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user559633
7:00 PM
Me too!
 
DSM
We have Kevin to blame that we can't write triple a = b after which a will always be equal to the result of b.__mul__(3).
 
Yeah, Kevin.
 
Sorry.
 
DSM
Sometimes it's fun to count the errors in just a few lines of this chat.
 
Actually, shouldn't that be b__div__(3)? Because a tripled a should equal the value of b?
 
7:02 PM
@DSM You'd rapidly run out of numbers.
 
DSM
triple modifies the =. It was a controversial decision.
 
It was necessary because we need to reserve === for something else
But I can't say what. It's a secret.
 
user559633
type checking would be useful
 
user559633
e.g. 1 === True
 
my love for dsm will never end. wajdi im twitter stalking you... You guys have weekly talks o.o
 
DSM
7:05 PM
Do we?
 
Stop that. Get your javascriphpt out of my python.
 
We don't.
 
DSM
Some of us are SIAs (self-image avoiders). We can't do videoconferencing.
 
There are literally dozens of us!
 
7:07 PM
:_(
 
There's only 4 of us who use our faces as our pictures, as you can see.
 
I was about to make that reference.
 
I use my face
<- me
 
@DavidGonzalez can you start posting better please? You're just being low effort and weirdly fixated on some of the users here. It's ok, you don't have to post, you can just lurk.
 
user559633
7:11 PM
I miss pdb. I wish there was an equivalent in web-browser-destined JS.
 
Back to JS?
 
guys I am getting too perfectionist with my css :| everything must be 100% pixel perfect
 
I came across pudb while we were talking about profilers yesterday. It looks pretty nifty for when you don't have an IDE debugger.
 
user559633
Still in JS. I had to make one of my state-handling functions more general and now I have an input box that isn't updating and it's a pain to follow the bouncing ball
 
@corvid 100% is the perfect amount of perfectionist.
 
user559633
7:13 PM
CSS is like jazz: if you improvise, I hope you have a captive audience
 
user6568562
@Kevin Hey man. It still is a valid contribution
 
Yep. I made a branch and everything.
 
@tristan Speaking of jazz, I recently discovered that H. Jon Benjamin did a jazz album.
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp He did, and it rules.
 
I made the mistake of listening to it at work.
 
user559633
 
On headphones thankfully, but suppressing giggles makes your co-workers give you weird looks.
 
@tristan not availalalalalable
 
@davidism I need a guide on better posting. Honestly i am just bored and want to learn python and thus to a noob like me you are like celaberties to me. I have been getting better at posting at least ^_^ . I dont think im low effort at all. I am willing to code basic task for you for free. Tell me what to write or read
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala 'I Can't Play Piano, Pt. 1' by Jon Benjamin off of Jazz Daredevil
 
spotify is misbehaving
 
user6568562
7:19 PM
Unavailable here too ! But I managed to find this. Is it the same thing ? @tristan
 
user6568562
I f*ckin love that guy
 
It's from the same album, yeah.
 
@AnttiHaapala Working for me.
 
It's really the promo for the album.
 
user559633
7:20 PM
@randomhopeful try to find the songs themselves
 
@idjaw Yeah, spotify does weird region locking sometimes.
 
user6568562
@tristan Oh I see ! I'm on it : D
 
user559633
Worst case, they'll somehow just start playing on Sunday ;)
 
user559633
Awesome
 
The promo is definitely worth watching.
 
7:21 PM
OK, sounds like I should listen to this on the way home. Rhubarb.
 
user6568562
@tristan Yayah : D
 
user559633
Later davidism!
 
take care @davidism
 
Rbrb, davidism.
 
user559633
Who's the nerdy pirate's favorite Arrrrrrthor? George Arr Arr Marrrrtin
 
7:22 PM
19 hours ago, by idjaw
what's a pirate's favourite language?
 
user559633
@idjaw Least favorite is the C
 
how are we not making money with how funny we are
what a shame
 
I can pay you in exposure.
 
I've had people offer me money to stop telling jokes many times. It's pretty easy.
 
user559633
oh god track 3, i forgot about this
 
user559633
 
Amy's Song is definitely my favorite.
 
@tristan I heard you
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala :D
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala How's the binge going, btw ? Is like no tomorrow an option ?
 
speaking of binge....Luke Cage is on Netflix
 
7:33 PM
I can't watch any other show until I finish my Stargate backlog. I'm on episode seven, season one.
 
So...Kevin is definitely out.
 
I'm on my umpteenth watch of American Whose Line.
 
I can only watch one show at a time for the same reason I can't let the gravy touch the applesauce on my dinner plate.
 
why is the apple sauce there on the first place!
 
Pork chop?
 
7:35 PM
unless you were having pork....then I question the gravy.
oh you!
<3
 
I've had gravy with pork chops before. You can get some good fond from a pork chop.
 
Applesauce makes an appearance at 80% of Kevinson family meals because my parents have failed to notice that I continued growing up past the age of 13
(ostensibly)
 
anyone here like mint jelly with lamb?
I adore it
 
Yup! :D
I just love lamb in general.
 
Exception to the tv rule: I catch up on anime on Sundays, which doesn't count because it's not real television.
Both Amanchou and Sweetness & Lightning are precariously close to the end of their seasons so I'm going to have to find two replacements. I'm thinking Erased and... ???
 
7:39 PM
Lamb is great and I should feel more guilty about it.
 
Why guilty?
 
Because lambs are cuter than other animals on average
 
It's a baby :c
 
7:41 PM
what happened here wasn't this answered already?
 
@randomhopeful my problem is that I cannot belch!!!
 
The 95th percentile of pigs are cuter than the 50th percentile of lambs but that doesn't refute my previous point
2
 
DSM
@idjaw: looking at the comments it seems like, er, comments proved a problem.
 
user559633
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala Aw man : / You're missing out on some perks
 
7:43 PM
 
anw, this is my3rd LIIT...
and I am totally wasted...
because these LIIT are pint sized...
 
user559633
you should post about politics on the internet.
 
user559633
7 hours ago, by tristan
@AnttiHaapala IBA cocktails are designed for passive drinking, not partying. I'd use a standard jigger (and then split it into different glasses because that's 4-5 shots per drink)
 
user559633
just for posterity that i gave fair warning like a good bro
 
user559633
Hey Inbar
 
7:44 PM
@tristan ... :'(
 
@DSM ah unfortunate.
 
DSM
I have c++ code to interface with, I shouldn't be googling for cute lamb pictures.
 
2.5 shots per drink, at least...
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala To go for extra "bro credit", you should drink a pint of water now so you don't feel like death tomorrow.
 
Heh, I remember my ex got caught up in a drinking competition with some of my harder drinking friends. She ended up killing a similar amount of pint sized LIITs and then throwing up ALL over my wall.
That was a fun surprise in the morning.
 
7:46 PM
bosses bought liquor, 40 ABV @ 0.6 liters per person :D:D
 
eww
trowup
 
"over my wall"?
 
ill draw any picture you want
 
user559633
all over. idiomatic expression which means "to nearly cover with"
 
She was aiming for the trashcan in the corner, but the wall ended up taking most of it.
 
7:47 PM
yeah...
@tristan the first time I've seen "over my wall"
@MorganThrapp ok anw, thanks noted :P
 
So yeah, reiterating Tristan's advice for water.
 
user559633
Even if you're not done partying, mixing in pints of water is always a good idea
 
a cup full of water helps the hangover go down in a most delightful way
 
user6568562
@MorganThrapp Physics aren't alcohol friendly. I do remember some severe slopes appearing between me and the exit door
 
no problem bros, I am a former student of engineering, now a graduate... with master's degree.
I have learned my lesson: "you don't have to drink all the free alcohol that you're offered"
 
user559633
7:49 PM
it's almost like drinking impairs your decision making ability :)
 
just chatting for fun :D
 
DSM
@AnttiHaapala: it's really more like (all over) (some object). "I threw up over the wall" makes it sound like you vomited above the wall, whereas "I threw up all over the wall" is about coverage.
 
^^
 
user559633
Talk about out sicking your coverage.
 
@DSM well ,exactly
 
user559633
7:50 PM
winces and wonders if someone will know what i'm talking about
 
user6568562
@tristan Me me me
 
I am just pitying my wife...
 
raises hand
 
because... ....... ............... :'(
 
DSM
@tristan: I admired that, FWIW..
 
7:52 PM
DSM can i Design you a custom profile picture?
 
DSM
I'm quite happy with my square.
Sure, I'm jealous of Kevin's quasi-cuneiform shape, but the grass is always greener, etc.
 
@DSM is your avatar stock SO selection?
 
DSM
It was autogenerated at one point, but I can't remember if I replaced it with an image of itself for some reason once.
 
Mine was given to me by my creator Ole Kirk Christiansen
 
I assume you must've, because you're not broken by Gravitargate.
 
wim
7:55 PM
any nosetest users here?
 
raises hand
 
wim
I want to get the name of the current test method
but it's not on a test class
 
user559633
raises hand and regrets it
 
haha
 
DSM
happy he uses pytest
 
7:56 PM
now
I need more booze
 
wim
yes pytest is much better
 
the bosses are bullshitting!!!
 
wim
but this test suite is nose
 
user559633
deposits 20 ebooze into ur account
 
saying that they pay 66 % taxes on top of gross payments to us
so that is the reason for not paying a proper salary to us
 
user559633
7:57 PM
that will be bleventy seven $internets
 
wim
def helper():
    # ???? introspect name 'test_thing'

def test_thing():
    helper()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    import nose
    runner = nose.core.TextTestRunner(verbosity=2)
    nose.core.run(testRunner=runner)
 
I NEED MORE BOOZE TO STAND THIS BULLSHIT
 
wim
I don't want to use frame hacks
 
---> 4th LIIT
 
wim
7:58 PM
surely this must be stored on nose runner somehow ?
 
Hmmm.... I'm subclassing a class B as class C, and I'm calling the __init__ of B for C. However, some attributes are missing from C. Turns out that B is a subclass of A with a __new__-y way. Just to avoid a wild goose chase: does my solution lie probably with __new__ which I don't know how it works, yet?:D
 
wim
in fact, I can't even seem to get it with the frame hack
 
@wim it isn't stored
 
wim
>>> def bar():
...     import inspect
...     frame = inspect.currentframe().f_back
...     return frame
...
>>> def foo():
...     return bar()
 
you get the frame
but the frame doesn't reference the function
 
wim
8:04 PM
>>> frame = foo()
>>> dir(frame)

['__class__',
 '__delattr__',
 '__doc__',
 '__format__',
 '__getattribute__',
 '__hash__',
 '__init__',
 '__new__',
 '__reduce__',
 '__reduce_ex__',
 '__repr__',
 '__setattr__',
 '__sizeof__',
 '__str__',
 '__subclasshook__',
 'f_back',
 'f_builtins',
 'f_code',
 'f_exc_traceback',
 'f_exc_type',
 'f_exc_value',
 'f_globals',
 'f_lasti',
 'f_lineno',
 'f_locals',
 'f_restricted',
 'f_trace']
 
it references the code of the function
 
wim
there's nothing interesting in the frame ...
 
you can ensure that the code is the code of the function
but not the opposite
except if you use GC to find out the objects that refer to code, and filter them
 
wim
oh hell no
what about access to the test runner , through nose module ?
possible?
or should I just rewrite this whole damn test suite to use pytest
 
>>> def foo():
...     return 42
...
>>> [i for i in gc.get_referrers(foo.__code__) if isinstance(i, types.FunctionType)]
[<function foo at 0x7fb490493ae8>]
and that is bs...
I'd rather have the frame to point to the actual function instance
<3 Finns Party of Finland: campaign slogan: "Make Finland Great Again".
f**k you
 
user559633
8:11 PM
Was Finland ever great?
 
@tristan no.
 
user559633
:(
 
user559633
The Finner party of Finland's slogan should be "Make Finland Awesome"
 
but it was greater in 1995 when it was embracing the European integration and World Leadership
... but that is exactly what the Finns party is opposed to
 
DSM
@AnttiHaapala: on behalf of those of us far, far away, we're managing okay on our own. Thanks for the offer, though! :-)
 
8:13 PM
@DSM it doesn't mean that we'd be managing the whole world, don't be silly
 
user559633
Yeah, I'm good without a world government.
 
Canada is not so bad right now. Winning hockey team, umm....
 
just show some example
 
HOCKEY!!!
 
DSM
@wim: I'm late to this, but if you want 'test_thing', you could do something like inspect.stack()[1][0].f_code.co_name. It'll work some times.
 
8:14 PM
poutine
 
user559633
decided it's beer o'clock
 
... though I am still an interplanetary federalist
 
DSM
@AnttiHaapala: in that sense everyone is always showing an example to the world. So you should be happy, what you want is already happening!
 
@DSM to show some good example
 
user559633
8:15 PM
I'm a strong proponent of big government. There should be minimum heights and weights for all candidates.
 
which doesn't include: nazis beating citizens at noon to death on the most crossed square of the all of finland on a working day.
 
DSM
That makes it seem just like you want your government to do some things they're not doing and stop doing other things they are doing. I suspect that's pretty much how most people feel.. guess you can call that world leadership if you want, but it feels a little confusing.
 
... which incidentally is something that some of the Finns party members (and members of parliament), have welcomed
@DSM the point was that instead of letting the US to set the example of how a great nation should be, let the European confederation show how a great confederation should be.
now, instead the other half of the Finns party is arguing that there is nothing to be shared with the rest of the Europe, or anyone at all, lets just secede everything and close the party
 
user559633
Finnish Trump: Build a wall and make the white walkers pay for it
 
DSM
I think Europe is doing its part as an instructive example at the moment, for what it's worth. One advantage of having lots of countries try lots of things is that you can learn from others' experience.
 
user559633
8:21 PM
Yeah, Hungary and Turkey would definitely benefit from increased interaction.
 
user559633
Maybe someone could loan Germany some anti-bacterial soap so they can become Any
 
from downtown....he's on fire
 
@tristan Magyarországot emlegették, találkozzunk a téren!
@Antti that should be the Hungarian version of "Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan" :D
 
Google translate did a terrible job
 
yeah
maybe I did too:D
 
user559633
8:25 PM
I know that 'a' means in! I'm almost there but somehow increasing the number of letters in the sentence I don't understand
 
Hungary synonymous meet in the square!
yes. Let's meet in the square Mr. Synonymous
 
@tristan it doesn't:P
 
user559633
Well, shit.
 
DSM
Way to kick a man when he's down, Andras.
 
(that's just an article, we inflect everything instead)
but I love you, tristan <3
 
user559633
8:27 PM
<3 :)
 
user559633
what does that sentence mean?
 
DSM
I recognize "Magyar", but that's it.
 
Beer folks, do you have a recommendation for a good marzen/oktoberfest? I want to welcome in the new month.
 
user559633
pumpkin beer.
 
^^
absolutely
 
8:35 PM
I'm probably going to get some of each.
 
wim
@DSM thanks, that did the trick
 
There's a newish beer superstore that opened near me and I need to try as many beers from them as I can.
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp How are you quantifying an oktoberfest beer?
 
@tristan Marzen style.
Pretty much anything labeled as an oktoberfest beer is a marzen.
 
user559633
so like something high gravity?
 
wim
8:38 PM
There is also frame.f_code.co_name too , don't know how I missed that
 
user559633
by the definition i found of marzen, stouts or fruit beers would fall under this
 
I tend to think of them as being medium body lagers.
 
wim
And @DSM inspect.stack()[1][3] seems to be the caller name aswell
 
DSM
@wim: I think they changed the order at some point. Even if I'm wrong about that I can never remember it anyway. :-) But I'm glad it's working.
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp lagers are low temp though, so a marzen should be closer to an ale
 
user559633
8:43 PM
my dentist-prescribed anti-bacterial mouthwash is making this beer taste awful (yes, i have such a dirty mouth that a medical professional has advised me to take action)
 
I'm just going off wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4rzen
> Märzen or Märzenbier (German: March or March beer) is a lager that originated in Bavaria. It has a medium to full body and may vary in color from pale through amber to dark brown.
That's definitely what I think of when I think Marzen.
 
user559633
Uhh what. That doesn't make any sense to me as a lager is conditioned in lower temperatures and a Märzen brewed in March/Summer wouldn't have those conditions unless brewers dug deeper into the earth and hoped for the best.
 
user559633
Beer advocate to the rescue beeradvocate.com/beer/style/29
 
user559633
"Brewing ended with the coming of spring, and began again in the fall. Most were brewed in March (Märzen). These brews were kept in cold storage over the spring and summer months, or brewed at a higher gravity, so they’d keep. "
 
user559633
This reminds me that I need to do more homebrew. I have the equipment to do 10 gallons at a time, so it's almost criminal that I'm not.
 
8:47 PM
Right, so wouldn't that make it a lager? It's being brewed in the winter/fall and stored.
I'd love to do some homebrewing. I really want to make ginger beer.
The proper fermented stuff.
 
user559633
Yeah, the high gravity makes it more than a standard lager, and doing the later stages of fermentation/finishing in colder environments makes it lager-ish
 
user559633
I need to go to the beer brewing store to get more barley -- I have everything else.
 
ok peoples. I'm heading out.
rbrb
 
user559633
Laters :)
 
peace
 
8:49 PM
Gotcha. My beer knowledge isn't on the same level as my spirits knowledge.
Later, idjaw!
 
user559633
I want to make some cherry/raspberry stout
 
DSM
rhubarb for idjaw
 
o/
 
That sounds delicious.
 
user559633
Oh it's so good. A nice, fat 5-6% creamy stout with a clean finish
 
8:52 PM
Mmmm, I need a good stout. I picked up a variety pack of Adirondack brewing because it had two delicious sounding stouts in it. Terrible. Almost undrinkable. I actually poured a full one down the sink because I could not drink it.
I'm going to end up buying multiple cases of beer aren't I? :/
Anyways, time to head home in a pouring rainstorm! Talk to you all later.
 
user559633
I wish I was still in NYC, because this sounds like the perfect excuse for a beer party
 
user559633
Drive safe
 
Yes it does!
Thanks.
 
user559633
cbgjc
 
user559633
William Joel is very talented
 
DSM
After five on a Friday so I'm going to bail as well. Rhubarb for all!
 
user559633
Bye DSM :)
 
user559633
@JonClements With the songs you link, I imagine it's very peaceful in your household
 
@tristan sorry, was AFK. It means "Hungary was mentioned, let's meet at the square!". Which "Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan!" should mean in Finnish
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak Maybe a weird question, but how do people in Hungary feel about Americans and Russians? I haven't travelled to Eastern Europe and Hungary looks beautiful.
 
9:41 PM
This self checkout is running Windows. It just blue screened and restarted to a safe mode prompt.
 
user559633
install skyrim on it so it can say "i used to be a self checkout..."
 
I wanted to poke at it so badly. The one next to it had the start menu showing and a terminal window running.
 
9:58 PM
@tristan sorry, was AFK again (binge watching with the missus)
Politically, that's a hard question:D As far as locals and tourists are concerned, I don't think there's any issue
 

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