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10:00 PM
what's the right way to write a middleware for Flask? to detect and set user's lang
 
You're only in trouble if you're a gypsy, or look like one, or are visibly non-Christian (nowadays). But "in trouble" would mostly mean an occasional frown from assholes
and by visibly non-Christian I mean Muslim
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak Yeah, I doubt I'd be in a rough spot, but wondered if I'd have to explain myself for speaking russian or my normal ugly american-accent.
 
Explanations would most definitely not be necessary:)
American would have a much higher chance of success than Russian, only the older peeps speak Russian with higher probability
I don't think you'd experience any hostility:)
Withnail was here recently, he can tell you about the native English-speaking aspect
 
user559633
Oh cool, added to the trip calendar then.
 
user559633
GF and I speak russian to each other when we don't want to be understood/are speaking more privately, and in some places, my accent or our use of a foreign language gets some harsh looks
 
10:11 PM
Nah, we're supposed to be quite civil
I mean, a lot of people in tourism hate tourists, but that's a specialty:D
BTW I think as a Hungarian that your accent is perfectly normal
Sep 6 at 11:47, by Withnail
Nope! We were only there for a couple of days, but felt as safe as ever there, really. Have to say, I kinda preferred it in Winter, although that might've been because we landed when Sziget was on, so there was a lot of "BRO" happening.
anecdata ^
of course harsh looks and safety are not parallel aspects
 
user559633
Cool -- another american can probably corroborate, but we're brought up thinking eastern europe as somehow most less friendly/safe/worth visiting. I realize this is totally offensive/untrue/stupid.
 
So, the frowning kind of people are probably pre-occupied worrying about refugees, so they don't have the attention span to worry about Western tourists
 
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@AndrasDeak if it makes you feel any better, anyone that isn't a fucking idiot in america hates that kind of movie
 
That's too bad, I found it hilarious:D
 
user559633
Well, at least, we see it as slandering/xenophobic
 
10:19 PM
sure, but we underdeveloped Easterners haven't picked up the art of being offended all the time;D
 
user559633
Yeah, you're probably banging rocks together or busy building walls for the soviets
 
and there's huge cultural baggage from back when the Iron Curtain was a thing, so I completely get the approach
and judging by how our country works in some aspects (politics, economics, etc.), some of it is not that far-fetched
stereotypes are bad, but they usually stem from the truth in some distorted way
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak haha yeah. i had to warn the gf that my grandmother would assume she's here on a green card
 
I don't think any Eastern Europeans got offended by Eurotrip
 
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@AndrasDeak fair and agreed.
 
10:22 PM
@tristan haha:D
that's awful
 
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fwiw, she did not disappoint
 
oh dear:D
my living ancestors are few and fortunately they mind their own business mostly
then again, I did find a proper girl, so little needs to be said
 
user559633
what does proper mean in this context? does it mean "from your country"?
 
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ahhh :)
 
only partly joking
whoever's nice and cute would do for my family, but she's a jackpot:D
 
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10:30 PM
there are a lot of good things about america, but to be specific, families aren't judgmental in how they grow
 
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so much of the shittiness our media is producing is because of the election year
 
the best time to be a turd, I know
 
user559633
yeah. the hillary hate machine.
 
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it's profitable to trade in bigotry, and viacom is happy to do so
 
10:33 PM
Doesn't Trump have a media subset of his own?
or the big ones are Hillary's?
 
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the big ones/most of them are hillary's
 
I see
I can't say I envy your people nowadays
 
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very happy to exaggerate, generate, and feign offense for the purpose of crowd manipulation/control
 
user559633
yeah, america is going to have a rough 10 years, or we're going to get eaten
 
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the people are good, but very willing to be sold that personal choices should be without consequence
 
10:35 PM
hopefully the embrace of the apocalypse that is soon upon us will simplify life greatly
 
user559633
to the purpose of presidency, occam's razor suggests that it's just not the desirable a position
 
good thing Occam's razor doesn't work on people
 
user559633
the "obama administration" gave a billion dollars to iran, a country that our own government classifies as a terrible blight on the world, so there's clearly a level of corruption and shittiness demanded of our figurehead
 
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a vote for hillary is an implicit vote for more corruption and sponsoring of people that should be murdered by fists and a vote for trump is a vote for someone that is a clown and is totally unqualified to be a world leader, so as an american, please believe that we're not excited for the election
 
10:42 PM
yeah, I gathered as much
unfortunately, most of what comes across the big water is "Trump doesn't get why we shouldn't drop a nuke"-grade shit
which I know is true, but surely not the entire picture
 
user559633
yeah no, that will never happen
 
user559633
america is so dominant that we never need to care about ~~media~~, but we'd never drop nuclear arms in an era that our standard munitions cache could end existence
 
Is there really a "we" in that? I hope so, but my socialization on Hollywood action movies makes me thing that the dude in charge can drop it if he really wants:D
I mean, those movies wouldn't lie
 
user559633
america using nuclear weapons again doesn't make sense because it's so emotionally charged for people.
 
oh yeah, we still need to talk about the last one;)
 
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10:50 PM
america has no interest in ending the world, i assure you.
 
user559633
we don't even bother fixing our own bullshit
 
Yeah, I know. My concern was more whether "america" is a relevant entity in this question
 
user559633
oh, you're wondering if i'd end the world, given the chance?
 
Nah, you need to finish that JS project first
 
user559633
i'd probably need a weekend to think on where we go at the end to answer that :)
 
10:52 PM
I'm wondering that if the muppet gets the authority to drop a nuke, and still wants to drop a nuke, is it legally possible to stop him from dropping a nuke?
 
are we talking about python hre? :D
 
Yup
 
user559633
it would never happen. we have a deep system of "checks and balances" to stop that and the president isn't actually that important beyond giving bullshit media-friendly things for his up-for-elections compatriots to focus on
 
@AminEtesamian I'm trying to subclass a subclass, but should probably learn how __new__ works first
 
user559633
america won't drop a nuke because it would be fucking stupid/pointless to do so
 
10:54 PM
America, yes:)
 
then search for it
 
@AminEtesamian oh shit, great idea! Thank you.
 
:)))))))))))))
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak then who?
 
@tristan that's really good to hear:) Not that any of these concerns of mine are really worrying in my everyday life, just general musing
@tristan The Prime Muppet himself
 
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10:55 PM
@AndrasDeak pff no point
 
user559633
you think someone goes slavic and comes back?
 
but your previous message anwers what I was wondering about, that he does in fact not have absolute power
@tristan I don't think so. What do you mean by "goes slavic"?:)
 
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yeah, no. obama just tried to say people can't blame saudi arabia for them sponsoring attacks on americans. he got overriden and i imagine he's on their payroll.
 
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we're not idiots here.
 
@tristan I'm never wondering about your general intelligence; but about how your government works
 
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10:58 PM
@AndrasDeak there's a joke expression here of "once you go black you don't go back" and i was playing off of that because trump's current wife is from a slavic country
 
we have major shitheads here who don't represent the people beyond what they can talk into the heads of the masses, yet they are in charge and will be for the foreseeable future (unless things go even worse)
@tristan oh I had no idea about the latter
 
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@AndrasDeak to be sure, i'm not taking any offense here.
 
@tristan yeah, I know, thanks:)
 
user559633
to my personal politics: i think we need to do away with the position of "president" for real progress
 
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that's not the point of our political system though, so people that take it at face value get what they deserve/want
 
11:04 PM
that sounds like an easy step to take, doing away with a president:D
just need to amend the constitution, eh?
 
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i genuinely believe that xenophobia, hatred of other cultures, and racism is a learned behavior, that some cultures are objectively worse for people than others, and that confusing all of this is by design of the american process
 
meh, I'm not sure it's american
some amount of xenophobia is deeply ingrained in human ethology, it just needs a little work to hammer it out in a way that can be utilized
I might be old fashioned but I believe in the social contract
 
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the reaction is the part that's trained though
 
that definitely...
training and authorities make all the difference of how that xenophobia manifests
I believe that people will inevitably be assholes towards each other
 
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i grew up in a french catholic environment and the first time i encountered someone that was gay, i had a "hey wait but this person is awesome and i love him" moment in my head
 
11:08 PM
:)
yup
 
user559633
yup :)
 
user559633
on the other side, i think the current platform is to tell people that terrible behaviors are normal
 
the fact that the terribleness of certain actions depends grossly on culture makes this very messed up
 
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e.g. germany and pretending it's families emigrating
 
What do you mean?
 
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11:12 PM
In that the official narrative (that's failing Merkel) is that it's people fleeing warn-torn Syria and we need to do this for human rights, but it's mostly military aged men from Africa
 
hmm
well, we've [as in my country] seen a lot of families with children
I don't now any ratios, but there are a buttload of actual refugees too
 
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What's shitty is that I know I can't trust any popular media company to give me objective information on this
 
yup
 
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I do know that Sweden is getting scary as hell for my Swedish friends and that's not at all to blame on people that are already with family.
 
Unfortunately it's the other way around media-wise here: Orban wants to sell it so hard (and I mean large-scale media manipulation) that the migrants will come and do nasty thngs to us that I tend to be skeptical in this subject
 
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11:17 PM
I can't see the obfuscation of these policies as accidental
 
but there really is no independent medium in Hungary, every source is strongly biased, you can only choose your bias
 
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Same in america
 
so our countries suck big time
 
My stacked overflow question has been deleted >.<
QQ
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak i don't think it has to be this way
 
11:27 PM
Oh I hope not, ours has only been sucking this much for a few years
but there seems to be a general tendency of radicalization and assholedom in the world
 
user559633
i'm generally anti-immigration now, but the love of my life is foreign-born, my first experience with "oh you have girl parts" was with an egyptian girl, and one of my high-school friends is from iraq
 
No, you're doing it wrong. You have to say "I'm not racist, since racially non-trivial person #1, #2 and #3 are cool" ;)
 
user559633
i think there's a plan to paint people like me as racists/bigots/xenophobic, even though "born in america" is maybe less likely in my social group
 
:/
Of course being of foreign birth doesn't exclude xenophobia. The way humans work, the loudest xenophobes are probably aliens themselves
 
user559633
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think if you give most americans the context or actually ask them, they won't express xenophobic ideas
 
11:38 PM
assuming that the effects of the current media crap heap are undone, right?
 
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@AndrasDeak (p.s. how can i be racist when i think aziz ansari should be the next james bond ;))
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak nah, "how americans feel" relies on picking outlier idiots
 
At least, I'd have said my people are not xenophobic, a year ago. After thorough brainwashing by the government, many uneducated people in the countryside are genuinely terrified by the prospect of refugees, and blame Muslims for everything.
which is sad and terrifying at the same time
but then again, if my people were smart, Orban wouldn't rule
 
user559633
Open borders doesn't bring in the best, and to your earlier point about stereotypes...
 
well I mostly meant naturally occuring stereotypes, ones that were born in the golden age of propaganda-free xenophobia:/
 
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11:44 PM
my thing is that there's nothing naturally occurring about stereotypes
 
user559633
they're 100% contextual
 
I'm not sure I agree:) But you might be right. It's a bit too late for me to think this through
I mean things like French running around in silly hats, holding baguettes. Surely some cultural clashes reinforce this picture, but it can be a fairly naturally occuring thing.
 
user559633
the first time i thought of a religion as "maybe bad for civilization" was on 9/11 -- i was a teenager when this happened and it was the first time i had thought about culture clash
 
But my notion might be biased from the fact that I'm subject to these stereotypes from birth
 
wim
Hi all, where's the naming convention for pypi packages?
Is non-ascii allowed?
what's the deal with dashes vs underscores etc
 
11:54 PM
i_hope_snake_case_is_the_standard_hsssssss
can you import non-ascii in python 2?
 
wim
@Andras well for sure the distribution name doesn't have to match the import name
 
ah, I see
Why would you put non-ascii in a file name??
 

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