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5:00 PM
@asimkon OK, new as I am - that is a shocker!
No wonder you guys get frustrated!
 
@Cam_Aust We close duplicate questions, linking them to a "dupe target". The closed question will appear in the list of linked questions in the sidebar on the dupe target's page.
 
Might be more productive to ask that question in the C++ room, for the same reason that you wouldn't ask how best to purify iron ore in a car enthusiast's forum
 
@Cam_Aust No one has replied to me and i hope to get something from this chat room otherwise we would not discuss python matters
 
@asimkon read those yamming rules
and before davidism arrives
 
too late
 
5:03 PM
:D
cabbage
 
cabbage
 
DSM
cabbage!
 
cabbage
 
I suspect most people that use Python don't actually know how to build Python from source. I sure can't.
 
DSM
I don't know how to build anything from source on Windows. On *nix, I always build from source.
 
5:05 PM
@Cam_Aust Sometimes it's ok to post an answer to a dupe, if the answers at the dupe target don't quite match the new question, or to summarise and condense the info in those answers, although it's probably better to post a summary on the dupe target page itself. Sometimes, a new question is actually better and more helpful to future readers than the original. So in that case we write an answer, and dupe-close the old question, with the new question as the target!
 
you just have to avoid being dragged out on meta
closing the old with your new needs some good objective reasons
and the new one better be good
 
@Kevin that's exactly. It's difficult also to find python - windows users to reply to the questios that i have got
 
@Kevin It's actually pretty easy (at least, on Linux it is), presuming you have the necessary dev packages installed.
 
dev_packages.exe
it works like that on Win, right?
 
Well, I am new, and I did not realise you had posted it. It is very long and does not lend itself well to being answered in view of this or so it seems to me. It comes across as - I have not got time to solve this, throw it out there and hope others can work it out for me. I am sure that is not how it is, but how it comes across. So its not what you ask but how it comes across (right or wrong).
May I suggest add more on what you have eliminated as the cause already to narrow down how others can help.
 
5:09 PM
@AndrasDeak Hell yeah! We generally leave that job to Martijn. :)
 
@PM2Ring Ok so it is quite a considered (and for you guys more time consuming) thing. Thanks, helps. I wish I could duplicate the thoughtfulness in some of the processes here in real world human meeting processes somehow.
 
@Cam_Aust: You may enjoy reading this article by SO's co-founder: Optimizing For Pearls, Not Sand.
 
Long shot, but is there a SO post, or even an article anywhere on the Internet, that describes why "choose your own adventure" style control flow is a bad idea? This is an example of what I mean. restart can call gtinQuestion, quantityQuestion can call itself and gtinQuestion, and gtinQuestion can call itself or quantityQuestion.
 
@PM2Ring
Reading ...
 
I don't think I've ever built python on Windows, but I've done it many times on a varity of linuxes
 
5:16 PM
I see this antipattern all the time. It's insidious because it seems very simple to the newbie eye, but when an error occurs, the stack trace is so huge it becomes impossible to troubleshoot.
 
Bleh, real sick of this framework :\
 
Me too and the project that I'm using it in. :P
 
@PM2Ring fair enough
 
@Kevin That's not a choose your own adventure style control flow, that's just circular references b/c the OP doesn't have a clear understanding of the responsibilities/separation of concerns of his program bits
There's nothing wrong with making menus and asking if they want to retry
the problem is that the control flow is totally unclear, and too many things know about things they shouldn't know anything about
 
@Kevin Fair call, but I guess it can be a reasonable introduction to recursion, and it's simpler to understand than a proper state machine, especially for newbies. OTOH, it does lead to those newbies using recursion where a simple while loop will do, as we've seen in far too many questions.
 
5:20 PM
quantityQuestion should never be calling gtinQuestion
 
@Programmer which one you using?
 
that's a bit worrying - I just ordered a new audio cable off amazon - rarely use it - so old card was expired, updated with a new one... it didn't ask me for the cvc
 
@PM2Ring And that was all said back in 2011. Wow! OK.
 
Using recursion for my input functions was always my favorite use of recursion :)
It was in C++ in school, of course...
 
I know it's symptomatic of a larger more general problem. I dunno. It just pains me to see people all making the same mistakes.
 
5:22 PM
@corvid I meant a php framework.
 
@Kevin Let's blame Zed Shaw!
 
Well that does sound terrible
 
'Kay.
 
I think I'm going to start answering all obviously-homework questions in recursion
 
def choice():
    answer = input('Would you like to continue? (Y/N): ')
    if answer.upper() == 'Y':
        return True
    elif answer.upper() == 'N':
       return False
    else:
        print('***ERROR, invalid input!***')
        return choice()
Something like that
but I was never insane enough to try and call other functions from my input function. That's just crazy talk.
 
5:25 PM
@JonClements any chance you'll be prompted when you buy? Or did you buy?
 
@Kevin I only read your description of the call structure when I made my previous reply. I just had a look at the actual code. Ok, that's pretty horrible. :)
 
oh wait, you bought
how is that even possible?
 
@Kevin I don't know that recursion/whatever is necessarily to blame. I think it's a matter of the OP being in a little too deep.
 
although I have bought once something without my cvc, but my card is a silly little Maestro
 
@WayneWerner In Asking the user for input until they give a valid response, I try to steer readers away from that design because of Python's small maximum recursion depth. Of course, the design is perfectly fine in languages with larger depths and / or proper tail-call recursion optimization.
 
5:26 PM
my office is always super irritatingly loud, what do?
 
it's not embossed, so I'm less surprised
@corvid headphones?
with good music?
 
@Kevin i think now my post is better and more readable...
 
@AndrasDeak Order has apparently gone through without issues
 
@AndrasDeak super irritatingly loud, goes straight through even sound blocking headphones
 
instrumental, preferably (at least I always listen to the lyrics)
 
5:27 PM
Move to other offices and steal their coffee.
 
@Kevin If the user exceeds the maximum recursion depth on input, I will be extremely impressed. By default it's what, 1000?
 
@corvid chainsaw?
 
Yeah. Note: I have extremely little faith in end-users.
 
leave a passive-aggressive note on the kitchen fridge?
 
@WayneWerner Yeah, we get that a lot. And that's easy enough to convert to a while loop, so there's no good excuse for doing it recursively. :)
 
5:27 PM
call Janice from Accounting?
 
No but some guy is kicking around a big metal thing, I don't even get what they're doing
 
@inspectorG4dget omfg - that's so weird... one of my old clients used to have an account called "Janice" :p
 
@JonClements there's this, answer says that CVC is more like a habit than necessity for charging you:D
 
@asimkon Ok, but could you put it in a code block? I'd like to see it with the original indentation preserved.
 
5:28 PM
@AndrasDeak yes that is possible github.com/boundary/libdnet/issues/3 int to int in pyconfig.h
 
@PM2Ring You have to write garbage code if you want to do it recursively. And by garbage code I mean initializing your choice to something that you don't want to be valid. I hate something about that.
 
I'm a little worried I'm sending you on a wild goose chase here... I'm assuming that the error message as it originally appeared didn't wrap at 80 characters, and that's just a property of the window you copied it from. I don't know if this is actually the case.
 
choice = 'garbage input'
while choice not in ('Y', 'N'):
    # do stuff here
 
@corvid Not good, I sympathise when your trying to think.
 
@asimkon why are you telling me that here?
Did I ask? What is possible?
 
5:30 PM
yeah, I mean you can do that... but it offends my sensibilites. I didn't even like using a do ... while in C++ for that, though it was the same principle :P
 
Well you can always do
 
@AndrasDeak you just put a comment i think
 
while True:
    answer = input('Would you like to continue? (Y/N): ')
    if answer not in ("Y", "N"):
        print "try again"
        continue
    return answer == "Y"
Although I can understand if you object to having an unconditional return in a while.
 
@WayneWerner Fair point. An alternative is to set choice to None, or maybe to '' which is slightly cleaner than a garbage string. The usual Python way is to use a while True: loop, with the condition inside the loop. My C instincts find that slightly kludgy though, so I know where you're coming from.
 
while True with explicit break/continue/return/whatever control flow inside is, I feel, the least bad of all the possible options.
 
5:34 PM
@asimkon I did. So why are you messaging me on chat?
 
Because @-alerting someone from a comment doesn't make that "ping!" sound that's sure to get their attention :-P
 
@Kevin i just copied it from ms dos and the code indentation was unreadable!
@Kevin i hope now would be better!
 
OK off to other tasks. rbhb all
 
@JonClements lol! I was more referencing John Oliver, but that works, too
 
Possibly you might be able to get the original indentation by doing [whatever your original command was] >> error_log.txt, then opening error_log.txt in notepad and pasting it into the question.
 
5:37 PM
@AndrasDeak if you have got a solution or idea or perhaps you do not know?
 
@davidism having read about class attributes today (and how they are accessed by all class instances, in particular mutable attributes), do you think that should also be among the common gotchas? This was entirely new to me, but I'm also an OOP noob (and not even learning)
@asimkon why do you keep asking me about a question on which I have already commented?
 
Is it ok to reject a pending edit on a closed dupe with the "causes harm" reason, with this rejection comment: "Approving this edit would bump this closed dupe to the front page."
 
dunno
"no improvement" can be OK too?
 
Will it actually improve the question?
 
Hmm, a bit too meta for my tastes
 
5:40 PM
as in "current state, being closed, is better than edited bumped reopen-queued"
 
@Kevin I think everything will be ok now?
 
:D
hugs Kevin
 
@AndrasDeak I usually do "no improvement", but the edit is quite good, and I don't want to confuse the poor kid who suggested it.
 
@PM2Ring ah OK
 
Then I'd approve it
 
5:42 PM
maybe it's worth a ping, then (on one of their other posts), whatever you choose
because bump+reopen queue are 2 good reasons against an edit
unless it was closed after their suggestion
 
@vaultah It would, but they're only cosmetic changes, like capitalization & code formatting. And as I said, it's a dupe & it shouldn't be re-opened.
 
Meh, I'd still approve it. Then re-close the Q if it gets reopened
 
@AndrasDeak It was closed the same minute as they made their suggestion. Damn. Too late. It just got approved, an hour after it was submitted. :(
 
at least you can ping the editor on the post in question
to inform them, even if this was not their fault
people usually care
 
@AndrasDeak Probably not much point, since it wasn't actually closed when he started composing his edit suggestion.
 
5:50 PM
Umm, looking at that edit, I think I'd actually go for "no improvement"
 
6:09 PM
Well, OP Disagrees. Let me clarify.
 
DSM
Teaching coworkers Python is harder than I thought.. the temptation just to write the code yourself is very hard to resist.
 
:)
ask them to ask on SO, that would be equivalent
 
DSM
All of the questions they have would be dupes, though. ;-)
 
this comes to mind
 
I just jump straight to maximum internal rage right at the start. Saves me time.
 
6:18 PM
Kevin SMASH!
(on the inside)
 
I tried to explain to someone the other day why the 8 or so divs of HTML isn't just "plug and play" when each div has 3 or 4 CSS classes.
 
I bet I do a dozen things every day that elicit that kind of reaction in other people.
It'd be nice if there was a way to correct these deficiencies without me feeling like a dummy.
"You're not being let in to the lane because you didn't signal looooong enooooouuuugh"
"You dropped that dime because when I went to give you change you moved your hand to intercept mine instead of just letting me come to youuuuuuuu"
 
whoa whoa whoa! If you're going to be super reasonable about this and are going to talk about how we all have some niche training, and that we should be tolerant and understanding of others' lack of experience in our fields, then I don't know how to talk to you all
 
"You screwed up what could have been shared camraderie by being too reasonaaaable"
;-)
 
Some of the companies on stack overflow careers are bretty interdasting
 
6:26 PM
yes, work() I will start some IO and while IO is running I want to do reboot — v.jain 2 mins ago
I bet there's an interesting story behind this XY problem.
He wants to deliberately shut down the computer while writing data to a file... Is he making some kind of "chaos monkey" testing apparatus?
Maybe he works for NASA and needs to find out what happens when a dust storm knocks out the power on the Mars rover for fifteen seconds while it's drilling.
haha. "I want to do it because I want to do it". Mystery solved.
 
DSM
It's hard to object to the logic.
 
Or he reached the "maximum internal rage" state. "GIVE ME THE ANSWER!"
 
It's technically correct. The best kind of correct!
I already told him to use threading. I wash my hands of the matter.
Haha. I rephrased Ian's request for clarification, giving an example of what a good "why" explanation would be and before I submitted it, I worried "I hope OP doesn't reply with something like, '... Yeah, sure, what you said is my reason'". Then he posts this:
@Kevin : yes you are correct somewhat — v.jain 1 min ago
Now we'll never know if that's his actual motive, or if it's just something he agreed to in order to get us to stop making comments
"The Why is whatever you want it to be, as long as you do the needful"
 
6:53 PM
My body is broken.
 
DSM
I regret that I have to go to a meeting before I can find out why.
 
You'll never know! Mhwhahahaha. It's Badminton actually.
You have your Friday Indian lunch, I have my Wednesday Badminton masochism session. We are people of habit.
 
Fitness chat. After a ~10 month lapse I'm back to a daily regimen of situps. After holding steady around 100/day for four weeks, I've been increasing my count by 20 per day. I did 240 yesterday.
Sometimes my spine makes a noise like pouring milk onto a bowl of Rice Krispies. This worries me mildly.
 
Sounds tasty.
 
Maybe try a 'plank' to replace some situps.
 
6:58 PM
Isn't that when you lie flat on weird things?
I read about it on one of those youngster internet pages.
 
This time my goal is not sweet abs (as I have determined they will be hidden by my paunch as long as I maintain my current diet), but rather sweet "grit". I wish to exercise my ability to do things I don't want to do, so I can have that skill in other parts of my life.
Returning library books, filling TPS reports. That kind of thing.
I try not to think too hard about the paradox of wanting to do situps because it's something I don't want to do.
@Programmer I'm already pretty good at lying down.
 
Grrrr, my test suite requires me to be connected to a VPN, so I always get worried when I first run it, because everything starts failing.
 
@MorganThrapp perhaps add a sanity check that sys.exit()s if you're not VPN'd?
 
too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/37710312/… Also, OP doesn't have a clue :)
 
Well there is probably another term for it, but I always heard it called "planks". You are supposed to basically lay down then put your weight on your forearms and hold the position for a while.
 
7:04 PM
@Kevin That's terribly delightfully horrible
 
@inspectorG4dget That's actually really smart.
It's been a week, I'm a little embarrassed I didn't think of that.
 
Like many STEM types, I fit the description of "coasted through N years of school on general brightness, never learning to try hard". I'm hoping that committing to an activity that's impossible to coast through may habilitate my atrophied tryhard powers.
Current result: nope. Maybe it takes longer than 30 days?
 
@PM2Ring That's frightening
 
@Kevin just find a type of exercise you like to do so it isn't so much of a chore.
 
@MorganThrapp no sweat. The simplest of solutions are the most difficult to "think of" because you are likely too close to the problem. It takes "a fresh set of eyes"
 
7:06 PM
But if it's not a chore, I won't get any grit.
 
@Kevin I think I'm lucky that my mom didn't push me through homeschooling. I pretty much spent ages 14-18 playing video games, doing lots of stuff outside, building things with friends, working once I was over 16....
 
@inspectorG4dget Now I just have to figure out how to do that in C#. :/
 
@WayneWerner I hope nobody's paying him to write their crypto system for them. :)
 
I actually had to work through school. Though once I got things then I started to get more things
ironically, I got A's in the toughest classes in college, and nearly failed classes that were "easy"
 
Hmm, interesting.
 
7:07 PM
apparently "easy" means "rote memorization, don't bother thinking about things"
 
@MorganThrapp there has to be a way to query the state of a specific network adapter through .NET or similar. Thoughts?
 
I worked hard at those classes to earn my A's there. The easy classes were just full of Google material, so why try?
 
@WayneWerner I know that problem far too well. Even now, people have to give me more work than I can do, in order to keep me productive
 
@inspectorG4dget Probably. It's a fairly easy test, just "can I hit this database".
 
oh that works, too!
 
7:09 PM
@MorganThrapp If your tests are written in C#? Me, I'd just write a helper that tried to ping somewhere that was only available on the VPN. Fails? Abort the tests
rbrb, lunch!
 
not feeling too good, and I'm just waiting on an email
Rhubarb folks. I'm going to nap this off
 
@WayneWerner They are. I just started learning C# a little bit ago, so I'm still amazed I got these tests running at all. :P
See yah, Wayne.
 
bon apetit, Wayne
 
See yah, Inspector.
 
My best classes were ones that taught things that could be derived from first principles. Here's the Pythagorean theorem and here's how you can prove it from Euclidean axioms. Here's the quadratic formula and here's how to get to it from "completing the square". Here's integral calculus, and here's how you derive new formulas by plugging functions into the fundamental theorem.
 
7:11 PM
The Inspector's out, We can all break rules now!
Cya @inspec ;)
 
lol! well done Bhargav
 
@BhargavRao self-deleted
 
@Kevin 10,000 hours, clearly. You do your situps in what? 20 minutes? 113 years, brah.
 
That's only if I want expert-level grit. I'm just trying to catch up to my neurotypical peers. 50th percentile is just fine, thanks.
I bet the view from the top of the bell curve is pretty nice.
I intend to keep going until I've completely filled the note card that I write each day's progress on. Hopefully by then I will have enough grit to find a new note card.
Ooh, or I could turn it over. That's another five weeks of runway right there.
 
@MorganThrapp C# is just like an overly verbose version of Python with some weird hangups that you wouldn't normally expect.
 
@WayneWerner That's been my experience so far. I like it much more than I thought I would.
 
Feel your pain, Kevin. I did a PhD because I'd never been challenged, really.
Wasn't difficult as such, just a bloody slog, which isn't the same.
Schools don't teach you to learn, ime. I just coast about a bit and pick up enough stuff to be kind of good at things.
 
8:03 PM
@MorganThrapp I don't have anything against C#. Except the braces. And "tuples". And requiring me to type break; at the end of every case, even though there's literally no such thing as fallthrough.
 
@WayneWerner My big complaint is that certain variables can't be inspected because the type is generated at run time.
 
and out params.
 
Meh, out params I can deal with. I learned on Delphi.
 
Yeah...
You mean in the interactive debugger? Or via intellisense or something?
 
All of it.
 
8:05 PM
That's odd. I would expect it to be inspected while running... at least if it's in scope
 
Method System.Reflection.RuntimeAssembly.get_IsDynamic cannot be called in this context. is the bane of my existence right now.
 
that's dumb
It's like the worst of both worlds
at least with Python you can introspect all the things at runtime
even if you don't know what they are when you're compiling
 
You would think so.
Right now, I think maybe an id is wrong, but I don't even know which ID, or what the value is.
 
how... how do you even do anything with the value? I mean, can't you do a watch expression or something?
If you can't do that, then how in the world does C# even use the type?
unclear stackoverflow.com/q/37711650/344286 namely there's no actual problem statement
"here's what I have so far, guys", is effectively how I read that.
 
This answer provides a nice insight to the difference between the normal approaches and numpy stackoverflow.com/a/37640352/4099593
 
8:25 PM
@MorganThrapp that's a bit rubbish
C# room?
 
I'm in there right now getting help for stuff. :P
 
DSM
Let us know what they're like! I don't mind C#.
 
with our powers combined!
 
They're surprisingly nice!
I asked a question with only the loosest of possible MCVEs and they didn't murder me!
 
DSM
Then they're welcome to visit Cabbage Country, where we can repay our debt of honour for their aid to one of ours. :-)
 
8:36 PM
A Pythonista always pays their debts.
 
@MorganThrapp it must be the Skeet radiation you're feeling
 
DSM
"Pythonauts!" shouted tristan, from wherever it is tristan is when he's not here..
 
Crying in the shower?
 
Oops, I think I summoned him.
 
@DSM the cynical dimension
 
8:37 PM
Is there anyother way to round down, apart from quantize?
 
@Ffisegydd Is that what he calls your flat?
 
(Need it for an answer, I am not able to think of one)
 
@BhargavRao int()?
or math.floor()?
 
math.floor?
 
@AndrasDeak Rounding down a float.
 
8:38 PM
@BhargavRao yes.
 
@MorganThrapp It's what he calls the porch outside of my window, standing in the rain, because I won't let him in.
 
2.667 to 2.66
 
int() will round towards 0, math.floor() will round towards -inf
@BhargavRao oh:P
will you hate me if I say numpy?
 
from numpy import * will solve all of your ills (for a given definition of solve).
 
@AndrasDeak Share your answer here stackoverflow.com/q/37712306/4099593. Numpy is one solid way
 
8:40 PM
Well. That's the most bizarre postgres behavior that I've encountered: stackoverflow.com/q/37712491/344286
 
@BhargavRao I don't want to contribute to numpy establishing itself as the jquery of python
 
and round might always round properly, not "down"
 
Why yes, I am a wizard at paint.
 
@BhargavRao decimal? Multiply by N*10, then round, and divide again?
 
8:41 PM
@WayneWerner that would be good for the "always round down" aspect
but there's an answer for that
 
<3 commander keen
 
@Withnail that would have been better if you had used Captain Keen ;)
 
@WayneWerner There's this answer here stackoverflow.com/a/37712389/4099593 for that :)
 
I give him his dues, not like all those meanies in-game. ;)
Today's lesson: loading tens of millions of rows into memory is bad. Enjoyed the answers to these questions though, giving them a try tomorrow. stackoverflow.com/questions/4222176/…
 
Yes, that would be :P
 
Reminds me of the time working at the highway department I wrote a script to take a several million line file and split it into ~150k lines each
Vim actually opened the file, but navigating didn't work so well
Notepad just crashed and burned
 
I'm now bouncing around using files instead of holding the variables in memory, seems to be eh... 'slightly' more stable.
 
Night rhubarb, everybody. It's closing time!
 
just watch out, at least with ext4 if you have tens of thousands of files, the node info stars to take up considerable space, even after the files are removed
@MorganThrapp rhubarb
 
DSM
Console.WriteLine("rhubarb"); // edit to fix comment error # edit to fix sign error
 
8:58 PM
that's not python >:|
have you been bitten by the JS bug?
 
Looks like C#
It's not JS
 
console.log is JS
 
HA!
so I'm not entirely nuts
 
DSM
Morgan was on a C# journey earlier.
 
9:00 PM
at least it's unrelated
@DSM oh yeah, right
 
@AndrasDeak You just didn't See Sharp ;)
(inspec is not here, So need to continue his job)
 
:P
you mean you don't read it as "cee number sign"? ;)
or as I like to call it, cékettÅ‘skereszt
 
9:20 PM
@WayneWerner it is absolutely beyond me why Notepad isn't the most lightweight editor Windows can run, capable of maxing out the available RAM before it hits any difficulties
 
Rhubarb all
 
Rhubarb bhargav.
Good advice Andras, I'm only using a couple of files (although they'll be big), so should be ok. Good thing to mind for the future.
 
yup, took me a while to figure out why an empty directory occupied 44 megabytes
and it can only be fixed by deleting the directory, the allocated node storage can't be freed otherwise
 
ouch
(See also my improperly rotated 12gb log file. :D )
 
rotated?
 
9:30 PM
@RobertGrant The most lightweight editor Windows can run is probably ed ;-)
 
I'm pretty sure Notepad is about on a par with Word
Textpad is quite good though, and does about a million more things than Notepad
 
Yeah, you know how standard log files move to log.1, log.2 and then overwrite the oldest on a weekly basis? I wasn't doing that.
So it just appended forever... and forever... and forever.
 
ah OK:D
 
=/ well I had a discouraging end of day
I think tonight will be beer night
 
9:47 PM
had one of those frustrating troubleshooting sessions, where I was at it for too long that I missed the obvious. Asked for a second set of eyes...felt pretty stupid.
 
don't
 
I guess it depends where you put them
 
it's easy to get tangled in the problem after a while, and someone fresh can really help out
It's the same thing when you're giving a lecture, find an error, and can't find the source for the life of you. But the students, sitting back a few meters (that's a few feet for you Northern Americans), can spot it much more clearly
 
yeah I suppose....trying not to be too hard on myself....just thinking back at some of the steps I took, and wondered why I never did that one thing... grrr...anyway...need to let it go
 
benefit of hindsight:)
it's only obvious once you realize it
 
9:58 PM
@idjaw develop better hindsight
Like that Doctor Who episode with the alien who repeats what the doctor says, and the gap between when he says something and it repeats it shortens and shortens, until eventually it's speaking before he is.
It's surprising that I've never been asked to teach anyone.
 
^^ @RobertGrant definitely...a constant work in progress
it's funny though, because I know I've solved similar problems doing exactly what solved my problem :P
 
that's not really surprising;)
 
making myself feel better by fixing more bugs and migrating more projects to the new CI :D
 
user559633
10:26 PM
@idjaw a couple nights ago, i "debugged" a caching problem. on the wrong cache server.
 
hey @tristan . Thanks for sharing. As Robert said...I really need to work on that hindsight. But, since we are sharing...
the slave on the new CI ended up using a newer version of tox...which wasn't carrying over env variables in to its venv. All while troubleshooting, I was outputting more logging, and running my test commands...but never actually running tox...
finally, when fellow colleague suggested...oh hey...the new slaves even though are using the same flavor name are probably running different versions of tox.....run tox..replicate problem...add passenv=<stuff> and works
\o/
 
user559633
unless you're talking a week, don't beat yourself up for it. any sufficiently-sized project is thoroughly complex and it's easy to follow a thread for too long
 
user559633
and getting bit on something that would be in the changelog is totally understandable
 
was over the course of two days going back to it between other things that I had to do. But...in the spirit of not dwelling
how was your day?
 
user559633
two days is nothing.
 
user559633
10:38 PM
i've actually thought about this before -- it gets harder to enlist help and get people to pair with you on debugging something the more senior you get. when you're a newbie, people will help you check your confs and take time to help you research and learn. when you've no longer new, you either get a "oh i'm sure you'll figure it out" or more-hands-off feedback
 
which makes it tough to sometimes to just say "hey...I'm stumped...can we please look at this together"
 
user559633
yeah, it gets harder to not know things or get a helpful response when you say "i don't know"
 
user559633
the half of the work day that's gone by has been okay. i've been sick and brain-fogged, but i should have another couple screens of my user flow done by 4am. thanks for asking. besides the debugging, how was yours?
 
it was pretty good actually. We had a lunch and learn to introduce the new CI and people seemed really interested which was great! Fixed a bunch of other small bugs and am in the process of putting in the final pr for our biggest project to move in to the new CI.
weighing it all out, today was a good day! (take that negative-me!!)
 
user559633
11:00 PM
the github "punch card" view on a repo is neat
 
user559633
 
user559633
doubles as a sleep chart
 
user559633
haha neat. his/her chart says worlds. mine just communicates human sadness
 
was the butts one here or in another room?
 
11:08 PM
@RobertGrant I think it's because Notepad tries to put the entire file into RAM. Which is fine for smaller files, but not for a 15GB log file :D
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak sounds like here. edit: or not.
 
Epic winning
 
I have a sneaky suspicion that they just used the --date flag ;)
 
11:14 PM
or they are just very patient:P
and disciplined
 
DSM
Super-brief cabbage for all.
 
user559633
cbg
 
cbg all
 
cbg
 
DSM
11:25 PM
Loading up media for a gym trip. Can't let Kevin have all the exercise-related fun.
Fair warning: I may have some best practice questions for Python CI for our ops experts in the near future. Please ignore their stupidity and remember I'm the math guy, not the get-things-to-work guy. :-)
 
What's your routine?
 
__init__
oh wait they are called methods in python:(
 
11:41 PM
Shot in the dark. Anyone ever heard of a module that takes a video clip and an mp3 or some audio file and edits the video clip by duplicating one specific sound .. you know what just see what I mean: youtube.com/watch?v=fZGMh50TjSg
 

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