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user559633
4:00 PM
"instead argues that writing and creator are unrelated. " proof that rampant narcissism was alive in the 60s
 
cbg
 
@tristan how is your mock knowledge? I got something going in yams with mock, wanted to run it by you.
 
user559633
@idjaw related to software: not amazing. related to culture: amazing
 
good enough for me! :P
 
user559633
Ha! If the test does what it says in the docstring and the build passes, I'll happily merge the PR
 
4:06 PM
"""
This test exploits a bug, but isn't picked up by the CI.  Yam!!!
"""
 
No @JRichardSnape that's what volkswagen is for in the CI
get with it! :P
but....I will make sure it outputs YAM! that's a nice touch
 
Wow - if I went halves with my Brother - rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/… - that looks nice
 
DSM
I guess we should get used to seeing code written like
def transform_input(input_lines: Iterable[str]) -> Iterable[str]:
:-/
 
stackoverflow.com/q/33106143/400617 edited it to not sound like opinion
 
4:14 PM
@DSM I've been writing most of my code with annotations for a while, though I tend to be against using things like Iterable[str] on usability grounds
 
user559633
@JonClements I f-ing knew it! All brits live in big versions of hobbit homes
 
Not least of which because then you have to do something ugly like from types import Iterable (right? Iterable lives in types right?)
 
I still prefer the numpy-style docstring type annotations, though they're less strict.
 
Seems like a nice place to ponder over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore.
 
Demo over, resizes font from 14 point to 10.
 
DSM
4:19 PM
@AdamSmith: not types but typing. Not to be confused with collections.Iterable.
(He said, as if he hadn't just had to google it to find out.)
 
If Iterable isn't in the namespace, that code will throw a NameError. That's why I stick to strings :P
 
Hmmm, really wish I had written a comment here. :/ Cannot remember why I'm calling sorted, but I feel like there must've been a reason.
Damnit past me, why weren't you better at writing comments.
 
I tend to comment when I do something novel, or to explain what that particular if block means to the business logic
 
If you ever have to define a class' __new__ method, how will you annotate its return value? Chicken and egg problem right there.
 
@Kevin Foo.__new__ -> "Foo".
:P
 
DSM
4:24 PM
Python became Java so gradually I barely noticed.
 
user559633
@DSM all the help vampires even jumped onto python
 
user559633
@AaronHall Great, thanks. Let us know if the font style changes
 
if attr['SomeAttr'] == 'foobar':
    # The Old Gods have returned. Ready the sacrifices
    for _ in range(2):
        ia()
    return CthulhuFhtagn()
 
Will do!
 
user559633
How was the "keep it in your pants: an adult's guide to playgrounds" demo anyway?
 
user559633
4:26 PM
Without the context, I can only assume the worst
 
DSM
It concerns me sometimes that these logs are public and permanent.
6
 
user559633
At least I'm using my real name
 
Yeah... that was a little insensitive of me.
 
Real name, yes. True name, hell no.
 
user559633
What happens in the permanent record, stays in the permanent record.
 
4:30 PM
Not always. Occasionally it is collected and sealed by government entities as matters of national security.
 
Flashing children... with positive messages. Stay in school!
 
user559633
Hmm, yes, just as I suspected. rubs beard Isengard
 
I think it's kinda bizarre that some teams have 5 environments for dev & production.
 
user559633
4:43 PM
dev, feature N, qa, staging, prod
 
@tristan so bizarre
 
I'm on a tiny project and have 4.
 
5 DB's too?
 
Dev, service, test, prod.
 
sure, why not?
 
4:46 PM
Each team member has their own decisions environment
Stupid smartphone autocorrect
 
We have five dev environments in the sense that each dev's machine is a dev environment.
 
s/decisions/dev/
 
I like how the phrase "stupid smartphone autocorrect" will always come out correct.
 
user559633
WINK
 
I still can't figure out how to get my phone to stop capitalizing "at" to "AT" whenever I type it
Computers would have put us all out of jobs if they didn't create three times as many problems as they solve
 
DSM
4:52 PM
Clearly I'm destined to accomplish many things today, given Kevin's comment just sent me looking at pictures of AT-AT walkers.
 
Possible indentation based typo in count suffixes appearing in the word file
 
cbg
 
5:14 PM
Morning
 
Diff on tables? sure, that's just an antijoin...
Explain it? uh...
 
My boss is in Las Vegas for a conference this week. She just texted me a picture of her standing next to a Wookie.
Workin' real hard there, boss!
 
Man I wanna go to WookieCon too
 
She's supposed to be shopping around for new hardware and software
I figure she's probably in intense negotiation with Chewy, trying to get the best deal
I told her to let the wookie win.
 
Don't look it in the eye either.
 
user559633
5:21 PM
@AdamSmith What, are you too good for AWS and Linux?
 
We're a retail outlet. We need a new POS suite.
Our current one is a POS.
(ha.)
 
user559633
Oh neat. Do you require cash-drawer integrations? I was thinking recently that the cash-drawer controls is what keeps people from just going to tablets
 
@AdamSmith which POS do you use?
I used to work for a retail software company
 
Yeah. Our current setup does serial -> RJ12 for cash drawers. We also have an HDMI -> USB+Serial for the pin pads. There's some weird ass cords.
@idjaw we're running NCR hardware
who did you work for?
 
5:38 PM
@AdamSmith epicor
 
Ah looks like they target a different sector of retail. We're in convenience. Currently working with Pinnacle Software who has a great product but the price point is a little high right now. We're stuck on their legacy platform because our ownership is balking at the upgrade cost.
 
5:53 PM
Oh, you wanted a diff on the schemas... that's just set(zip(a.names, a.types)) - set(zip(b.names, b.types))
And vicey-versa
How's everyone doing today?
We seem to have survived Columbus Day without anyone burning down any major cities...
 
unless they also burned down the media
 
I watched Leviathan yesterday and now I am depressed about institutional corruption and oppression
 
death to the oligarchy!
In other news: my wife made fudge!
And she packed it in my lunch today!
So Adam has fudge. This has made me a happy code monkey.
 
@Kevin oh. Was it russian Leviathan?
 
Yeah. +1 to the stereotype that Russian films have depressing endings.
And middles, and beginnings
 
5:58 PM
wonders if his application to join the oligarchy will be accepted...
 
If this film was made in America, Optimus Prime would have showed up in the last scene to banish the villain to the moon.
 
I sent in the application 4 weeks ago...
The moon is a shallow gravity well, so it's not much of a banishment, is it?
 
@Kevin Have you watched "Durak"? It's even more depressing
In my opinion, of course
 
drafts a petition on change.org for the oligarchy to accept him as a member...
 
@AaronHall In English or Lizardman-speech?
 
6:03 PM
I don't knowingly consume depressing media. I think it gets me disproportionately worked up in comparison to an ordinary viewer
 
Well I need lots of globalist peons to sign it, so English, duh.
 
Petitions are useless. If you watched more depressing Russian films, you'd know that.
 
I can't be depressed. I have fudge.
 
Takes drag of cigarette beatnikly
 
it sucks getting better at programming quick enough to realize the mistakes you made on your current project
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6:05 PM
Oh yeah? How do you suppose the Soviets took over in Dr. Zhivago? They petitioned!
 
DSM
I suspect the ineffectiveness of petitions is a good thing, on balance. If they accomplished anything, they'd make the cost of change dangerously low.
 
drafts a petition to make petitioning more efficacious
stands around with a clipboard and asks you for a few seconds of your time with the intent to take at least 30 seconds
thinks of all the petitions!
 
Petition seekers go in my "people that only talk to you when they need something" category and thus I resent them
 
"Hey how's it going? Having a good day? No petition today, just wondering what's up?"
greets busy people "Hey there, have a few minutes to chat? No big deal, just wanted to talk, is all. How you doing? Nope, my hair's too long to run for public office, haha, how's it going though?
 
DSM
Last week on the subway I changed cars because someone struck up a conversation with a stranger and the awkwardness was too much to bear.
 
6:18 PM
Am I irrational? Very well, then I am irrational. I contain multitudes.
 
thinks about running for mayor
 
I would ignore you absolutely and walk straight past you.
 
The last time I had an engaging conversation with a stranger, it turned out he wanted me to join his cult and/or church. I have trust issues now.
 
Kevin are legion.
thinks about improv comedy - nah
 
DSM
Problem with improv is l'esprit d'escalier..
 
6:27 PM
I feel like they have too many staircases in France.
 
user559633
@DSM Ah yes, the spirit of the escalator. The ghost that lives under the auto-stairs and makes them run.
 
needs a Mersenne Twister for his personality subroutine
 
i'm more l'esprit d'escargot.
 
user559633
l'esprit d'esprit, a 1980s style car chase thriller
 
user559633
 
user559633
 
Love the lotus esprit. In that kind of boxy 80s way
 
user559633
 
"Your mission is to catch up with criminals". Call up criminals and ask to meet for coffee and bitch about your exes
 
(not related to the other redline album, still awesome)
 
Criminals only want to talk to you when they're mugging you...
 
user559633
6:34 PM
 
DSM
I finally got around to installing a "disable animated gifs" plugin. Thanks, Python room!
 
Yeah, if only there were some room owners around to clean things up...
 
user559633
now you're hackin
 
If only, eh.
 
Oh well, when the cat's away...
 
6:36 PM
 
@Kevin speaking of Redline, watched anything new recently? I'm like two seasons behind now, going to have to binge at some point.
 
So Playboy recently announced that it would stop publishing naked women in its magazine. The burning question of course is: had they not announced this, how many issues would it have taken for literally anyone on the planet to notice?
 
Still need to watch Knights of Sidonia season 2.
 
user559633
@AdamSmith 1.
 
I'm looking forward to the new AHS season.
I also just finished watching Scream the TV series.
 
6:37 PM
@Ffisegydd The first episode was awesome.
 
@Morgan I've not even seen Freak Show yet
 
My boss is really annoyed at AHS s5, says Lady Gaga should have stuck with singing.
 
user559633
@davidism American Hormone Story?
 
@Ffisegydd It was alright, not the strongest season.
 
(I'm guessing AHS is American Horror Story, still haven't watched it yet.)
 
user559633
6:38 PM
Just watched the "Freak Show" season. The writing was terrible.
 
It is, yes.
 
user559633
Just dreck.
 
Ghost House was the best one, closely followed by Asylum.
 
It's a gimmick show, but it has its moments.
Hotel looks like it's going to be a strong season.
 
DSM
If it's not scary, what's the point? And if it is scary, why do I want to watch it?
 
6:39 PM
I love horror movies in general.
The worse, the better.
 
I'm actually not big on horror movies, but the girlfriend is. That's the only reason I started watching AHS.
It's definitely better than I had thought it would be, even if it is a little super cheesy at times.
 
I watched one the other day which was about people who stalk over people that they meet on online sex cams. Was utterly horrendous. Turns out it had been voted as one of the worst movies of the year.
 
It has 0% on Rotten Tomatoes
 
Meanwhile, Sharknado has an 82%. Make the right decision.
 
DSM
6:42 PM
These days, if the threat is scarier than "The villagers were worried the rain would cause problems for the Easter egg hunt", I'm out.
 
I do love Sharknado.
 
user559633
@DSM Same, but romantic comedies in which the woman gets pregnant and they choose to keep it.
 
I don't want a high rating. In fact I intentionally want bad ratings. There's nothing better than an awful horror film.
 
You may want to watch Trolls 1/2. I only watched the second but I hear they're both 'great'!
 
6:45 PM
If it's bad horror and on Netflix, I've probably watched it.
I'm now branching away from UK/US Netflix in search of more awful horror.
 
The fudge is gone
 
DSM
You can see clearly now?
 
Everything is terrible now
tis better to have fudged and lost...
 
user559633
@AdamSmith EITATT everything is terrible all the time
 
user559633
it's tristan's 9th law of software development
 
6:52 PM
EITATTJOE'S
 
@Ffisegydd by worse do you mean gory and hard to watch...or cheesy and laughable?
 
Either.
 
hard to watch -> August Underground. I only lasted 12 minutes and I turned it off
 
I like "good" horror as much as "bad" horror as much as "gory" horror
 
bad horror that was just awesome -> Re-animator and Beyond Re-Animator
as in laughable
loved it
then there is my beloved birdemic...but you can only watch that with rifftrax with other people and alcohol
 
6:54 PM
so I bought a new keyboard
it gets here tomorrow
 
Did you get cherry switches?
 
I bought some new shoes. That's not as exciting though.
 
I'm disappointed because I kept telling myself that my next keyboard would be mechanical
 
My shoes don't have cherry switches, no.
 
and I just don't have the money to blow on that :(
so I'm stuck with another "meh" consumer-grade keyboard
 
6:55 PM
It makes a difference in my opinion...maybe it's just me. Also shoes with cherry switches are the next trend better get in on it now
 
user559633
i have a korg keytar that i use to program
 
But the letters were all worn and some were gone on my old keyboard and the numpad-0 stopped working some time ago
 
The Optimus Maximus keyboard, previously just "Optimus keyboard", is a keyboard developed by the Art. Lebedev Studio, a Russian design studio headed by Artemy Lebedev. Each of its keys is a display which can dynamically change to adapt to the keyboard layout in use or to show the function of the key. Pre-orders began on May 20, 2007 for a limited production run from December 2007 to January 2008, with a second batch expected to arrive in February 2008. It first started shipping the week of February 21, 2008. == Overview == The design featured on the studio's website received attention on the web...
 
I'm trying to install 2 different versions of the same package via pip. I've targetted the different tagged releases in requirements.txt and have used #egg=DerpPackageV1 and #egg=DerpPackageV2 but can't actually seem to get both versions to be independently importable / usable. Any ideas? Lost cause?
 
user559633
here's me writing ruby
 
user559633
6:56 PM
 
I struggle to believe that the key type makes a difference than "I like these and so am more comfortable using them"
 
Image not found damn you work
 
user559633
you can tell i'm writing ruby because i'm drunk and wearing zubaz
 
@csjohn Use a virtualenv.
 
@csjohn you can't install more than one version of a package in the same env
 
6:57 PM
@davidism is that a hard rule without possibility of workaround?
 
The only difference the switch really makes is the pressure it takes to push it down
 
yes, that's just how it is
 
user559633
@csjohn not a "workable" workaround
 
lol got it
 
If you need two versions of a package, you're doing something wrong.
 
DSM
6:58 PM
Or the package devs are.
 
user559633
or you should pick a different package :)
 
user559633
what the smarter guy said
 
Large org, want to use new API SDK for one part of project but others unwilling to migrate
 
gotta pick one or the other, you're just making your life harder otherwise
 
Well the annoying thing is they want to migrate in 4 months, and in order to build out the new features in the old version would take about that, so by the time we're done we'll have to work through a bunch of crap purely due to lack of foresight
 
user559633
6:59 PM
Welcome to jobs
 
What about fork + rename the package repo as a stop-gap?
 

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