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5:00 PM
@JonClements Comment is technically in CSV format ;-)
 
hahaha, well looks like at least it got edited into something meaningful now
 
user2555451
@JonClements - Oh darn. I flagged that as not constructive and then the OP went and fixed it.
 
@leeka the problem there is that SO really works best with single, focussed problems. I agree it would be nice to have some way of dealing with things on a larger scale, but I can't immediately see how to accomplish that, given the format.
 
For this particular case, maybe if I could mark the part question as a part-duplicate of the original (still unanswered) question, then lead the views that would have hit the part question back to the original question, that might help?
I mean I don't know enough about the generality of this situation. Obviously if it's just an isolated case, it's not worth doing anything about (which is why I asked whether this happens often)
 
@iCodez Ha, me too :-) Can probably handle one declined flag ...
 
5:06 PM
@vaultah oh... nice edit there :) You should use the word "dat" more often :p
 
user2555451
Heh. Now the mods are going to think we're all crazy.
 
@leekaiinthesky You could add a "Related: [link]" comment if you wanted; getting the system to spot them automatically would probably take more AI than practical ;-)
 
@JonClements :D
 
Ah ok, I think I'll follow that suggestion, thanks!
 
@iCodez They're more than likely not wrong though :p
 
5:08 PM
And thanks as well for the commentary in general :)
 
> vaultah wrote the good solution yet, but deleted it
 
yeah... and 3 other answers saying the same thing :)
 
4 answers :d
And the Q should have been closed as a dupe...
 
rbrb for now
 
rbrb @leeka :-)
 
5:16 PM
@vaultah Which dupe?
(the natural sort one isn't it)
 
Dunno, although I'm sure there's a canonical question for "str comparison vs int comparison"
 
Air
Not really sure; "can someone help me write a script" is definitely bad, but there's a relatively concise problem to solve there
If boring
Oh, I get it... it's just lazy
 
Only 10 views, we missed it
 
You are too damn fast :/ Whenever I get to a question you already fixed code syntax and answered the question with perfect examples and links to documentation. Oh well, that's a compliment, so stay so helpful! — syntonym 2 mins ago
 
Air
I wish there was a way to force users who VLQ-flag code-only answers to downvote them instead. And ban them from using the flag.
 
5:25 PM
Compliment to Ninja
 
This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post - you can always comment on your own posts, and once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post. — cpburnz 39 secs ago
 
Air
^ facepalm
 
:D
 
Air
Flagging that comment as non-constructive. And yet, people will just add more of them in the queue.
 
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5:30 PM
@Air "Just because an answer contains only code does not mean it needs to be deleted." On the other hand, that type of answer is low quality, and that's the low quality queue, not the not an answer queue. Yes, they mis-commented it, but the vote itself seems reasonable.
 
NAA flags go to VLQ query, don't they?
 
Yeah, but an answer can be low quality for other reasons too, including (in my opinion) just being a code dump with no explanation.
 
Air
Yep. There is no NAA queue.
 
NAA flags happen to be the most convenient way to get it into that queue. There's a weird disconnect between how we get stuff in that queue and what its actual definition is.
 
Air
The low quality flag text: "This answer has severe formatting or content problems. This answer is unlikely to be salvageable through editing, and might need to be removed."
I feel like this comes up on meta every few months.
 
5:33 PM
Well, it's not severe, it could be edited. But I doubt it will be.
 
Air
But yes, there is a disconnect between the flags and the queue, I guess.
 
So it's still not an equal description between the flag and the queue.
I've been trying to figure out how to write a meta post about it, but I'm sure it's come up before.
 
Air
It's still a waste of reviewers' time, IMO.
Especially since we can't DV in queue.
 
I don't use the flags to put code only answers in the queue, but if I see them there I'll usually vote to delete.
So not only is my opinion about the flags/queue probably controversial, I don't even follow it. :-P
 
Air
Queue overflow so hard =/
 
DSM
5:37 PM
I think I have one code-only answer, and I'm fine with leaving it as it is. These days I'd have written a one-line header with a doclink.
 
Air
I guess that one's on its way to roombaville anyway now that it's been closed. Although, I don't know that I'd have VTC it myself.
 
Ha, that answer just popped up in review.
 
Air
@matsjoyce Yeah, that's where I found it. Guess it hasn't gotten out yet, or it's on a second go-round, or something.
 
5:52 PM
Bam. Pizza ordered sans ananas.
 
DSM
Félicitations!
 
@Ffisegydd think I've got £25 on a loyalty card thing from an Indian I use.... umm
 
@Ffisegydd But how italian is it going to be, eh?
 
Air
@Ffisegydd Pizza ordered wrong, you mean
 
@MartijnPieters Any idea why prod is not implemented as a builtin like sum?
(WRT to that ques)
 
Air
5:56 PM
Also, TIL that my son calls bananas pineapples.
 
Chicken, bacon, onion, and tomato. With stuffed crust of course.
 
Air
Stuffed with pineapple? ;)
 
No. Stuffed with cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.
 
Air
Actually, that sounds quite nice. If I hadn't bagged lunch today, I'd be looking for a slice myself.
 
@BhargavRao because it would be rarely used.
 
5:57 PM
:(
I opened an terminal and type prod([1,2]) after which I realized it was not implemented :)
 
> -1. I doubt this is needed often enough to justify a builtin function.
> Thanks, but no thanks; I was quickly dissuaded from the need for this.
The latter is Guido van Rossum.
 
That reply! Looks like veto powers!!!
 
@vaultah Especially a sum that doesn't work on strs...
 
DSM
I think sum is much more useful than prod, though; I use it pretty often, but very seldom need to implement prod.
 
numpy defines prod
 
6:00 PM
Who needs a builtin prod when you can simply do (lambda f: lambda x: f(f,x))(lambda s, x: 1 if not x else x[0] * s(s,x[1:]))(seq)?
 
@Martijn might be worth mentioning that unless the OP is using 2.5 or less, you don't even need the try/except
 
As simple as list(itertools.accumulate(seq, operator.mul))[-1]
 
DSM
Yeah, but even though I live in a world where Python isn't Python without numpy, it's way too heavy a dependency for that..
 
I started learning numpy yesterday, and today answered my first using it
 
DSM
@vaultah: why bother making the list if you're throwing all of it but one element away?
 
6:03 PM
How do I access the last element of the generator?
 
@vaultah use a deque with a size of 1
 
DSM
Why are we trying to avoid reduce again?
 
Just because :-)
 
@DSM I have no idea - was just answering the immediate question :p
 
DSM
Well, in that case:
>>> exp(sum(map(log, [1,2,-3]))).real
-6.0
[And no, I'm not serious.]
 
6:09 PM
nice.
 
@DSM I'm torn between being massively impressed and an impulse to vomit
 
And that's why he has Senior in front of his title :P
 
@JonClements You know I didn't know that reduce was added to functools in Python 2.6?
 
Air
Finally managed to create a gosh-danged test environment for Pyramid. I think going back and forth installing and uninstalling from different repositories confused the poor machine. ~$ virtualenv wasn't working until I told pip to upgrade it, which pip dutifully refused to do on the justification that it was already up to date, in the process silently fixing whatever was wrong.
I love computers!
 
Struggling to get Kafka running with supervisor ;_;
 
6:13 PM
@Martijn I don't know what you do know... just thought it might be worth adding - I just remember that functools was 2.5 or something and I know GvR wasn't a fan of reduce, so it went in the next version
 
@MartijnPieters so my answer was 100% correct, cool!
 
Bam. Kafka now working with supervisor.
 
on the command line, is there a way to print a file from line x to line y in one command?
 
@corvid I usually use a combination of head and tail to cut off the upper and lower ends
 
DSM
sed -n 2,4p somefile.txt prints from line 2 to 4 inclusive.
 
6:22 PM
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DSM
@vaultah: good link, lots of performance comparisons.
 
Really? head+tail is that fast?
I'd have guessed sed would rule over all
 
DSM
Heh. Someone there describes the sed approach as the most orthodox way. Which reminds me, I should go have some non-meat-based lunch.
 
thanks y'all
 
6:41 PM
Hi
What does " node " in this context mean? :

You can see selectors as objects that represent nodes in the document structure.
 
Informally, in XML and HTML, a node is the thing between the brackets. <textbox> is a node. <a> is a node. <span> is a node.
 
@Kevin: I owe you!
@Kevn: Thank you so much.
 
@Kevin Text is also a node.
 
mmhmm
 
Nodes are the thingies in the tree.
<things> are elements.
Which are a kind of node.
Text is another kind.
 
6:49 PM
What is tree?
 
Objects within objects, an acyclic graph.
Root -> children -> more children.
 
grumble can't work out how to kill cassandra.
 
@Kevin Sorry, I have had my hands way too deep into the W3C DOM to let that slide. :-P
 
@MartijnPieters: I owe you too. Thank you so much.
So, when working with HTML, XML and... can we generally call nodes by <things> elements?
 
I googled "kill cassandra" and got this image
Because "Clytemnestra raises the ax to kill Cassandra, who has managed to throw herself at the altar for asylum."
 
6:53 PM
@vaultah : I can't sleep for night.. thanks.
 
Today is The Day Of Stupid Messages for me, sorry guys
 
@MartijnPieters That's fine. I prefixed my statement with "informally" because I figured someone would give a more complete picture after my quick overview
 
@vaultah: Happy TDOSMFME
 
DSM
@Kevin: don't encourage him. :-P
 
7:01 PM
Ya, I posted against my better judgement there
Guess I care about showing off more than following community norms. I'm a rebel B-)
 
DSM
"So your instructor is going to give you extra credit if random strangers on the internet answer a question for you? That seems like an odd approach."
 
With any luck, his instructor will say "I never taught you about __import__, you clearly cheated"
I would like to actually write an answer for the post, but it really would belong on Code Review
 
DSM
We don't even know what the requirements are. Does just printing the counter suffice, or do we need that sentence?
 
So many improvements to be made. Not having a useless main call, using with, populating the counter in a single expression...
 
7:08 PM
@BhargavRao Bam.
 
kwonf;jrgbjrebgwgkrangeqrgneqr'jgjeqrgjwfj
 
Comedy answer for that uppercasing question: reduce(lambda a,b: a.replace(b, b.upper()), toUpper, mystring)
 
supervisor is saying that cassandra fails to start when it does in fact start -_-
 
Phew! Entered the last octet in my quest to reach 10K
 
7:21 PM
@Kevin usually you just look at the student and say explain your code and how the algorithm you used to create it
with me, I once got to the place that if they could define algorithm I would accept their assignment
 
@JGreenwell do they then go "err... not sure... lemme ask on SO again?"
 
yes, but how many know I'm on here too ;)
actually, one professor I have once answered a question on SO that someone handed in as homework......he really enjoyed shattering that kids illusions
 
Man! I just can't believe that my ans has more votes than Ninjas!!! It is impossible
 
.....wonder if I could find that.....that was back in my shudder C++ days
 
DSM
That's a nice play. I've been known to track down what course something is from and gently suggest to the prof that they might want to clarify their policy on requesting assignment help.
 
7:28 PM
Phew! Reached 200, can go and sleep now
Bye all, Good night. Rbrb :)
 
Lately I've had more problems with people handing in github stuff then SO
....Including my own github stuff which I use to tutor people at the same college
That's always a fun conversation >;)
 
I've just stumbled upon a nice "making of" for Crash Bandicoot. I like these kinds of historical accounts.
 
7:46 PM
65 rep for 6 line "Did you mean to use enumerate?" answer..
Mar 15 at 9:09, by 61612
75 rep for list1 + list2 answer :d
:D
 
if something has the wrong tag, just flag it and let an editor take care of it or is it really a big deal?
 
Depends
 
ie. this question has nothing to do with powershell
 
@Jon Bosh! We have Kafka, Spark, and Cassandra set up fully on the server. They've been added to supervisor so they will restart and keep going nicely.
 
I'd leave it as is, don't think it's a big deal
 
7:54 PM
@vaultah K, as a general rule though I'm curious (flag privilage help file doesn't mention improper tags)
 
My gut says that mis-tagging is too minor to be flagged
 
Air
@JGreenwell oh, ugh, that question :(
Where to begin...
 
When using py.test, should I from module_to_be_tested import *? I feel like this replicate most perfectly the dependencies of the module_to_be_tested, but I've heard people frowning upon import *
 
btw. "powershel object" actually should be a .Net or COM Object in his case (I think COM but I'd have to relook) so not powershell (though yes, way to minor to bother editors)
 
Air
@JGreenwell for that matter, his whole code snippet is an "expression" T__T
 
7:59 PM
@Air with "do you know why VB scripts are Dim, dim, dim"
 
Air
I would just suggest SELECT DISTINCT but I'm afraid that would be like hiding termite holes with a coat of paint
 
@Ffisegydd /me does a puppy dance
 
@Air yeah well, you should see the last powershell question I answered...I have to take a break before I look at that again
 
Air
I don't know what Kafka is if not America's greatest author living or dead, but since it's mentioned in the same breath as Spark and Cassandra it can only mean one thing: SO Python is Web Scale.
 
@Jon I've set it up so that they all have users. Spark, for instance, you either need to run with sudo or run as the spark user for it to work.
 
8:05 PM
sigh too many "your solution didn't work for me when I copied and pasted it: Fix it for me" replies this week
That's why I'm hanging out in chat: where the cabbage is free and plentiful!
 
That is, unless you add yourself to the spark group I suppose.
 
DSM
@Air: I was going to object that I don't think of Kafka as American, but I guess he could still be America's greatest author in that he was the greatest author read in America.
 
@Ffisegydd ahh okies.. well... as long as it works... I'll worry about it later
@Ffisegydd just watching some old Louis Theroux stuff at the moment :)
 
Air
@DSM Oh, horsefeathers. My brain swapped Kafka and Vonnegut again. Why do you do that, brain? Why??
 
We do use mongodb...so we much be web scale.
And yeah Apache Kafka is a message broker.
 
8:10 PM
so we've got mysql and postgres and mongo and, and and...
we should go all DB pokemon on that server and collect them all!
 
We need redis.
And couchdb.
And sqlite.
 
Air
hmm, but which dmbs is missingno?
 
missingno is a CSV file in my home dir.
 
DSM
Saying it that way makes it sound like he's a character in a spy novel. "Do you know how we can get a message to them?" "No, but I know someone who might be able to help us. Kafka. Apache Kafka."
5
 
Damn it's a little too long and so is ellipsised.
 
8:16 PM
jacket potatoes with chilli and salad... was delish
 
user559633
are those potatoes you find in your jacket?
 
user559633
like pocket gummies?
 
Also known as "baked potatoes"
 
A baked potato, or jacket potato, is the edible result of baking a potato. When well cooked, a baked potato has a fluffy interior and a crisp skin. It may be served with fillings and condiments such as butter, cheese or ham. Potatoes can be baked in a conventional gas or electric oven, a convection oven, a microwave oven, on a barbecue grill, or on/in an open fire. Some restaurants use special ovens designed specifically to cook large numbers of potatoes, then keep them warm and ready for service. Prior to cooking, the potato should be scrubbed clean, washed and dried with eyes and surface blemishes...
 
user559633
okay, i get it, don't quit my day job
 
8:20 PM
Been eating them more frequently recently - use to cook 'em a bit in the mike, then finish them in the oven
but since I got this new microwave - it has a potato mode, so it cooks and grills them at the same time - ends up with a crispy skin by itself... so bloomin' convenient
 
Air
My in-laws' oven has all sorts of these fancy "modes"
I don't understand why an oven needs a "chicken nuggets" button.
How frigging hard is it to follow the directions on a package of frozen chicken nuggets?
 
@Air I'd have thought reading the microwave manual would take longer :)
 
Air
When I was a kid, our microwave had a slider to select the power level, a knob to turn to the desired time, and a button to open the door. That's it! Grumble grumble
 
@Air well... had the same one for like 15 years - so replaced it last year
 
Air
8:26 PM
@JonClements I don't know if they even sell "dumb" appliances any more.
 
So many modes and things this stuff does... taken me a good 7 months to realise it does jacket potatoes
 
Air
Also makes julienne fries? (reference)
 
normally I just wanna heat something up a bit - so not played with it much
 
I for one wait for the day that when I wrestle with some bug I can ask my oven to solve it.
 
(or if I don't fancy cooking that day - throw a frozen dinner thingy in it)
 
DSM
8:28 PM
@Jon: are you sure sopython email forwarding is working?
 
Air
@AnttiHaapala And the day after that, when instead of fixing your bug it starts telling you the language you wrote the code in is old and terrible and you should use something else
 
@DSM are you trying to send to yourself?
 
when my oven would tell me "maybe you should just stop coding and become a food critic instead, here have a jacket potato"
 
DSM
@Jon: yeah. Ah, I wonder if it's being too smart for its own good-- I was sending from the address I was forwarding to.
 
@DSM the "from" gets removed from the "to" when forwarding :)
so in your case - it becomes a no-op
 
DSM
8:32 PM
Which makes sense in the case of multiple recipients, but not so much in the case of one -- if I'd wanted it to be a noop I wouldn't have done it!
 
well - it appears to be the default - don't make me go through 15 config files containing thousands of lines and try to work out WTF to change :)
anyway... I've sent you a test email... so you should get that at least
@DSM Q'alpa back - and change made
 
DSM
Much obliged.
 
no worries :)
 
8:48 PM
Using timeit to check some `if`s in a function i got some slightly strange results. Not big of a difference, about 0-6% faster for the f() function.

import timeit as tt

x_ = 1
val_ = 10.1

setup = """
def f(x, val):
if x:
return val+x
else:
return val

def g(x, val):
if not x:
return val
else:
return val+x

"""


stmt1 = "f({},{})".format(x_, val_,)
stmt2 = "g({},{})".format(x_, val_,)


reps = 10**7
t1 = tt.timeit(stmt1, setup, number=reps)
t2 = tt.timeit(stmt2, setup, number=reps)

print(t1)
Did i do something wrong?
 
If you edit that, then highlight the code section, then to the right of "upload" there should be a button to format it as code.
 
@user5061 As the functions are quite simple, its probably the difference between if x and if not x. not is one more operation.
 
@WayneConrad Too late to edit it :/ sorry
 
No worries. It's pretty clear.
 
@matsjoyce Well, actually... "not" is faster :P
 
8:53 PM
@user5061 But you said about 0-6% faster for the f() function and the f function has not got a not.
Doesn't that mean f > g?
 
Woops, i meant g() is faster.
Do you get the same result when running it?
 
DSM
If the difference is small the cause can be small, and so usually not worthwhile tracking down. Even minor differences in bytecode order can cause differences on the percent level, and for me the difference is negligible:
>>> %timeit f(x_, val_)
10000000 loops, best of 3: 131 ns per loop
>>> %timeit g(x_, val_)
10000000 loops, best of 3: 134 ns per loop
>>> %timeit f(x_, val_)
10000000 loops, best of 3: 132 ns per loop
>>> %timeit g(x_, val_)
10000000 loops, best of 3: 128 ns per loop
 
@user5061 Got the same first time, but not second or third.
  3           0 LOAD_FAST                0 (x)
              3 POP_JUMP_IF_FALSE       14

  4           6 LOAD_FAST                1 (val)
              9 LOAD_FAST                0 (x)
             12 BINARY_ADD
             13 RETURN_VALUE

  6     >>   14 LOAD_FAST                1 (val)
             17 RETURN_VALUE
             18 LOAD_CONST               0 (None)
             21 RETURN_VALUE
===
  9           0 LOAD_FAST                0 (x)
              3 POP_JUMP_IF_TRUE        10

 10           6 LOAD_FAST                1 (val)
 
I guess i ll just ignore it then. What % should i consider meaningful?
 
^ That s the dis.dis, f first, then g. The bytecode seems almost exactly the same in length, so its probably just random.
 
DSM
8:59 PM
Depends on your use case; if it's only taking seconds to do something, and you're only doing it once, it's probably not worth caring in the first place. If something's a significant part of the runtime, I start getting interested at the tens of percent level if it's going to really affect things, and only on factors of a few if it's less so.
 
I only get interested if it's not fast enough. If it isn't, then what DSM said. If it is, don't worry about it.
 
And if a few 0-6% is critical, use C or cython.
 
DSM
Here, for example, we've already spent far more time talking about it than could probably ever have been saved even if were a factor of two different. :-)
 
hahahaha
 
First rule of optimization: Don't do it. Second rule (for experts only): Don't do it yet
10
 
9:02 PM
Premature optimisation is the root of all evil. Optimisations based on random results are evil.
 
I guess i ll stop it... i know premature optimisation can be very bad, but its my way of procrastinating :P
 
@user5061 the variation between two run is easily explained by the random event happening in your system
 
@XavierCombelle That was my first thought, but i tried it several times; on an average i got the the "wrong" function being faster (even though it was a tiny difference).
 
@XavierCombelle Probably some interpreter / CPU warm up.
First is slower that way. Try testing them the other way round.
 
I did that too, but fewer times.
 
9:06 PM
It's fun, though, to play around with it, when time's not pressing. You learn things.
 
@user5061 Yeah, just tried that, but got same result as above.
Must be a 'look in the cPython source to find out' type thing.
Forget that.
 
@matsjoyce When i test g() first i seem to get the opposite results.
 
@user5061 Yeah, so warm up, maybe.
 
Nevermind, i wont waste your time anymore. Thanks for the answers :)
Yep
 
Air
9:32 PM
@ZeroPiraeus In the time it took to so much as enter the title for that question, the author could have found the canonical answer. Why do people insist on believing their simple problems are unique and have never been encountered before?
Why on earth would someone's first move not be to ask Google?
I don't get it.
 
Rhubarb...
 
DSM
Rhubarb for all!
 
10:11 PM
Anyone got the answer to entity parsing in XML using Python 3's xml.etree module? I have a DTD that defines the entities, but the parser's claiming they are unknown
 
10:29 PM
@holdenweb as in it can't find the object?
if I have a functionA that returns a tuple I need to pass to another function, should I save the values locally and pass them as arguments or is it ok to do functionB(functionA[0], functionA[1])?
 
Air
@AutomaticStatic You could do functionB(*functionA)
But if you're always linking these functions in this manner, I'd wonder why they're two functions
You could also hold onto the values if you need them for something else. There are a lot of options here, depends on the context.
 
10:50 PM
@AutomaticStatic yes, as in
In [4]: tree = ett.parse("Python1-01.xml")
File "<string>", line unknown
ParseError: undefined entity &mdash;: line 32, column 7
 
Air
@holdenweb What DTD?
 
@Air I have this API call with a shitload of optional arguments, so I wrote a function that checks which arguments I'm trying to pass and returns only the ones I need for my API call (along with a dict that has certain combinations of arguments I have to submit to the API). I didn't see any other way to handle it gracefully but to do api_call(*check_args(args))
 
Local DTD including <!ENTITY mdash "&#8212;">
 
Air
@AutomaticStatic That looks good to me. It seems very clear that the relationship is supposed to be between api_call and args, but you're doing some kind of filtering/validation on the args... I don't see a problem.
 
11:06 PM
@AutomaticStatic btw, I think @Air meant functionB(*functionA())
 
Air
^ yes, of course.
 
/me hates software RAID
 
Air
Not sure what's going on with your parsing issue. I haven't used xml.etree
 
Air
11:31 PM
@holdenweb Actually, perhaps you need the name in your DTD in addition to the decimal point?
 
@Air - the decimal point?
 
Air
@holdenweb The decimal Unicode code point referenced by &#8212;
 
@Air Well the name immediately precedes that, doesn't it?
@Air Looks like a valid DTD to me (and it's being processed by other software, which indicates it probably is)
 
Air
Yeah, what I'm wondering is, when the parser encounters "&mdash;" does it try to recognize it from both the names and values of your defined entities, or only the values?
IOW, would you need <!ENTITY mdash "&mdash;"> as well, even though that looks wacky
Just spitballing here.
I don't know if you can define the same entity twice, or if that's the correct syntax.
And I gotta run. Rhubarb.
 
11:48 PM
this might be dumb but is it possible to locally cache and parse a SOAP api response? I just tried to pickle a response but then couldn't unpickle it.
I don't really understand this caching in the SUDS docs. Can I not just save to some kind of file?
 

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