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11:00 AM
I wanted to ask about it in the following days -- but thanks for the update
 
Not sure why the voters like this one
 
@Ffisegydd I wonder why in this code sopython.com/wiki/16 the filter is so big: api.stackexchange.com/docs/… it works but can't be optimized ?
 
@Ffisegydd wonder what is veedrac's ratio
 
@XavierCombelle you mean someone actually reads our wiki... will wonders ever cease :)
 
@JonClements I saw this in the starred items
 
11:16 AM
@AnttiHaapala It seems to be 27.330846. I thought it was higher :/
 
me too
 
231 twitter followers... I know who about 20 of them are
not sure if that's good/bad
 
@JonClements followers of which twitter account ?
 
mine...
@Veedrac slightly ahead then with what was 27.863662
Mind you... I have 4.5x as many answers :(
arhhgghh... my connection is on a go slow
at the moment I'd probably be better using my mobile signal
+1 for going way overboard, sir ;) — jpatokal 13 hours ago
 
11:39 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/26159547/… -- I think this is primarily opinion based or at least too broad
 
People, its @poke...
Use the break keyword to abort the for loop and continue with the next iteration of the while loop. Also, you need to abort (break again) the while loop once you have completely run through the for loop as in that case, every other iteration will not give you another maximum output again so you can just stop. You can use the for..else construct in that case. — poke 3 mins ago
Its been months since I have seen him here...
 
I've seen him on the site a few times.
 
I've just emailed him
 
Good Puppy :) Hope he joins us...
 
should have done that a month ago and forgot... my memory... I forget how bad my memory is... what was I talking about?
@Ffisegydd anon'ing a dataset that I can zip and send
 
11:47 AM
@Ffisegydd he is still active on the site -- but not at chat.. I saw him several times too
 
@Peter it's not gone un-noticed
 
@JonClements ?
 
although the puppy doesn't have executive power any more, doesn't mean he doesn't care and doesn't mean he keeps an eye on stuff :)
 
@JonClements ohh, that busy puppy ;)
 
11:51 AM
@Peter for my sins no doubt :)
 
Cabbage.
 
Heya @poke.... Loooooooooooooong time :-)
 
Hey hey :)
 
Potato?
 
banana
potato?
 
11:55 AM
Good to see you. Insofar as you can "see" anything through a textual medium
 
haha
:P
 
Bananas
 
Soo, what did I miss? :D
 
Cbg poke, hope you're well.
 
@poke the traveller returns :)
 
11:56 AM
Wish I was travelling… lol xD
 
@poke What are you upto man? Completed studies?
 
Yeah, looking for a job atm
Uni management was making it a bit difficult for me..
 
@poke are you available on skype for a minute?
 
@thefourtheye btw. I really wanted to answer that question but you closed it too quickly :(
Sure.
 
@poke 4 other people voted to close as well ;)
 
12:00 PM
wow... current estimates (scare figures) could put 1.5mil people infected by January (with ebola)
 
Puppy, are you in any of these places Gloucester, London Brentwood, Nothampto, Newport, Denmead?
 
@thefourtheye nope - in a little village that probably doesn't even qualify as a village
@poke you going to type back - or is my skype not working? :)
 
@Jon that's cool. If you could send me the dataset and what you need doing I'll look at it.
 
I was searching for you in Skype and I managed to filter the results
By any chance, your name is Jon Helly Clements?
 
It isn’t.
 
12:06 PM
yay, found Martijn :)
 
@poke don't tell him... it's more interesting to see attempted results right now :)
 
I’m probably easy to find too…
@Jon I’m not telling, just saying when he’s wrong :D
Oh, the @-completion overlays are “new”
 
@poke it's pretty awesome :)
the chat system has a bit of love now
 
It’s a bit disruptive actually :/ I preferred the text-only thingies before
 
@JonClements I even tried three legged puppy :D
 
12:08 PM
cough sopython.com cough
 
@Ffisegydd No clues there :'(
 
I wasn't giving you clues I was subtly hinting at the re-vamped sopython :P
 
Was that for me? I’m aware of it
 
He he he, I check that once every week ;)
 
@poke You're back :)
Cabbage everyone :)
 
12:12 PM
Kind of, yeah ^^
 
@GamesBrainiac Heya... Cabbage?
 
cbg @Games.
 
@thefourtheye Hey bro! Whats up? Sorry I've been away, working on something new with a couple of people so, thats taking up a lot of time.
 
Meeting @Ffisegydd and @poke after a long time :-)
 
@Ffisegydd Saw your commit to the kaggle repo.
 
12:13 PM
@Games I've done a lot more, just need to commit it. I've also tried quite a few submissions so far.
 
@GamesBrainiac That's awesome man :-) How are you?
 
We're in like joint-1900th place or so :P
 
@thefourtheye Still alive :) I'm doing much better, been drinking a lot of green tea, botta say this shit is magic :P
@Ffisegydd Woohooo, atleast we exist behbeh! :D
 
@GamesBrainiac Really? I gotta try that sometime...
But I heard its very bitter in taste
 
@thefourtheye you heard right, but its worth it. I feel like I have more energy every day, and the best thing is that you feel less hungry since your stomach is full of hot water :P
There's no space for that extra snack :P
 
12:16 PM
@poke There is no one by your actual name, in Skype :(
 
I keep refreshing that question in case it finally hits the last reopen vote…
 
btw, I've discovered that inner joins with the table itself can be very confusing.
 
@poke lol, me too...
 
@Games yeah I'll try and order what I've got tonight and commit it for you to look at. Need to get into the feature engineering but I'm also thinking it might not have been the best competition to start with.
 
@thefourtheye Just realized that I don’t have my real name in there… Just "poke" as my first name… uhm… xD
 
12:18 PM
As there is only ~100 in the test set, just getting one more person correct makes a huge leap in standing, you'll notice that a few 100 people are on each standing as they've all gotten x/N correct.
 
@Ffisegydd rlly? Do you suggest we do something else? There's still a lot of time.
 
I'll have a look at the other competitions. I chose this one because it's aimed at beginners and included tutorials
 
@Ffisegydd Didn't notice that, but I have noticed that they're leaning towards R a lot more than Python.
 
@poke kleinheidorn?
 
wat?
 
12:19 PM
@poke poke poke poke poke CABBAGE ;)
 
@poke You have your real name on twitter, don't you?
 
Hey Peter :)
@GamesBrainiac yup
 
@poke Man, your search result is worse than the Puppy's... There are about a hundred pokes in Germany :(
 
how did you come up with @poke?
@thefourtheye but only @poke knows how to poke ;)
 
@GamesBrainiac Long and probably embarassing story, hah
 
12:21 PM
We got all day... ;)
Wait, I think I found you...
Nordrhein-Westfalen?
 
Mine is pretty obvious. When I was young, I liked games, and smart people. Hence the name.
This has not changed much however.
 
Cbg @poke
 
@GamesBrainiac Do you play Chess?
 
@thefourtheye Seems right
 
@thefourtheye I used to, a very long time ago.
 
12:24 PM
@GamesBrainiac Brush up your Chess man, lets play sometime :-)
 
@Ffisegydd you about?
 
@Jon yarp.
 
skype/otherwise chat ?
 
Can't skype really, don't have it installed on works laptop. We can do it in chat or go into Slack? Or Google Hangout?
 
@poke btw, if you are still interested in C (IIRC you were working in C for your thesis or something last time we had talk) we have a new and quite active C-room as well (with its own cabbage ofc), and actually you are welcomed there;)
 
12:26 PM
slack's fine
 
@Ffisegydd wow.. you actually heard the mighty voice of the Puppy already?
 
No I have yet to hear his mighty bark.
 
@Peter Wow, I’m not sure if I have enough knowledge (or interest xD) for that xD
 
@poke fair enough :P
 
12:27 PM
errr... let's do google, can't remember the pw for slack
 
@thefourtheye Sure, I'll lose like crazy :P
 
Then I would be happy to play with you :D
 
Sure man. What are you up to now these days? Still with programming contests?
 
Always... :D But I am playing a lot these days...
Picked up Table Tennis and practicing it
And got shoulder injury...
 
Honestly, I've started jogging regularly. Best I've felt in my life for a long time.
 
12:30 PM
So, less programming and more tired these days
 
Ahh, take some rest, the programming world can wait.
 
anyway, I gotta run now -- I'm going to teach designers how to use git today ;)
rhubarb for now ~
 
yesterday, by Jon Clements
Still Poke's been gone, there's been a large absence of rabbit pictures
Aug 20 at 18:03, by Ffisegydd
Since poke left the number of cute animals in this room has dropped significantly.
 
Hurray... The rabbits are back...
 
Btw.:
May 3 at 8:49, by thefourtheye
We can tweet poke about the meeting, I think he checks that often.
You should have done that.
 
12:34 PM
My bad :'(
 
I want to press the play button but nothing happens :(
 
lol... When I found the image, even I tried that
 
cough
 
Woops, thanks :)
 
12:36 PM
BTW, @JonClements, it looks like we found one of your childhood photos :D
@Feeds +1
 
I’m in italics again! \o/
 
WHAAAT? Did I just +1 the @Feeds?
 
@thefourtheye yeah, my owners didn't really give me good hair cuts :(
 
May 16 at 11:54, by thefourtheye
poke alert: He just tweeted...
^That’s almost a bit worrying.
 
@poke I don't know if you've ever used Trello but we've got an sopython Trello board here. I can add you as an admin of it as we also have a Private RO board to list random things, jokes about @Games mainly.
 
12:37 PM
@JonClements Oh, you must have been a naughty puppy...
 
@Ffisegydd I’m “poke” on Trello
 
Hey, Slack is cool
Never used it before
 
@poke he he he, we were hunting pokes for the RO meeting...
 
cabbage everybody
 
Btw. I’m a bit surprised how everyone was constantly surprised to see an answer of mine on SO… I never stopped answering <_<
 
12:39 PM
@poke awesome. I've added you as an admin of the organisation and added you specially to the RO board.
 
@poke wb :)
 
test
 
@Ffisegydd rolls eyes :P
 
@Games ^_^
 
Has anybody here watched Coupling?
 
12:48 PM
nope, link?
 
@thefourtheye LONG ago yeah
 
Jun 25 at 18:50, by Jon Clements
@Zero since poke hasn't shown his head for a bit, they're very nice in a soup as well
^ I’m very disappointed @Jon.
 
@poke I can live with it :)
 
user559633
Oh wow, it's @poke. cg poke
 
Cabbage tristan :)
 
12:51 PM
@RobertGrant Did you like it?
 
I tried watching Coupling once but couldn’t get myself to continue…
 
user559633
you were defending your dissertation or something equally impressive, right?
 
@thefourtheye so like friends?
 
@tristan To not disappoint you, I’m just not going to answer that question xD
 
12:53 PM
@GamesBrainiac but it is only about sex and stuff
 
user559633
Fair enough @poke, I hope your re-integration into society goes well.
 
xD
 
@tristan pssstt he was taking pictures or wabbits :P
 
@tristan "society"? I've heard rumours of that - what is it?
 
Its us, puppy, its us...
 
user559633
12:55 PM
it's some highfalutin gatherin of people that read books
 
why books?
 
Ahh books... they seem tasty...
 
they got all these pages
 
The good ones even have chapters I heard.
 
need to make a call that's gonna cost me £7 a minute - that's fine
 
1:02 PM
Weird that the "converting a timestamp" question went unanswered for ten minutes, when it's effectively "how do I print a float so it has three numbers after the decimal point?"
Maybe it's one of those situations where everyone thinks "I won't try to compose an answer because someone will beat me to it"
Nope, it was the second possibility: I misread the question and the problem is more difficult than I thought.
 
s/someone/Martijn/
 
Hmm, to delete my post, or hastily edit in a hacky solution...
 
was at the pub, so I wasn't there to do anything.
 
I could tell him to do str(int(seconds)) + "." + timestring[-3:], but I think I'll just abandon post
 
@thefourtheye yeah it's quite funny, like a British, slightly ruder version of Friends
 
1:08 PM
Ya even I felt like that only
 
I think I watched it about 10 years ago; not sure what I'd think of it now :)
As in, genuinely can't remember it well enough to know what I'd think now
 
cabbage @AnttiHaapala
 
cbg
 
Cabbage @Veedrac
 
1:15 PM
@Kevin I've answered now instead.
 
I think I would have had a better shot of understanding that question the first time around if the OP had actually said what his literal expected output was rather than "1410748201.XXX"
Had those X's been "117" instead, I wouldn't have assumed it was just an output formatting question
 
@Kevin I've edited the post to communicate that better.
 
I appreciate your diligence :-)
Hey, the guy who asked two questions in one post has discovered that one of his problems can no longer be replicated. Now he's effectively down to one question again. Convenient!
well, zero questions, after his self-deletion. I guess he's satisfied.
 
1:52 PM
I should totally create a query that takes the ratio of Illimunator-qualifying answers vs. total answers into account.
marc_s would rule that table.
7.6k answers, 2.1k Illuminator answers.
I may have 2.3k Illuminator answers, but that's out of 11.1k total.
BalusC ratio is lower still.
It'll also drop Jon Skeet down even further...
 
I’m so far away from that badge..
I think the reason is that I edit a question, and by the time I’m done, you Martijn answered it already…
 
Same
I guess editing and answering are mutually exclusive options for me.
 
This user has got the badge for 49.2% of his answers.
 
But he’s doing Perl.
Perl doesn’t have a Martijn answering everything.
:D
 
What's the most "pythonic" way to handle centralized libraries? I want to write a database abstraction library for my application, but both the client and server (that run on the same host despite the name) need to have access to it.
 
"Spoon" is a weird word. That is all.
 
Wow, John Skeet is last in that query.
meaning the only reason he got that badge by sheer force of number of answers.
 
Lost a little bit of faith in humanity there...
 
Since any question that Jon Skeet answers is destined for greatness, they start out perfectly formed and therefore there is no opportunity to edit them.
 
While I'm sure you're all in love with this Skeet fellow, what about my quick question?
 
2:12 PM
Only 2% of his answers qualified him for the badge..
@Soviero make it a package and install it in both locations?
e.g. a separate installable python package distribution with a setup.py.
 
@MartijnPieters you love doing requests on stackexchange database, don't you ?
 
@MartijnPieters I thought about that, but it's the same host, and I don't want to have duplicates all over the place.
 
When I'm lazy, I just stick my modules in Python's lib directory.
 
@MartijnPieters Oh, wait, now I see what you mean. but I don't want to install it system-wide.
 
If you don't mind it being visible to all the projects you'll ever write
 
2:14 PM
@Soviero but presumably you are using virtualenvs or buildout to handle both separately.
 
@MartijnPieters I'd have to know what those are first. ;)
 
install the same package into two virtual environments or buildout-managed setups.
 
@MartijnPieters @Soviero what do you think of a symbolic links ?
 
@XavierCombelle a version control nightmare.
 
Or just add the library to your python path?
 
2:16 PM
@MartijnPieters thanks
 
Hi all
 
hi @setevoy or cabbage as they say here
 
morning
 
Is it possible to have a class Foo(db.Model): db.ReferenceProperty(Bar) and inverse ref class Bar(db.Model): db.ReferenceProperty(Foo)in different files without having to resolve circular imports somehow? :/
It feels like I've missed something in GAE docs, but I can't see another way to "refer back"
 
@setevoy you are a kind of beginner don't you ?
 
2:19 PM
@XavierCombelle how did you know? :-)
yes, I'm
(and English not my own lang)
 
@OllieFord I think you do a db.relationship with a backref in it if I understand correctly...
 
@setevoy I read your last question on stackoverflow and it looks like basic although interesting, I'm French so English is not my native language neither
@setevoy you are very welcome in python world
 
@XavierCombelle yes, I just start learn and use Python... unfortunately - in our team used Java everywhere, so I can only on Stack ask some things
 
@corvid I'm only getting SQLAlchemy results for that.. does it exist in google.appengine.ext.db too?
 
btw... one small Q, please... don't think there is sense post it on main board...
am I correct understood, that must better to avoid use Global variables (and declare them at the begin of script, as I always do in `bash`), and better set local variables inside functions? childish Q, I know, sorry...
 
2:22 PM
oh sorry, I thought you were doing SQLAlchemy
 
Oh sadly not :( Thanks though
 
no experience with google app engine
 
@setevoy Yes, "avoid global variables" is a common design principle
 
@Kevin thanks
 
I may have to move over at some point though. I was suddenly told "you are not allowed to use third party servers"
I'm going to hold out as long as possible though.
Came out of the blue, after spending ages getting something minimally viable ready in GAE (i.e. not possible to self-host without a hacky thing I found on github).. ugh
/grumble
 
2:25 PM
@setevoy it's a good question
 
math classes are annoying, they have a lot of the same concepts as computer science but with different vocabulary and notation :|
 
@corvid I don't believe they have affectation thing
 
@XavierCombelle I think will got lot "---" on main board, if will ask it ;-)
 
@setevoy it's probably already asked
 
@XavierCombelle yes, I tried look for it, but don't found, although - I done it very quick, because on work haven't lot of free time
 
@corvid math classes are annoying, they call j 'i'..
 
@Kevin thanks :-)
need today rewrite me last tool... there is about 10 global vars...
 
DSM
math class is awesome!
 
tool, which monitor system resources (RAM, CPU etc) of Java application without psutils, only top and /proc/PID/status :-(

because we can't install anything on customer server's
 
DSM
Cabbage, all.
 
2:31 PM
Morning DSM
 
Counterpoint: electrical engineering classes are annoying, they call i 'j'...
 
DSM
So do we, though..
 
See, this is what happens when you use one letter variable names. Then you can't distinguish from the imaginary part of complex numbers, and measurements of electric current.
 
I think math class is heavily dependent on the teacher... I'm taking discrete, it seems really easy
 
DSM
Besides, you can think of it like mathematicians and engineers just work on different planes. :-)
 
2:35 PM
the thing I like with mathematicians it's they are usually very smart so their conversation are usually very interesting
 
Strange, I would expect the opposite. I don't want to listen to a conversation about manifold ℝ-ℤ isomorphisms or whatever.
(I just made that up, don't google it)
 
sounds legit
 
@Kevin when they don't speak of math they have interesting conversation
 
or should I say, "sounds Real"
 
"No math? Ok, let me tell you about my model train collection..."
 
2:39 PM
:)
 
@Kevin :D
 
DSM
@Kevin: that from a guy who just went out of his way to use blackboard bold..
 
Extra fancy letters is the "here be dragons" of mathematics.
 
DSM
You know things are getting crazy when they break out the aleph.
 
user559633
is this question still relevant for python 3?
 
2:44 PM
Maybe I'm just projecting my own insecurities about my ability to hold a conversation. "let me tell you about my Magic: The Gathering collection" is an ever-present temptation.
 
@tristan in last version of python 3 you can ask directly the python allocator
 
user559633
@XavierCombelle elaborate?
 
That post is a nice example of why we close software recommendation questions. Six years later, we have no way of knowing which projects are still compatible and maintained.
 
2:49 PM
My head is all explodey with too much science.
 
DSM
I wondered about the shape.
 
it's done by a python core committer and stackoverflow member haypo who answered to a similar question stackoverflow.com/a/18625117/128629
@DSM the shape of what ?
 
The shape of his head.
 
user559633
awesome, thank you @XavierCombelle
 
It's rather footbally.
 
DSM
2:55 PM
This is what happens when you do too much science without a helmet. There's a reason I started watching Japanese TV toward the end of my thesis: to relieve the pressure.
 
@DSM what was the subject of your thesis? (or a link to it)
 
Actual science is too much work. You guys should become science groupies, like me. Yay science! Mars probes and hypoallergenic glow in the dark pets!
 
DSM
@Xavier: I looked at the effects of Type I migration (a certain kind of interaction between planetesimals and the gas disk they're embedded in) on our models of terrestrial planet formation. Basically, how can you build an Earth if everything you try to build wants to fall into the Sun?
 
No need to write grant proposals or calculate statistical regressions. Just take this "go science" flag and wave it around enthusiastically.
 
@DSM looks interesting
 

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