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5:02 PM
But what if grandma is in the other room and she overhears that your user id is ~-420BlazeItErryDay-~. Then instead of sending you 5$ on your birthday, she'll send religious pamphlets for wayward boys.
Think of the consequences!
 
Geeze why is my internet so slow in Xubuntu
 
More transcript fun: the "Next Day" link is on every page except the penultimate day's page, which only has the "Last Day" link.
And there is nothing that distinguishes it from other links on the page.
Which makes scraping its url... tricky.
 
5:33 PM
Internet has normalised now
My Mum is having a meeting with her friends in the lounge so I suspect at least one of them had connected to the router
Changed the password and now everything is back to normal. Downloading Ubuntu-Desktop now
 
I have two TVs, a sky box, a mobile, and two laptops connected to my router, and still don't get internet drop off... seems somewhat unfair to login, change a password and deny other people use of it... but oh well
 
These people do not live here
 
nor do my guests... but they can still use my wifi if they want
 
I don't mind MY guests. I mind her guests because they can use the other router which is specifically meant for mobiles
 
is it your mum's house?
 
5:39 PM
No. It is my Dad's house in legal terms
 
I have a QR code on my door that allows my guests to connect to WiFI automatically
 
thats cool
 
@ronald are you the one paying the bills for the services?
 
I pay for the routers
 
5:40 PM
who pays for the broadband/cable?
 
I pay for that
 
well... guess it's fair enough you do what you want then
 
Instagram, Facebook, Google+ should suffice on 128 kbps. It is not like they are streaming anything
 
The question got closed :-(. I wanted to help the young lady/lad with these books wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks. Going to buy those books would have been his pseudocode
 
5:53 PM
You can still comment on a closed post, can't you?
 
I can only do that at Programmers Stack Exchange
I have never answered a question on SO
 
Physical books are a waste of money anyway, you can get a hundred free tutorials online.
 
Ken Lambert is a fine teacher
 
Ok, but even a mediocre teacher can tell you how print "Hello, World!" works
 
user559633
To what level of description?
 
5:56 PM
@RonaldMunodawafa That user was never going to buy and actually read books.
 
user559633
Once it passes processor instructions, I have no earthly idea.
 
to the level of "the thing that goes after the print will be the thing that appears on the screen"
 
It was a NEED HELP NOW urgent matter.
 
user559633
I'd probably resort to making "beep boop" sounds with my mouth and talking with my hands
 
But a mediocre teacher cannot tell you how to approach any module you are presented with. Instead he will teach you how to use a specific module as if it is a new language
How can I get the beep in my terminal on Ubuntu
 
user559633
5:57 PM
I totally disagree with that.
 
All I did was mark the homework verbatim copy as a blockquote and removed the ALL-CAPS from the pleading sentence at the bottom imploring us to do their homework.
 
Let me google it up
There is a difference between a professor taking you for a class that introduces you to programming and coincidentally uses Python, and a person who read the Django docs and wants to spread the news of his "tutorial". It is more like the difference between learning Python from edx.org vs learning it from codecademy.com
 
Sure, and you can get both of those experiences for free online.
 
Indeed but if he invests money in something he is more likely to want a good return so he will put the effort in learning. It is the side effect that matters
 
Or maybe he'll feel pressured to do well so his money isn't wasted, and the stress subsequently causes him to perform worse.
 
6:04 PM
But I found his question asking for something that cannot be taught. I now think people are just being lazy
 
Cabbage!
 
Yeah, most "please write this code for me" posts are written by lazy people.
 
Whenever I see the word "codes" in a programming question asked by someone who is learning programming I ignore that person out of respect because normally the question goes along the lines of "What are the codes I can use to create 3D games I can sell"
 
@RonaldMunodawafa preventing that sort of response is exactly why we close questions
 
Quora is guilty of such questions but there are also interesting questions not fit for the SO format sometimes asked on Quora. I swear at first before I signed up for Stack Overflow I hated it because I would always see "This is not fit for our QA format" but I have grown to love it as I find every question I need answered already posted. I agree with you @ipodman
 
6:09 PM
@RonaldMunodawafa I actually love this approach. Don't teach people what to type, teach them how to type it.
@RonaldMunodawafa By the way, you spelled my name wrong ;)
 
@Iplodman sorry it was because I had 10 seconds of editing remaining
 
No problem ;)
I'm awful under pressure.
 
I work better when not forced to do something
 
Sorry, but how is this not a dupe?
2
Q: How do I know what type my variable is?

bluevoxelI don't know how to determine type of a given variable while I read Python code. I would like to know the types of variables without the deep knowledge of methods that initialize values for them. Say, I have piece of code: import numpy as np np.random.seed(0) n = 10000 x = np.random.standard_no...

@RonaldMunodawafa Same. I always learn more when I teach my self.
 
when creating a web application with a mobile component, must you make it fully ReSTful?
 
6:14 PM
Without reading the body that is a duplicate of duplicates of a duplicate on SO
 
@RonaldMunodawafa Even with the body, it looks like a dupe to me.
 
My girlfriend's roommate played me happy birthday on the flute. I feel like crying. She is so sweet
 
Awww :L
 
Why is why I need to stop procrastinating writing the chat for me and her alone. Skype is funny: Start using your shiny new Skype
when it Linux has the ugliest Skype client I have evr seen
 
DSM
tg
 
6:20 PM
Tokyo Ghoul? I meant to give it a read, but I haven't found the time.
 
DSM
apophenia, noun: the tendency to perceive a connection or meaningful pattern between unrelated or random things
Accidental keyboard bashing.
@Ronald: I see you're in Zimbabwe -- do you speak either of ChiShona or IsiNdebele?
 
I speak Shona. Shona is my mother tongue.
 
Reminds me of The Who's album, Quadrophenia. Which is itself apparently not meaningfully related to apophenia.
 
DSM
So should it be "Uve nezuva rakanaka rekuzvarwa!" or "Uve nebhavhadhe rakanaka!"?
@Kevin: I see what you did there, sort of.
 
Both are valid although the first is more idiomatic Shona whereas the second adapts to the English influence via the word "birthday"
 
6:26 PM
@RonaldMunodawafa Happy birthday by the way! :P
 
brb, gotta do a computery thing
 
DSM
Makes sense. In Japanese you say "tanjoubi omedetou!" (native) or, frankly, "happii basude"..
 
@DSM and @Iplodman thank you
 
@RonaldMunodawafa No problem!
 
@DSM I know Google Translate does not include Shona yet. Your Shona was quite correct. Where did you learn it from
 
6:31 PM
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg @poke and @PeterVaro
 
DSM
Google translate may not, but google still works. :-)
 
@DSM *otanjoubi – you want to be polite.
 
heya @davidism -- 'sup?
 
DSM
6:32 PM
@poke: I'm rude by nature. I'm an ore kind of guy.
 
working on the transcript tool for the site still
 
@DSM that was kind of you
 
almost finished
 
Now installing Ubuntu-Desktop
 
@DSM Not ぼく?
@davidism You mean chat transcript to site thingy?
 
6:34 PM
yeah
 
If only everyone used either Ubuntu or Fedora for their desktops, we would really see the potential of these two operating systems being realised beyond expectation
 
I've got caching ranges working, excluding messages, and just need to finish the layout.
 
@RonaldMunodawafa If only everyone used X, then there would be no competition and variety whatsoever.
 
hey guys
 
@poke did you see my timestamp parser?
 
6:36 PM
@davidism I don’t really monitor the repository, so probably not
 
DSM
@poke: not unless I want to sound like I'm a kid.. True story: I was visiting a colleague in Tokyo once to give a talk and asked the students there at dinner how they referred to themselves when they were alone with their friends. They all went with boku. After we left, my friend Makiko told me they were full of it (in polite Japanese fashion) and that I shouldn't trust them at all because they were answering in front of their profs..
 
@DSM lol.
I still need to learn so much about Japanese… :/
 
@DominikSchmidt Cbg!
 
@davidism wow, wtf.
 
6:38 PM
transcript timestamps are so dumb
 
If more people were using either Ubuntu or Fedora, the potential of the these two OSes would be realised
 
@davidism Are you parsing the /transcript/ URL or what are you looking at?
 
the date part comes from the page title, the time part comes from the closest timestamp div
 
Tomorrow I have a provisional driver's license test. Afterwards I will start writing a parsing library for everything I use
 
unless you're on the starred list, in which case there's a bunch of other cases
 
DSM
6:40 PM
@davidism: wow.
 
I think my favorite is this line to get the relative offset by day name
 
“this line” *links to huge batch of lines* xD
 
uhh, edit... that line
actually yeah, my favorite is every line, because I dislike them all equally
 
DSM
Julian days for the win.
 
cabbage everyone!
 
6:45 PM
@davidism Looking at that mess makes me realize how good @corvid’s idea to have some “start logging” command for RABBIT is…
 
yeah, it could at least pick a more accurate timestamp
 
It gets a lot more information. And in a simpler way too
 
also, it could get the rendered version of "show full text" messages
 
So I could, for example, have a cache of 24 hours back, so we could simply have a “dump from [id] to [id] to the site” command
 
I was debating making a meta post to demonstrate just how ridiculous not having a chat API is, but I can't imagine it going well.
 
DSM
6:48 PM
It might go well in that you get a lot of upvotes, but maybe not well in that it won't result in the change you want. That happens to a lot of good suggestions.
 
Hey
I wrote a meta answer and I'd appreciate your review/comments here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/277773/…
 
hear, hear
 
@Benjamin You always come here just to advertise your meta stuff :( (cabbage though! ;D)
 
I seek feedback, also I'm here plenty I'm just not very loud.
 
I wasn’t really serious ;)
 
6:57 PM
If there is an app called blog in Django, and I want to run it on / (not /blog) how can this be done?
For instance:
url(r'^blog/', include('blog.urls')), # This does run the applications correctly
url(r'^$', include('blog.urls')), # This only loads the index correctly
 
don't put the $ at the end of the second one
 
:O
checking..
it works perfectly :D
melon David!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I’m not sure about your view… have to think about it more…
 
DSM
Can't we all just get along ask and answer itertools questions?
 
@poke those questions promote misinformation
 
7:12 PM
@Benjamin Yes, that’s true, but there are so many really good questions/answers that were deleted because the community (often retrospectively) decides that they do not fit on SO.
 
@poke right, but this is a question from last year - it was a bad fit from day one.
 
I’d more prefer some special close/lock/protection that keeps them visible but slams a big note on top of it saying that this should not be on SO. That state should also disable any rep or badges for the question.
 
@poke mods can put historical locks on questions
 
@Jon Those aren’t that clear though
 
Anyone want to get any last minute changes into the next site release?
 
7:15 PM
For example this question is pure gold. But it’s publicly gone.
 
user559633
:( can't see it.
 
user559633
what's the rep threshold for removed posts?
 
Http404
 
10k
 
user559633
ffff. okay then, looks like i'm going to answer ruby questions for a week
 
7:16 PM
haha
 
@poke it's a bad question though, it won't teach anyone anything.
 
@davidism none from me - as far as I know you're good to deploy
 
Sorry, got to go, rhubarb!
 
DSM
That bad habits question is definitely fun to read.
 
Alembic released support for multiple migration branches! :) alembic.readthedocs.org/en/latest/…
This is incredibly good news because now I don't have to solve this myself for work.
 
7:24 PM
Even with 83k processors & 10.4T synapses, a neural computer needs 40 min to process what the brain can in a second. http://t.co/OiQmH82xmO
damn
 
DSM
40*60 == 2400. That's not nearly enough of a comfort zone for me.
 
I remember reading it before.
 
user559633
What is the machine processing? That sounds like feel-good idiot bullshit
 
user559633
can u teach a machine 2 dance in teh rain? can u teach a computer 2 love? wat is use of machine if abomination in face of god?
 
I realize using two shell instances could have django running and code at the same time. Win :D
@tristan exactli
 
7:36 PM
Until we can program consciousness, artificial intelligence will be safe
 
@davidism we now appear to have a 502 for sopython :)
 
there's a tiny window where that can happen, refresh
between me updating the database and restarting with the new code that recognizes those updates
 
DSM
Some puppies have a knack for finding gaps in things.
 
now to add last meeting's minutes
NOOOOOO 502 Internal Server Error ;_;
The Feeds user has a negative id, noooooo.
 
7:51 PM
lol
 
good luck with that
 
it's a two-character fix ;_;
 
gotta go. Rhuharb
 
user559633
Can you give me a negative ID as befitting the MTFL?
 
negative
 
user559633
7:55 PM
fine. may i have a float for an ID?
 
I'll make a point of not granting that request.
 
user559633
breaking my heart, david
 
user -3 is "Qt", why? chat.stackoverflow.com/users/-3
users -5 and -6 appear to be the same
 
DSM
You're exploring some deep mysteries.
 
user559633
some deep, arbitrary mysteries
 
8:13 PM
@davidsm can we possibly rename it to something other than "Meetings"?
sorry to be a pain
it might be useful for conversations regarding other subjects that aren't meetings as such
 
It's called transcripts everywhere else, I just missed the menu item, already fixed.
 
ta :)
 
forgot to add "in reply to" reference for messages, but I'm just going to leave that alone for now
so the transcript won't show who's replying to what message
 
8:28 PM
If I see another "I'm not even sure where to start" question, I"m going to fly off the handle
 
Abby T. Miller on November 25, 2014

Welcome to the 61st installment of the Stack Exchange Podcast, brought to you by okra (yes, that okra). On our show today are David Fullerton, Jay Hanlon, and Joel Spolsky. It’s been a long time since we last did a podcast, so let’s get started.

First point of business: we have an iPad app! It’s got a snazzier feed and a fancy live preview in the Compose view. We’ve been getting more posts from mobile than we expected, because computing via iPad is the way of the future (according to Joel), so lots of features in the iOS app are now better optimized for posting as opposed to reading. …

 
DSM
I always knew Kevin would be the first to snap. All those stars can't be good for him.
 
wow, the blog gets oneboxed
 
I can't sleep with the light of a million stars in my room. And it's really hot. Send help.
 
we need to send him to detox (it's just a dark room)
Oops, sorry Kevin, we "lost" the key.
 
DSM
8:34 PM
It's only in the dark the true beauty of the stars can be appreciated.
 
If I ever get permanently locked in a dark room, I plan to construct an elaborate Narnia-esque fantasy world to occupy me while I starve.
So don't even try to do it out of spite, I'll just have a grand old time beheading goblins from atop a talking lion.
 
DSM
Kevin, kickin' it Milton-style: "The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.."
 
This is all assuming I can hold any sort of coherent 3d space in my head without it all falling away like sand through my fingers
 
Caramel and Peanut Butter Ice Cream...
 
I have pretty good spatial reasoning ability. In my family, I am the designated putter togetherer of all things labeled "some assembly required".
But apparently this is limited only to kitchen appliances and IKEA floor lamps, not vast sweeping Narnia landscapes.
 
9:11 PM
Welp. Time to fly off the handle.
 
I dropped in because I'm a Ruby programmer having to dabble in Python today. I thought I'd have questions, but everything just seems to work. pyenv, no problem. pip, works just fine. library I needed, works out of the box. I love days like this.
 
I am filled with jealousy.
 
DSM
puts "Cabbage, Wayne"
 
print "cabbage?"
 
That's our traditional greeting.
 
9:14 PM
hi
 
It serves as a useful signal of those who are in the "in group"
 
DSM
require 'open-uri'
source = open('http://sopython.com/salad/', &:read)
 
@user3818875 Greetings
 
Thanks, then!
 
(I don't use the traditional greeting, because I want to be cool and unique)
 
user559633
9:15 PM
@WayneConrad :) that's why i switched from full time ruby to python
 
user559633
"wait, this shit just works, it's not a cult of egos, and the stdlib is mature and stable?"
 
DSM
To be fair, you were pretty lucky..
 
I'll take luck when I can get it.
 
@tristan Yes, Python is different. We're not a cult, we're a dictatorship :-)
 
user559633
ur a dictatorship
 
9:18 PM
I don't have a lot of self-control, so I'm more like an anarchy.
 
I still prefer Ruby, but this morning I did say something I say every time I look at Python libraries: Wherever Ruby has 2 libraries to do a thing, Python has 4. Wherever 10, then 20. Python's got the libraries for sure.
 
Interface needs work, but I'm done for now.
 
Python: for when you need modules for thread and threading. Ask about our five different urllibs!
 
user559633
The good thing about Python libraries is that there's typically one that works near 100%
 
user559633
Opposed to ruby's urllib not even being standards compliant @Kevin?
 
9:19 PM
just watched the movie "predestination"
 
user559633
ours is a bit shit to use, but it at least complies to standards
 
DSM
I still haven't gotten used to where everything is in 3's urllib. Fortunately there's tab completion..
 
urllib's weirdness has a pretty low priority on my Python grievances list.
 
DSM
@davidism: congratulations!
 
Alright, gotta run. Thanks for the nice welcome (and for the cabbage. I'll share the Kimchi once it's made). With luck, tomorrow will be another day when I have no questions for you.
 
user559633
9:22 PM
Cheers @WayneConrad
 
DSM
Hopefully we'll never need to speak. ;-)
rhubarb for you!
 
@AnttiHaapala Someone must have liked that movie a lot, because they wrote more than a page about it on Wikipedia
 
DSM
Always nice when polite aliens visit.
 
I prefer my synopses to be around three paragraphs.
Horror movies usually hit that sweet spot pretty accurately. Paragraph 1: protagonist(s) enter spooky area, and some minor strangeness happens. Paragraph 2: they encounter the monster. Some of them are eaten. Paragraph 3: The remainder escape. The End. (or is it?)
 
@Ffisegydd you can convert this wiki transcript to a real transcript now.
 
DSM
9:27 PM
I hate (.. or is it?) endings sooo much. Especially in movies which have an "are we dreaming? are we still in the computer? are we still in the story?" question. It was original the first few thousands times it was done. Now it's a cheap trick by a storyteller trying to give the ending some punch it hasn't earned.
 
@Ffisegydd wait, never mind, the old meetings are on dystroy
 
so predestination is the best movie, it does have neither ending nor beginning
 
Ambiguous endings seem to be the author saying "really makes you think, hmm?", but it has the opposite effect on me. If you didn't bother to make a conclusive ending, I'm not going to bother thinking about it very much.
Reading further, I see that Predestination is based on a scifi story which I have read previously. It definitely has an interesting premise.
 
@davidism, is that transcript model completed and pushed?
 
@davidism the transcript thingy is sexy - I love it
 
9:37 PM
I have two hours now so might grab sopython-site and throw in my contribution
 
That's a DC thing only I'm guessing?
 
DC?
 
@corvid your benevolent-ish overlords :)
 
9:56 PM
Quick Q: is there a way of 'starring out' entries through the CMD?
 
DSM
Okay, time to review twenty applications for a position which was only advertised this morning. Mental note: under no circumstances quit this job until I have another..
 
you just gotta believe, DSM
 
@corvid you are good to go with writing the starred parser
 
cool, I'll have it done a bit later tonight, you did so much of the heavy lifting already
A starlist.py module is an agreeable way to do it?
 
yeah, make it a module sopy.se_data.starlist
you can see how I parsed the transcript in sopy.transcript.parser.get_range() and do something similar
for now, add another command under the se command group called update_starred which will get/update all the starred messages
I'll add background tasks at some point to automate it
 
10:04 PM
sounds good, had some ways of optimizing it
 
10:36 PM
@davidism that's very cool
 
11:10 PM
cbg
 
11:45 PM
Hi, two SQLAlchemy questions that I bet have simple answers: 1) Just curious if there's a better way to get a view-only attribute on the "grandparent" class representing the "grandchildren" in a one-to-many, one-to-many series of relationships than a plain old Python property; example
2) Moving some boilerplate to my declarative base class per the docs breaks a many-to-many self-referential relationship unless I explicitly put the primary key column back in the class definition, rather than inheriting it from the Base; example
Thanks if anyone knows!
 

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