I suck at interviews.
I don't know what your concept is called cos I don't care I just use it.
 
@Sippy Made sense, right? That i is available outside of the for? Right?
 
@RoelvanUden outside?
So that's what hoisting does?
 
@Sippy This: for (var i = 0; i < 10; i++) {}; console.log(i); gives 10
 
how strange.
 
@RoelvanUden That's not hoisting, right?
 
3:45 PM
i confuse
 
It is. Hoisting refers to var being moved to the top of the scope.
 
kewl
 
~home-time lata bitches~
 
lata playa
 
@ton.yeung The point being that JS does all these things differently than other languages?
callbacks are pretty understandable
confusing but not overly difficult as a concept.
I do use JS at work btw
I just only use it in a basic capacity.
 
@Sippy In what sense?
 
And I wanna learn how to Node all the things so I have more options for work
 
> I love it when they call me Big Poppa
I only smoke blunts if they roll propa
 
^biggie?
 
3:47 PM
Yeah - that One More Chance remix is not bad
 
lol
 
showed up in my playlist
 
@Sippy jsfiddle.net/L469xw7h doesn't look like it
 
It is so hot here I do not want to leave the office!
 
@KendallFrey haha rip
thanks
 
3:49 PM
@ton.yeung why so big on inheritance in JS? D:
 
didn't know you could actually do that with JS
 
@Sippy that's what you need to know about hoisting
 
Is hoisting basically a hack?
Cos that doesn't make no sense.
 
It works just like it does in C#, except that C# will refuse to compile it if you reference a variable before it's defined. For no technical reason.
MSIL doesn't have variable declarations as part of code, it's part of the method's "footprint"
@Sippy It makes more sense when you use a function before your declare it, which is what hoisting is usually used for
 
@ton.yeung Well for sure if you use TS, because that is sorta the point of using it in the first place. In pure JS though I don't use any.
Yeah, I'm a fan of giant singleton objects.
 
3:54 PM
Hey everyone.
@ton.yeung That would be the polite thing to do.
 
I lied, I suppose I do use pseudo-inheritance one time in my production code where I $.extend some helper functions based on LMS platform...
 
Those fuckers!
What you building in Angular?
 
Angular Penguin Chop
 
Oh really?
 
Anyone watch Silicon Valley
 
3:57 PM
@ton.yeung not really a pro at factories, following a book and some reading
 
@ton.yeung quit trollin me son
 
ya
 
@Shoe Yes, it is hilarious.
 
willing to do more reading :)
 
easy if the files are all in a VS solution
code a console app. Sell it for millions.
 
4:01 PM
example have 2 files TimeAreRunning and TimeIsRunner and you want to change running and runner to ran?
 
@ton.yeung you can use Notepad++'s "Replace in Files..."
 
BeyondCompare
 
I think it is scriptable
 
the insides, wonder if beyond will do that
beyondcompare what TFS does when you compare history kinda
and that is what others say, but its not the same
and it does folders, files can compare 3-4 files
the one guy at work was like ya like kdiff then I asked him to do something and kdiff did not do it
was like show me all the lines that are not the same or something dumb too
 
anyone else getting logged out of SO every 20 mins? D:
 
4:08 PM
do folder compares
humm I will take a look tonight
 
@ton.yeung np
A guy who used to work here paid money for some program to do stuff like that, he was angry when I showed him all the completely random things n++ has for that.
 
ya notepad++ is the first stop for most File needs
 
that and using "find in files" in explorer that most people don't know exists.
 
shark attack
 
4:18 PM
we have a network share for all of our stuff here and I use it to find code I know I wrote but didn't know what project. The whole share is indexed so it only takes a couple minutes to search the 7TB.
LOL derp. I found out why SO keeps kicking me out... I had cookies checked when clearing browser data for testing JS...
 
@ton.yeung i thought you'd giggle at it :o
 
@ton.yeung Yeah, inheritance is awesome, but most of the time I try to avoid it client side. If you're using angular or backbone really heavily though it is probably unavoidable.
I haven't gotten into Angular because it didn't really feel right. Though I'm looking forward to Angular 2 with that tight TS support.
All of my duplicate functionality is written as services/helpers rather than base classes in most of my production JS code.
 
@BenjaminDiele I bet you've seen this: youtube.com/watch?v=LpKF0wZSnX0
 
4:34 PM
So I'm stuck in this limbo where I want to eat but don't want to think about what I want to eat so I go back to writing code and then another hour passes D:
I guess this is how Korean's starve playing StarCraft...
D: I'm doing it again. Going to walk in the direction of food and force myself to decide, brb...
@ton.yeung If only they had 1 hour delivery...
yeah probably
 
4:56 PM
@ton.yeung is it tasty
 
a chugger
chug a drink
a beer usually to do with out wanting taste or smell is what i think of it
should be a vending machine in ever japan internet cafe
 
@ton.yeung aren't people with ADHD people who are mentally incapable of keeping doing what they're doing though?
 
anyone please help
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Q: Video tutorial series for Microsoft Architecture book

IgnacioIs there any video tutorial series for this book by Microsoft. Can be paid or unpaid. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff650706.aspx I really like this book, but going through it will take me years.

 
@Ignacio it is unlikely that one exists that is exactly that book, if it isn't listed on the msdn page.
but there are quite a few patterns and practices videos here: microsoftvirtualacademy.com
 
i can find bits but looking for full tut
 
5:08 PM
@Ignacio what are you looking for
 
I find that reading the book is faster than videos. Video tutorials tend to stray away from the topic a lot.
 
^^ tend to inject personally liked software too much too , plunker, web storm, eclipse
 
!!/listcommands
 
@Jeremy 420, help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, ban, unban, convert, define, doge, google, hang, jquery, learn, fa, easytools, wherearethegoats, tobacconist, joystick, fools, cake, cool, vengeance, ln, protip, slidepoop, zirak_naked, loktar, artisticpoop, crustypoop, buttstuff, poopkittie, daybreak, rfc, man, ಠ_ಠ..., getit, resources, html5unleashed, jspattern, ajax, xhr, guesswhat, amazon, ihazbukkit, solution, sandbox, gayclubs, kumar, echo, pizza
wherearemypants, yourwrong, martyhugginsdarkestsecret, cantdoit, jsource, ╯°□°╯, bad, salirophilia
 
@Jeremy your date is gone
 
@Jeremy Command misualvisual learned
 
!!tell CuddleBunny misualvisual
 
!!replymsg 24881095 misualvisual
 
@Jeremy 24881095 misualvisual
 
5:11 PM
augh
!!kendallhumps
 
in JavaScript, Feb 13 '14 at 17:12, by Abhishek Hingnikar
> News Flash : In canada a guy named Kendall Frey was spotted humping random objects. As per our sources he is trying to "impregnate all the things".
 
tell her NO that is my PotPie!
 
5:31 PM
Southern Biscuit Lays potato chips humm
 
Southern Biscuit?
 
who wouldn't lay a potato chip
 
what is that
 
Biscuit and Gravy usually with some backed chicken for breakfast
 
I feel like I would need a shower after eating that
 
5:34 PM
what do you guys do when you're lost on a new language and framework
 
make a console todo app
 
todo app?
 
@KalaJ rtfm
 
what manual? Lol
:(
 
To Do - i have this to do that to do
 
5:35 PM
:/
 
what framework?
 
testing framework - parasoft
language embedded C
:(
 
bang on your keyboard and yell out your frustrations
 
I used to work with a guy who would literally get up and bang his head on the wall.
 
@KendallFrey at your house?
 
5:37 PM
no
 
before remote
 
not exactly
I've always been primarily remote
 
thought so
 
But I do know the people I work with, for the most part.
 
lol
that's how I feel right now but it won't solve the issue
 
5:45 PM
back, and fed.
 

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