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2:00 PM
In the old days, when CPU speeds were glacial compared to modern hardware it was common for a group of friends to divide the task of rendering a single frame up among several machines. So if you want to you can render an image in separate horizontal bands and stitch them together seamlessly. Or start rendering an image on Windows, kill the render with ^C, reboot into Linux and resume where you left off. :)
 
that's sick
 
user559633
"Or start rendering an image on Windows, kill the render with ^C, reboot into Linux and resume where you left off. :)"

You mean abandon the work, or was there some way to start the render in windows, reboot into linux, and pick up the work that was started?
 
user559633
gd stackoverflow chat
 
yeah, multiline formatting sucks
 
Of course, not everyone can grok the concept of doing 3D rendering via scripts. :) So various people have made programs that let you create POV scene files via GUI. But to get the full power, you _do _need to know the POV-Ray SDL (Scene Description Language),
which is actually a full Turing-complete programming language built on top of the original POV-Ray language which was purely a 3D scene description language with no programing constructs. So some of the syntax is a bit weird, but you soon get used to it. :)
 
2:06 PM
hmm... yesterday's xkcd is python-related
now where's my yamming markdown??
 
try putting an http:// at the start of the url
 
thank you...
should've went with SELECT http://xkcd.com/1676 FROM Internet;
 
@tristan No, not abandon it. Just stop rendering it, and then restart it later. And if you want to you can restart it on a different OS or even a different machine, as long as you keep the partial output file. The renderer looks at the partial PNG (or whatever) file, sees what's the last valid full line in it, and continues on from there automatically.
Or you can specify starting and stopping lines on the command line, rather than hitting ^C. It's got a zillion comand line parameters that give you a lot of control, but you don't need to learn them all just to do simple rendering.
Here's a somewhat "golfed" POV-Ray program:
 
@AndrasDeak I posted it yesterday ;)
 
global_settings{max_trace_level 99 assumed_gamma 1}
#declare N=99;#declare K=.75;#declare A=-2;#declare D=(11/3-A)/N;
#declare B=.15;#declare C=.35/B;union{#declare I=1;#while(I<=N)
#declare T=I/N;#declare TH=A*2*pi;#declare R=B*exp(A*K);
sphere{<R*cos(TH),R*sin(TH),C*R>,R}#declare I=I+1;#declare A=A+D;
#end pigment{rgb <1,.7,.8>}finish{phong.7 reflection 1}
rotate x*9 translate<0,3,9>}light_source{<2,4,-8>rgb 1.3}
plane{y,-9 pigment{checker rgb 0 rgb 1 scale 5 rotate 45*y}
finish{reflection 1}rotate -x*35}
 
2:20 PM
@PM2Ring that's actually not horrible
 
Hmm, yesterday there was a protest at city hall in opposition to a new soda tax, and it apparently gummed up traffic in a multi-block radius. City hall is about six blocks from the programming meetup I'm trying to attend tonight. Is a soda tax the kind of thing you can protest about for more than one day?
 
I guess it helps that there aren't really a whopping great many things you can do. We're talking about rendering 3d stuff
@Kevin if you really like sugar water. Or hate government.
 
This may alter my decision about whether I should drive or take the subway...
 
And here's its output converted to JPG
The code above doesn't specify the image size, quality, antialiasing, or output format, you do that on the command line when you run it.
 
user559633
@Kevin Depends how well funded and supported they are by Pepsi and Coca Cola
 
2:24 PM
Most of the jams were caused by big brand-name soda trucks, so... A lot?
 
user559633
Yeah, so they'll just pay their drivers to block traffic. There's a shitload of money to be made in selling addictive poisons to gullible people.
 
addictive poisons? I'll buy 10
 
@tristan Careful with that edge.
 
@tristan What, you mean sodium in my sugar water doesn't quench my thirst???
 
user559633
Taxing soda is just another move by big government! buys soda with food stamps
 
user559633
2:27 PM
@MorganThrapp I mean, it's not even edgy.
 
cbg
 
user559633
I'm kind of a fucking moron too in that I have redbull in my fridge as if it gives me more energy to code than just putting sugar and salt into water
 
user559633
cbg davidism
 
@tristan I mean, the caffeine helps.
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp I feel like if you lived in my area, this would be the start of a new energy drink company.
 
2:30 PM
@tristan Ha, probably.
 
I view energy drinks as a way to borrow alertness from the future, with modest interest.
 
I'm not a big fan of energy drinks, but I do like cocktails. Maybe we could make an alcoholic energy drinks. Call it two-crazy?
 
user559633
"yeah, then we should add in a bit of citric acid as a preservative"
 
I don't see any way that could go wrong.
 
user559633
@Kevin /me sips coffee and nods
 
2:32 PM
Which can work in your favor, ex. You double your productivity at 10 AM, and at 10 PM you're too burnt out to do your usual routine of "let's stare at the ceiling and think of all the embarassing things we've done our whole lives"
 
BTW, here's a Mandelbrot pi program that iterates on the vertical line at the neck of the M set.
for n in range(1, 7):
    z = c = complex(-0.75, 10**-n)
    i = 0
    while abs(z) < 2:
        z = z*z + c
        i += 1
    print(n, i, i * c.imag)
output
1 32 3.2
2 314 3.14
3 3142 3.142
4 31416 3.1416
5 314159 3.14159
6 3141592 3.141592
 
how do I use pip3 with python3.5? all its installs are installing to the python3.4 directory o_O
 
Stop using the system install.
Use a virtualenv with the Python version you want, then just use pip from the env.
 
I guess I can do this, I was hoping since I'm using a docker container for my runtime I wouldn't have to do that bleh
 
Then point at the executable you want. Obviously, the version of pip that was installed links to 3.4. Find the one that links to 3.5, or call it as a module.
 
2:37 PM
@davidism ah, good idea
 
Why do you even have multiple versions installed in a docker? That's just bloat.
 
@MorganThrapp There actually were these. They killed people because you had folks who didn't realize that 300mg caffiene in 30 minutes was a problem, and people who didn't realize that 6 beers worth-of-alcohol in 30 minutes was a problem. And then you had the interesection of those people o.O
 
@davidism that's... a good question, though some of them are part of the system environment
 
@enderland Use Alpine Linux ;)
 
we have to use ubuntu. I'm already hacking the process we have slightly by making my own custom dockerfile :|
 
@enderland Even for the docker containers? Lovely
 
user559633
let's argue about which linux runs underneath a language that abstracts those details with a vm
 
@WayneWerner well somewhat
 
2:44 PM
@davidism done (all of those heh)
 
That wildfire in Canada is brutal.
 
@davidism I guess a virtual environment will work
 
@enderland I always do python -m pip install <foo> because then there's no confusion about which python it is. It's which python ;)
 
@WayneWerner well python3.5 in my case :)
 
such a meow I am
 
user559633
2:51 PM
 
user559633
i want a dog so much
 
I don't even want a dog and that picture makes me want one
 
@Ffisegydd yes. it is pretty bad. My wife knew some people who live there. People who were evacuating had no idea (or no time) that the evacuation was going to be that long and left without any supplies. Especially those with children.
 
user559633
you can just tell he's a good boy
 
why don't you get dog? Dogs are great, Golden Retrievers are god-tier dogs too
 
2:53 PM
I met a dog that looked like this once
only it had one brown and one blue eye
 
@WayneWerner Yeah, four-loko.
 
@idjaw it's a factor I would not consider when deciding where to live, that's for sure
 
(Thus two-crazy).
 
@WayneWerner aw:(
 
user559633
@corvid no time and not allowed in my current apartment. wouldn't be fair.
 
2:54 PM
I thought it was going to kill me. Turned out to be one of the nicest dogs I've ever met. Which was a relief, because when I looked, he was behind a fence. I turned my head for a second, and when I turned back he was on the other side of the fence.
 
user559633
when i retire at 40, i'm going to be a crazy dog guy that has like a dozen dogs and some goats
 
It was only after he came over and started licking my hand that I realized he was still attached to a leash
 
@tristan retire at 40? not sure if serious or trolling :)
 
user559633
serious
 
:)
do you read MMM? or ERE?
 
2:56 PM
What are those?
 
I'd do it if I could. I have too many kids for that, though :P
Mister Money Moustache
He's great
 
user559633
@enderland Massive Man Magazine? Erogenous Richard's Episodes? You know I do bro. edit: never mind, misunderstood your acronyms.
 
Suuuuuure
 
user559633
I mean i still get those in the mail monthly, just don't want to put the conversation off track is all ;)
 
2:58 PM
I could retire at 40 if I maintained my current lifestyle, but I'm not sure this is the kind of lifestyle I'd like to have at 40.
 
there are quite a few folks there planning on retiring at 40 in a very serious sense, which is why I ask
 
user559633
Oh. My approach is just "work all the time." It would take millions for me to retire at 40, after having paid off a house.
 
@tristan I thought that was your plan! My source of inspiration is gone.
 
I'd love to move into a tiny house
 
user559633
@RobertGrant I'm not sure of the confusion, I literally plan on busting ass between now and 40 so that I'm working on something because I want to be working on it, not because I have to
 
2:59 PM
Really I only need a tiny house. I just need a large shed :D
 
user559633
Well, I don't literally plan on busting asses. Let's start over.
 
@tristan this is more or less my plan
 
No, no. Let's stay where we are.
 
user559633
Yeah, enjoy that tiny house. I lived in a 300 sq foot apartment. You're going to love having less space.
 
user559633
The comments on a Mr. Money Moustache video:
"Its very easy to retire early !!!! I did !!!!! I quit high school my freshman year when I was 15, and I went to work !!!! I retired at 39 !!!!!"
 
3:01 PM
If someone as deranged as that can do it, it should be a breeze for us.
 
user559633
Quit school! Write like a manic person! Be too mentally untrained to be unfulfilled!
 
Calling all Python brogrammers: stackoverflow.com/questions/37045892/… :)
 
@WayneWerner huskies are prone to heterochromia
 
software dev is actually a great career to retire early
 
Considering fast food will get $15 minimum wage soon (NY)...maybe it's possible? :P
 
user559633
3:02 PM
@Programmer the business there is starting a robotics company that can flip burgers and stock shelves
 
user559633
you just need to get the 10 year amortized cost to $20 or lower for the machines
 
so just start that robotics company, and then you can retire early
 
user559633
i love the rampant use of "just" with a highly complex robotics company
 
You're welcome. I'll take 50% of your stock as payment
 
It'll be super easy. There are drones you can program with turtle, right?
 
3:04 PM
I think I could tolerate a tiny home if I spent most of my time outside of it.
But I'm like one degree of separation away from being an agoraphobe, so maybe that's not viable.
 
lol:D
I guess not
 
DSM
There are already fast-food-worker replacement machines on the market. I wouldn't go into fast food line cooking as a career at the moment.
 
once the cost of labor actually becomes cost-prohibitive you will see a lot more, too
 
I wonder when machine destroyers will again be a thing
you know, before skynet kicks in
 
@DSM I like the "at the moment" - the implication being you've been seriously considering it up to now, I presume?
 
DSM
3:11 PM
@JRichardSnape: cooking, no. I have to admit there are times over the last few years I've considered going into security, just for the change of pace..
 
@WayneWerner You like tiny houses? Check out The Cube Project's designs. :) They're a little too small for a family, but I reckon one could be great for a teenager that wants their own space but who's not yet ready to leave home.
 
@DSM Ah, yes I recognise that, there are times when that sounds attractive.
 
@tristan I thought you were going to retire at 40.
 
@PM2Ring They're really clever. I saw one on "Tiny house Nation" or one of the programmes like that over here.
Hmmm, not sure about retire at 40, but can recommend "busting your ass" to get a lump sum in the bank/in a property asap. Gives a lot more flexibility in the wage you can choose to accept (or to loaf around as a PhD student for a while).
 
user559633
@RobertGrant Yes. That's the plan -- to have the money to retire by then
 
3:16 PM
This time next year, Rodney, we'll be millionaires.
 
user559633
I like working too much to ever stop though.
 
DSM
(mental note: invest in tristan!)
 
Ah okay
 
If you can just work at what you enjoy, though. That's the elusive elixir.
 
@JRichardSnape I'd love to live in one for a while to see what it's like. I first saw that site not long after QB1 went on display, but I hadn't checked it for a while, so I didn't know they were now up to QB3. I suppose the flat floor plan of QB3 makes it more suitable for older residents, but I kinda like the compactness and higher energy efficiency of the earlier designs.
 
DSM
3:20 PM
@PM2Ring: climbing up to get to a floating bed sounds like a fun thing to do once, but exhausting regularly, and I'm confident I'd fall onto the floor.
 
The period after HugeCo's acquisition of my department where no one had the hardware to do their job gave me a taste of what retirement might be like. My quality of life trended markedly upwards.
 
@DSM A bit of exercise won't hurt you. :) OTOH, my parents are in their mid-70's and they're beginning to get sick of all the stairs in their split-level house.
 
@PM2Ring funny. we're looking for houses and our realtor mentions that as a reason why split-levels are not very popular and less valuable than ranches
 
@PM2Ring that leg design is clever
 
And I must admit that vacuuming carpeted stairs is not one of my favourite chores.
 
DSM
3:23 PM
@PM2Ring: that was ultimately what finally got my parents to listen to my sister and me and move out of the house we grew up in. OTOH, vacuuming is my single favourite household task, so that I can handle.
 
you weirdo
 
Mind you, having that bit of extra height above ground level, plus being on a hill (which is why the house is split-level) can give you a pleasant view. It's nice to sit on the balcony and look out at the ocean and the nearby islands. :)
 
I can see a tower block from my window.
 
@PM2Ring location IS the single most important thing we're looking for :)
 
3:51 PM
My next-door neighbor installed a spotlight in his backyard and although it doesn't appreciably light up my room at night, it does cast the shadow of a tree onto my window blind and it looks like a spooky claw.
I'm not sure how to address this problem.
 
@WayneWerner flags as offensive
 
lol. Well, Kevin did say he wasn't sure how to address the problem
Put that outside the neighbors window...
 
@Kevin that's annoying to be honest, neighbors with floodlights are really annoying
 
4:00 PM
please help me fix this horrible list comprehension. LOL.
 
oh yeah I read that one, it's great:D
 
> output = [json.loads(s.decode())[list(json.loads(s.decode()).keys())[0]] for s in response]
it works!
 
egads
@RobertGrant That was great
 
ugh I think I have to just not use list comp here
 
@RobertGrant Austria lol:D
didn't remember that one
 
4:05 PM
@enderland I'm actually really confused as to WTF you're even getting. That's just insane.
 
@WayneWerner I get a lot of json data with varying keys from a subprocess and am trying to make it readable
 
@enderland How about: output = [json.loads(s.decode()).values()[0] for s in response]. But note that dicts are unordered so asking Python for "the first value" may give you any value in the dict.
 
@Kevin I think I'm going to do a bit more intelligent sifting here
 
Most sane implementations will probably give you the first value that appears in the json, but you shouldn't depend on it.
 
I... definitely shouldn't count on it :( haha
 
DSM
4:08 PM
values doesn't support indexing anyhow, no?
 
I think I'm going to filter based on a specific key
 
+1 for that idea
 
@DSM Just checked. Works in 2.7 and not in 3.X. I retract my suggestion.
 
a lot of the other stuff is interesting but fluffy and like 500 lines of output
do not want
 
I guess you could still do output = [list(json.loads(s.decode()).values())[0] for s in response] which is technically less roundabout than calling loads twice
 
4:12 PM
            output = []
            for line in response:
                desired_key = 'stream'
                data_json = json.loads(line.decode())
                keys = list(data_json.keys())
                if desired_key in keys:
                    output.append(data_json[desired_key])
I think that will work
 
or wrap it in next(iter()) but that may be a little less clear
 
I could probably convert that to list comprehension but I'm skeptical that the tradeoff of transparency to cleverness would be worthit
 
You don't need to create a new keys variable. if desired_key in data_json will work.
 
DSM
if desired_key in data_json: would be simpler.
AAARGH, Kevinned!!!
 
oh, really? I guess that makes sense
 
4:14 PM
Ah, that lifted my spirits.
 
DSM
Glad. I. Could. Help.
 
With friends like Kevin, who needs to say anything when he'll just say it first?
 
+1 much cleaner
 
I can't find a way to avoid the double json decode if I try to list comprehension this
 
> Bender: So do you know I'm going to do something before I do it?
God Entity: Yes.
Bender: What if I do something else?
God Entity: Then I don't know that.
 
DSM
4:17 PM
#takeonlyonebox
 
70% sure I get that reference.
 
You could always do data = json.loads(whatever.decode())
 
output = [json.loads(line.decode()) for line in response if 'stream' in json.loads(line.decode())]
that still looks pretty fugly
 
then listcomp over data
 
@WayneWerner ah I could do that
 
4:19 PM
You might do output = [x for x in [json.loads(line.decode()) for line in response] if "stream" in x]
Although this is brushing against the level of complexity where I usually throw my hands in the air and say "I'll just write a proper for loop"
 
    json_data = [json.loads(line.decode()) for line in response]
    output = [d['stream'] for d in json_data if 'stream' in d]
that could work, too, I guess it's just the two line version of what you wrote though :( haha
 
DSM
There's nothing wrong with that, although I might make json_data a genexp instead of a listcomp.
 
I added a webview to my application just so I can easily google things in development mode
 
DSM
I know what all of those words individually mean but I don't get the sentence. Why couldn't you google things before?
 
I assume now you don't have to leave your app to google?
 
4:32 PM
Yeah, I can just google things while developing (the app is specifically designed to not be easily left, like a kiosk mode)
 
DSM
I'm sorry I'm being so stupid, but can't you have a separate browser window open?
How does it even know what else you're running?
 
checks for window focus?
 
Sounds like a good time to use a virtual machine. Let the app be the king of the sandbox, never knowing it's on a computer-within-a-computer.
 
oh it's basically like a deployed virtual environment that has to run with a specific set of hardware
 
DSM
Someday I will assemble the various things corvid does into a reasonable mental model of what his job is. That day is not today.
 
4:36 PM
smoking while being a bird is difficult, you need diverse skills to make that happen
 
Corvid wanders the commercial office park near his home and breaks into offices at random. He completes whatever is on the owners' todo lists, then vanishes into the night.
 
@corvid don't enter if the mailbox says "Connor"
 
You'd have an easier time mapping the patterns in television static.
 
And it turns out I just run an aviary specializing in corvids
 
DSM
An aviary with oddly specific programming needs.
 
4:37 PM
pythons need food, birds will do
 
It's an aviary for cyborg birds
 
cybirds
they occupy cybirdspace
 
Nice.
 
DSM
"cybirdspace" is definitely the clubhouse leader for WOTD.
 
I assume that's Corvid.
 
DSM
4:40 PM
Everyone imagines corvid in his own way.
 
Much like Kevin's height, or your real name.
 
DSM
Derrick, or so I'm told. "Devin" was once floated too.
 
Does Something Mathy
 
I was guessing Destructor Supreme Maximus
 
well, gotta go
 
DSM
4:43 PM
Rhubarb for Andras! Good time to leave-- not like you're going to beat cybirdspace anyhow. :-)
 
Hmm, I thought this persistent cough was caused by allergies, but when I went outside for lunch, it went away entirely until I came back inside.
 
you're allergic to humans
 
DSM
You're a borderline agoraphobe who's allergic to something indoors. Good luck to you, sir.
 
Could it be the dry office air? Or maybe the carpet is leaking asbestos?
 
Dry air would make sense, I get a cough in the winter from being inside all the time without a humidifier.
 
DSM
4:50 PM
I'm one of those people who sneezes when they go outside into bright light.
 
Sometimes I suspect that life is a game played by bored spirits that voluntarily elect to have amnesia of their higher existence as long as they have physical form. During character creation, if you pick conflicting penalties like "indoorsy" and "allergic to carpet", you get a bonus multiplier.
From my limited 3d+1 perspective, I wonder if Ur-Kevin is in over his head on this one, or if this is how he/I expected things would go.
 
@DSM Oh, you mean "Autosomal Dominant Compelling Helio-Ophthalmic Outburst Syndrome (ACHOO) ".
Which is THE BEST SYNDROME NAME EVER.
 
DSM
Dumbest back-ronym ever.
 
Uh, you mean the BEST backronym.
 
Dumb and best are orthogonal concepts.
 
DSM
4:53 PM
Bloody 'Ell Surely Terrible?
 
One time at a barbecue or something my brother's girlfriend mentioned that she sneezes when she looks upwards and I wanted to take that opportunity to talk about the photic reflex which is much more interesting than whatever the current topic was, but while waiting for my opportunity, too much time passed that I could conceivably bring it up without it seeming weird, and I quietly resented everyone else for not leaving any gaps in the conversation that I could get a word in edgewise.
Ok that's my story.
 
Please tell me you have a blog
 
I thought about it but the tyranny of the blank page keeps me from working in a one-to-many medium.
 
His blog is the star list.
 
The nice thing about chat is that the underlying conversations produce many jumping off points for my tangents.
 
DSM
5:00 PM
I used to blog about random things, but then life caught up to me and the next thing I knew several years had passed.
 
Same thing with twitter. I can be funny in 140 characters, but not ex nihilo.
 
+1 for italicising latin.
 
user559633
i just italicised some lunch (pasta)
3
 
I think only penne is italicised
 
@KevinMGranger I dunno, I had an eggplant parm and it did look pretty slanted.
 
user559633
5:07 PM
idk, i had rotelle because they're shaped like wheels and that's pretty whimsical imho
 
DSM
What's the name of the ones which look like snail shells?
 
@Kevin Both. You need enough regularity to make it viable, but also enough chaos to keep it engaging.
 
I prefer my macaroni in the shape of popular cartoon characters, thanks.
 
user559633
@DSM Conchiglie?
 
What's the kind that looks like spongebob characters? I think Kraft makes it
we really are the same person...
 
5:08 PM
Back in the day it was Flintstones, IIRC. How times have changed.
 
DSM
@tristan: yeah, those look like 'em. I like those because they can fill up with cheese and tomato.
 
I only eat Farfalle, because I like to imagine that I'm crushing the dreams of a million tiny hipsters.
 
It's all about the twirly ones.
 
user559633
@DSM :D yeah, i remember them by saying "conch shell" in my head, then saying "pasta shells" out loud to others
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: rotini or spiralini?
 
user559633
5:10 PM
rotelli?
 
Fusilli.
I had to consult the Pasta Dictionary. Luckily, I have it bookmarked for such an occasion.
 
What's most important, I feel, is that the shape not have any concave points where the cheese powder accumulates and gets gummy. This is where shells fall short, in my opinion.
 
user559633
cheese...power?
 
user559633
leaving it.
 
DSM
I just checked my kitchen and I have only penne rigate and conchiglie. Not very adventurous.
 
5:13 PM
I'm also partial to gnocchi.
 
I think it's very telling how no one here is a fan of spaghetti.
 
Spaghetti is fine with the correct sauce.
 
user559633
i'm quit my job, so my pasta game runs deep right now
 
DSM
@tristan: (fist bump)
 
user559633
spaghetti is a liar's cuisine
 
user559633
5:14 PM
@DSM /me places fist onto screen
 
We should get a dream job and make you two fight for it.
 
user559633
DSM is way smarter than me.
 
DSM
Tristan would win by default, because his tattoos would scare me and I'd run away.
 
Yes but he's also honest and good, so I think it balances out.
 
Fight him blindfolded.
 
DSM
5:15 PM
The ultimate evolution of the martial arts. #pointsifyougetthis
 
Yeah, deactivate your targetting systems.
 
user559633
"it says here that your strengths are 'sharp canine teeth and inappropriately ruthless in scenarios that don't require it'"
- you forgot "possibly immortal"
 
"I've not died yet!"
 
DSM
What, no one? Hmmph.
 
user559633
sorry for missing your star war reference
 
DSM
5:18 PM
Now I do have to fight you.
 
user559633
based on the circumference of that circle and the length of the q-tip weapon, you'd just have to spin in a circle while swinging
 
user559633
sorry, the fight was a plot device. i get fiction
 
I don't remember that scene from tron
 
Nice
 
user559633
Weird HAL 9000 needs to make a Dr-Dre-spoof-album called The Tronic
 
5:23 PM
s/all/Al/
 
@KevinMGranger Wait, was that not tron?
 
I'm sorry <tristan>, I'm afraid I can't do that.
 
Ain't Nothin' But A "Bit" Thang.
Hard Drives Ain't Shit.
I can see it now.
 
The next(iter(episodes)), feat. OOP Dogg
 
user559633
"Bitshifts Ain't Diff'd"
 
user559633
5:27 PM
OOP Dogg is kind of amazing
 
I'll have to add him to my technical rap group, The Gang of Four. Featuring Plan N9ne, Linus the Creator, Notorious TCP, and MC Unix
6
 
Notorious TCP
oh man.
 
user559633
Plan N9ne
 
user559633
I can't even hang right now, jesus
 
@tristan you're right, fixed
 
user559633
5:29 PM
NAS (don't actually need to change anything)
 
Kernel West?
Kid CUDA.
 
I already have a whole rap I performed as MC Unix once.
*I'm MC UNix, your midnight commander.*
*Flip your whole world upside down, running XRandR.*
*git pushed up on the stage? It's time to commit.*
*So open() up your sockets and listen() to me spit.*
 
I got 0xff problems, but a bit ain't one.
 
user559633
I got 255 problems, but a bit ain't -1. (this joke is recycled)
 
5:33 PM
Python's got 2 or 3 problems, but a switch ain't one
 
DSM
My role as "MC DSM - Battle Rap Champion Of The Python Massive" may be being challenged.
 
Sippin on L1 cache. Laid back, with my mind on my memory, and my memory in my RAM.
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I got 99 packets, but a syn aint one, ack me.
 
Just a young coder in the cache game?
 
user559633
nice tee
 
5:35 PM
I've been an Error since the public school era. Parser passes, static classes, public /assets.
 
user559633
 
@KevinMGranger Holy god that's amazing.
> You thought the 7 layer model referred to a burrito.
Top kek.
 
(out)cast
 
ODB(c).
 
6:01 PM
@KevinMGranger this is hilarious
 
6:30 PM
@direprobs the bug you found is so arcane that they've now pinged BDFL there
 
Nice.
> I can't even repro the issue.
"Growing up means watching my heroes turn human in front of me"
 
what is "native apps" supposed to be? Is this a new JS buzzword?
 
I interpret it to mean "applications that run solely on the user's machine"
No talking to a server for essential functionality.
 
It's so that instead of making a website once, you get to make it over and over again in different local technologies
 
6:42 PM
cbg
 
sounds exciting
 
And people have to pay hundreds of pounds to buy a phone that can use the app
 
I mean I guess a js project would necessarily need to talk to the server once, since that's how websites work. But after that you should keep everything local.
 
Do you guys find the loop-hell in asyncio confusing? It's like every callable that's involved have to accept loop as an argument.
 
6:44 PM
I haven't bothered to upgrade my 3.X install to something with asyncio. Ask me again next year.
 
This is some next level UX. It's so much easier than just entering a phone number.
I've never used any asyncio either.
 
@Kevin it is reproduceable on python 3.5
@Kevin added a comment
 
Cool, cool.
 
the thing is why Guido cannot reproduce it is that site.py does something funny with list iterators so that the type gets initialized.
 
6:47 PM
guys now I am doing 3d renders, not even I know what I do anymore
 
It's easy. Easy and fun.
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm really surprised that such apparently trivial bug went unoticed
 
GVR couldn't reproduce it at first so I can only assume some kind of fell magic is shrouding it.
 
Too bad there's no bug bounty. :P
 
@direprobs it is a heisenbug.
the most important bugs are always the ones that the Guru's say: "but I cannot reproduce it"
 
6:57 PM
Stupid gamma rays. Or alpha particles. Or whatever it is.
 
I hope they'll find a fix for it as soon as possible.
 
well actually it is not a true heisenbug anymore
 
Though, I spent 4 years digging in Python's internals and now found a flaw at the end. I always believe that there's no system without flaws and here we are.
 
they know what is causing it :D
 
Kool
 
6:59 PM
though I myself do not understand why anyone would be so stupid as to code things as they're now
 
I'm proud of all of you.
 

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