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<sub>ok, you win</sub>
 
That looks errr, different, as a starred post ;)
Looks like I've got some weird typing stammer
 
Is anyone interested to work for me? Paying per work?
Via Skrill or Paypal.
 
No,
 
@Eva this isn't the room to ask for such things... there's plenty of websites which you can use to hire developers
 
6:09 PM
Please if not, just ignore the message. :)
Can you name a few, Jon?
 
freelancer/elance ?
 
Google is your friend.
 
will check it. @F
@Ffisegydd guess not everyone are smart as you are.
 
Everyone else's cross to bear :(
 
@Ffisegydd you bear it well good sir :)
Umm... @Ffisegydd what was that plugin you recommended, that shows the revision/history and stuff?
 
6:11 PM
Plugin for what?
 
chrome?
 
Oooh yeah sec
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Q: SE Modifications -- Username autocomplete in comments, inline revision source, and utility links

Tim Stone Screenshot About This userscript adds four main features: Various utility links on posts and in the top bar Inline viewing of post revision source Markdown on the post history page Links on comment timestamps for linking to specific comments (with enhanced "link-ability" for people wit...

I think that was it
 
New phenomenon: I post second (but it is usually close). The FGITW answer gets an upvote.
Next thing I know, the other poster has deleted their answer, even though I can't honestly say my answer is much better (at least not yet, I tend to keep on editing for a while).
 
@Martijn it's called the "Pieters Effect"
 
Here Rob deleted shortly after posting and getting a +1..
Not quite sure what to make of that..
It's the 2nd or 3rd time in the past few days.
 
6:16 PM
Just got round to listening to the Texas album I purchased a few months ago... pretty darn good
 
Haha. I know I feel a twinge of performance anxiety when the only answers are mine and Martijn's, regardless of who was fastest ;-)
 
I was talking to a friend the other day and he said something along the lines of "Oh yeah I go on Stack Overflow a lot to look at Python. There's this dude called Martijn that knows everything..."
He didn't know I was active here and knew you lot of lovable scamps.
 
Ooh, you're Internet Famous by proxy.
 
@Ffisegydd last year I went to a meeting and introduced myself, and the guy said "You're not the Jon Clements on Stackoverflow are you?"
that worried me a bit
 
I know that feeling. I like my Internet and meatspace identities to be separate.
 
6:22 PM
Jon this isnt the first time I have used snippets of your code! Amazing stuff, thanks a lot. — SMNALLY Nov 16 '13 at 22:36
Stuff like that though that makes you plough through the incoming crap and bother answering again now and then...
 
Yeah I've met some people multiple times on the site and answered their questions
 
I don't think I have any repeat customers but a couple times I've answered questions that said "I tried [this] but my situation is different because [reasons]", and [this] turned out to be answered by me as well.
So at least I know people other than the OP are reading my posts and deriving some utility from it
 
A lot of my multiple users are from matplotlib
 
@Ffisegydd just sent you an email...
(found my notes at last)
 
I have read your email and think it sounds sensible
We don't really have much to update on the Nidaba front, davidism may want to talk about sopython-site a bit, maybe see if anyone is interested in joining in development.
And I agree about the middle of the night thing
Unfortunately I don't know what to do about it
 
6:36 PM
That's what discussions are for... it's just a suggestion... it's in your safe hands... do as you will :p
^^^ very catchy
 
Puppyyyyyy
@ffisegydd I am interested :)
Uh Has anyone in this room, ever tried to type or pronounce his name?
 
Yes.
 
My name?
 
I...I have :P
 
6:42 PM
I am using my mobile now. It doesn't auto complete.
:(
 
Yeah :(
 
Sadly mine does... I have most of the users of this room's name available as soon as I do @
which gets interesting when using twitter... but... oh well
 
I have an IRL friend whose name has two silent Zs and an invisible G, so "Ffisegydd" is a walk in the park, comparatively.
 
Which client are you using?
 
An IRL friend? Is that allowed?
 
6:44 PM
My IRL friends ask the same thing about you guys.
 
Where do I get one of these IRL friends? They sound interesting...
 
I dunno, I got grandfathered into the system a long time ago. I stopped making meatspace friends in elementary school. The old models work just as well.
 
Do they come with a good warranty, what's the screen like, and how much memory storage and processing power?
 
@kevin you know that you are responding to an imaginary three legged puppy, right?
In fact I am not here right now
 
"imaginary" is an imaginary concept. I reject it.
 
6:47 PM
@jon which client are you using?
 
As a fair-weather solipsist, I have little concern for whether my conversational partners think that they themselves are real.
 
Do you know that We all are in the Matrix?
 
No, the Matrix has a greener tinge than this.
 
DSM
swig--
 
from sopython import cbg
cbg()
 
6:51 PM
@thefourtheye client? huh?
 
Presumably the models of IRL friends one can access, is dependent on the client you use to interface with the world.
Ex. the social circles of The Queen and your local bartender are unlikely to intersect.
(not so online. I expect they've had many anonymous flame wars on corgi enthusiast message boards)
 
@Kevin indeed... last time I took Liz to the local, she got barred... so it's fair to say they don't get on
Get a few drinks down her neck... she's all "Do you know who I am?" and starts fights...
 
@Jon the mobile so client which auto completes?
 
@thefourtheye oh... I'm use the official SE one
but it uses the phone dictionary, which seems to have remembered everything I type with @
 
Mm hmm. When she starts swinging that sceptre around, you definitely don't want to be nearby.
 
6:56 PM
Even I use that only. But it opens chat in the browser
 
I just need to do @f to get @Ffisegydd, then it auto suggests STEWIE which I tap, then it suggests !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is kind of scary really
 
Yeah same.
I type @ and then get "Jon" then get "Briiiiiiiiiian"
 
haha.
 
Hrm, I think this comment in the Python source is now obsolete..
 
@Ffisegydd I'm unsure if this is a marvel of technology, or something we should be quite concerned about
 
6:59 PM
> Since deleting a module clears its dictionary (even if there are references left to it), we need to delete the __builtin__ module last.
Not true anymore. However, using _PyModule_Clear does have that effect, so perhaps it is merely inaccurate.
 
well, I can partially confirm experimentally:
>>> import sys
>>> x = sys.__dict__
>>> del sys
>>> bool(x)
True
 
"Customer","Tariff","Call Type","Call Time","Charge Type","Cost","Connection Cost","Minimum Cost","Maximum Cost","Initial Duration","Connection Cost After Initial Duration","Round Cost Up To Nearest","Discount Plan"
"","0.66ppm","Inbound","Daytime","Pence Per Minute",0.66,,,,,,1,"Default"
"","0.66ppm","Inbound","Evening","Pence Per Minute",0.66,,,,,,1,"Default"
"","0.66ppm","Inbound","Weekend","Pence Per Minute",0.66,,,,,,1,"Default"
60k rows of the above to decipher and implement... should be interesting
 
this shows that sys's dict is still accessible and non-empty after deleting sys
 
@Kevin why would it show otherwise... you still have a reference to it
 
Because the possibly-obsolete comment says "deleteing a module clears its dictionary (even if there are references left to it)"
 
7:04 PM
ah huh... whistles innocently
Why isn't Civ: Beyond Earth out yet? me want now... me want now...
 
@Ffisegydd Okay.. If I use the full site version, it autocompletes
 
They need to program in some more awesomeness
 
@MartijnPieters can you use your hammer? stackoverflow.com/questions/25651783/…
All the answerer has done is copy/paste - can't believe it's above the realms of plausibility that the OP can check each character after it's input... so it's umm, I guess 95% dupe
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Q: An experiment: Stack Overflow TV

Matt ShermanStack Overflow is beginning an experiment called Stack Overflow TV, or SOTV for short. It will be a series of fast, smart videos for experienced programmers who want to learn a new thing. The videos will serve as a complement to Stack’s Q&A, and intended for that community. Of course, they will ...

 
@JonClements Dupe of what?
ah
 
@MartijnPieters I think the link in the answer is suitable
 
7:18 PM
@JonClements It was.
I also commented on the answer.
dinner
rbrb!
 
@tristan you should try to get in on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/270574/…
 
@JonClements Hmm, I better whip together a KevinScript, uh, script.
 
It's based in New York so your neck of the woods
 
oh bollocks... just killed the wrong server process
 
NOOOOO SOPYTHON!
 
7:28 PM
Oh no that's fine... that's easily repairable... I just killed a clients db server that was 9 hours through a 10 hour computation
so now the db and it's replicants and auxillary storages are maxing the machines out rolling back sighs
 
g'morning all
 
Makes some pretty graphs on resource usages though, so that's a plus I guess
heya @SomeKittensUx2666
 
:-(
My sympathies, Jon.
 
I'm mentoring a "Learn Python" course. The trouble is, I'm rather rusty on my Python. What do you guys recommend to catch up?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 difficult to say... I've never read a Python book/done a course in my life
If you were to self-assess, how would you grade your level of Python?
 
7:32 PM
poor
 
I learned from reading the docs. Usually in a just-in-time fashion where I thought, "I want to do X, I wonder if Python has Y..." and looked it up
 
Doesn't sound like the greatest of starts for the mentees :)
 
@Kevin Yeah, I do a good bit of that, but it's hard to do it when mentoring
 
What level are you mentoring at?
 
This approach is only good if you know what sort of things to look up, however.
 
7:32 PM
@JonClements absolute beginner to basic full-stack Django
 
You can't google "Python Cartesian product" if you've never ever used a cartesian product in your life
 
I teach the JS portion of the course and was the only one available to help mentor.
 
What level of experience are you expecting from your mentees?
 
Okay - so that's a bonus... mentoring when a mentee can pick holes in everything you do is never good
 
7:34 PM
Ooh, they're like unshaped clay. They'll listen to anything you say :-)
Your advice doesn't have to work well, it just has to work ;-)
 
that's what I'm afraid of
also, afk lunch
be back in 20
 
can you "borrow"/paraphrase some of the basic stuff from codeacademy/couple with the official Python tutorial, then incorporate some of the stuff from the django tutorial later?
 
DSM
You seem contiguous. I'm sure you'll do fine.
 
I've never had to teach beginners... I've done courses on moving from C/C++ to Python and intermediate level Python stuff for developers wishing to advance
 
DSM
I gave a "Python for everyday programming" course in London. It was reasonably well received.
 
7:37 PM
I have taught beginners insofar as I've answered very basic questions on SO and got accept votes for it. So something must be getting through there.
(the alternative, that they copy-paste the code without understanding it or even reading it, is too terrible to contemplate)
 
@DSM I only did it a couple of times years ago 'cos I needed the work... but the company I did it for took 75% of the course costs, as I was effectively just an agent... mind you, free hotel and food...
and 12 people paying £3k each for a 5 day course, didn't work out too bad really... quite enjoyed it when you had a bright audience...
wb @Kaster - how goes your quest to gdata bulk insertion enlightenment?
 
Hey @JonClements, thanks again for the bounty. I think I found the winner. Not sure how it works, but you can give that +200 precious rep to the guy :)
 
@Kaster which guy?
 
Hopefully the 3k price tag self-selects out all the "plz give teh code" crowd
 
@JonClements the one I marked as a solution.
 
DSM
7:41 PM
Hmm. I hadn't thought of monetizing my Python teaching.. except for my recurring idea of collecting our best work into a Python-in-the-trenches book.
 
Prayag Verma
@JonClements ^
 
@Kevin you'd hope so, but you'd be quite surprised by the amount of developers that had no interest, they were just sent on the course, and were using their companies expenses for the 5star hotel and 5 course dinners and booze
 
Reminds me of the post on Hacker News long ago that said 'move your minimum business plan from "free" to "X$" and your complaints department will see 90% less phone traffic'
 
(or just skip half a day to go play golf)
 
@DSM That would be an amazing book.
 
7:42 PM
@Kaster one sec... lemme look
 
Since whiners are less likely to pay X$, but they're happy to try a free app and then lambaste you afterwards
 
@Kaster there's still 17 hours left... if you're happy that answer works, I'll award the bounty now if you want me to do so
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: in my head I've even assigned people to supervise sections, which is either a sign I'm thinking too much about it or just that my podcasts take too long to download.
 
Do...do I get anything? O.O
 
@JonClements as I said in the comment section, I could transfer 1000 posts even. Not sure how to transfer rest since file is the same, will it skip duplicates, will it make two identical posts, need to test that. Maybe someone else shows up in 17 hrs and gives even better answer :) So, we can wait some more, for sure.
 
DSM
7:47 PM
(scratches out Joe Kington) @Ffisegydd: matplotlib is free.. :-)
 
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
Poor Joe.
I'll just steal borrow his answers for it.
 
@Kaster okay, let me know, we also get a day grace before it gets auto-awarded or just wasted... thanks for taking the consideration to pop by and update me :)
 
@JonClements man, thank you :) That bounty certainly attracted so much needed attention, and although I got only 2 answers, both are really useful :)
a'right. taking off. peace guys.
 
tra
 
@Kaster you're more than welcome... come back tomorrow and let us know what's going on? :)
Eureka! I think I've got it - you know when you listen to a song and you're sure it's another song
Listen to the first 10 seconds of youtube.com/watch?v=xwTJr_upeEw
Does the intro/back rhythm remind anyone else of another track?
 
7:53 PM
maybe.
 
DSM
I have a candidate, but you have to flatten it a lot to match.
 
@DSM which one do you reckon?
 
DSM
Wait, I'm playing them against each other now to see if I'm crazy or not. ;-)
It's more the beat than the notes. Duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh immediately flashed me back to junior high dances.
 
I'm doing the same, and I'm starting to think I'm wrong...
I'm doubting my own ability to hear now... I was thinking: youtube.com/watch?v=_9b7CgTIRKU
(Sorry - apologies in advance for being a Bonnie Tyler fan)
 
DSM
Wow.. that is not where I was going at all.
 
7:59 PM
Reminds me of the theory, "every hit song from the last forty years uses the same four chords"
 
DSM
Heh.
I can believe that because I've now got two songs, both old, which Jon's reminds me of.
Was it Zero or tristan who had the mad music skillz?
 
tristan has been known to put together playlists and such if that's what you mean
 
DSM
@Jon: your Bonnie Tyler intro sounds to me more like this.
 
Oh yes... that's definitely more a match
 
I like the special class of questions where the author puts a code sample in, but just has a giant # need code here where any actual work would be done.
Technically, they included code, but it still shows no effort.
 
8:04 PM
@davidism the "I need to do a, b and c with file f - so far I've managed with open('myfile.txt') as f - what do I do next?" kind of questions?
 
yes, exactly, I don't get how they think that shows anything
 
DSM
We had one the other day which I swear was basically "def function():".
 
I remember that post. I was annoyed because he didn't even run his own sample - he'd know you can't start a variable name with a number if he had
 
@Kevin well technically you can start a variable name with a numeric if you really really wanted to... but I'd hunt you down and shoot you
 
Ah the magic of "everything is a __dict__".
 
8:07 PM
Like how you can have keys with spaces in them in your **kargs, but you really really shouldn't
 
Eewwwwww I never thought of that Kevin...
Just thinking about it makes me vomit a little.
 
and we're back!
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 are there many voices in your head? :p
 
Is your head now a cabbage?
 
I'm not leading the course - I'm a nighttime mentor. Students who need a little extra help can come to me
 
8:09 PM
@davidism that's probably the first time and last time I'll ever see/hear that phrase being used... it's disturbing and awesome at the same time
 
From our previous conversation, I think there was some concern that you'd give advice to these students that will actually turn out to not be good advice. I think this is acceptable, as long as you don't give bad advice all the time, and as long as you don't emit an air of absolute authority.
 
DSM
I'm going to go get something to eat and hope nobody notices me remembering Adventures in Babysitting to myself. rbrb
 
@Kevin That turned out to be an optimisation, as it wasn't practical to validate kwargs were lexically parsable before allowing them or not
 
As long as these students aren't like "no no, my mentor told me to do it like this, and no amount of argument can convince me otherwise" years later
 
Although we see the opposite here, where students seem to prefer asking us for homework help rather than the actual teachers and mentors they're paying for.
 
8:11 PM
@Kevin on the flip side, you do need show a degree of certainty or no one will believe you anyway
 
Well, since their mentor is asking us for help right now, then by the transitive theory, then so should the students!
 
I do sometimes feel a bit weird when someone asks me a question here and I give them (what I think is good) advice and they take it as gospel.
I've had people call me sir here >:
 
Haha. I know that feeling.
 
Until I get my Knighthood I don't like being called "Sir" :p
Even makes me feel awkward being called "Mr Clements"
 
"Well I like mongodb" "Great, thank you sir! I'll base my entire webapp project on your expert advice. Hopefully it won't tank and fail and I'll lose my job and be unable to provide for little Bobbie and Emily. It's a true shame that their mother left me for that rich Java programmer, I'm all they've got left in the world and I can barely make ends meet" "Umm..."
 
8:15 PM
We'd LOVE for that kind of reaction in the JS room.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Not sure what I'd present on.
 
wb @Benjamin - good to see you again
@SomeKittensUx2666 Not quite following?
 
Hey, Jon - how are you :)?
 
There was a guy on the Board Games SE who asked, "what kind of Magic: The Gathering cards should I buy to play with my friends?" and I was thinking of a way to answer it without the possibility of them saying, "Ok, I'll drop six month's allowance on this one product" which could easily end in tears
 
It's virtually all "give me teh codes" people who get angry when they don't get teh codes
 
8:17 PM
@Benjamin same old mate... keeping busy, almost always tired... how's yourself?
 
"Give teh codes" users are like the cosmic background radiation of the Internet.
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@Kevin Cabbage damn you - I had to star that :(
 
@JonClements well - I might have to outsource parts of the project I'm working on and that's kind of scary - other than that I'm doing really interesting stuff so that's good.
 
Well, I'm contemplating outsourcing some JS work as it's beyond what I can do :)
(well, in a reasonable timescale at least anyway)
 
Well, I'm mostly considering outsourcing some of the iOS work since it grew to enormous proportions - I'm just scared I'll get very bad quality work back.
 
8:19 PM
Well.. if you get back some relatively okay stuff, that just requires a couple of changes it's not bad, but if you get back something that needs a complete re-write... been there done that... not been a happy puppy
 
It's in order to meet a deadline - I'm going back to the university at the end of October to (finally) finish my Math degree so I'll only have 2 days of coding a week.
 
user559633
But yeah, if someone can think of a topic that would be well served by a video tutorial, I'll offer my time for a stacktv
 
@Benjamin I'm afraid I don't know of any iOS developers, else I'd pass them on your details...
 
so I just ran @PeterVaro 's Open Source Report Card on my Github account: "All of Matt's activity seems to be associated with repositories in Python. Maybe it's time to branch out a bit."
 
@JonClements my CTO wants to get people from East Europe because it'll cost a lot less :P
 
8:23 PM
@Benjamin I've not got a few contracts because I'm "too expensive"
irony is that the person they take on at half the cost ends up doing such a shabby job they come back to me anyway to fix it
 
Well, visual stuff would probably go over well on SOTV. It would be really cool to see a good intro to Pyglet.
 
@davidism could be a major show case for some of @Peter's developments, but not sure if SE would sponsor Hungary -> NY
 
@JonClements I have a friend out here who runs a consulting firm - their entire client base is people who have found out the hard way that you get what you pay for.
 
@JonClements I used to do 'consulting' for big amounts of money because I couldn't resist for a while but I eventually stopped. I really like work where I build stuff.
 
user559633
@davidism :/ i'm slowly moving away from python though
 
user559633
8:25 PM
and i've yet to use pyglet, whose case is hurt by it being seemingly abandoned
 
@Benjamin I only take on interesting projects - I'm turning down work at the moment
 
I haven't used Python for anything "production" in over a month I'm afraid, I coded in Python today though (for teaching purposes so that might not really count)
 
It's not abandoned, development is still active there just hasn't been a release.
The latest dev builds are way better than the last release build.
 
"Can you do me a three page website"? "Well, yes I can - why don't you just use an online website builder for about $10 and do it yourself though?"
 
@MattDMo As they say, all the resulting information they give is not relevant or exact. For instancer, it says Im an exceptional pythonista :-D I can swear this is really really not the case... unfortunately :-S
 
user559633
8:27 PM
@JonClements those wouldn't be that bad if the client didn't always expect constant minute changes
 
user559633
pyglet.org/doc/programming_guide/installation.html is down, which is a bad sign to me @davidism and i haven't heard anyone asking for help with it
 
yeah, the first topic on the mailing list is about a dns problem that he's fixing
I don't see a lot of activity with it, but I think it's definitely the winner versus pygame, it would be nice to see some more exposure.
 
user559633
Ah, I don't check mailing lists. I'll think about it -- could be a cool talk. I'd feel like an impostor though and I doubt I'll spend 100 hours hacking around in it
 
Yeah, just an idea for anyone really.
 
@Raoul well, mine said I'm a high-caliber Pythonista. Reminded me of this :)
 
8:31 PM
Anything with things more interesting than terminal text would be good.
 
user559633
I doubt there's interest, but I'd be willing to do one about python + openframeworks or something
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 so... hopefully you got some advice - really not sure what further to suggest though - best of luck to you though
England 1 - 0 Norway
didn't even realise there was a game on
heya @Fuchida
 
@MattDMo Quite so ;D, and maybe 'exceptional' in my report card is actually meaning 'using Python, exceptionally' (with comma...)
 
cbg @Raoul
 
cbg @all
 
user559633
8:41 PM
cbg
 
sorry for my impoliteness
dear sirs :)
 
Hey Jon !
 
@Raoul @tristan's actually a girl, you should call her Ms :)
/me waits for @tristan to kill him...
 
@Jon @tristanette well methinks python is the natural choice for a girl, due to all its natural language and strings magic :D
 
user559633
@JonClements haha, what makes you think i care about being referred to by the wrong gendered pronoun?
 
8:57 PM
@tristan Wait, aren't you Billy Blaze - eight-year-old boy genius?
 
user559633
I don't go by that name no more! I don't do that alien adventuring no more!
 
@Benjamin He must have grown up... as he wears a helmet and smokes
ah no he doesn't smoke
my bad
but still, the helmet
 
cbg guys
 
cbg @Lev
 
@DSM While not "mad", my music skillz could be described as cognitively impaired.
 
9:04 PM
wow... sudden influx of posts at 21:58 - what happened there :)
 
It's 17:00 some places - end of working day?
 
SOTV should get zzzeek to do a talk on SQLAlchemy, he's the author and does interesting talks all the time, would be cool to have a professionally produced one.
 
@JonClements and it's the 11th hour over here... something's about to happen!
 
user559633
ugh. america needs to split up.
 
user559633
9:07 PM
new england and the northeast of america should become "new europe"
 
Well - civil wars seem to be the trend at the moment - America should stick with the flow and have one
 
user559633
oh jeez @JonClements, the north would decimate the south.
 
Well... Ferguson was a good start...
 
user559633
that's not at all related @Raoul.
 
@davidism That's something I'd be in interested in seeing actually
 
9:09 PM
@tristan Y'reckon that there book-learnin's a match for a good solid right hook?
 
@Tristan ok sorry
 
user559633
@ZeroPiraeus the legendary boxing gyms are in the north, for what it's worth.
 
Boxin'? We ain't talking 'bout no boxin', boy ... we's talkin' 'bout fightin ...
definitely can't keep up the fake accent much longer
 
user559633
sure, fine, still the same. states that would align with new europe are also the ones that are also less obese.
 
@tristan America has such states... interesting
 
user559633
9:13 PM
@JonClements, yeah -- the "left leaning" states are richer, have lower obesity rates, higher education rates.
 
... but fewer farm implements ;-)
 
Could be a plan, if Scotland bails out of the union... "The United Kingdom and State of New York" has a ring to it
 
user559633
Oh, and the right-leaning "we-ruin-the-worldview-of-america" states suck up most of the federal tax money.
 
user559633
UK can become "East New York State"
 
@JonClements Tukasony has a nice ring ... better than Ukogbania.
 
9:15 PM
So instead of catching the ferry to Rhode Island/Manhattan you come across to Ireland/England... be an interesting couple of weeks commute
 
user559633
It's one of the most frustrating parts of being an American -- trying to reconcile idiots screaming about how "Barack Osama" and the liberals are ruining Real America while sponging up free resources.
 
user559633
It's one of those "you idiot. shut up. we're trying to help you" awkward situations.
 
Besides the UK is all islands, and surf's up. It's definitely the 'East Hawaii'
 
Hmm, the UK does have form when it comes to faraway islands which should logically pertain to other landmasses ...
wonders just how many touchy political subjects he can poke with a stick
 
user559633
Having to pretend that their bigoted, dated, sexist, small opinions are worth hearing is just exhausting. And the worst part, they get a say in how the most powerful country in the world operates.
 
9:18 PM
@Zero one sec... I'll grab the ouija board and see what Maggie says
 
user559633
9:29 PM
Does anyone have recommendations for portable/mobile monitors?
 
9:50 PM
put a microchip into your occipital lobe, with an HDMI in cable. Project directly in brain
 
user559633
I don't have a space slot in the brain @corvid
 
@tristan what counts as mobile/portable?
 
user559633
@JonClements, I'd say less than 2 kilograms, can fit into a bag. For example: amazon.com/gp/product/B00H0FK2A6
 
user559633
That monitor is fine, but it has driver issues on OS X and has a relatively chopping refresh rate
 
Umm.... that looks nice
I hadn't concerned USB monitor options
 
user559633
9:59 PM
Yeah, it's decent, but again, to change brightness, I'd have to go into a windows VM. And it's not realistic for video output.
 
Although thanks to you, it may be that I'm going to be parting with some money I wasn't planning to this week... but :)
 
user559633
Oh, sorry
 
user559633
We should really get an amazon referral link going for the room.
 
user559633
Offset the costs of hosting sopython
 
maybe we should just get a paypal donation link? :)
 
user559633
10:01 PM
f paypal.
 
user559633
Amazon referral link is just passive because it's just cookied for X duration.
 
user559633
I'd rather give the money to something related to the room than some tech blog i accidentally clicked on when googling
 
wb @SomeKittens
 
oh... might have just unlocked some edit privs on wikipedia
appears I can now edit semi-locked articles
 
user559633
10:36 PM
rb all.
 
rb? Are we even abbreviating rbrb now?
heya @Pulimon
 
11:26 PM
The NHS employs more than 1.7 milion people. Of those, just under half are clinically qualified – including 39,780 general practitioners (GPs), 370,327 nurses, 18,687 ambulance staff, and 105,711 hospital and community health service (HCHS) medical and dental staff.
Only the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, the Wal-Mart supermarket chain and Indian Railways directly employ more people.
Wow - didn't think the NHS actually was that large
 
11:51 PM
Funding for the NHS comes directly from taxation and is granted to the Department of Health by Parliament. When the NHS was launched in 1948, it had a budget of £437 million (roughly £9 billion at today’s value). For 2012/13, it was around £108.9 billion.
I wouldn't mind having a budget of £109.8 billion - might even be able to go on holiday for once :p
 

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