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1:54 AM
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3:27 AM
@Closey starting
 
@durron597 May the Vote be with you!
 
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@Mogsdad I skipped four audits lol
 
 
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8:19 AM
@Kyll I would say borderline -> no, it is more a whiteboard design question, might fit on programmers.se. However, the answerer perfectly understand how to write great answers, so it has value. I would keep the question.
@misterManSam voted
 
8:41 AM
I'm all out of close votes already /-:
@durron597 I have started to skip the audits systematically as well -- they don't make much sense
though I actually passed one today
 
 
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10:09 AM
Does anyone understand this, and if so is an edit possible? I am not sure what OP's issue is there
 
@Kyll you didn't provide a link I assume ...
 
cough
 
left a comment
no idea what the issue is, but in Oracle Forms anything goes..
 
> Using a library for this is counter-productive
Said no Java beginner ever
 
10:27 AM
@Kyll It's like we should use a library for everything. Next someone will ask if there's a library to ease the writing of i++;
 
@Tunaki i = new IncrementBuilderFactory(new IncrementBuilderConfig(null, null, 0)).buildIncrement(new IncrementConfig(null)).increment(i);
 
10:53 AM
Mod flagging this user
 
yeah, keeping an eye on it now..
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 48 secs ago, by Infinite Recursion
and a custom flag for these 3 destructive edits
 
Wait he got a badge?
Lol, editor
Yeep.
When the question is so basic it is answered in pretty much every tutorial and written clearly in the docs because it is a very very basic thing to do, should it be closed?
 
@Kyll Answer fast and first and hope to get a lot of rep, of course :)
 
@Tunaki One of the reason I struggle to get rep is that I don't x)
 
@Kyll I would close it as no MCVE
 
10:59 AM
@rene Good idea
 
> it is an optical illusion, not a real problem.
nice
 
I want to know if the "modular approach" is some Prestashop jargon or the design pattern
 
@Kyll I can't help with that ....
 
AWA
Where could I find admin?
 
11:15 AM
@AWA what do you mean?
 
AWA
@rene I need to ask about my ban. There's no good reason - only few question with negative score & my question-answer ratio is pretty good for beginner programmer. What should I do now? Beg those who answered my questions with negative score that they delete answer so that I can delete my question?
 
@AWA We can't help with that. All you need to know is here. The ban is automatic and can't be reversed AFAIK.
deleting questions is not going to help btw.
 
AWA
There goes my account then..
 
@AWA Bad idea, mods have tools to trace new accounts from banned users
 
AWA
@Kyll I didn't mean to do a new one, just find a new community if there is some. Just got into the reputation "stuff" & finally figured out programming so I started answering. But now.. BAM Ban. :D
 
11:26 AM
@AWA So have you understood why you are banned from @rene's link?
 
AWA
@Kyll I think so. I've currently got 3 questions with negative score, I've also deleted few in the past which didn't recive answer. Still.. Ratio with my overall questions in not that big. Not very hard to get the ban I guess.
 
@AWA I went over some of your questions and you could try to use less formatting. All the bolding hurts my eyes.
 
From the post,
> Before you do anything else, fix your existing posts!
 
AWA
@rene I guess that doesn't matter anymore. I'll try to fix some of that before I log out if someone reads them in future.
 
For example this one. Why didn't you add a stack snippet or jsfiddle so you didn't need the meta noise about all the research you did.
 
11:34 AM
@SmokeDetector kaboom, spam
 
@durron597 Be careful with that now... in the last push there lots of questions that weren't edited by Paul or I.
 
12:18 PM
afternoon all
 
12:28 PM
> This question is off-topic for Stack Overflow as it is too broad, and potentially off-topic.
What?
 
@Kyll it is asking for software support, not a programming problem
 
@cimmanon Yes but the phrasing of @cybermonkey's comment is weird
 
@Kyll I'm unsure whether it's on-topic as it isn't that clear what's being asked, thus I said potentially. It is however, too broad.
@Kyll better?
This question is off-topic for Stack Overflow as it is too broad. The Google Apps for Education technical support rep was also wrong to send you here. — cybermonkey 9 secs ago
 
@cybermonkey Way better yep ^.^
 
morning!
 
12:40 PM
@gunr2171 Arriving right after spam heh? Plop!
 
oh, i guess so
 
'morning all
 
hey
 
hello :)
 
@JonClements Seems the synonym from makefiles to makefile gets in the way of creating the synonym from makefile to make. So, that means it needs a mod (like you) to break the singular-plural synonym to make that synonym...
 
12:46 PM
anyone know of a good meta post for explaining what the "roomba" is (need for documentation)?
crap question, not spam
 
^^ this
@gunr2171 It's helpful that the OP took the time to tell use exactly what number represents 2 gigs. hahah
 
@LynnCrumbling tell that to hard drive manufacturers
and question gone
 
<grin>
 
wow, self deleted with no close votes
 
it was @ -5 last time I saw it, though.
 
12:50 PM
yep
 
and the OP had > 700 rep ... clearly wanted to keep that.
 
well, for the roomba thing, this is the best I can find:
104
Q: Turbocharging the Roomba: solutions for premature deletion

Shog9A couple weeks ago, I asked for help: How can we stop premature deletion? And I got some fantastic responses. A big thanks to everyone who participated in that discussion - you're the reason I don't completely hate Meta Stack Overflow. The big takeaways from that discussion were: Show users t...

 
1:20 PM
One last close vote for this typo? ... and maybe a downvote on the accepted answer to bring it to 0 for the roomba? I already had a typo comment up before all the answers, so they are the definition of not useful. -- stackoverflow.com/q/32688924/2930477
 
@durron597 and @rene, I just made a big set of changes to the RO guidelines (and I took rene's writeup) github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SCVR-RoomInformation/blob/…
 
...reading...
 
@Mogsdad I know that, they were all actual audits
@AWA If your questions are poorly received, the right thing to do with these questions is improve via edit, not delete
@rene @gunr2171 I think I'm going to start moving cv-pls to the trash can once they're boomed.
 
@misterManSam this is my favorite answer to that question: stackoverflow.com/a/32689513/1652962
 
that's a lot of work, but I'm ok with that
 
1:32 PM
I think that will prevent the chat log being 50% cv-pls as the room grows
not historically
just as I see them
 
> someone else already gave this answer, so i am going to post it again, just in case you didnt see it the first time
 
(I'd say make a bot to do that, but no way i'm giving a bot RO powers)
 
@gunr2171 I think we need to have something when you object to a decision, for both the RO's vs room members and community vs room
I think best option is to simply say so in the room, but it better be explicit
 
@durron597 also remember that each time you do that you invite the person to the trash can room
@rene sure, want to add that?
 
@cimmanon - yeah! as soon as I saw the typo I knew it was going to be a magnet for bad answers.
 
1:35 PM
@rene Sometimes we're going to disagree with each other, too
 
@durron597 Couldn't a bot do that?
 
@Kyll I suppose. Bot would have to be RO.
 
@durron597 sure, but there are three of us active so a majority vote will work
 
4 mins ago, by gunr2171
(I'd say make a bot to do that, but no way i'm giving a bot RO powers)
 
@gunr2171 Why not?
 
1:37 PM
@durron597 RO standing for Room Owner? Sounds like way too much power to give a thing which could go sentient and rampaging
 
^ that, mostly
 
@Kyll You guys watch too many Terminator movies.
 
^ that, too
 
Yesh.
Maybe there's another way, what about not using the room but instead an external server for ?
 
I think the python room does that
 
1:39 PM
php also
 
or, we could use a hashtag?
 
That would mean removing all from here and keep the room focused on discussions and the weekly events
I don't use Twitter =|
 
@Kyll that is really the goal of the chat room. The problem is this is the best place to post [cv-pls] requests. Everyone is already here.
 
Yeah, even as the cv-pls might litter the transcript we need to keep it in the open.
it is part of being transparent
 
1:42 PM
@gunr2171 Well, here's the deal: Change the userscript we mostly use to send high-quality to target an external server, and write another userscript to show them in this room in a side-bar or whatever
 
@rene I agree, that's why I decided to make a new room that isn't just the trash can
so they aren't mixed with garbage from other rooms for other reasons
 
@durron597 yeah, good idea
 
@rene Make this server open to fetching requests to keep the transparency
 
@Kyll hum...that would be a good idea. it would require people to install it, but that's not too hard
 
In fact, moving completed requests to a separate room actually increases transparency, because it's easier to search, there is no noise
 
1:44 PM
@durron597 Even more so with a dedicated server!
 
@Kyll But we can't delete messages, we can only move them to other chatrooms
I would approve of your idea if we didn't need a moderator to get them out of our chat log
@TinyGiant You around?
 
@durron597 You mean, to clean the existing logs?
 
The userscript itself could register with a new server
 
55 secs ago, by durron597
I would approve of your idea if we didn't need a moderator to get them out of our chat log
That's my only hesitation, room owners aren't always around and CV requests come at all times of day
 
brb
 
1:45 PM
@SmokeDetector Rollbacked, mod-flagged
 
@KevinBrown I think it's a clear improvement over the current situation
hmmm, should we also move actioned smokey messages?
i'm torn about that one.
 
@durron597 Actioned, you mean the !/report thing?
 
@Kyll I mean, I've rolled back that post, so now it's "actioned"
spam deletion on a post would also be considered "actioned"
 
@durron597 Oh, I see. That means even more work, particularly since in the morning (4am to 9am GMT) pretty much no RO is around I think
 
@Kyll I know.
 
1:48 PM
It would be particularly boring to have to check all these SD reports then move them
 
oh, we might want to read through this (maybe add some stuff to the faq)
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Q: Remove cv-pls tag from chat rooms

jwwThis is probably going going to be controversial, but I'd like to suggest that the cv-pls (and similar tags) be removed from the chat rooms. I think the tag has the potential to encourage less than desirable behavior. There are a few reasons for the suggestion. Some of the sites on the Stack Ex...

 
> The actions the tag generates are largely superfluous.
I think I disagree with some of the words on this, I keep reading
 
41
A: Close vote seeding in PHP chat getting out of hand?

Shog9I support the use of chat to coordinate close-voting wholeheartedly - one of the down-sides of the vote-to-close system has always been that questions often don't get closed or re-opened quickly enough. I used IRC for this purpose before chat.SE launched, and chat.SE, with oneboxing and transcrip...

 
that too
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 50 secs ago, by Cupcake
Out of curiosity, why does Jon Clements moderate in the Lounge now? Is that something new? I haven't been in touch with most things meta-related for about a year. I know BoltClock hangs out there occasionally, but that's because he likes to, not because he's moderating there.
 
2:01 PM
ugh, i got a user who is bumping old zurb-foundation questions with crappy non-answers ><
 
@cimmanon Mod flag him?
Well, I guess if he has posted multiple NAA in a short time he's going to be in trouble anyway...
 
yeah, his new answers have all been deleted so far
 
@rene Your vote closed it?
Race condition?
 
@Kyll I saw it in the tavern
the tool request is still open
 
Wait wrong reply - There we go
Thus, no
Let me just crawl over there
And stop speaking words
 
2:06 PM
@Kyll no
@Kyll OK
 
2:26 PM
Anyone here know ruby?
 
user4639281
@durron597 boom
 
user4639281
@durron597 am now.
 
@TinyGiant We were talking earlier about archiving CV requests for transparency
 
user4639281
I could make the script forward them to an archive room.
 
I'm wondering about making the userscript record somewhere
I do think we should think about it more before acting
 
user4639281
2:40 PM
Or anywhere for that matter, if we had a script set up on a webserver.
 
I just wanted you in the conversation
 
afternoon all
 
user4639281
I've been thinking about that from the start but I figured the response would be "Meh, moar magick?"
 
@JonClements sup, they were talking about you in tavern on the meta
 
saw that - no worries :)
 
2:41 PM
@TinyGiant Well the big thing in my mind is that not everyone uses the script
 
user4639281
@JonClements Ello guvnah.
 
user4639281
@durron597 That's the thing too.
 
maybe we could just build it into closey to parse our messages
well, actually, Andy already does that
 
user4639281
We could fork zephyr
 
word up / yo' or something? :)
 
user4639281
2:42 PM
lol
 
nah, I think this is a non problem. The real problem is cleaning these things out of our logs
 
user4639281
Well, could write a bot, but it would have to run on an owner account
 
user4639281
Basically when someone responds to a cv-pls message with boom it would bin it.
 
@TinyGiant I'd only support that if it were open source (not too worried about that) and run on an RO's server (more concerned)
 
user4639281
It could run on whatever server you want, probably rene's
 
2:44 PM
@TinyGiant well, it should check. plus it don't think it should do them one at a time, because that doesn't shrink the size of the logs
I think it shouldn't depend on people saying boom either, because then our logs will be full of mysterious booms
 
user4639281
Well.... is the real problem that we aren't using the LQP HQ to its fullest?
 
user4639281
@durron597 Bin the booms too
 
user4639281
Anyway, I'll be back in half an hour.
 
I think it should check to see if the post starts with and then like once an hour purge all the ones that are actually closed
okay
In other news, I've had a pending flag on MSE for a week and a half
 
3:02 PM
@SmokeDetector fp- but it is a tool request
 
Somebody made a thing.
Just last week.
Synonymize or remove?
 
@gunr2171 @durron597 slightly edited the ro guideline
 
@approxiblue Did you read the tag wiki?
 
"What is the best tutorial for learn regex in c#?" seems like an easy catch for a bot
 
@Kyll Nope, it's for spam / offensive / gibberish only
 
3:16 PM
@durron597 Okay then
 
that's why we've been FPing a ton of really crappy stuff
14 mins ago, by durron597
@SmokeDetector fp- but it is a tool request
 
@approxiblue Synonymize to what?
 
@durron597 yes
 
@approxiblue It can too easily be misread as "native JS" or "JS without extensions" which it is not according to the tag wiki, a better tag would obviously be
 
3:18 PM
@approxiblue The thing is, there's actually an idiot who named their framework Vanilla JS... it's not just JS.
 
@Siguza No
 
@Siguza ^^^ this
 
That's not aframework
it's a joke
it's literally js
 
@approxiblue This is all over again...
 
> check out the Vanilla JS documentation
 
3:19 PM
@approxiblue ohhhhhhhhh
 
which is a link to MDN
 
Is having a tag as a joke acceptable?
 
@Kyll no
 
honestly...
 
Created just last week
 
3:20 PM
dude...
 
Burn it then
 
(it's hilarious I must admit)
 
@Kyll already done.
 
has apending edit
 
@Tunaki Last question will go away tonight, the tag itself should be gone tomorrow night
 
3:28 PM
@durron597 Yeah, I saw, great news
 
user4639281
@durron597 Me and @Mogsdad were talking about something along those lines, without the actual purging part.
 
@Unihedron Needs one more
closed ^
 
Spectacular.
Thanks!
 
user4639281
@Siguza Vanilla JS isn't actually a framework, its a play on frameworks. Read the docs and you see it is just using native DOM API methods.
 
@TinyGiant Yeah, I realized that 16 minutes ago...
 
user4639281
3:36 PM
Just got that now. lol
 
@Kyll mine and kyll's need one more each
 
@durron597 done
 
@durron597 A bot need not be a RO to delete posts that it made, within the editing limit time. So maybe we have cv-pls to to another room, kinda like the "Burned tag monitor" experiment, and have the bot duplicate them here for just a couple of minutes before deleting them. The transcript here would end up with lots of "post deleted" messages... which a RO could more easily remove. Transparency would be maintained by the cv-pls room.
 
@Mogsdad I don't want the requests in another room, and it won't be within the editing limit time because we are still waiting on a 5th vote to kyll's request, for example.
 
3:51 PM
@durron597 No need to wait for it to go boom. That's what the other room would be for.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad But, the point of cv-pls requests being in this room in the first place is visibility.
 
@Mogsdad I don't want the requests in another room because no one will go in there.
@TinyGiant ^^^ this
 
user4639281
Look at the LQP HQ, there is an amazing amount of crap reported there, but no one in the room most of the time.
 
@durron597 Thing is, it's not that hard to monitor action in multiple rooms.
 
user4639281
@ArtjomB. typo
 
user4639281
4:02 PM
No, you're right
 
user4639281
It's a collection of typos.
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant should probably exclude
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
@SmokeDetector fp- nike
 
4:37 PM
80
Q: What is q=0.5 in Accept* HTTP headers?

kolyptoAccept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8 Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 What do these 'q=%f' mean?

 
user4639281
Wait, are they just really old and Stack Exchange actually put a Q: there originally?
 
user4639281
wtf, some are from 2014
 
user4639281
Q on the search page but none in the title on the question............
 
@TinyGiant Yeah it's always been that.
3
Q: Q. Android GPS location

JordanI'm trying to access my GPS location of my device, so I can then use this to load Google maps on the user's coordinates. I have followed various guides, but I dont seem to be acquiring any correct values. The app does not crash, it simply displays a zero Here is the code for my maps activity: ...

 
@TinyGiant 104
 
user4639281
4:41 PM
But there are only 1700+ results
 
user4639281
@rene so those are the ones that actually have a Q: in the title then?
 
yes
sql never lies, unless you screw up....
 
user4639281
So.... why are there 1700+ questions that say that they have a Q: in the title when they don't?
 
I blame the elastic search being too elastic
 
user4639281
4:45 PM
Lol
 
They're not quite so easy to be closed as "unclear", but like, they never learn anything.
 
@durron597 watch out, we don't want to handle a userprofile
 
@rene I'm not requesting anything
I don't know why I put that. Just frustrated.
 
I know, just keep cool ;)
 
1 message moved to Trash can
 
5:01 PM
@Closey status
 
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 1 day, 13 hours, 9 minutes and 36 seconds.
 
user4639281
2 days ago, by durron597
2. It has the potential to inspire personal attacks on the poster, which isn't the point of this room
 
user4639281
Out of context, but applies.
 
@TinyGiant Well, now that I've hit 20k I've limited my answering of questions to some lower traffic tags
 
@rene, the RO guideline edits you made look good
 
5:04 PM
tnx
 
I think we're about ready to put into master
 
and I'm annoyed that one of these tags is flooded by constant crappy questions from one user, but I'm not sure that anything can or should be done about it.
@gunr2171 I'd like to make one pass at it
 
go for it
 
I'll try to find time soon
 
I'll also edit the Readme.md to include a link
 
5:05 PM
@rene Not yet let me make my once-over please
 
user4639281
I think.... every post should be judged based on its merits, without weight given to the user in the equation.
 
@TinyGiant I agree completely
 
@durron597 OK, ping Jon when you're done please
sorry Jon for waking you up too early...
 
Oh, and should we rename the file from "RO guidelines" to "chat member guidelines"?
or something like that?
 
user4639281
Room Regular guidelines?
 
5:10 PM
maybe
OH NO!!!! The online cv queue size graph is dead!
 
@gunr2171 Ping hichris in the tavern
 
ah, ok
 
@Deduplicator Thanks, I understand. I now see that it makes sense to quickly remove unrelated tags in order to not attract users who actually cannot help.
hi to everyone, by the way...
 
5:32 PM
hi to honk
 
hi to rene saying hi to honk
 
user4639281
5:47 PM
hi to gunner saying hi to rene saying hi to honk
 
Oh no! I stopped the train! Again!
 
user4639281
@honk less than 1k to go till you get your cv's. Hurry up!
 
user4639281
jk
 
that's actually some good progress!
 
@rene @gunr2171 My big issue with the document right now is that its purpose lacks focus. It's supposed to be "room owner guidelines" but there's a lot of other stuff in it.
 
5:50 PM
Uh oh, now my pants are down...
5
 
@durron597 that's why I suggested changing the title to focus on "behavior of members in the room" not just RO's
 
I kinda think the structure of the faq this document, etc. should be entirely restructured
This is why I've been taking so long to work on it
 
that's fine. If you think it's a large-scale change you could make a branch off of what we have, that way we can compare side by side
 
@gunr2171 Wouldn't be "etiquette" the correct term?
 
unless you already started
that would be a better word
or expectations
oh, and you're welcome for the out-of-context star
 
Sam
5:54 PM
let the starring begin
 
:D
 
Wow. My biggest success today. No wait... this month ;)
 
what, pulling down your pants?
 
Obviously ;)
 
what a mess...
 
5:56 PM
And the conversation devolves :)
 
It started with a star, how did it end up like this? It was only a star, it was only a star.
that one might have been a stretch: metrolyrics.com/mr-brightside-lyrics-the-killers.html
 
6:21 PM
@SmokeDetector new answer in that one is fine
 
omg @rene Does that script work for all the queues?
 
I think so, didn't try...
 
@rene Can you add it to the github?
 
@durron597 I'm not sure if all reviews show questions so depending to the type of queue you might be needing a questioned or an answerid
 
@rene I tried to find this in late answers, didn't work
 
6:35 PM
I wish I had posted that answer on MSE...
 
ha ha ha no rep for you!
 
@rene didn't find it with the question id either
 
OK, maybe I have a bug... or @durron597 doesn't know how to copy-paste id's....
 
@rene they're all using class="answer-hyperlink"
but you're searching on class="question-hyperlink"
 
see, that is what I was thinking
 
6:42 PM
can you use something like regex (question|answer)-hyperlink? I know very little jquery
 
@rene Awesome, thanks!
 
6:59 PM
I have the feeling I'm just making mistakes on the sugg. edits review queue. But am I really supposed to accept edits like this? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/9584932
 
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