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12:07 AM
@TinyGiant Lovin' it. Although "Man Hole" would have worked.
 
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@Mogsdad Lolz
 
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@Mogsdad I attacked the RegEx's
 
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Also, I figured out why some code was not being omitted.
 
@TinyGiant Test fac?
 
12:31 AM
@rene There's been a new question, picked it up with the monitor.
 
12:46 AM
> Mitch Wheat, Jim Garrison, TAsk, Dennis Meng, Glen Thomas, Tiny Giant, Mogsdad! Who do you think you are? The kings on stack overflow?
@TinyGiant It's nice to be famous!
 
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@Mogsdad I know right?
 
@shog9 @JonClements Are you around? Mod needed - check SmokeDetector report.
 
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Thanks.
 
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1:04 AM
@Jon there's another one. ^^^
 
The user is suspended - so shouldn't be getting any more gip from them
 
user4639281
Cool thanks.
 
user4639281
^^^ ?
 
1:58 AM
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
 
server upgrades, back soon
 
 
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3:51 AM
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
 
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5:24 AM
(still part of the legal cleanup, working my way down the list)
 
@KevinBrown all downvoted
 
 
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8:10 AM
@KevinBrown I put in a few dents where needed as well.
 
 
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10:43 AM
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11:04 AM
is "i am using the syntax for another language entirely like a dumbass" grounds for closing a question as a typographical error? stackoverflow.com/questions/32678470/mixins-in-bootstrap-error
 
@cimmanon (I have no idea about SASS and the like...) Maybe, but maybe their using some kind of transpiler (in addition to SASS?) where that would make sense. I think unclear would be more appropriate.
 
the question isnt unclear, they just didnt bother reading the documentation
 
Just downvote and maybe find a canonical dup for using mixins.
 
Sometimes I do wish RTFM was a close reason...
 
i dont even know what possesses people to write questions like that. "hi, i am getting a syntax error, but i am not going to check the docs to make sure the syntax is correct"
"but here, i will edit in the markup, because that is totally useful here"
this question still pisses me off, OP downvotes it because they think my answer requires rails and doesnt bother trying it at all: stackoverflow.com/a/14293382/1652962 (question should be closed for being terrible, though)
 
11:15 AM
^ also, I'm 40% sure the answer is wrong
 
@Unihedron which answer? mine?
 
 
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12:58 PM
livestreaming ... fpu-ed
 
 
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2:10 PM
@Closey alive?
 
@rene I'm not dead yet!
 
2:24 PM
@Closey starting
 
@durron597 Don't get lost in the queue!
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[scrape] [scraper] [screen-scraping]"
passed java audit
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There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[code-smell]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[sources]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[web-scraping]"
@Closey end session
 
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@Closey last session edit count 20
 
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3:09 PM
@ArtjomB. Voted and downvoted
 
 
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4:26 PM
I agree and will move it to a comment once I have sufficient reputation. I'm happy to get help moving it to a comment as well if possible. — Mark Spielman 1 hour ago
 
4:39 PM
@vaultah kaboom
 
ta
 
@Deduplicator that one has a reopen vote on it ><
 
@cimmanon Yes, already saw it. I wonder who that was and what they thought...
 
^ why this guy wants to generate 30 media queries is beyond me ><
 
because media queries are the next cool thing, I heard, and my site needs to be cool... with 30 of those I'll be super cool!
 
4:51 PM
@rene So cool his site will freeze to death
 
Maybe we should ask if they are sure about those 30....
 
I agree with you; this doesn't seem to imply that this question and the relative answer couldn't be useful to someone else, and are to be trashed. — Alessandro Flati 2 mins ago
 
 
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6:56 PM
(Can we share VLQ flags here?)
 
@Kyll No, but I see you sneaked one in...
@Kyll the room is open for asking advice but we don't allow vlq or naa requests to prevent to much mobbing
 
@Kyll: I think that's a valid answer, and it should be kept until the bounty has ended so that the question can be closed appropriately.
 
should this be closed as opinionated? it looks borderline to me, and its going to draw opinionated answers: stackoverflow.com/questions/32683127/…
 
7:15 PM
@cimmanon Can't the OP be more precise about the tools used, like editor, compiler/processer/linter whatever you use for that?
 
compass is pretty specific
 
So it would be more like I use notepad and then run csc file.cs but the error I get is file in usr by other process. I tried blah but that did give me foo
@cimmanon is that an ide or a command line?
 
its a command line command that is a wrapper around sass
unless theyre using compact mode which eliminates whitespace, i cant imagine what problem is arising from their diffthingie
 
Ask that in a comment and have them include the os, editor used and which diffmerge they use.
 
Is this worth an edit suggestion?
I mean, the question still looks quite messy...
 
7:23 PM
@honk I'm not sure if it is on-topic
 
evening
 
@honk it is more of an installation issue
@JonClements Hi!
 
@rene That was my second thought. Therefore the suggested edit makes even less sense...
 
Hey
 
@honk If it is new user you could edit it but make sure to explain that they need to work on that their self before reposting somewhere else and/or editing into shape
 
7:30 PM
@rene Off-topic issue aside, I thought about editing, but I'm not sure what's Hadoop vocabulary and what's bad wording. I just want to understand if a tag edit suggestion is fine even if the question is still quite a mess. Regarding the off-topic issue: Good advice, thanks!
 
you're welcome
 
@Deduplicator (and 2 others) accepted that suggested edit, so I think it was ok.
Ok, need to leave. Bye!
 
bye
 
Umm..... seems a quiet evening
 
Yes, we had the spam in the morning, after that it became a quiet sunday
Hmm, I keep having intermittent connection errors with CF Amsterdam :(
 
7:42 PM
Have you tried switching it off and back on again? :p
 
No, but hold on. I'll take the next train, give or take 60 minutes and I should be able to have it recycled...
 
Why would you accept a language edit from someone who can't even formulate an understandable edit summary...
 
Looks like it got rejected
 
@NisseEngström that is an easy 2+ ....
 
7:58 PM
@honk I approved removing the tag because it didn't apply and improving the body seemed really hard and maybe not worthwhile (pending investigation, whenever I'm too bored).
 
@rene Thanks for the info, I wasn't sure about it
 
Me neither, we are working on an improved room charter...
Until that is finished the rules depend on my intake of coffee
 
I am still not sure about the whole point of this room, nor the ethics and implications of our actions
 
Say, am I wrong or does the tag-wiki and excerpt for neither describe how it's used, nor how one would expect it to be used?
 
@Deduplicator Non-native here, can "blur" mean anything else than "make something kinda hard to see"?
 
8:09 PM
@Kyll It was clear until we started burninating, cv-pls, delv-pls etc. We are going to re-invent our self, until that the shop is open...
 
@Kyll Well, JS has a "blur"-event which gets fired on loosing focus...
 
@Kyll In web development, "blur" is a JavaScript event meaning loosing focus
 
I know but that seems an extremely specific use of such a broad word
It would be like "focus" or even "change"
@rene Sometimes it kinda feels like this room is taking the burden of what should be the community's
 
> This tag is [blur]ry?
 
8:13 PM
@Kyll very. I'll doctor the tag-wiki then...
 
@Kyll sure, but it shouldn't be a burden. We organize our self around some topics to make moderation worthwhile and lasting. Without this room some individuals might have given up long ago...
 
I probably would =|
And I have started like two days ago
 
We are still part of the community but we have a slightly different approach
 
Somewhat of a militia approach?
 
@Kyll I know I did leave close vote reviewing for a while because I had that same feelimg
 
8:17 PM
@rene Well the real part where I was about to just quit was when I reviewed Triage. After reading some topics on Meta and realizing what should and what shouldn't be "Unsalvageable", and seeing the amount of disputed flags I ended up with...
 
@Kyll yeah, well. I try to formulate using words that don't lead back or are synonymous with mob or group or team or organized crime ....
@Kyll Yeah Triage is I think great for new users. It wasn't/isn't so great for the community that handled that queue
@Kyll I never had to use close flags on triage but that was basically what I always wanted to choose. And close votes don't get disputed
 
@rene Should have started Triage when I was 3k then! =p
 
Yeah, that would have helped ;)
 
@Kyll I cannot review many triage-questions in one go. Too draining, and I don't raise any flags there due to my rep!
 
Well, I'm not going to grumble if less flags are raised :p
 
8:23 PM
@Deduplicator That was the only review I had access to! The two other ones, First posts and Late answers are always almost empty
 
@Kyll I manage to review the max 20 first posts every day without too much trouble. But the Late Answers review is almost always empty yes
But it's incredible how much CV I use during this review
 
Yeah, that is also true. If you handle all queues you simply don't have enough close votes per day
 
@rene So, any plan for this reinvention?
 
Yeah, @gunr2171 @durron597 and myself are working on an update of the FAQ. We are going to include some rules for Room Owners. One change is already effective, we don't want to handle NAA's any more.
We are basically looking for ways to prevent that the room is seen as a voting ring or mob. The focus is going to be on the posts, not on users.
I really like how vibrant this room is now but I have always been afraid of the power it can unleash.
 
@rene and if you need any help in this "re-invention" - I'm about :)
 
8:36 PM
Yep, I have hammered down an initial draft and gunr takes it from there. You can expect to be asked for a review.
Oh, and I had a chat in the python room about their RO rules and room charter
 
@JonClements I wonder, since SO is probably on the lookout for voting rings and the like, is that a reason for your awesome presence around?
So that this kind of place does not spin out of control?
 
@rene Oh? Must have been trying to catch up on sleep or something and missed it
 
@JonClements sleep .... over valued ...
 
@rene anyway... how'd it go?
 
It was useful, I got some ideas. But I hoped to find RO rules (a theory of room owner ship basically). I'm afraid I have to write that my self.
 
8:41 PM
@Kyll nope... not really
@rene well - they should be specific to each room
 
@JonClements Ah. Okay then ^.^
 
@Kyll we keep @JonClements under the control.. but don't tell him...
 
@rene zipping mouth
 
@JonClements yeah, agree on that.
 
like I said - I'm about - so will be happy to review them if you want me to... I think it was a productive meeting as it were
 
8:45 PM
sure was
 
@Jon: Just tried to propose the synonym => again, getting error: "Reverse synonym already proposed on the tag makefiles"
Do you see anything with your mod-powers, or should I add a bug-report on meta?
 
@Deduplicator will have a quick look
 
btw: makefiles is a synonym of makefile
 
Is saying IE is crap considered offensive?
 
syns are funny beasts
 
8:48 PM
@Tunaki Evoking IE in a sentence is an offense to web devs worldwide yes
 
@Kyll Aha, nice
 
@Deduplicator What exactly are you trying to do? Logic behind it etc...?
 
@Tunaki i wouldnt say offensive, but thats not really an answer
 
@Closey starting
 
@rene Good luck!
 
8:51 PM
Well I flagged it as VLQ
 
looks like that question can be closed as a duplicate, though it should have been closed with the no mcve
 
@Tunaki It's a shared opinion!
 
@JonClements Well, there was once (less than a month ago) a synonym proposed in the opposite direction. And while I concurr that there's no useful difference tagging-wise on SO between them, nor should/could be, I much preferred the reverse. So I downvoted it and then tried to propose the right direction. No luck then, nor now.
 
@Kyll sadly, the latest version of IE is better than Firefox
firefox & safari are the new "shit browsers"
 
@cimmanon You mean IE11?
 
8:53 PM
I think he means Edge
 
@Tunaki Yeah but is Edge still IE or some new brand?
 
IE11 is great!
 
@Kyll it's supposed to be IE reborn
 
@Kyll Well, it isn't IE, if you trust MS.
 
pretty sure it is a complete rewrite
 
8:54 PM
@Tunaki It's supposed to be "Please forget about all the crap tornado we did for 15 years" I think
 
@cimmanon In a few words (otherwise we're really going to spam here), on what fronts? Performances, ergonomics, ..?
 
So how does fit into that picture @Deduplicator?
 
Maybe this calls for a meta post: are answers saying "this is crap" answers?
 
@Tunaki Meh, they're not. It stands on the same foot as the product promotion one: If the post can't stand without it, then it's VLQ or NAA, and if it can then it probably doesn't need it anyway
 
8:58 PM
@JonClements Well, not sure. Maybe the synonym makefiles => makefile screwed up the deletion of the synonym-proposal make => makefile, and that's fallout.
 
Wonder if I can access historic stuff
 
@JonClements That's also all sede reports: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/366703
 
same info I have (except minus a couple of bits)
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [screen-scraping] [scrape] [web-scraping]"
 
Good to know, I will try to put more items into the queue in the next two days for
 
9:08 PM
passed woocommerce audit
@ArtjomB. You can check closey's completed tags as well
@Closey completed tags
 
@rene Showing the latest 10 tags that have been cleared by at least 3 people. To give a different threshold number, use the command completed tags [min <#>].
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 | scrape             | 5     | 2015-09-20 21:05:59 UTC |
 | screen-scraping    | 3     | 2015-09-20 21:05:59 UTC |
 | sources            | 3     | 2015-09-20 14:28:08 UTC |
 | third-party        | 5     | 2015-09-20 14:27:14 UTC |
 | scraper            | 5     | 2015-09-20 14:25:32 UTC |
 | forms              | 7     | 2015-09-15 00:34:26 UTC |
 | google-apps-script | 5     | 2015-09-15 00:30:21 UTC |
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [third-party] [exclude] [sources]"
 
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 2 hours.
 
@rene The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
 
9:17 PM
@Closey last session edit count 38
 
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Start Time: 2015-09-20 20:51:24 UTC
End Time: 2015-09-20 21:17:33 UTC
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@Closey last session count
 
@rene Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@Deduplicator okie dokie
 
@Closey last session stats
 
9:18 PM
@rene Your last completed review session ended 50 seconds ago and lasted 26 minutes and 8 seconds. You reviewed 38 items, averaging a review every 41 seconds.
 
9:42 PM
I'm out, need sleep. Keep the place clean people...
 
sleep well @rene
 
Hate to be picky, but this isn't actually answering the question. Remember that Stack Overflow is primarily for future visitors having the same problem. IMHO you should answer the OP's question anyway, but keep the bit about this approach is bad because.... — cybermonkey 1 min ago
am I correct in saying that?
any future visitor asking the same question will be disappointed in that answer IMHO, even if the answer does advise against it.
 
@cybermonkey I think it is the most useful answer to that question. Another would be "you have to design your site better for small screens!", but that's just too confrontational.
 
close this room
 
@ArtjomB. yeah, but as I said, there's always an edge case where such a feature is required
for example a mobile browser game
also, updated the comment:
Hate to be picky, but this isn't actually answering the question. Remember that Stack Overflow is primarily for future visitors having the same problem. You should answer the OP's question anyway, but keep the bit about this approach is bad because.... Any future visitor would be disappointed, and remember that there could be an edge case where such a feature could be used. — cybermonkey 7 mins ago
 
9:52 PM
In that case, the question should be closed, because we really don't want to guess why it doesn't fit. The answer is not the problem here.
On the other hand maybe the zoom can be adjusted, but that's still guessing.
Sometimes an answer is a negative answer, either because the question didn't provide enough information or it is flat out impossible in all cases.
 
@ArtjomB. I know that, but the answer isn't that useful to future readers.
 
Anyone know anything about Symphony 2.3?
 
I know it's a PHP thing
 
@Kyll What do you think about this approved edit?
 
The editor has quite the sense of humour
According to Wikipédia the edit is right
Isn't the question lacking an MCVE and closable as such?
 
10:09 PM
There's both Symphony (CMS) and Symfony (WebDev framework)
I think the edit is wrong.
 
@ArtjomB. I'm thinking it should be unrolled, but I have no idea what's what.
 
@ArtjomB. Wait, really? Woah.
 
@Kyll Yeah, they're both for PHP
 
@ArtjomB. To make things less confusing uh
According to the tag the edit is thus wrong
Rolling back
Oh wait
Unless the tag is wrong too
Okay the error settles it
 
Symphony 2.3 was released on May 29, 2012 which makes sense for the question
 
10:14 PM
@ArtjomB. Why not?
Question is from a few months later
 
The same version for Symfony was a year later
 
Okay I read "makes no sense"
never mind me
 
@Kyll Not too broad, but pob fits, because it's not defined in the specification as seen in the duplicate
 
@ArtjomB. Aren't the fourth and fifth questions too broad?
 
I think it's all the same question repeated multiple times with other words.
 
10:28 PM
@Kyll Oh, are we back on topic now? I don't see "asking for external resource"...
 
... "How do meta keywords work"?
> I've done some research but couldn't find any documentation or information about how the contents of keywords meta tag should be?
That kinda sounded like "feed me the docs", but yep weak one
 
@Kyll how you liking having 3k+?
 
@JonClements So much more things to learn *.*
 
It was cheating. Kyll is not ready yet ;)
 
Also pretty happy to be around here since I often feel like I'm not exactly on track with what should be done
@ArtjomB. Not my fault! =p
 
10:32 PM
Cheating hey? I don't have to add another to my delete list tonight do I? :p
 
No, of course not.
 
@ArtjomB. Also why I'm here btw
 
(Was kinda hoping that'd come across as my normal (-ly bad sense of) humour....
 
@JonClements Do false reports count as getting added to the delete list? =p
 
@Kyll you need to get to 10k... deleted posts and all that
 
10:34 PM
@JonClements I thought we were speaking deleting people
 
Deleting people from existence, but they're still coming back. SO has a massive zombie infestation.
 
@ArtjomB. well if you notice that - flag 'em
 
@ArtjomB. Wait we're talking about now again? I'm confused
 
@JonClements I'm currently cleaning up for synonymization into . There are not that many people that can vote on the synonym. The last time I tried to speed up the process, nobody came to my chat room :( and nothing happened a long time. Can I ping you for synonymization/merging when the cleanup is done?
 
@ArtjomB. Try it - if I don't respond - don't take it as an insult or ignoring you though
 
10:45 PM
Ok, thanks
 
@ArtjomB. what's the plan you're working with?
editing so that everything all you've done means that scrape can go into web-scraping?
 
@JonClements I'm going through every question in order to close bad stuff and retag everything that is not to their corresponding tags such as , so that it would be a clean synonym.
 
got ya
edit the appropriate meta post and give us a ping then - no worries
 
will do when ready
 
Make it clear in the edit of that metapost what you'd like in case I'm not around etc...
Then others can also review it, check they're happy, get some feedback etc...
 

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