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1:00 PM
Oh, are we about to talk about political correctness again? [MJ_eating_popcorn.gif]
 
it is so culturally insensitive to consider that the word slave has some racial connotations everywhere :D
 
lol I am not saying it's trye
 
user559633
@paul23 Oh, first you need to be really offended all the time and confuse that for a personality
 
> $15000. Buildbot is a continuous build and integration system which has been immensely valuable to Mozilla over the past few years. Their award will be used to remove the term “slave” from all documentation, APIs and tests, and also to make improvements so Buildbot works better in the Amazon EC2 cloud.
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm offended
 
user559633
1:00 PM
fucking triggered
 
I will drink your tears.
 
user559633
Ooooh, slav_e_, I thought we were talking about slavs
 
@tristan how DARE YOU!???
 
This doesn't feel like a safe space right now. In particular, are the guardrails on these catwalks up to OSHA standards?
Why do we even have open-topped cauldrons of bubbling molten steel?
 
Morning cabbage.
 
1:02 PM
Why not?
 
user559633
@Kevin Wait, "WE"?? Uhh, use my pronouns, shitlord
 
@tristan Well I'm guessing that master/slave terminology was introduced somewhere in the US, or where slavery was pretty terrible.
 
I guess we do have a higher-than-average incidence of AI uprising, so we need an expedient method of killer robot disposal, but a simple hydraulic press would work just as well, yes?
 
user559633
@WayneWerner It wasn't though. The words pre-date America.
 
1:03 PM
@khajvah that's got to be better than donating $15k to Amnesty International
 
@tristan No? Where was it introduced, in the context of computing?
 
@WayneWerner little known fact to non-US citizens: slavery existed before America
 
@Kevin Wouldn't get the chance to do the thumb though #Terminator #Doom #Stream
 
Oh, yeah - but African/African slavery was way different than American/African slavery
 
user559633
@WayneWerner "In the context of computing". taps frantically on this sentence
 
1:03 PM
the leader/follower is really stupid
 
With the types of AI we deal with, I'd expect a different finger to be raised.
 
primary/replica is often better than master/slave
 
@AnttiHaapala hey processes have feelings too
 
but there is the non-replication case of master/slave that doesn't have other terminology
think about ATA/IDE
 
user559633
I feel way safer and less offended now that an open source project introduced idiotic virtue signaling garbage with something culty
 
1:04 PM
sorry, let's call it a cat problem
 
So where are these vats? I'd like to go for a swim.
 
@AnttiHaapala primary/failover? secondary? backups?
@tristan Hey, come drink the kool-aid with us ;)
 
@WayneWerner maybe secondary, but I'm pretty sure slave drives are not backups
 
They're right down the hall from the day-care.
 
user559633
Which makes sense, because being a dough-bodied, permanently offended, personality-devoid, cotton-candy-haired lickspittle is way easier than just not being shitty and doing something of substance.
 
1:05 PM
@WayneWerner in ide/ata they're not primary/secondary... there's already primary/secondary, and they're different. The master controls the parallel bus on ATA connector.
 
@AndrasDeak No. But then again, calling them slaves is a bit weird, isn't it? Or does the primary drive in IDE/SATA control the slave drives?
 
@AndrasDeak a cat problem? This better not be Schrodinger's joke
 
btw, how do you unit test django views??
 
user559633
@khajvah test? ugh talk about meritocracy illusion
 
though:
Parallel ATA (PATA), originally AT Attachment, is an interface standard for the connection of storage devices such as hard disk drives, floppy disk drives, and optical disc drives in computers. The standard is maintained by the X3/INCITS committee. It uses the underlying AT Attachment (ATA) and AT Attachment Packet Interface (ATAPI) standards. The Parallel ATA standard is the result of a long history of incremental technical development, which began with the original AT Attachment interface, developed for use in early PC AT equipment. The ATA interface itself evolved in several stages from Western...
 
user559633
1:07 PM
just because a view passes a test doesn't mean it's better
 
@WayneWerner seems that I was wrong too
 
Heh. Nice.
 
@khajvah with django you must pretty much instantiate the whole django to test
 
I only write integration tests on Django. running the server and ...
 
They probably used master/slave because device0/device1 was too much printing. Also if you had 4 drives, they didn't want to just do deviceN or something
 
1:08 PM
@khajvah additionally, pyramid views usually just return a dictionary that is passed to the renderer. In django they explicitly call for template rendering, and well, you need to have the whole django set up for the tshi.
 
@AnttiHaapala oooooh dear. Why do I have a feeling that some of those idiots are my people? Or can you breed your own idiots?
 
@AndrasDeak I guess they're local produce
 
@AnttiHaapala nice. I will use Flask next time
 
user559633
my girlfriend dropped an earring backing down the drain. do i:
a) take apart the plumbing and fetch it
b) tell her that i can't retrieve it without potentially breaking the plumbing
c) buy a replacement backing and tell her that i took apart the plumbing to fetch it [bravery]
 
@khajvah Why would you? I mean, I guess you could, but that sounds like a pointless test... at least all of the view-ish unit tests seem awkward.
 
1:09 PM
I just got a notice of registration for our anti-immigration-quota referendum due in October:/ Made me real glad.
 
@khajvah what does flask have to do with this :d
 
@tristan magnet?
 
@tristan What's it made of? ;)
 
@tristan a)
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak too far down and behind a bend. magnet on a stick didn't work :/
 
1:10 PM
don't the US stuff have the removable part there?
 
backing should be cheap stuff, right?
 
ah it is just the backing, I somehow missed that word.
 
how the hell did she drop it behind a bend??
 
user559633
@WayneWerner not sure. i think it's just a standard backing. whatever those are made out of
 
@tristan if it is a small backing and non-metal (can cheat with a long magnet on a stick thing) I would not do 'a' cause it might be to far down the pipes (i.e. its in the sewers)
 
1:10 PM
Clearly your charisma isn't high enough to try "Baby you don't need jewelry."
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd you've met me right? of course my charisma is low
 
@tristan coming from you, Charisma sounds like a stripper's stage name
 
Or an STD.
 
I wouldn't have gone there:D
but I haven't met tristan:P
 
What happens in Boston stays in Boston - apart from the itching.
 
1:12 PM
@tristan If it's just a regular backing, I'd let it go. Swap it with another pair of earrings temporarily so she doesn't lose this set
 
@tristan We have traps like diy.stackexchange.com/a/53009/118
 
user559633
@JGreenwell yeah, there's a 180 degree bend pipe and a twist off access drain at the bottom, but it's a rental and i don't trust massachusetts construction work
 
Grind up to [smithing 15] and forge your own backing. We've got plenty of molten steel.
 
@tristan :/
 
yeah....don't mess with that
 
1:13 PM
@WayneWerner <shameful>my views contain lots of logic</shameful>
 
@Ffisegydd Thank goodness the roads do, yeesh
@khajvah Ah. Well, you should be testing that logic, then ;)
 
user559633
@WayneWerner yeah, this one is on pretty tight and well. think rental and "job's done" level of attention to detail
 
user559633
[Charisma 50] Convince a woman passing by on the street to give me the backing to one of her earrings
 
if it's not silver, it should be virtually free
 
user559633
1:14 PM
@AndrasDeak That...is the best idea since my buddy told me that he keeps "time of the month" products in the trunk of his car, so when his wife asks him to go pick one up at the store, he gets 30 minutes to himself away from his wife/baby.
 
@WayneWerner if it was SO, there would be 100 questions like "How to pull ring/earring/toothbrush/etc... out of the sink?"
 
[Wisdom 200] Join the sorcerer's guild and cast the epic-level spell "Create Greater Backing"
 
user559633
[callback to master/slave conversation] Kevin, please do not join any american "guild" that has "wizards" in it, plz/thnx
 
lol
 
1:16 PM
Haha yeah
 
user559633
"casts greater backing"
spell wears off
now getting yelled at, for some reason
 
@tristan That's pretty genius
 
morning everyone
 
morning corvid
 
@tristan s/buddy/bobby/
 
1:18 PM
Nah, American magic learning institutions are lousy. I'm still waiting for my Hogwarts acceptance letter.
 
user559633
my bobby? last time i called him that, he mailed me a box of spiders
 
at least it wasn't a bobcat
 
Scala has a ::: operator O_o
 
user559633
Where does it end Scala?
 
And a #:: operator D:
 
user559633
1:24 PM
What do they do? I don't have AOL on this computer and my mom's on the phone
 
::: is for concatenating two Lists, #:: is for constructing a Stream from two values
 
I miss AOL CDs - had a 1000 uses for those things
 
I've got AOL on my mobile now.
 
user559633
I think I'm going to bring dial-up into the nerdcop universe
 
so #:: is the tristan operator
he brings the values of love and empathy together to construct a stream (of DOOM)
 
1:26 PM
@tristan Please have nerdcop hack a dialup connection by speaking into the phoneline with the sound.
 
user559633
Oh, that's pretty good
 
this is stupid
 
user559633
What is that accent?
 
Chinese ?
 
something East Asian, definitely
 
1:29 PM
it costs 60 bucks
 
user559633
Sounds East Asian, but with an aggressive noise gate in post-filtering or she is forcing hard endings to words
 
user559633
I'm not sure they have the license for that song.
 
I watched Voltron yesterday and it occurred to me that the enemy guards would be much more effective if in-suit biometrics could detect when they get knocked out, and notify central security.
 
user559633
Haha, that product. The idea is what, you call a personal batman that won't get stuck in traffic?
 
maybe batmobile comes with it
 
1:31 PM
It seems like in every spy movie, the good guy can put 2-3 dudes in a sleeper hold and the rest of the evil lair doesn't notice.
 
user559633
Speaking of which, if you haven't watched it, go see Super. If it wasn't for some questionable editing at the beginning and Ellen Page being in it, it would be the best movie ever made
 
hey, Ellen Page is cute
 
Has this ever been subverted anywhere? Like the protagonist does his thing and gets settled in to sabotaging the ion drive or whatever, and the villain immediately comes on the intercom and says "did you really think I wouldn't notice three of my men's heart rate jump up to 90 bpm and then fall back in the span or thirty seconds?"
 
yeah that would be very hard in most organizations in reality with periodic radio checks and a supervisor checking random spots
which is common without the biotech
 
@AndrasDeak I wanted to ask her out but then found out that she is lesbian
 
1:33 PM
maybe Evil Managers are selected based on blind faith rather than work quality?
 
Also trash compactor cctv
 
When I'm an evil overlord, everyone gets a heart monitor. I could probably even get a tax writeoff for being health-conscious.
Also, all of my guards will be single fathers, and I will make it very clear to the protagonists that every neck they snap creates at least one orphan.
 
@Kevin and you could get some DARPA support for advancing frickin laser technology
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak terrible actress though
 
@tristan oh, that's possible:P
I didn't know that counts
 
1:35 PM
@tristan which accent, in the video?
 
@tristan She was fine in Inception to me
 
@AndrasDeak The Peter Principle applies in Evil organizations just as much as they apply to ordinary organizations.
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala yes
 
@Kevin heh, didn't know that one:D
interesting concept
 
thewiso is registered to Taiwan
I don't recognize that accent, other than they're trying hard to sound American.
 
1:38 PM
h4x0rd
 
but then I wouldn't probably recognize many accents
 
I only recognize the grave and the acute
oh, and the umlaut
which might or might not be an accent
 
@tristan Oh man, Rainn Wilson is pretty great.
 
Thinking about it, the only time a protagonist could likely pull this off (would give like 45 minutes, maybe hour, at max) was by hiding in the bathroom. Cause we (MPs) were loaded with so much stuff that it would add 20 minutes to a bathroom break just to take it off and on. @Kevin
 
@AndrasDeak ă, â, à, á, ả, ã, ạ, ơ, đ these are the ones in Vietnamese
though of course not all of them are "accents" but they're diacritics
 
1:42 PM
granted usually silent part of an infiltration is assumed to be a short window in real-life but that ruins the movie magic
 
Long enough at least to outrun an explosion
 
Finnish orthography requires one to use ž and š for "zh" and "sh" in loanwords, names, transliteration, but no one knows how to type them so they're not actually used.
 
I guess the trope doesn't get subverted often because the protagonist knows ahead of time whether periodic radio checks etc are likely to happen. There might be a zillion movies where the guards have biometrics, but at some point off-screen the protagonist discovers this and says "well obviously that doesn't work so let's try something that doesn't require sleeper holds"
 
well, technically "long enough to outrun the drone or smart bomb that is inbound to the target you just set or lazer tagged" but sure
 
1:48 PM
@AnttiHaapala that's an odd choice of notation
 
unless you need data and then everyone has "hack-anything" usb devices of course
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm not even sure how to type that on a mac...
 
ž press 'n hold, my man. š
 
In Voltron, the sciency protagonist hacks into an alien drone in literally three seconds, having never before interacted with that species' technology. This bothered me until I remembered the target audience was ten year olds.
 
ž ah there we go. Interesting
 
1:50 PM
... and thirty-something males who watched the original series when they were ten.
 
ç is my current favourite though. ch. ch. ch. in Albanian.
 
@Kevin Kind of like Independence Day ;)
 
Ha, I thought of exactly that when the scene happened.
 
As in 'Çfarë është kjo?' What is this? SO many accents në Shqiptar
Gah, that scene in independence day bugged me in 1996, and I wasn't even really into computers then. AND it was from a mac, iirc, which seems doubly unlikely in '96.
 
user559633
independence day was a shit movie
 
1:53 PM
@Withnail looks a lot like an end-of-word sigma
 
@AndrasDeak the rule in Finnish is that one letter matches one phoneme, more or less.
 
@JonClements dev.sopython.com. 3567 IN A 192.241.137.101, although I just get a 502 when visiting it right now
 
DSM
Morning cabbage for all.
 
cabbage
 
@AnttiHaapala then it makes more sense:)
 
1:55 PM
at least an astromech droid makes some sense (number crunchingly heavy AI for navigation) which is the first time I've been able to use Star Wars in a science fiction sense
 
in vietnamese it is common to have 2 diacritics on one vowel.
 
I take a perverse delight in the fact that someone is using numpy to know if tic-tac-toe has a winner
 
DSM
@Withnail: just a while ago I heard that in the original ID script there were references to the fact the tech types had spent years reverse engineering the original alien computers and so actually understood their OS. Still seems implausible to me, but at least it's more plausible than in the released version.
 
Like in Nguyễn or Trần, which are the most common surnames.
 
user559633
in america is is common to have 2 critics in a movie review
 
1:57 PM
... and windows phone totally fscked up these :D was so funny to see the flagship products in stores when all the texts were so screwed.
 
@DSM Yeah, that link Andras sent has the deleted scene mentioned in there.
 
I'll be the other movie critic. My gimmick is that I don't actually see the film, and I only appear in the review show via a telescreen broadcasting from my room.
 
DSM
Shame on me for not following links at work. Or maybe not. :-)
 
@WayneWerner isn't that basically the plot of War Games?
 
"I give Independence Day three out of five stars. It must not have been very good, because after it came out I didn't see any commercials describing how well it was doing"
Any film described as "the best film of the year" when it was released in February, automatically gets one star.
 
DSM
1:59 PM
They don't even get points for honesty? (Assuming it's true, I guess.)
 

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